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114245 No. 114245
Soon followed by the Feats of Strength! An Avatarus for the rest-of-us!

Our ever-growing chronicle of Avatar fans doing really shitty, outlandishly stupid or unreasonable things on the interbutt. Layeth the Smackdown!
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>> No. 114246
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Got an idea for how Korra can be 'adjusted'. Season 2 finale, Korra gets jettisoned to the middle of the Earth Kingdom and loses her memory. Gives a blank slate to the new writers to fix the parts of Korra's personality that didn't work. Thus, she relearns her fire, water, and earth bending from various persons as she travels to find herself so her style won't just be PUNCH PUNCH PUNCH!!! Eventually, she gets her memory back, but decides to keep being the new and improved person that she is.

How's that?
>> No. 114247
>>114246
Can't tell if trolling or if it's a pasta.

But Korra already knows the traditional bending styles (except possibly airbending), what do you think those old people were teaching her at the compound? She just prefers the faster RC style.
>> No. 114248
>Our ever-growing chronicle of Avatar fans doing really shitty, outlandishly stupid or unreasonable things on the interbutt.
I found this:
https://plus4chan.org/b/a/res/114245.html
>> No. 114249
>>114246
that's literally the worst, "reset by memory loss" plots are the absolute garbage and you should be ashamed

korra's personality isn't really the issue anyway, or even how she reacts to things--her desire for independence and for people to trust her while still needing guidance is reasonable, if not expected for a sixteen year old girl, and it's something plenty of people should be able to relate to. it's the plotting that's dragging everything down.

also things like how scenes are set. korra's uncle has been giving off "i'm a villain don't trust me" vibes since he was first mentioned from things like how his face is shaded, but from korra's perspective, she doesn't really have much of a reason not to trust him. the dissonance between what the viewer knows and what korra knows makes her look like a gigantic idiot, but it's not the character's fault she can't pick up cues meant for the viewer.
>> No. 114251
Oh look, posting has magically come back. Didn't expect OP to go through.

>"fandom" has devolved into a septic tank of pure bile, negativity, and vindictive nitpicking
>hate flows into Bill Rinaldi's dash and inbox
>he decides to take a break
>stuff like this shit goes down (linked post is a succinct rebuttal to said shit) http://arrestedprofessionaldevelopment.tumblr.com/post/62026961363/think-im-gonna-leave-tumblr-for-awhile

My block list has fucking BALLOONED this weekend. Thanks for revealing yourselves assholes!
>> No. 114252
>>114249
>but from korra's perspective, she doesn't really have much of a reason not to trust him
SERIOUSLY, as someone who has been manipulated and screwed over by what was once a trusted family member, you really do not see the signs unless something like that has happened to you before or you're just naturally paranoid and distrusting of everyone around you.

Maybe it's just me but if I see someone in my family sitting in the dark, while I might find it weird my first fucking thought isn't "oh shit, my uncle is evil".

>>114251
This fandom, man, I think we might take this year's award for "most total lack of tact and respect for the creators".
>> No. 114254
>>114251
>martial arts coordinator

There was martial arts in TLOK? All I saw was punches and Vader force grips.
>> No. 114255
>>114254
You were probably too busy being an asshole to notice.
>> No. 114257
>>114254
Its as much form as it is action. I forget which arts they used as the base for the forms of the elements.
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>>114255
Nah...
>> No. 114259
>>114254
I guess it depends on if you think MMA is an actual martial art. There WAS some kind of coordinated fighting style in the show though.
>> No. 114260
The Legend of Korra: Equalist fight sceneyoutube thumb
Korra vs. Tarrlok (Part 1) [HD]youtube thumb
The Legend of Korra : Voice In…youtube thumb
And so on.
But hey, don't let facts stop you from whining.
>> No. 114262
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Okay, I doubt that it would make people hate it less, but what if in The Legend of Korra, instead of it being Unalaq, it was Senna who was the banished royal who totaled the Spirit Forest as she tried to route out the barbarians? Kind of like an anti version of the Zuko/Azula thing.

Maybe have one of those rare mother-daughter story arcs in animation, perhaps do it a bit better than BRAVE.
>> No. 114263
Dammit, I wanted to make this thread to correct the number. This is actually the SEVENTH Aanger thread; we accidentally had two "fifth" threads. Yes, it's a stupid thing to nitpick, but whatever.

>>114254
Why are you still here? We get it already, you hate Korra. You don't need to whine about it in EVERY single thread. Go find something else to entertain yourself with because this is getting old fast.
>> No. 114265
>>114263
>there's only one person that dislikes Korra

top lel.
>> No. 114268
>>114251

I feel this this place has become the only reasonable place to discuss LoK anymore. I mean, critique is fine. I do it a lot, and I believe every creative work is subject to it. And I have my own criticisms of how LoK season 1 and 2 have progressed so far. But the fandom, especially on tumblr, is just....RELENTLESSLY nasty, and completely determined to shit on anything the show does--usually in a show of LOOK AT HOW PROGRESSIVE I AM.

It's like that post going around, of Asami saying "fuck you too Mako" to the blood sucking leech bit. I guess I could be wrong but I thought it was pretty clear that it was a metaphor for the act of ending a relationship, not Asami herself? (Having Mako saying something SO nasty would be a bizarre choice on the writers' part anyway--they've given him dickish moments before, but that would nonsensical). It's like "rip off the bandaid" but they don't have bandaids, so....duh. But last time I checked, that thing had like 11000 notes so yeah. Mako is such a fucking dick oh my god poor perfect Asami!!!!!

In general, I feel like this weird tension exists now, between Korra and Asami. "Enlightened" tumblr fans like Asami because ohhh so fabulous fierce femme girl oooh and a lot of it is tied up in tumblr feminism (I say this as someone who writes a lot of feminist stuff on tumblr). And that's great, but they've made her into this weird fandom martyr and it's....dumb. And everyone is in SUCH a hurry to hate on Korra when she's the character they're taking real risks with--brown female action protagonist with a flawed, traditionally masculine personality who is in the process of learning from her mistakes. I mean, again, I get not being 100% happy with her all the time but jesus, if you're a SJ-minded person, can we applaud what they're trying to do here? And not scream UGH FUCK BRYKE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND CHARACTERIZATION before we know how storylines are going to play out? Before we know how Korra will grow from the place she's in now?

I'm just so goddamn weary at this point.
>> No. 114269
>>114251

I feel this this place has become the only reasonable place to discuss LoK anymore. I mean, critique is fine. I do it a lot, and I believe every creative work is subject to it. And I have my own criticisms of how LoK season 1 and 2 have progressed so far. But the fandom, especially on tumblr, is just....RELENTLESSLY nasty, and completely determined to shit on anything the show does--usually in a show of LOOK AT HOW PROGRESSIVE I AM.

It's like that post going around, of Asami saying "fuck you too Mako" to the blood sucking leech bit. I guess I could be wrong but I thought it was pretty clear that it was a metaphor for the act of ending a relationship, not Asami herself? (Having Mako saying something SO nasty would be a bizarre choice on the writers' part anyway--they've given him dickish moments before, but that would nonsensical). It's like "rip off the bandaid" but they don't have bandaids, so....duh. But last time I checked, that thing had like 11000 notes so yeah. Mako is such a fucking dick oh my god poor perfect Asami!!!!!

In general, I feel like this weird tension exists now, between Korra and Asami. "Enlightened" tumblr fans like Asami because ohhh so fabulous fierce femme girl oooh and a lot of it is tied up in tumblr feminism (I say this as someone who writes a lot of feminist stuff on tumblr). And that's great, but they've made her into this weird fandom martyr and it's....dumb. And everyone is in SUCH a hurry to hate on Korra when she's the character they're taking real risks with--brown female action protagonist with a flawed, traditionally masculine personality who is in the process of learning from her mistakes. I mean, again, I get not being 100% happy with her all the time but jesus, if you're a SJ-minded person, can we applaud what they're trying to do here? And not scream UGH FUCK BRYKE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND CHARACTERIZATION before we know how storylines are going to play out? Before we know how Korra will grow from the place she's in now?

I'm just so goddamn weary at this point.
>> No. 114271
>>114268
>>114269
>if you're a SJ-minded person, can we applaud what they're trying to do here?

You've really got to applaud Bryke for managing to get the SJ crowd to actually rally behind the rich, privileged white girl, and make them hate the homeless guy and his brown, immigrant girlfriend.

It's actually kind of impressive to see such a 180 in their typical positioning.
>> No. 114273
>>114268
Just go to the nick.com forums. It's filled with poorly written fanfiction and OCs, but there's genuine enthusiasm there that older demographics would both envy and consider embarrassing.
>> No. 114274
>>114268

That "fuck you too Mako" post is the handiwork of avataraang. Someone that needs to relinquish their url at this point.
>> No. 114275
>>114271
Korra is pretty much everything Tumblr wants in physical form, but all that means nothing if the character is completely unlikable.
>> No. 114276
>>114268
In regards to the "Blood sucking Leech" line, it seems like people are really stretching to hate on Mako. You can give general advice to other people without it having to relate to a personal event in your own life. I've never been married, nor have I even been close to asking some. Yet I've given relationship advice about marriage to other friends of mine because I do have a bit of insight just from hanging around married friends of mine. (Specifically, I had a friend who was dating a girl for 10 frikin' years and still couldn't decide if he wanted to marry her yet. I told him, dude, if it's been ten years and you still don't know, then the answer is "no".)

The point being, you can give advice about something without it having to specifically relate to something you yourself have experienced. People do it all the time.

Not to mention that Mako and Asami were by no stretch of the imagination in a bad relationship. Sure, they broke up because Mako realized he liked someone else more, but up to that point, there was nothing actually bad about the relationship. His comment had absolutely nothing to do with his own personal situation.

But hey, fuck it. Mako said a thing so let's twist it to make it seem horrible because anger.

>But the fandom, especially on tumblr, is just....RELENTLESSLY nasty, and completely determined to shit on anything the show does

/co/'s pretty much doing exactly the same thing right now. So I'm in the same boat and just coming here for my fix.
>> No. 114277
>>114222
Mako never apologizes to Bolin for getting with Korra while knowing that Bolin liked her.

Mako never apologizes to Korra for threatening to break off all ties with Korra when she accuses Hiroshi.

Mako never apologizes to Asami for cheating on her. Instead he apologizes for "things getting messed up." Which is probably the shittest and most evasive way to say you cheated on someone.

Mako actually does apologize to Korra for thinking she was just another fangirl and couldn't bend for shit. So there's that.
>> No. 114278
>>114271
Well, Asami isn't "white", but other than that, you're spot-on.
>> No. 114279
>>114268
In regards to the "Blood sucking Leech" line, it seems like people are really stretching to hate on Mako. You can give general advice to other people without it having to relate to a personal event in your own life. I've never been married, nor have I even been close to asking some. Yet I've given relationship advice about marriage to other friends of mine because I do have a bit of insight just from hanging around married friends of mine. (Specifically, I had a friend who was dating a girl for 10 frikin' years and still couldn't decide if he wanted to marry her yet. I told him, dude, if it's been ten years and you still don't know, then the answer is "no".)

The point being, you can give advice about something without it having to specifically relate to something you yourself have experienced. People do it all the time.

Not to mention that Mako and Asami were by no stretch of the imagination in a bad relationship. Sure, they broke up because Mako realized he liked someone else more, but up to that point, there was nothing actually bad about the relationship. His comment had absolutely nothing to do with his own personal situation.

But hey, fuck it. Mako said a thing so let's twist it to make it seem horrible because anger.

>But the fandom, especially on tumblr, is just....RELENTLESSLY nasty, and completely determined to shit on anything the show does

/co/'s pretty much doing exactly the same thing right now. So I'm in the same boat and just coming here for my fix.
>> No. 114281
>>114279
There is no stretching required. He ended season 1 a creep and he just keeps rolling that ball of wax bigger and bigger every time he opens his mouth. Regardless of what the writer's intention was with the "leech" thing it's hypocritical of him to give that advice without contextualizing it because it's not within his own experience.
>> No. 114282
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>>114277
As far as tributes to departed, beloved talents go, he could've been better.
>> No. 114283
>>114279
>>114276
Do you also unnecessarily give that advice twice, Matt?
>> No. 114284
>>114282

Nothing would've been more boring and ill-fitting than to just make him a paragon of everything good in man.
>> No. 114286
>>114284
How about don't do it at all? Any reference is going to get something that people will find offensive wrong.
>> No. 114289
>>114277
>Mako never apologizes to Bolin for getting with Korra while knowing that Bolin liked her.
Are you talking about the kiss or are you talking about them getting together? He DOES say "I'm sorry" in the fifth episode, at Bolin, but he doesn't specifically say what for (even though all signs point towards it being about him kissing Korra), so I guess you're just going to say he's apologizing for that one thing he did five years ago and is now just remembering, because Mako never thinks about anyone other than himself.

About getting together with Korra, he doesn't owe Bolin an apology for that. Korra didn't like Bolin in that way, even if she and Mako never hooked up that didn't mean Borra was going to happen.

>Mako never apologizes to Korra for threatening to break off all ties with Korra when she accuses Hiroshi.
Yes he does.

>Mako never apologizes to Asami for cheating on her. Instead he apologizes for "things getting messed up."
It was a badly handled moment on the writers' part but if you really think Mako wasn't sincere about what he said, the guy who isn't used to being more emotional on an average basis, you're dumb.

The thing is, Mako says he's sorry quite a few times. He just doesn't go into some long-winded rant about how much of an idiot he is for fucking up, or he doesn't go out of his way to explain WHAT he's apologizing for because THE PEOPLE HE'S TALKING TO KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. YES, if you aren't willing to forgive someone with a simple "I'm sorry" you can demand to know what they're sorry about but newsflash: none of these people were angry enough at Mako to demand he verbally flagellate himself until they forgave him. They, you know, value their relationships with Mako more than the idea of getting back at him, something that this fandom can't seem to fathom.

>>114281
> He ended season 1 a creep
lol

>it's hypocritical of him to give that advice without contextualizing it because it's not within his own experience.
So, the guy who actually did the fucking up in the relationship and realizing is not allowed to give advice because he's the bad guy, okay. Again, this fandom cannot fathom the idea of these characters having actual human flaws, I wonder how they interact with other humans on a regular basis.

Also, WHY would he need to contextualize it? Bolin knew what he was fucking talking about. WE KNEW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

>>114278
She's technically white passing. If you showed her picture to someone who isn't familiar with Avatar (and possibly anime), they'd either think she's white or possibly Latina.
>> No. 114290
>>114286
>We shouldn't do something because it might upset people
>> No. 114291
>>114290
I'm sorry what the fuck does him not being named Mako affect again? Was it nothing? Nothing, yeah? Nothing?
>> No. 114292
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>>114289
This is that same stupid argument about what race anime characters are. These people are Ring of Fire-based fantasy races and Asami is clearly the most Japanese out of all of them and they're white as hell when they stay out of the sun.
>> No. 114293
>>114292
Your average westerner doesn't think of long, curly hair and green eyes when they think of people of east Asian descent. Of course I'm not saying an Asian woman CAN'T have curly hair and green eyes, but the west on a whole is steeped in stereotypes. There's also the fact that Asami's design was based off of a white actress.

Someone who is familiar with anime style but not Avatar would probably be able to tell she's supposed to be of some fictive Asian-inspired race, but a lot of people wouldn't.

>>114291
Him being named Mako sure as hell hasn't affected anything, either. The real Mako had an extensive career and if you really think a less than perfect cartoon character being named after him mars the kinds of person he was, you're a moron.
>> No. 114303
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Look, it's a relatively new setting, with a new cast and a new protagonist that is vastly different from the original; I can understand a few hick-ups here and there. However, there really isn't that big of a margin of error for Korra herself here. There's no easy way to say this, so I'm going to right to the heart of it, nice and neat; Korra's the leading, LEADING (main, not secondary or supporting, main) protagonist who is not only female, but a person of color. Her behavior and level of competence are thus, potentially detrimental to seeing more of either of that in western animation.
Now calm yourselves for a moment and think. After years of Caucasian, male protagonists (or of species too alien or fantastic for conventional categorization) pervading cartoons, suddenly the TLOK announcement and teaser image came along; The new Avatar's going to be a Water Tribe girl, and a rather fit one at that! Finally, a chance to show the viability of female lead outside of Disney movies and animes, something action-oriented and conservatively dressed in lieu of the princess, tokenism and fanservice sets. Imagine the SJ crowd's delight, followed by their mixed apprehension as the first season went underway. While Aang was far, far, far from perfect, Korra's flaws and failures are easily more pronounced. This can be attributed to the show's more condensed running time (12 eps vs. 20), but the multitude of plot threads and desire to establish the setting forced the removal of all subtlety from what could have been a decent character arc. You may find yourself thinking, "Social awkwardness, issues with authority, living up to legacies, learning new skills, romantic entanglements? All this is hardly unprecedented, why such a fuss in this particular instance?" You'd be right in thinking that none of those predicaments are particularly new, but the protagonist going through them is.
The makers have to be applauded for attempting to tackle such heavy issues in TLOK, but when you fail or tepidly perform in delivering upon those themes, it's pretty glaring. These shortcomings don't do Korra's image any favors since as she's intimately tied to the motifs, happenings and resolutions of the story. The narrative's flaws are unfairly piled onto her own, making them appear worse. Thus, Korra being so unique works against her, as it appears to the impulsive mind that switching from a more traditional kid hero to a vastly unconventional one results in these inadequacies. So in the harsh criticism camps you have the rash individuals who attribute TLOK's missteps to Korra being so different from the norm, and the smarter, if no less incensed fans who thought that this revolutionary (a tragically apt distinction) protagonist would be above such pitfalls and her uniqueness was indicative of bold, new stories to come instead of clumsy retreads of old concepts. There’s the common retort that everyone wanted different things from Korra, but the people in that aforementioned latter party were all ready on cloud 9 when they saw her design, and all of them wanted this aesthetic summation of progress to do the same thing: Not mess up and make everything tied to her look bad.
Is it a bit unfair that all that expectation and scrutiny fell on a single character? Yes, but the way she was designed and hyped, you could hardly expect a different outcome. Some would say that Korra’s difficulties are an attempt at deconstructing the ‘tough, action girl’ trope, but in the context of western animation, that archetype is usually held by a side character distinct from the chief protagonist. In that respect, Korra is a rather new entity. To illustrate, it’s like opening up an issue of Action Comics #1 in the 1930s only to see the Plutonian, the Homelander or Kid Marvelman wrecking havoc within its pages. Superman was built on previous strong man myths, but in terms of being a tights-wearing, caped superhero, he was unique. People have been taking apart and analyzing his character and make-up for years because they had this simple, firm test object to refer to. With Korra, who is perhaps even more innovative in her medium, she came to the public shattered instead of whole, and there has been great debate as to how she and her show could be fixed or could do better or if their condition is all that bad to begin with. It’s akin to a meta-singularity wherein people aren’t taking bits of the program and trying to spin out new stories, but are instead scouring what’s there and trying to salvage what in their mind’s could’ve been a work of sublime greatness and import. Again, I must commend the writers for taking a chance with her in preference to giving all the difficult trials and issues to a Sokka or Jack Sparrow type character to play with. I’m of the mind that her character design was a substantial risk (if a bit reasonable due to their reputation garnered from ATLA) and ultimately sufficient, and they really should have played it safer in the other aspects of the show.
>> No. 114305
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>>114303
>an actual quality post
>> No. 114306
>>114303
Wow, this is really damn good post re: the negative/critical reactions to Korra. I'm impressed.
>> No. 114307
>>114303
Dang.

I was never really one for getting heavily involved in fandoms before now, so maybe the prevalent attitude in the LOK fanbase isn't anything new or rare and I know ultimately a bunch of angry college-aged fans aren't really going to make an impression on things, but I wonder what, if any effects the show could end up causing.
>> No. 114308
>>114303
Great points made on the whole thing, but it's pretty hard to read without being broken up into smaller paragraphs.
>> No. 114309
>>114303
But it still begs the question, is grading the show, and more specifically the protagonists on the same metric really unfair? And if so, why? Because Korra is a woman of color? Isn't being judged by the standards of her predecessor a good thing, and a step towards equality?

It just strikes me as odd because I can still vividly remember people complaining that a 12 year old boy didn't want to commit regicide and saying that was a mark of bad writing. Is that really different from some of the criticisms Korra gets? And if they're undeserved, what makes them so?


Especially considering that Korra's being a female of color really only matters in the meta sense. No one within the universe treats her any differently due to her gender or her skin color, indeed they have no reason to and no metric with which to consider her any different since there have been plenty of waterbenders, women in positions of power, and avatars that were both; everything about Korra runs the gamut except for her personality.

So in that sense, shouldn't we also be (or at least try to be) gender and colorblind? I worry that just as there might be a tendency to judge Korra harshly because she's a brown woman, there might also be the opposite impulse, to forgive her actions more readily.
>> No. 114311
>>114309
I think he's trying to say that they should have focused on making a well-made, 'safe', whatever that means, 1st season as a base instead of what they ended up doing. Something passable, inoffensive but eye-catching like Avatar's first season.

>I worry that just as there might be a tendency to judge Korra harshly because she's a brown woman, there might also be the opposite impulse, to forgive her actions more readily

Yeah, it's like a monkey's paw. Though he is right that there aren't many main girl protagonists with Korra's skin tone in cartoons that weren't token.
>> No. 114312
>>114307
Well I wonder what they are angry about. The things that I see them complaining about are things that could come from a character that is aware of everyone's thoughts and feelings and that Korra isn't. She's a girl that spent a good amount of her life isolated and is now trying to branch out and some seek to exploit that.

I see this as all part of a story and that she's flawed and that is the point she's not supposed to be keen minded and perfect shes a girl still learning the world and she'll make mistakes big and small. As for colors and whatnot I could care less as long as the story is intact and decent and so far this one is.
>> No. 114314
>>114268
Keep in mind that the vast majority of the activism on tumblr is lip-service. They'll talk at great length about how much they want strong trans**** womyn of color in media, but expect them to be fawning exclusively over the handsome white actor from the latest fandom movie.
>> No. 114316
>>114312
Character flaws are only useful as a writing tool if:

1) Characters within the universe regard them as flaws
2) The universal narrative paints the flaws in a negative light
3) There are consequences to the actions motivated by these flaws

The problem with Korra as a series is that it has a tendency to waffle on these points, least of all because of how easily things tended to work out for her, because the plot mandated they would and because there were so few episodes.

When Amon has to go full James Bond "I could easily kill you now but won't" in order for there to be an entire second half to the season, someone dropped the ball somewhere.
>> No. 114317
>>114312
She doesn't act like someone who spent most of their life isolated. She would probably be way more excited about actually getting out of the city and seeing some other parts of the world that aren't the air temple island or her southern home where she no doubt went to a whole lot of glacier spirits festivals; why is she so eager to do anything but actually see the world if she's so tired of being cramped up all the time?
>> No. 114318
>>114317
>why is she so eager to do anything but actually see the world if she's so tired of being cramped up all the time?

Because she has a boyfriend? For somebody who hasn't seen much of the world, but knows certain parts of it very well, it would likely mean a lot to Korra for Mako to attend the festival with her. Especially since, generally speaking, Mako is the more worldly of the two.

Though, if such is the case, I do think that it could have been better shown. Same as if it was just simple homesickness.
>> No. 114319
>>114318
Oh yeah young people never go on trips together by themselves.
>> No. 114320
For christ's sakes am I the only one who appreciates the ridiculousness of this situation? They literally have as a friend someone with access to unlimited travel by boat, plane, attack blimp, and car, and she's doing what... screwing around with the Airbender children. This is supposed to be believable? Who's in charge of this shit?
>> No. 114323
>>114319
People with rather strict and stern guardians (like, say, Tenzin) often don't, no. Even then, most would prefer to go in the company of friends, and since all of Korra's friends are typically tied up doing something in RC, it's not exactly as though any of the characters really have the opportunity to go out and travel.

>>114320
They have a 'friend' (and seriously, we have no idea how well Asami still gets along with Mako and Korra) who is trying to save her entire business, and has more important things to be spending money on than letting her friends live a jet set lifestyle. Then, there's still the fact that Tenzin is acting as Korra's guardian, so if he doesn't want her to go, the chances of her being allowed to are slim to begin with.
>> No. 114324
>>114323
What's he going to do? Send the cops after her? Is she not 18 yet? Did that not happen in the year it's been since the start of the series? Did she not age? Is the age of independence in Republic City 21?
>> No. 114328
>>114324
She's seventeen. And I don't think Korra is so rebellious she would leave the city against Tenzin's wishes.

In fact, did Korra ever express a desire to leave the city at all? Why are we even having this conversation? Korra didn't want to go to the Air Temples because it would just mean more meditation and training under Tenzin. It wasn't because she didn't want to travel or see the world or whatever it is we're discussing. This argument is stupid.
>> No. 114330
>>114316

Pretty much have to disagree with all three of those points. I mean, simply because we find the flaws negative doesn't mean the outcome in-universe will be. That's just boxing the narrative into personal expectations.

Hell, a lot of times in real life so-called 'flaws' actually help people succeed, it's just not something we like to believe. Is it any surprise then that a more realistic narrative would follow this line of thinking?

It's why I found all that outrage about Mako in the first season so bemusing. The romance was awkward and messy like romances tend to be...and everyone threw their rattles out of the pram because it couldn't be resolved like a fairtale and someone had to be the loser- the loser in this case being was someone with such little development that it was easy to put her on a pedestal.

If anything, we should've seen more of Asami's flaws than take them off anyone else.
>> No. 114335
>>114330
I really think a lot of negativity regarding the Mako situation stems from the fact a good chunk of the online fanbase, which is partially composed of tumblr-going newbie feminists who think every time a man screws up due to a human flaw but ultimately gets a "good" ending is the worst offense ever committed and a lot of nerdy types who hate guys like Mako.

The love drama didn't make a lot of my friends, who have social lives outside of the internet, even blink. Most of their thoughts were along the lines of Mako should have fessed up earlier regarding his feelings but whatever, this sort of stuff happens outside of cartoons too.

Nobody is disagreeing that Mako screwed up, or that the breakup could have been done better, but if there's one thing the love triangle DID get right is that they suck. There's nothing wacky or funny about them, there really isn't some bitchy "other woman" who dared to steal your man (though I don't believe Korra ever legitimately thought that about Asami, she just disregarded her feelings) and that it's very, VERY easy to make things worse than they already are.

I've also seen lots of complaints about the cloudkids' (the first generation) problems, which I find pretty bizarre because it was again one of the more realistic moments of the show. I guess it's like you said, the fanbase wanted a fairy tale situation.
>> No. 114337
>>114330

No, people's problems with Mako in the first season is that he's a douchebag who faced no consequences or repercussions, and who the series went out of it's way to present as the most awesome dude ever. There's also the fact that his sudden feelings for Korra got shoved down our throats at the expense of the rest of the characters. When Korra gets kidnapped, he's the only focus to get her back. He's with Korra's mentor and the chief of police, and yet he pretty much takes the lead in her search despite both of them being infinitely more qualified. Dude threatens to burn an already defeated equalist who is cowering in front of him, and no one calls him out - not Lin the responsible policewoman, not Tenzin the peaceful and wise mentor, not his nonbending girlfriend, and not his brother who is supposedly his moral center.

Then in the finale, Noatok who hates himself and his bending so much that he's started a crusade to debend everyone, stops and compliments Mako's bending. Noatok has never done this before, and the dude hates bending. Why the fuck is this in here except to grind in how cool Mako is? Then at the end after Mako spent over half the season being an asshole to whichever girl he wasn't interested in at the moment, and after he was a complete dick to his girlfriend and caused all the problems in their relationship, he get's to end it on his own terms and run off with the other girl. Both of them are totally ok with this.

Mako in season 1 is a terrible character. That's totally fine if the show actually addressed it. The dude's got a ton of storytelling potential, and his faults would be hella interesting to explore if they actually explored them. Even after all of this his character can be redeemed to all but the most ardent of Mako haters. They just gotta stop treating him as their super cool tribute character and instead as a dude who's got some issues he needs to address. Issues that are actually quite understandable given his background, and if presented well would make him extremely sympathetic. I've already got some hope for this from Bolin calling him out in a joke in ep 3, and those shorts about him and Bolin were fantastic and gave them both a lot of depth and sympathy.

I really want to see that anger explored - Mako's VA sounds best when he's seething, and I'd like to see more of his shady past and see some of his past (understandable) actions come back to haunt him. One of their brainstorms mentioned in the art book was that Lighting Bolt Zolt taught Mako to lightening bend, you don't just teach that kind of thing to an upstart kid. I think Mako hid from Bolin just how deep he was in, and I wanna find out more about this. I want to like Mako. I liked him back in episodes 2-4, and I'm starting to warm up to him again.
>> No. 114340
>>114330
The only thing I object to about the Makorra romance, and Mako's role in it, was the fact that it pretty much pushed all of Mako's other characteristics to the side.

But yeah, I've also always been confused by the immense hatred directed at Mako due to the entire love triangle when to me, it felt more like his role in the narrative suffered just as much (if not more so) than Bolin's.
>> No. 114341
>>114340
It would've been kinda fun to have scenes of Korra teaching Mako and Bolin "proper" bending, since that's what she's learned so far in her training, while they taught her what they'd learned from street fighting.
>> No. 114344
>>114337
>That's totally fine if the show actually addressed it.
Well, there was a half-hearted dig at it last episode.
Not that I think it helps.
Frankly, season 2 Mako seems to be a completely different guy.
If I didn't know any better, I'd say that instead of addressing peoples beef with the guy, they simply changed him to a be beyond any of the previous criticsm.
Which is also kinda insulting to the audience in its own way.
Like a guy denying he shat on your carpet when he's still standing there with his pants down.

Also, it makes Mako such a non-character.
>> No. 114346
>>114337
>No, people's problems with Mako in the first season is that he's a douchebag who faced no consequences or repercussions, and who the series went out of it's way to present as the most awesome dude ever. There's also the fact that his sudden feelings for Korra got shoved down our throats at the expense of the rest of the characters. When Korra gets kidnapped, he's the only focus to get her back. He's with Korra's mentor and the chief of police, and yet he pretty much takes the lead in her search despite both of them being infinitely more qualified. Dude threatens to burn an already defeated equalist who is cowering in front of him, and no one calls him out - not Lin the responsible policewoman, not Tenzin the peaceful and wise mentor, not his nonbending girlfriend, and not his brother who is supposedly his moral center.

Gosh, it was almost like he was a teenager who had a history of losing the people he loved and now faced the possibility of losing the girl he loved -- but hadn't yet recognized those feelings for her beyond just liking her -- to a terrorist cell WHOSE PRIMARY GOAL WAS HURTING HER? Good GOD, it's like he reacted like any normal human being WHO ISN'T TRAINED TO DEAL WITH THESE SITUATIONS (golly, that almost explains why Lin and Tenzin were so calm!). Why the FUCK WOULD LIN CALL HIM OUT ON TRYING TO HURT A TERRORIST? No, Mako! Don't hurt the guy who willingly joined the organization dedicated to kidnapping and harming a specific type of people and won't hesitate to hurt anyone else who stands in their way! It's just, you know, they might have the person in charge of keeping the fucking planet in balance locked up in a cell somewhere with her bending already taken away!!

>hen in the finale, Noatok who hates himself and his bending so much that he's started a crusade to debend everyone, stops and compliments Mako's bending. Noatok has never done this before, and the dude hates bending. Why the fuck is this in here except to grind in how cool Mako is?

Why is it Mako's fault that a terrorist complimented him?? OH NO MAKO, DON'T TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GRAB KORRA AND TRY TO GET AWAY FROM THE PSYCHOPATH WHO CAN BLOODBEND WITH HIS FUCKING MIND, YOU'LL LOOK TOO COOL! It's not like your character in a kids' cartoon where the main characters are of the extraordinary variety and are known to pull stints like that out of their asses in the last second!! It's not like a 14 year old girl didn't pick up bloodbending in about five seconds or a little blind girl didn't discover a new form of bending within the span of maybe four hours in the series before this one!! Stop being a special snowflake!!

Also, Noatak didn't hate his bending.
>> No. 114347
>>114337

I don't quite understand the "Amon complimented his bending" issue. I had just taken it as a "Ahaha...you clever little bastard, that was actually good. I almost feel bad I'm gonna annihilate you, now (Not.)" I just personally don't feel Amon was being absolutely sincere, since it didn't manage to actually stop him, just surprise him.
>> No. 114348
>>114346
And just saying: you can dislike Mako for the romance plot, he DID screw up (although saying he treated Korra and Asami like shit are gross over-exaggerations but whatever), but holy shit STOP ragging on the guy for shit like threatening to hurt the goddamn terrorist. HE WAS A TERRORIST.
>> No. 114349
>>114348
Yeah, Mako just did his American duty!
>> No. 114350
>>114340
The reason why we hate Mako so much, I think, is actually due to late-stage dev changes to Asami's role in the story--how she was originally conceived as a protagonist who would betray the group, and what pieces of that remain in the story despite the later decision to keep her as a hero.

Originally, she would have served as the Jolene to Korra's Dolly Parton; she's more feminine, more intelligent, and has a hell of a lot more money than Korra could ever hope for. But her motivation for getting involved with Mako was really to get closer to the Avatar, to lead her into her father's trap; whether or not their romance was "real" or if she had just been acting the part would have probably been ambiguous, leading the viewers to see Korra as the rightful "winner" of the love triangle and Mako/Asami having been broken up permanently--and justifiably--when Asami turned on them. It's kind of a tired way of resolving a love triangle, but it is simple and probably would have worked, and Mako would definitely not have come across as much of a jerk.

Then they got too attached to her, maybe decided the "get rid of the rival by turning them into a villain" thing was something they no longer wanted to do, so they rewrote the later bits of the plot to include Asami in them. Unfortunately they didn't rewrite most of these scenes entirely, so she's often just kind of tacked on while things go on as they did in the first place, leading to things like the infamous sequence where Mako and Korra have a romantic moment RIGHT BESIDE Asami as she sleeps, while Mako and Asami are still technically an item. And in the final version, Asami is a genuinely kind person who chose to do what's Right and fight against her own father who has been morally blinded by the death of his beloved wife. She gave up pretty much everything she had for Korra, and she's shown to be conflicted and grieving about her choice, but she hardly gets any support from Korra or Mako. That's actually when he starts showing more obvious interest in Korra because that's what the original no-Asami script called for.

Looking at his actions as if Asami hadn't been present, he's really not that much of a dickhead. He just got strangled very badly by narrative blunders. If they wanted to keep Asami as a hero (which I think is great that they did actually) they really should have axed the love triangle aspect because it dragged all three of them down. Especially Mako. They probably didn't because they dedicated the entire fourth episode to love triangle shit and would have had to rework too much to fix the gaping hole its excision would leave, which is understandable really... but if it was too difficult at that point in development, they probably should have stuck to the original vision of Asami. Or at least, have her betray them midway but feel bad about it and make it up to them in the final battle or something like that. Something that didn't require her to be with the group between the Secret Platinum Robot Basement incident and the endgame, and would have made it clear that she was no longer Mako's girlfriend.
>> No. 114351
>>114348

A terrorist who was cowering and completely at his mercy. Just because he's a villain doesn't mean your hero can threaten to melt his face off. Not only that, but he didn't even know where Korra was. Like I said, this could have been a really cool moment, if someone had called Mako out on it - you know, like the peaceful pacifist mentor or the responsible cop that just stood behind him and let him do his thing.

>>114344

I can see that, but I'm holding out to reserve judgement until the season's over. I did the same with Book 1, The Promise, and now with The Search too.

>>114346

It's their responsibility to call him out because they're the heroes; they can't always be perfect, that's bad storytelling, but the show needs to at least acknowledge that they aren't truly being heroic. And damn, having Tenzin of all people be ok with this is just plain out of character for the guy! To contrast, look at The Southern Raiders. Zuko doesn't call out Katara, but the entire episode frames both of their actions as horrible. Katara is a hero, but she fell into a horribly dark place and the entire episode is about how she's letting revenge overtake her. She does and says some horrible things, but that's the point and something she has to grow from. Mako 's actions in finding Korra are never called out by the narrative; they're just meant to show how much he loves her. Nevermind that in episode 3 he's stayed cool under pressure to find and save his beloved little brother who is the only family he has left.

And is it Mako's fault Amon called him amazing? No, but Mako isn't a real person, he's a fictional character. I don't have any problem with Mako outside of being boring and not written to his potential. I do have a problem with the narrative playing favorites with him - hence my complaints about him being a douche that faces no consequences, and this is one of many examples. I love douchebag characters when they're 1) meant to be douchebags and 2) get some kind of comeuppance. And I do have a problem when characters such as Amon and Tenzin act completely out of character, so that the spotlight can shine on Mako. And they even write Mako inconsistently so that this can happen, which isn't fair to him.

You seem to think I just hate Mako, which I don't. Did you even read the last part of my original post? I'd love to see them delve into his issues and past. Dude's got a ton of storytelling potential if they actually address his faults (which I am actually optimistic for).
>> No. 114352
>>114351
>A terrorist who was cowering and completely at his mercy.
Who cares? For all we fucking know Lin would have been just as brutal with him if she had gotten a hold of him first and she felt like he was holding out information or lying.

>Just because he's a villain doesn't mean your hero can threaten to melt his face off.
Uh, yes you can, especially if you have a past like Mako and it's a situation where the safety of the Avatar is the matter at hand.

>Not only that, but he didn't even know where Korra was. Like I said, this could have been a really cool moment, if someone had called Mako out on it - you know, like the peaceful pacifist mentor or the responsible cop that just stood behind him and let him do his thing.
Yeah it's not possible the guy could have been *lying*. He is just part of a terrorist group which you seem to keep brushing off as not being a big deal.

What would have been better instead of calling the emotionally challenged teenager out in a moment where his attitude is justifiable would be Lin or Tenzin just putting a hand on his shoulder and giving him a look that says he needs to calm down while *also* be reassuring, because yes it's a really fucking tense situation to be in.

>Nevermind that in episode 3 he's stayed cool under pressure to find and save his beloved little brother who is the only family he has left.
He says in the episode *it happens to Bolin a lot*. That doesn't mean he isn't worried, he's just used to it. And back then, Amon was just known as some creepy guy in a mask who ran a gang of angry non-benders, not the head of a movement dedicated to wiping out bending with the funding of a millionaire and access to electric gloves, platinum mechas and who knew what else.

Mako gets called out on being a jerk plenty of times, or we're at least made clear through other character's actions that they're less than pleased by what he's doing. And in most of these cases, he apologizes for his behavior.
>> No. 114353
>>114350
I agree that it's due to narrative blunder, and that Asami's changed role in the story from it's conception is one of the causes, but I also feel that part of it is how they made Mako fit his role as Korra's love interest.

I think he clearest example here is the stark contrast between when Bolin goes missing, and when Korra does. In the former's case, he was evidently worried but still mostly calm and collected. With the latter, he just lost it - and it seemed too stark a contrast to his behaviour in earlier episodes. Yes, the stakes at risk with Korra's disappearance were greater, but it felt a hackneyed way to try and a) show how much he cared for Korra, and b) create a wedge between him and Asami. The second point is only further reinforced by Bolin's almost causal revelation that the two had kissed whilst Mako was still with Asami.

Either way, whatever the reasoning behind it, I think the majority of the hatred aimed at Mako is because he is, to most members of the fandom/hatedom/whatever-it-is-dom, a nicely tied up package to everything they disliked about LoK. Be it the perceived lack of decent fight scenes and complaints about probending, the apparent butchering of the martial arts style that so many loved about A:tLA, the shambolic love triangle, the poor pacing and even just a general sens eof disappointment because they think LoK could have been 'more'. Whatever complaint someone has about the show, Mako can always be brought up as a point of reference, so people naturally shift their ire to him.
>> No. 114354
>>114335

I'LL deny that Mako screwed-up. He was just resolving the situation. A situation admittedly caused by his own emotions, but then what'd you prefer he do? Lie to himself to stick with Asami, get even more committed in the relationship before breaking up with her? I couldn't really see that being any better. Given the circumstances, he made the best call available.
>> No. 114355
>>114352

You seem to be missing my point. It isn't that Mako did something horrible, it's how it was presented. Heroes do flawed things, that's what makes them interesting. But when their narrative fails to address that they do bad things, it's just makes it frustrating. And this isn't just one event, it's one of many where Mako does shitty things and doesn't face consequences.

Do I need to state it again how I don't just irrationally hate the guy? I am completely honest when I say I want to see them delve into his character more. He has got a ton of promise, but the first season pretty much just glossed over his issues and tried to present him as the cool guy tribute character. I only hated him because he was written poorly. I am totally open to liking him in the later seasons if they do something interesting with him. He's already had some growth, and Bolin at least called him out on his shitty past behavior, so I am optimistic.
>> No. 114356
>>114352
>Who cares? For all we fucking know Lin would have been just as brutal with him if she had gotten a hold of him first and she felt like he was holding out information or lying.
...and once again I have to explain the social contract to antisocial nerds who just want to watch "heroes" kill people. Law enforcement is allowed to get away with shit like that because they are accountable. If Lin goes beyond the scope of what the people of Republic City consider a fair way of dealing with a problem, she can be stripped of her authority and prosecuted for it. Paperwork is made any time she apprehends a criminal explaining the situation, why it merited the actions it did, and which officers were involved. Accountability is the only thing that makes it okay for law enforcement to apprehend and deal with criminal elements.

Korra, or any other Avatar for that matter, or for that matter any superheroes who don't work for a government and either fill out lots of paperwork or have secretaries who do so for them, are not really accountable to anyone. With her power, Korra could easily take power for herself and impose her will on the world regardless of law or the will of the people. This is tyranny. And it is why she cannot just kill willy-nilly like a video game power fantasy character.

Even with a paper trail and accountability, it's very easy for Law Enforcement to engage in tyranny, but these are the things that make it possible for it not to be tyranny.

Your idea of justice is childish.
>> No. 114357
>>114354
Well, he screwed up about not telling Asami about the kiss, though people seem to confuse his intentions behind it. What they THINK is that he wanted to keep playing both Asami and Korra, even though Korra clearly said that she wanted to remain just friends with Mako and kept her distance from him after the fifth episode. When, in reality, he just didn't want to hurt Asami and he and Korra mutually (and silently it seems) decided to just let the kiss be forgotten as a mistake. That doesn't make him not telling her any much better, but I don't think it makes him a sleazy asshole.
>> No. 114358
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>>114354
He screwed up very badly several times with Asami. Nobody's mad about him just because of how he broke up with her, it's more about what he did BEFORE he broke up with her. Those mistakes aren't erased just because he decided to drop it after stringing her along for so long.
>> No. 114359
>>114356
I don't want to see heroes kill people, what I am saying is calling out Mako in that moment, given his past, his personality and the circumstances would have been utterly stupid. What I WOULD have liked is for someone to step forward and try to get him to calm down without insulting him, because it was a very tense moment for all of them to be in and I do agree with the notion that it would have been nice for someone other than Mako to a be bit more upfront in their concern for Korra.

And Lin wasn't a cop by the time of this episode, she even says in the seventh episode she's going to start working OUTSIDE the law. Under normal circumstances, yeah, that and Mako threatening to burn off a guy's face would have been bad, but these were not normal circumstances. The Equalists had gone from creepy but harmless cult status to a terrorist movement that's always one step ahead of their pursuers, has access to new and dangerous technology that is being INVENTED by them, so they're the only ones who have it and they're being funded by a multi-millionaire. It's also a group of people whose goal is to prosecute, harm and wipe out another group of people and are not afraid to hurt other non-benders if they need to.

What would have been the point of calling Mako out in THAT specific moment? To teach him he's not so great and can't get away with threatening a terrorist who may be withholding information concerning the safety of the Avatar? After EVERYTHING the Equalists put people through, and were going to put them through in the upcoming episodes, do you really think anyone is going to care that a teenager threatened one of them with physical violence?
>> No. 114360
>>114359
>I don't want to see heroes kill people, what I am saying is calling out Mako in that moment, given his past, his personality and the circumstances would have been utterly stupid. What I WOULD have liked is for someone to step forward and try to get him to calm down without insulting him, because it was a very tense moment for all of them to be in and I do agree with the notion that it would have been nice for someone other than Mako to a be bit more upfront in their concern for Korra.

I agree with this completely. At this point, I hope the writers decide to return to this in the future with a similar situation, and have him grow from it.
>> No. 114361
>>114354
To be honest, I'd argue that Mako did scew up, but so too did Asami and Korra. Even Bolin, too.

It was, altogether, a very messy situation, without any kind of solution that wouldn't have screwed someone over, and it was ultimately everybody's fault.
>> No. 114362
I reject the notion that I have to like Mako just because he's there.
>> No. 114363
>>114362
A good thing, then, since only an imbecile which support such a notion.
>> No. 114364
>>114362
I just ignore him akin to how Padme was ignorable. yep just tuning him out when relationship stuff comes up.
>> No. 114365
>>114358

And what did he do before he broke up with her? He didn't initiate that kiss. Should he have told her about it? Perhaps, but I can certainly understand why he didn't.

Being protective of Korra? He's a protective kinda guy when it comes to people he gives a shit about. I would expect much the same kind of flip-shitting if Asami'd been the one taken. Rude to Asami for him to be so focused on someone else? Not really, the situation was a bit more urgent than romance, and, also, that's the kind of man she signed up for. Perhaps she didn't know that, but then that's more a process of discovering shit about your partner than it being Mako being a jerk.

No, he seems to be operating comfortably within the parameters of 'a guy'. Perhaps that's what's made so many shut-in cartoon-watchers hate him so much, eh?
>> No. 114367
>>114365
It really just comes down to him not telling Asami about the kiss, him denying some very obvious feelings for Korra (it doesn't help he tells her he realizes he loved her when she went missing, but the next episode he's denying it. I don't know if it was a slip up or he realized it but he kept trying to ignore it for Asami's sake, or if he realized it some point after and her going missing was the catalyst for 'like' becoming 'love'), and a shaky breakup. We knew that Mako basically made his "choice" when he said he as going with Korra to face Amon, Asami knew it too, which is what lead to a more subtle breakup because his previous decision told Asami everything she needed to know. We didn't really get to see the moment where Mako decided that yeah, he loved Korra more than Asami and he would need to break up with her.
>> No. 114368
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114368
>Fandumb complaint thread turns into an example of fandumb

Why +/a/? Why?
>> No. 114369
>>114367
Its quite the pickle to have things come off without actively stating things. I've seen it a couple of times in novels done well and sometimes done poorly. This is kinda the middle of the road since one party is still in the winds at the moment and doesn't have anyone to go to or look as if they could be a choice but that comes in part of her redevelopment possibly. Overall its done better than average.

>>114368
least its not someone spamming them and its being discussed more reasonably then other places.
>> No. 114370
>>114365
No, it was when he started pawing her grotesquely when she showed up hurt then didn't get more than three feet away from her for the rest of the series and never kept his hands off of her for an entire scene once then got pissed off when Asami noticed because apparently Mako is above the petty morality of mortals.
>> No. 114371
>>114370
>it was when he started pawing her grotesquely when she showed up hurt
Really?

>apparently Mako is above the petty morality of mortals.
Yeah, Mako REALLY thinks this about himself.
>> No. 114374
>>114371
To get upset at his girlfriend because he doesn't like him being literally all over another woman without telling her why means that yes, Mako is basically an egotistical sociopath.
>> No. 114375
>>114370

That is outright intentionally misinterpreting that scene for the purpose of starting shit. You've been acting this way for the entire thread, are you honestly ever gonna shape up? We have better things to waste time on.
>> No. 114377
>>114374
>Mako is basically an egotistical sociopath.

Oh, I know who you are.
>> No. 114378
>>114377
Who am I?
>> No. 114379
>>114370

Dude, I've been arguing this whole time that the Mako of season one is a douche in need of some serious character growth and exploration, but this is just goddamn retarded. The reason people aren't taking legitimate complaints about Mako's character seriously is because of reactive idiots like you. He's not the worst horrible thing to exist; he's a asshole teenager. Lotta people were asshole teenagers and grew out of it. The show just has to let him and acknowledge that what he did wasn't right. Looks like they're trying to do so; we'll see how well it's done.
>> No. 114381
>>114379
How, by making Bolin bring it up? Bolin means nothing. His actions are as insignificant as those of Momo and his zinger to Mako carried no weight whatsoever because he's a joke character. They wanted to assuage the people offended by Mako but do it in such a way that it didn't affect anything so they had Bolin do it because he's irrelevant.
>> No. 114382
>>114381

We're three episodes in.
>> No. 114383
>>114382
Well I guess I'll just wait quietly for them to reverse their position of being 100% supportive of everything Mako does.
>> No. 114384
>>114381
>>114383
Well for starters they were already working on book 2 when book 1 started airing, so no, they were not trying to placate anyone in the fanbase by having Bolin bring it up. IF they were to do so, which I doubt they will because they really don't give a shit what the fanbase actually wants (and another revelation: most creators of anything don't, because while they want their fans to be happy it's ultimately THEIR story so they're going to do what they want first and foremost) it would most likely be in book 3 or 4, and at that point in the timeline it'll likely have been over a year since all that happened, so... why bring it up? To please some bitter fans? Yeah, right.

And when Bryke "defended" Mako, it was mostly against people like you -- who thinks a teenage boy who didn't have a normal upbringing screwing up in a relationship makes him a sociopath. They never said it's okay to do these things, they were saying Mako's a human being who fucked up.
>> No. 114388
>>114383
Who knows, it may just happen yet.

For the first three episodes of season one that we saw him in, Mako was a pretty cool guy. Everything went to shit after that thoough, and thus far this season, I'd say Mako hasn't really done anything dickish.
>> No. 114400
>>114381

1) Bolin's great zinger still has weight even though it's a joke.

2) Mako's advice, while worded unfortunately, boiled down to him having learned somewhat from his experiences.

I really don't like Mako, but your vitriolic hatred of him is absolutely ridiculous. If he goes through the entire rest of the show as he was in book 1, then yeah he's an irredeemably shitty character. However, there's 3 storyarcs left, so it's very possible Book 1 can end up as the disappointing season of an otherwise fantastic show. It's also possible that Mako can develop and grow, and we'll look back at book 1 as that time when Mako was shitty and obnoxious. Or maybe with the full context he and the first season may work better. Korra's has had a huge amount of character growth in just the first 3 episodes of book 2, so it's still possible for Mako. From the trailer it looks like Mako will have some kind of storyarc back in RC, and the scenes we've seen haven't involved Korra. We'll hopefully get some good development from him outside the context of their romance. Also it looks like from the trailer his storyline will involve Asami, so maybe they'll have the talk they should have had in book 1. I don't want to drag out the love triangle any more, but considering how it went down, some things do need to get addressed.
>> No. 114402
>>114316
Let's not forget that if a character is meant to have had some personal growth they shouldn't go back to having the same flaws as soon as the writer needs them to.

>>114350
I guess that's what happens when you don't think through the impact of your changes on the story.

>>114359
While torturing criminals may appeal to retards that doesn't make it right. Torture isn't as effective as the right wing media claims it is.

Also if the "good guys" start torturing criminal with their bending the this will just give Amon more propaganda to use against them. He could also use this to justify torturing benders.

Try thinking through the implications of what you're calling for.
>> No. 114406
>>114405
>Let's not forget that if a character is meant to have had some personal growth they shouldn't go back to having the same flaws as soon as the writer needs them to.
Personal growth is based on periods of improvement and relapse until healthy patterns can emerge, and even if they get a lot better at controlling it, most people never get over their worst features entirely--they just learn to be better at avoiding the situations that trigger them.

Look at chemical dependence--the most successful recovered addicts will often tell you that they never really got over their addiction, they just learned to not put themselves in situations where their addiction could take hold. You rarely see people who go from full blown alcoholic to "have a glass of champagne at weddings every now and again."

Only in the land of bad fiction writers do people have a single epiphany and then never repeat bad behavior again. And this has lead audience members who think they're good writers to get angry when writers don't write like hacks. Like moviegoers who get mad when horse hooves don't sound like coconuts being knocked together.
>> No. 114407
>>114402
>While torturing criminals may appeal to retards that doesn't make it right.

I never said anything about Mako torturing anyone. I never said it's the right thing to do. We don't know if he really would have gone through with it, or if anyone else standing there would have let him. Again, what I am saying is Mako THREATENING (not actually HURTING) the Equalist with physical violence, given his character, background and the situation at hand is an understandable human reaction and it doesn't make him a scumbag and anyone "calling him out" on it makes no fucking sense.

You keep going on about ethics and being the better person and how Lin needs to adhere to the law WHEN SHE SAYS TWO EPISODES EARLIER SHE'S WORKING OUTSIDE THE LAW NOW. I mean damn, earlier in the same episode she pretty much waltzes into the station and illegally busts Mako and the others out. That doesn't really sound like whatever you've been describing.
>> No. 114408
>>114356
you really shouldn't be throwing the accusation of being childish around when you have to lace your arguments with petty schoolyard insults
>> No. 114409
>>114406

Bless you, anon. I wish more people got this.
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