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114974 No. 114974
Preemptively starting the thread for this week's episode.

Next to last Studio Pierrot animated episode. Mir is back next week for Beginnings part 1 and 2, Pierrot bids their farewell after the following episode.
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>> No. 114980

Werr prayed.
>> No. 114982
That's what they're really being called in LoK. Not really my favorite thing, but it's minor.
>> No. 115006
Are you implying that it would have been "movels" because that is the only way your post makes even a little sense.
>> No. 115007

Storyboard from tonight's episode.

Let's see how mad people get at Mako and Asami being friends.
>> No. 115014

PREDICTION TIME: Varrick will be working with the Agni Kais, although that's a no-brainer. Asami will crack an "Are you sure? Was it at all unclear?" joke when asking Mako about his breakup with Korra. We'll get a flashback to Asami's childhood. Grey Delisle will be voicing chibi!Asami. The dirt on Varrick will be brought to President Raiko's attention... and he'll use it to blackmail the man to stop stirring up war talk, or else it's the slammer. The episode won't feature Korra until the final few minutes, except perhaps as some sort of vision-ghost-thing for the Tenzin Clan.
>> No. 115017
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My reaction:
>> No. 115018
I was surprised by how much I enjoyed Mako as the lead in this episode. Also loved the triads.
>> No. 115019
Awesome episode.
>> No. 115020
That was real neato until amnesia. Like; fucking seriously?
>> No. 115021
I guess getting eaten be a spirit does that to you.
>> No. 115022
is someone going to make a picture of Varrick's shit eating grin?
>> No. 115023
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>> No. 115024
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oh tumbler wonder how it feels to be utterly cultural illiterate like they are.
>> No. 115025
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>> No. 115027
I REALLY liked this episode, overall I'd say book 2 is way better than book 1 (though I did like book 1 too).
>> No. 115029
I like how tumblr flipped a shit at Bolin kissing Ginger, but doesn't mind Asami kissing Mako.
>> No. 115030
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You were doin' really good until the ending.

Then you fucked it all up completely.

Amnesia storylines are the WORST.
>> No. 115031
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oh just go marry tumblr already


One shit-eating grin, coming right up, though not that big. best character just got better
>> No. 115032
I'm actually really excited for amnesia Korra. It's CLEARLY not going to last very long (but I understand the frustration I see here, drawn out amnesia plots suck), and I think it's a great opportunity to address how much Korra relies on Being The Avatar, and what a huge part of her personality it is. It's going to be Korra learning about the spiritual aspects of her role without the roadblocks of her personality, then coming back into her own a more fully realized person.

Also, man, I spent the whole episode fearing the rekindling of Mako/Asami....but I actually liked the kiss. It made sense to me, having been embroiled in dumb relationship drama like that when I was that age--Asami was at her absolute lowest point with nothing left, then someone who she used to feel strongly for says something kind and...it's a moment of weakness and familiarity. One that I found realistic and actually really affecting. I have NO idea where they'll go with it, though--I hope it won't be too drawn out.

At this point, Mako is TOTALLY alone. Varrick has Asami in his pocket, Korra is "dead," Bei Fong doesn't trust him and Bolin is mad at him (and also bros with Varrick). He's the only one who knows the truth and I'm really excited for his storyline to advance.

I do wish they'd develop Asami more apart from Mako, but I'm optimistic they will. All in all, damn good episode.
>> No. 115033
The problem with it is they're still using deus ex machina exclusively in order for Korra's character to ever do anything and that is not okay.
>> No. 115034

Agreed on most of your points. Fucking sweet episode that let the supporting characters breathe a bit.

>I'm actually really excited for amnesia Korra. It's CLEARLY not going to last very long

If the second season 2 trailer is indicative, she'll recover her memory by the end of Beginnings. "My name is Korra, and I'm the Avatar" is said by her in front of the Fire Sages.


>deus ex machina

You keep using that word.youtube thumb

Korra got swamped under by a giant fucking dark spirit and got washed away to the fire nation. Temporary memory loss is one of the side effects of major concussions.
>> No. 115035
You're the last person in the universe I want to deal with AMNESIA DOES NOT FUCKING WORK THAT WAY.
>> No. 115036
>criticize tumblr
>go marry them!
Dude, chill out.

>Varrick being best character
I agree with you, so far, I fucking love his Xanatos pose.
>> No. 115037

from a quick glance on wikishit

>A variety of signs accompany concussion including somatic (such as headache), cognitive (such as feeling in a fog), emotional (such as emotional changeability), physical signs (such as loss of consciousness or amnesia), behavioral changes (such as irritability), cognitive impairment (such as slowed reaction times), and/or sleep disturbances
>> No. 115038
I like Mako's criminal friends.
>> No. 115039
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The depersonalization and loss identity she's experiencing was caused by spirit bullshit and will assuredly be resolved by spirit bullshit since we're about to do a two-parter on the subject; this is the very essence of a magical happenstance with zero stakes and no reason for the audience to take interest and that is lazy and trite and tiresome and ruined, absolutely ruined, what was otherwise the single best episode of Legend of Korra, by far.
>> No. 115040
same, they were pretty chill
>> No. 115041
The trailer has her proclaiming to the sages that "I am Korra, and I am the Avatar." So she gets over her amnesia rather quickly and perhaps, much like Book 1's lowest point change thing that led to Book 2 - yeah nothing's going to change.
>> No. 115042
Maybe you should chill out and wait to see where they're going with it.

I mean, if amnesia was the only way Korra could learn to gain some perspective I think that would really add to the tragedy of her character, that she was SO messed up by an upbringing that wasn't her fault at all (so I don't know why we keep getting mad at her for being a product of the only life she's ever known) that the only way she can get put on the right path is through a spiritual intervention like this.

And it's not DEM if we don't know how she got the amnesia -- the spirit could have done it (and since we don't know enough about spirits in general we can't call it a DEM) or she just got bonked on the head.
>> No. 115043
>yeah nothing's going to change.

Korra's never going to drastically change in personality. Aang didn't, Korra's not, people need to stop expecting this. She's more likely going to get a better perspective on things and how to do a good job as an Avatar, but she's always going to be Korra. If you really don't like that, you should probably drop the show.
>> No. 115045
I'm starting to think Bolin's kind of a douche and liking Mako more and more

w-what's happening to me
>> No. 115046
There don't have to be actual gods involved for it be that type of storytelling device; whenever an uncaused event changes something as if by magic; like Noatak's bloodbending that shouldn't do what it does doing yet another thing it shouldn't and giving Korra the ability to airbend - whenever that happens, that's a deus ex machina.

The only way she ever moves forward is by those things happening.
>> No. 115048
None of what you described is DEM.

Mako's always had the basis for being likable, his book 1 plot just made him look like an asshole very easily.
>> No. 115049
First episode I was really disappointed with. I was actually fine with Bolin up until this episode, though I'll give him a chance to redeem himself. I know I've warmed up to Mako, pun not intended.

Mostly disappointed about Varrick being the villain. Yeah, I saw it coming, but I liked him too much and wanted him to be on the Krew...
>> No. 115050
Another minor revelation about the events between the two books

>Korra didn't restore everyone's bending unconditionally

My gurl~
>> No. 115051
I'm glad Bolin's being a douche for once, and I think Bryke listened to fan feedback for writing Mako in book 2. The only issue I have is the potential for more shipping drama but we don't know where this new love triangle thing is going to go. "Just ignore it" was never an option, it has to be resolved decently.
>> No. 115053

Bolin's just getting a big head and letting Nuktuk consume his entire ego. He's getting fame and money, but strangely no women to go along with it. He can do better than Ginger. Switch off the tunnel vision dude.
>> No. 115055
I would not have been surprised if Asami had asked him to have sex with her right there and I would have supported it if he had.
>> No. 115056

It's pretty cool that Shady Shin is still with the Triads in spite of officially being a nonbender now.


I have a theory about Ginger and Bolin.

What if Ginger never takes a shine to Bo and he pulls an Eska on her and realizes how much of a dick he's becoming.
>> No. 115057
> and I think Bryke listened to fan feedback for writing Mako in book 2
There's no way this is the case because they were already working on book 2 before book 1 even actually began airing.
>> No. 115058

I think it's just a case of them finally figuring out something to do with Mako that isn't related to being Korra's love interest.
>> No. 115059
They could've gone back and changed things.
>> No. 115060
Watch Varrick genuinely have no idea what's going on and the true evil mastermind is Zhu Li.
>> No. 115061
Since this is one of Hamilton's scripts it's way more like the actual writers went over the first season and through their natural talents noticed the same glaring issues as those of us who waren't sycophants and tried to work to correct them as much as they were allowed.
>> No. 115062
And she goes off on him because he never noticed her and this was all some elaborate revenge scheme and Varrick is still not interested.
>> No. 115063
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>Ginger's voice
>> No. 115064
>Not constantly shitting on the show and can recognize Bryke fucked up while still liking it makes you a sycophant
>> No. 115065
I liked book 1 but virtually every criticism of Korra I've heard is justified, just overaxegerrated.
>> No. 115066
Mako: But- how? When I saw you talking to Asami you seemed so threatening and in control...

Varrick: Can't a guy look menacing for a bit without everyone accusing him of evil!
>> No. 115067

I don't think it's so much that as Bryke actually have people to bounce more ideas off of and add their own unique input. They're usually willing to listen to ideas from other writers.

I also think it's probably because Bryan isn't really helping as much with the writing and just letting Mike work with the other guys.

Plus there's also the new directors.
>> No. 115068

She sounds like those chicks in old movies from the 30's.
>> No. 115069
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You said it, not me.
>> No. 115070
>Fire Lo pls
>> No. 115071
You made me think.
>And I just can't stand it!
>> No. 115072
Oh, you.
>> No. 115073
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Yeah, the pic would probably help a bit.
>> No. 115074

I thought Fire Lo was banned from here?
>> No. 115075
There a link yet?
>> No. 115076
I kinda like that Ginger isn't attracted to Bolin.

It's a nice breaking away from the cliche of chicks like her digging on Bolin cause they're famous, then dumping them when they fall off, which is what I kind of suspected Ginger to be since that first scene with her.

How old is she supposed to be anyway?
>> No. 115077

>> No. 115078
Korra has amnesia now? Will she eventually gain memory of her parents back?
>> No. 115079
Why did the actor Unalaq remind me of the actor Ozai from The Ember Island Players?
>> No. 115080
What are you talking about? I don't think there's a single character who's been attracted to Bolin except Eska, so far.
>> No. 115081

There's that part in the trailer where the Fire Sages ask if she knows who she is and says that she's Korra, the Avatar.

But I don't know how much memory she's supposed to have really gained back.

It'd be nice if they ended the season with her remembering some stuff but not everything.
>> No. 115082
>What are you talking about? I don't think there's a single character who's been attracted to Bolin except Eska, so far.

I'm saying that usually when you see these kinds of "fame going to his head," tropes, there's usually a girl the character starts to date, who ends up dumping him when he loses all his fame and money.

Here, Bolin has the fame and money, but can't get the girl he wants.
>> No. 115084

They're quite similar. Nuktuk is a on old-timey propaganda serial with noble righteous heroes and mustache-twirling villains. EIP was a propaganda-ish play with really cheesy acting and garish effects which for some reason portrayed the Fire Nation's biggest threats as somewhat sympathetic up until their triumphant on-stage death.

>> No. 115085
Maybe they'll be an abridged portion where she opens her chakras like love and truth and stuff.

Either that or Mako will kiss her and she'll remember everything.
>> No. 115086

I'm warning you. Only once.


I tend to avoid dishing out permanent or extended bans.

I've yet to understand the mentality that just because we like some things or even a lot of things about Korra that we're party-line towing "sycophants."

Nobody here claims the first season, or even the bit of season 2 we have so far, is perfect. Nobody here ever has, nor likely ever will.


This is not 4chan, and we are not /co/. We are not under any obligation or compulsion to change that. This is an Avatar board, for fans of Avatar. Criticism is welcome and appreciated. Constantly shitting on the show and it's staff is not, so don't start playing the victim card when people yell at you when your only contribution to this board is telling people how much you hate Korra.
>> No. 115087
Am I a bad person for thinking the guy was asking Mako "What's it like dicking the Avatar" and not "dating"?
>> No. 115088
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I'm sorry. I don't even know what gets into me anymore. Half the time I just act like this because it's what I'm expected to do.

I like this scene. It really got across some emotional truth.
>> No. 115089
So Mako told the president about Korra's plan because even though he wanted to help her his first duty was to the law, his job, and authority.

Then to prove his suspicions about who the real criminal is, he circumvents the law and instructions from his boss, probably risking his job by doing so, and teams up with dangerous mobsters to further his goals.

Am I the only one who sees a discrepancy here?

The drill here represents a phallic symbol, specifically symbolizing Bolin forcing himself on her.
>> No. 115090
I thought it was pretty strongly implied that's what he was actually asking.
>> No. 115091
Not really, since Korra was going to start a world war, and Mako wasn't.
>> No. 115092
There's a difference between working off the books and suborning treason and committing perjury.
>> No. 115093

My ~headcanon~ for the EIP play being this way was that it was an EK play adapted to the FN by just changing the ending. The writer was EK, so I don't think this is unreasonable.

Anyway, good episode. It's not without it's flaws, but it looks like the season might start picking up. Everything before was just so obviously set-up for the story. I'm curious where they're going with Korra's amnesia; hopefully it's not too long lasting - just long enough to get her time to have some spiritual discovery and self reflection rather than rushing around trying to save the South. As a die hard book 1 Mako hater, I'm starting to like him now. It'll depend on what they do with him the rest of the season. He's on the brink of becoming pretty cool, but could very easily slide back into the favored golden boy of the writers. Verrick's smug little grin was the best part. I'm not sure why Lin refuses to hear out Mako, but I guess they want extra conflict or something. I guess it makes sense she'd ignore his speculation about this new technology no one but Verrick's crew knows exists.
>> No. 115094
I'm pretty okay with Amnesia thing as long as Korra learns something crucial and important about herself and being the Avatar.

I'd like it if she stayed more apt to solve things with her fists, but just was a little smarter and less gullible.

It might be neat though if she doesn't regain ALL her memories.
>> No. 115099
Another reason why I hope Mako gets aids.
>> No. 115100
You really cannot compare the two situations.
>> No. 115101
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>I hope Mako gets aids
>> No. 115102
Yeah, you can kinda.

Korra wanted to break the law for what she thought was just.
Mako did something to break the law for what he thought was just.
>> No. 115106
Korra wanted to attack a nation with a fleet of warships, without a declaration of war and against the orders of the military's commander-in-chief.
Make took a ride on a boat.
>> No. 115107
How was he breaking the law? Taking a midnight cruise in an empty boat with some shady characters doesn't count as lawbreaking.
>> No. 115108
I hate amnesia plots too, but I think everyone can stop flipping out about it so hard. Just chill and see what happens.

Asami throwing herself at Mako kinda bugged me. I HATED the breakup scene with Mako and Korra, even though I'm indifferent to the shipping in LoK, because I'm sick of writers doing this to couples. Oh crap, we don't know how to make a functional couple interesting, let's make them fight and break up and make up and break up again because DRAMA DRAMA DRAMA. I was warming up to their relationship in the first few episodes, despite the bickering, and now this. And to top it all off, we throw Asami into the mix again for good measure. Just stop it already.

Not sure how I feel about Varrick being a villain, even though some of you already called it. Could be interesting.

Even though I wanted him to get more involved, I'm TOTALLY for Bolin telling Mako to get lost. It's about time he stood up for himself a little. Despite the fact that it was supposed to be for comedy, and was pretty funny, Bolin was being terrorized by Eska and when he begged his brother for help, he was brushed off or told to just suck it up. How does it feel, Mako?

Lin is being pretty stubborn even for Lin. Not really a fan of the whole 80s cop movie vibe they've got going on there. It's dumb and it's been done to death.

Those fucking mecha tanks should have been destroyed after the Equalist problem was wrapped up. At the very least, they should have been well-guarded. Now there's a bunch of them in the hands of one of our sinister villains. Good work, guys.

Decent episode overall, but still a few hiccups here and there.
>> No. 115110
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Oh, and way to get crap past the censors, guys. This is right up there with "do an activity".
>> No. 115112
MORE terrible romance drama with Mako and Asami? How can people still be watching this?
>> No. 115113

>MORE terrible romance drama

It wasn't terrible.

>How can people still be watching this?

Because this last episode was actually pretty good.
>> No. 115116
Are you defending S1's Asami/Mako/Korra "love triangle" nonsense?
>> No. 115120
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>>The face of a rapist

seriously now though this whole scene is just kind of pathetic and awkward looking
>> No. 115122
Kinda hope that Korra doesn't learn all that much aside from some history lessons from this. I like her violent.
>> No. 115123
Bringing back the thugs from the pilot was cool, the waterbending one has a nice style.
>> No. 115124
I liked this episode. Not as much as last week's, but it was still pretty good. I think it also illustrates how Republic City is necessary to this show. Korra and Tenzin can function outside the setting, but the other main cast members can't. Their lives in Republic City are key to their identities, and Mako, Bolin, and Asami are adrift while abroad.

Morality in TLoK is also intriguing. It seems to be tied to a person's obligations. There doesn't really seem to be a universal standard of ethics beyond "don't kill folks". Korra and Mako came into conflict when their respective obligations forced them to work against each other. Mako can critique Korra for working to subvert the system one week, and then the next week himself resort to dirty work by cutting deals with the triads. Asami is the same -- her moral center is saving her company, so she effortlessly cuts deals with the Triple Threats and eagerly agrees to be a merchant of death.


>Korra learns to embrace pacifism and diplomacy
>S3's villain requires her to just wreck all his shit. Everyone spends the season trying to teach her anger.
>At the 11th Hour, Meelo finally unleashes a swarm of starving lemurs on her.
>> No. 115125
I'm surprised that Asami kept so many things in one warehouse by the docks. Serious how long would it take to transport everything from Future Industries to there. Also how long would it take someone to steal all of Asami's weapons and what would they steal it with? You can't transport so many planes and mechs without either a giant ship or a fleet of trucks, both of which would be very noticeable and easy to track down.

I'm guessing they gave Korra amnesia so that she wouldn't just resolve everything as soon as Mako realised Varrick was causing problems. Though they could have just said that she didn't know about it because Mako has no way to contact her.
>> No. 115127

It sure was convenient that the Triple Threats just loudly revealed their double-cross to Mako when they were only twenty feet away.

It sure was convenient that Asami put her entire priceless inventory in one completely undefended warehouse.

It sure was convenient that Varrick blatantly uses the same EXCLUSIVE detonator technology for his movers as he does with his with his deals with the Triads.

It sure was convenient that Korra lost her memory so now she can have "character development" from a blank slate instead of who she actually was which was a completely stubborn and unreasonable person.

Bolin being petty and so retarded as to be unable to separate fact from fiction is just great. He actually got some character development! He was useless before and now he's an asshole! Awesome, that's just great.

Asami's life is ruined moreso than it was before, hurray! And what do women do when everything falls apart? Go right back to the asshole who dumped you in the worst way possible! Mako was acting really sincere to Asami, he really wanted to help her! That's great! So of course, Asami needs to throw herself at him. What else would a girl do?

Mako really wants to solve this case, that's fucking great. He's onto something and he knows it, so who does he go to help for? The fucking Triads. Who cares if it was the Agni Kais who did the bombing on the cultural center, I'm sure Shady Shin and the rest of the Triple Threats are a bunch of stand-up guys who wouldn't take part in that sort of action, they're a different kind of Triad, good idea Mako. Again it's really an excellent display of character development because in the last episode he wanted to do things by the book and now he's developed into a character who works with gangsters. What incredible growth for him! Makes plenty of sense!

The plot is so unbearably predictable, the only surprise is how much these characters will continue to flip-flop and flounder in their state of shapeless "personalities". There is at least a theme for the characters and that is they're all really fucking stupid, but then again why be smart when the plot bends over backwards to loudly whisper its intentions to you.

Other than that, the episode was well-paced, I give it five stars out of five.
>> No. 115128
A fleet of ships and trucks is just what a shipping baron like Varrick would have plenty of, along with a crew good and loading and unloading quickly. Plus, Republic City is a busy port city. There were ships coming and going even at night as seen in this episode. No one would bat an eye at a few extra ships loading up some stuff from a port-side warehouse.
>> No. 115129
Can... Can I have a gif of Mako getting ready to fire-shank a bitch? I need it for reasons.

This episode was magnificent and I loved it. The ONLY disappointing aspect was the bending fights. I was SO READY for Mako to throw down with those guys, and it just didn't really happen. Not NEAR as fabulous and spectacular as Season 1, but maybe that's because it isn't something Pierrot can handle.

TL;DR - The story has improved leaps and bounds, but where my martial arts at?!

>shakes fist at Pierrot
>> No. 115130
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Please leave and never come back.
>> No. 115131
Pierrot reign of suck is almost over, there's only episode 9 left.
>> No. 115134
You know, usually I would disregard people like you as retards relying on outdated memes to dissuade any sort of discussion that isn't unanimous praise.

I kind of hated episodes 3 and 4 of this season and back then people like you told me to just get out and I didn't listen. Episode 5 revitalized me, it was an episode I actually liked and it carried me to this episode.

I actually had some high hopes for the premiere, things were being set up to be pretty awesome although I still had some reservations because Season 1 of Korra still stung. Frankly, it wasn't really the first season of Korra that I hated, it was mostly the last two episodes that just failed to resolve anything in a satisfying way. There was so much good build-up going on in the rest of the first season. I actually enjoyed the infamous Spirit of Competition episode. I was even part of a /co/ raid on the Nick video database at 5 in the morning. They had already uploaded "The Voice in the Night" online and finding it was just a matter of putting in the right 8-digit number at the end of the url. We got the episode only a few hours early, but goddamn it was worth it.

When word of Korra was first announced, I was excited. I saw Korra's character design and thought "what a badass". Legend of Korra was exactly the sort of pick-up the fandom and I needed after the horror that was M. Night Shymalan.

I remember protesting the film outside theaters, handing out racebending.com fliers and getting into arguments with strangers. Going to conventions and finding the amount of people who actually liked the idea of a white Aang made me fucking sick, although I always tried to keep the facade of politeness.

I remember watching this
Avatar Movie Interview with M.…youtube thumb
5 years ago and two years before the movie actually came out and being really excited. Shymalan really seemed to get it and he really seemed like a fan at the time. At the time he seemed like the perfect guy to be adapting my favorite television series into a live action movie.

I mean I had my complaints with the end of season 3, conveniently placed rocks and energy-bending-out-of-nowhere primarily, but I still loved Avatar. It was such a grand and fantastic ending, it was worth the wait between season 2 and 3 which was like a neverending hell. Nick was still a fucking awful network that seemed to be trying it's goddamn hardest to fuck with Avatar. The schedule changes, delays and that fucking year long gap between seasons.

Writing and reading fanfiction sustained me. Oh god the shitty fanfiction I wrote, my shame. It was a bad habit I kept coming back to. I had a great idea, a great spin on the original, but it would only take a week after I put it online before I realized it was utter shit.

I never thought I would end up this devoted to the show. When I first watched the show when it really first started airing, I dismissed it off-handedly. This shit was just ripping off anime and Naruto was the hot shit.

It took me a year and half later when Season 2 was just about to finish to get back in the series and when I finally did sit down to watch the show I ate it up. I was in love with all the characters, but I really loved Zuko and Azula the most. While Sokka and Katara didn't quite have the perfect sibling relationship, it was Zuko and Azula that really matched my own fucked up relationship and to see it on screen was mind-blowing.

The reason I've stuck around for so long is because I love Avatar. I've written and spoken thousands of words about it, defending it, criticizing it, making fanfiction of it and whatever else. Avatar helped me meet new friends and bond with old ones. Avatar gave me the courage to talk to my brother about our shitstain of a father.

For all the ups and downs, the episodes I hated, the shitty movie adaptations, the fandumb that occurs and whatever else. I've stuck with Avatar because I love it, it's given me so much. Bryan and Mike don't owe me anything, it's the other way around.

So if you've actually read this whole thing (holy shit really?) and listened to me monologue like I'm on livejournal, I just want to tell you you're right. I should just gtfo. I hate the Legend of Korra and as much as I've devoted myself to Avatar and as much as I love it, it's time I moved on.

Seriously, who still uses cat memes?
>> No. 115135

Eeeh. I read it all. I share a lot of your opinions, but not your outcome.

Perhaps, from when you watched AtLA to when you watched Korra, your expectations of story changed? I mean a lot of convenient things still happened in AtLA. And compared to AtLA, this has been much more shades-of-grey with the triad dealings.

Which...is also a problem, as it reveals the limits of how 'grey' they can make something that's made for kids- which is to say 'not at all'.

Basically, I just think you've grown up.
>> No. 115136

I'm not going to try to convince you to stay or go either way, and if you've really been here as long as you say, then it's a shame to see a veteran go.

That said, cat memes aside, I think posters like >>115130 are tired of some of the negativity that Korra's drawn. I mean, look at your post. The core message you're putting out is "I think the writing is relying on convenience and the character's aren't acting how they should." I can even agree with that. I haven't seen the episode yet, but what little I've allowed myself to see makes it seem like that could be a legit weak-point of the show's writing.

But is that all you wrote? Is that all to how you wrote it? I'd say no, definitely not. You're dripping in sarcasm aimed at both the show and this board. Even in this big goodbye post, you've dismissed off people on this board as being angry that anybody dare speak out about the Sacred Calf that is this show, when it's more likely that they're just tired of the universal hateboner that's associated with /co/ and parts of Tumblr.
>> No. 115137
From Lando to Lex the story of Varrick.
>> No. 115139
When you word it like THAT way, sure, but there's so much more to it than 'breaking the law'. Korra was trying to drag the country into a war that it didn't want to be involved in, Mako did some shady dealings with a weakened gang (thanks to Korra not giving everyone their bending back) in one city.

All things considered? It wasn't that bad. You never get the impression that Asami has been secretly yearning for Mako for six months, more like her feelings for him resurfaced because she has literally lost EVERYTHING and her ex, someone you wouldn't really expect to be there for you, has just told her he's not going to give up on getting her a happy ending. Now we just need to see where it goes, and that could end up being bad.

Yeah, it really just sounds like it isn't for you. At least you're acknowledging it and dropping the show, which a lot of people in this fandom need to do.
>> No. 115140

I think you mean Xanatos
>> No. 115141
I can't believe I'm saying this, but an amnesia subplot might just be what Korra needs to get her head out of her own ass.
>> No. 115142
Either/Or, Mountain Man '90s Lex had his "good guy" moments. Eager to see what his game plain is. I kinda think its going to be Varrick vs Unalaq at the end of this season.
>> No. 115144

I think it could work. It'd give her an objective place to look at what she needs to do and what she's done so far. It also will give her time to breathe from rushing around trying to save her tribe. She's very proactive and feels like she needs to be on top of everything to do her job. I can't see Korra being able to focus on self-reflection when she's worried about doing everything right.
>> No. 115145
I had a dream last night that we met Honora at the end of Beginnings. She was so kind beautiful ;_;
>> No. 115146
that's part of why she's so tense and aggressive I think. She has a lot to live up to being the Avatar after what Aang accomplished. And with that not being in the forefront of her mind she may be able to straighten things out.
>> No. 115147
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Hopefully Mako grows a mustache in the future

>> No. 115148
'stache a little touch of grey around the temples.
>> No. 115150
But he hates those guys and their stupid mustaches!
>> No. 115151
I'm excited to see where the Varrick plot is heading. His reveal may have been predictable, but the foreshadowing was well written and it's definitely something we haven't seen before in Avatar.

Also, the soundtrack is amazing, the track team is getting even better.
>> No. 115152
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Did anyone else think HELLLOOOOOO RUSTY! during this scene?
>> No. 115156
>focus on spirits
>the dickish, homocidal, jackass spirits
>SURPRISE! The true villain is man

>> No. 115157
Saw it comin'.
>> No. 115160
True villain. Verrick?

He's an opportunist taking advantage of the situation, not the end all big bad of the season. Not by a long shot. Shit's still going down with Unulaq and whatever the hell's up with the spirit portal.
>> No. 115161
Unalaq already kind of debunked the idea that a spirit is the bad guy with the whole 'there are no evil spirits' thing. And Varrick is definitely an antagonist, but probably not THE villain, unless he's been doing secret blood sacrifices to piss off spirits.
>> No. 115162

There's a still a character voiced by Grey "Azula" DeLisle named "The Dark Spirit" that's yet to show up. So I think counting out a spirit villain (especially in a season titled "spirits) is a bit premature.
>> No. 115163
Did you forgot about Koh already?
>> No. 115165
An interview with Bryan, Joaquim, and PJ Byrne at NYCC talking about Beginnings.

Korra Creators Tease the First Avataryoutube thumb
>> No. 115167
To be honest I wouldn't really call Koh evil. The guy just seems to sit in his lair all day waiting for some poor soul to wander in and make a facial expression, unless you're Kuruk.
>> No. 115170
Oh this is such delicious propaganda. Talking Animals..FOR KIDS.
>> No. 115171

Sounded like Dee Bradley Baker used his "talking Momo" voice from ATLA for Pabu
>> No. 115172
Anyone who steals other people's face cannot be good. Oh and dark spirits automatically implies they're villains. Anytime you have light and dark of anything it usually means good and bad.
>> No. 115173
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Dat High Five
>> No. 115174
Only misstep of that was Fake Unalaq not sounding like Skeletor but going with the Ming the Merciless look is okay.
>> No. 115179
Why does Asami have such a retarded boner to save her father's blood money company? It's name is mud, it's a sinking ship, she'd be better off torching the plans for the cool stuff (planes, mechs etc.) and selling it for peanuts. Maybe start a junk shop out of RC under a new name and making a new corporation from scratch.
>> No. 115180
For all of the people who worked for him without also being equalist scumbags.
>> No. 115181
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NUKTUK!! AhhhhaaahhHHH

>> No. 115186
She says it herself in the episode: it's all she has left of her family.
>> No. 115189
Plus the company wasn't built on blood money, Future Industries sold cars, that Hiroshi used that money to finance a violent uprising is not particularly relevant to the company's level of culpability.
>> No. 115199
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I use cat macros and reaction images when I'm sick to death of repeating myself and/or don't feel like writing a huge wall of text, because like you apparently used to do, I have also defended Avatar and LoK several times from fandumb and movie apologists. But see, here's the thing, from reading your original post, there was no way to tell how much you love Avatar, as you made clear in your second response. You just came across as another whiny hater taking another cheap shot at the show. That's what I'm getting sick of, so when I see posts like yours, my knee-jerk reaction is "FFS, NTSA".

Nobody has to blindly worship the show, characters, or creators, all that I ask is that they be fair in their criticism and quit the mindless bashing. There's too much of it in the fandom nowadays, even here on +/a/, as tiny of a group as we are. And I do firmly believe that people who can't stand a show they are watching should stop watching and quit talking about it, unless they want to go form their own little hate club. Is this a better response now?
>> No. 115222
I had a thought. Having ones weapon shipment "stolen" means no blowback for backing Rebels. They still get their goods and the North can't apply pressure to Republic City since witnesses saw NWT troops take the ship. Heck Asami could even be in on the whole thing and just have to fake it and lie to her friends.
>> No. 115289
I like what this analysis has to say about Asami.

>I love seeing Asami mess up, because it was my biggest criticism of her from the last season: how perfect she was. She was flawless, yes, and admirable, but there was something about that that hurt her character and made her a little too superhuman. If someone asked what her flaws were, it was hard to come up with them; this time around, we see her losing control and trying to cling to it. She makes deals with criminals, she puts the company before her ethics, and she finally breaks when all of her control is taken from her. It’s a character arc, and a darn good one—another example of where a character falls so that she can learn to pick herself up.
>> No. 115294
And this is why Asami is Zuko 2.0, instead of Mako.
>> No. 115298
which keeps me interested in seeing what she becomes. Does she rebuild from the ashes at the end or does she just dust herself off and move on.
>> No. 115299
Yeah, it was great seeing Asami mess up, not in a "I don't like her" sort of way, but because she finally showed some flaws. Same thing with Bolin, people were shitting themselves over the kiss with Ginger and totally missed the point that he was wrong to do that, even when she basically spells it out.
>> No. 115301
their argument was that Bolin was learning about the difference between acting and reality, and that he wasn't learning about consent. but really, surprise kissing has been in AtlA for awhile.
>> No. 115303
Really damn good post. Makes me feel a lot better about Bolin and the kiss.
>> No. 115311
Lots have said it already, but I just thought it was such a perfectly believable, emotional moment, and both characters handled it with the maturity and tragedy it merited. There was no bullshit, just TRUTH.
>> No. 115317
I wouldn't say Bolin was acting out of character. He's spent most of his life being poor and he only seems to have done well in one pro-bending tournament. Now that he''s rich and seen as a hero he's started acting like someone important. Varric praising him after everything he does, whether right or wrong, also doesn't help.

I was expect Asami to cry in Mako's arms, rather than kiss him. This would have been a more believable reaction.

Most criminal gangs don't work together so going to another gang for help was a good idea (it may even have worked if Varric didn't know that it was a trap). Also Mako wasn't making the Triple Threat Triads do anything illegal.
>> No. 115318
My point was that someone would notice the ship or trucks being loaded, which would give Mako a starting point for any police investigation.
>> No. 115319
Kinda have to disagree here. The problem with Asami in season 1 (at least in my eyes) was that she wasn't deep. She didn't just not have flaws, she had very little character traits at all, positive or negative. The only word I can think of that really describes her is "nice." She wasn't funny, she wasn't clever, she wasn't tenderhearted, she wasn't headstrong, she wasn't aloof, she wasn't insensitive, she wasn't overconfident, she wasn't really much of anything except the nice girl who ran into Mako on her bike. She wasn't a bad character and I didn't dislike her, but there was just so little to her.

Also, I doubt this will be used to deepen her character by much. If she really had hit bottom and we got to see her pick herself back up and come back stronger, maybe. But as the end of the episode clearly showed, she hasn't hit bottom because Varrick bailed her out. There's no need for the kind of struggle for which this guy and the rest of you seem to be hoping.
>> No. 115320

Notice that "bail-out"was buying a "controlling interest" in Future Industries? She's not at rock bottom yet, but that's because the downward-elevator ride Varrick put her on hasn't finished getting there.
>> No. 115321
Right about now, I'm speculating about the possibility that Varrick may try to seduce Asami (inasmuch as one can in a kids show) as a way to further solidify his position in her company.
...IF you know what I mean...
>> No. 115322
She may even decide to go with it. Their offspring would end up being the most powerful person on the planet. Again its a Literary thing as well as a historical plan. Worked for Xanatos in that he actually found he did have feelings for Fox and she for him.
>> No. 115323
Don't have a particular thread for this so I'll put it here. Jeremy Zuckerman just released this little peace of ear candy on his Soundcloud.

>> No. 115324
Also consider the fact that Mako is going to break Bolin's heart again when he tells him that his buddy Varrick is bad news. Poor Bolin just can't catch a break!
>> No. 115325
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Everyone is dismissive of Mako he's the only one that knows the truth and its told to ignore it or be punished. Being the good cop is hard Mako.
>> No. 115326
Wait until Ginger finally kicks him in the crotch.
>> No. 115327
Swan has been on point all season. This explains a lot about the Asami kiss and what it actually meant.

>> No. 115337
So none of you are actually talking about the character development that's going to happen, but rather the character development that might happen.

Can't say I'm terribly confident.
>> No. 115338
>> No. 115342

I can't tell the goddamn future, man. I'm goin' with what I got. I highly doubt they'll just drop the "Varrick double crossed Asami," bit anymore than the line about Varrick using the "little guy" to make himself a bigger guy. We might not have focus on it right away, since we have Korra's amnesia and Wan to deal with, but I'm pretty sure ending an episode with that moment means the moment is important.
>> No. 115343
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also even though some of the monkey line could be seen as derogatory he may honestly want Asami to become a better businesswoman. He may want an equal that he see's she could be. Not evil just his goals are his goals and you just happen to fit what he needs at this time.
>> No. 115362
Mako is only put in control if Asami cries and Mako hugs her. However if Asami grabs Mako and cries against him he's not in control. In any case Asami crying makes a lot more sense then her kissing Mako, then running away (women tend to cry when they're sad, not kiss nearby men).
>> No. 115363
>women tend to cry when they're sad, not kiss nearby men).

Way to ignore Mako and Asami's relationship and how that might affect her actions. It's not like if Mako was some random police officer she would have done the same thing.
>> No. 115364
Another neat interview with Bryke, Joaquim, and PJ Byrne. Maybe since Joaquim has taken a larger role in production we should call them...Brykquim!

>> No. 115368
Nice interview, thanks for the link.


I like it.
>> No. 115436
Women who are sad are still more likely to cry than kiss their ex-boyfriend. They're also more likely to cry than kiss their current boyfriend. So Asami's actions are still out of place.
>> No. 115449

Even after getting an "I believe in you and won't give up on you," speech? It just seems like you're kinda simplifying things.
>> No. 115457
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I didn't know they took a poll on what women are most likely to do when their company has been robbed, their mom is dead and their father is in jail because he was working for a terrorist group and their ex single boyfriend with whom they didn't have a satisfactory breakup with has just told them they weren't going to give up on them.
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