>>115256
Seriously? You're going to try and pull this. Seriously.

>>115259
I'm dead serious. Was there subtext to season 1 that everyone but me saw?

>>115260
Probending was never the sole focus of an episode and almost always served as a backdrop to a bigger plot going on, the exception possibly being the sixth episode.

Romance was only the sole focus of one episode.

>>115263
They were both subplots that refused to go away and die for the entire series; the first half pro-bending and the second half "romance" and neither of them really added anything that made up for how much time and attention they took up or their deleterious effects to the rest of the narrative because everything was framed through them.

Why did Korra spontaneously develop airbending? To save Mako. Why did Korra get visisted by Aang and get everything back? Because her sense of self-worth was so tied up with playing stupid games and throwing her weight around that she couldn't think of a way to live without them.

>this fucking shit again

>AGAIN

>>115264
>They were both subplots that refused to go away and die for the entire series
Probending was over after the sixth episode.

>Because her sense of self-worth was so tied up with playing stupid games
Yeah, Korra was totally spiritual and enlightened and could separate herself from her identity as the Avatar before she came to Republic City, it all just went away the second she stepped into the arena.

>>115265
This is not how a character with internal motivation or inner strength or strength as a character in the sense of having well-defined traits would act and the criticism to which I have been responding asserted that Korra is such a character; which falls apart with ten seconds of analysis.

>>115267
Korra's internal motivation is spelled out within the first five minutes of book 1. She even says it out loud. To Katara.

>>115268
Her motivation is "be the Avatar". She may as well have said "I'm going to be me" except if that's the case why does she still think she has something to prove?

>>115267

>Her motivation is "be the Avatar". She may as well have said "I'm going to be me"

Now you're just straight trolling at this point. Get lost.

>>115269
>why does she still think she has something to prove?
Maybe it's because the Avatar who came before her ended a 100 year long war before he hit puberty and she is literally the most important person on the planet and, you know, it's because it's all she's ever known and six months of being "free" is not going to undo 13 years of what she went through.

>>115270
She is the Avatar. She accomplished that. She's not a strong character because she is chasing a self-fulfilling prophecy of never having more depth than the surface of her skin.

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>>115269

>except if that's the case why does she still think she has something to prove?

Because the Avatar has to prove itself capable since the fate of the world depends on it.

Enough.

This has pretty easily gone well past anything like a civil critique of the series and this isn't the first time I've had to ban this IP. You're fine to not like the show, but there aren't many here that are going to take kindly to being overly harsh on it, nor am I interested in watcing people endlessly argue over why you think we shouldn't either.

http://writingfail.tumblr.com/post/63838999379/who-the-fuck-was-that-a-rant-by-a-disgruntled-asami

Can't believe all of you are kicking an amnesiac minor while she's down instead of pointing out the somewhat self-inflicted plight of Miss Sato (Jr.)

>>115276

>writingfail

Speaking of pretentious assholes...

>>115277
Said the namefag

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>>115278

>"namefag"
>on plus4chan

Dohoho.

>>115275
Exiling people that don't like what you like? Korra fans sure are a vindictive bunch.

>>115278

>namefag

>>115244

Just catching up on the thread after my last post and thought I'd say I really like this post.

Now to continue to read and be disappointed.

Yep. Disappointed.

Just for the sake of answering dumb questions; living up to being 'the Avatar' is separate from being 'Korra', as to her being 'the Avatar' means she's entrusted with responsibility, her opinions are wise and she's listened to. To be more general, she just wants to live up to the legacy set before her.

And so far, she feels like she hasn't been able to live up to it and that other people have roadblocked her along the way. This (combined with not being a super-bright bulb) means she's been quite easy to dupe by those willing to tug on those obvious and ambitious strings of hers. This will change as she reconsiders her current course of action and re-evaluates/reflects on her idea of what 'a good Avatar' would do, as opposed to what she feels 'someone trying to be a good Avatar' would do.

...Of course I don't need to tell any of *you* this, but it's nice to have in writing anyway. Oh yeah, and:

>>115280

He was banned for being a shit-stirring little trollop with no sound reasoning or arguments that didn't grossly- perhaps purposefully- misinterpret Korra's character and those of other characters around her, all for the purpose of hating the show and involving us in that hate with the implication we're dumb to like it, or even aspects of it. That's the kind of posting we don't need around here.

And don't you even DARE say 'What implications?'

You know.

YOU KNOW.

>>115284

Not that anon, but could you clarify what statements warranted that ban exactly?

I usually trust the moderation here and since Fire Lo likes to come here and shitpost, I'm grateful for it but I'm not sure I see what anon (who may have been her, I don't know) said.

>>115286
If you read more of this and other threads, we've had an issue with people just mindlessly bashing Korra and the show. Not just having problems with it, actual blind hate. Also notice that Shark said

>and this isn't the first time I've had to ban this IP

so I'm sure that has something to do with it.

>>115287

but how are we defining "mindless hate" here. For me, "mindless hate" brings to mind just saying things like "the show is shit," and "all the characters are unlikable," without real reason why beyond petty insults and when someone disagrees, that person in question flies into a rage when someone doesn't recognize these things as being givens or objective scientific facts.

>>115286

Perhaps you're unfamiliar with trolling techniques, so I'll give you a 101.

First, you take a show (or a season of a show), then make a bland, over-generalization about it that is entirely negative but with shavings of points people could believably come to like, oh, say,

>It's all just fun kid's games and boyfriends and doing whatever a powerful guy who isn't her father or Tenzin tells her to do.

Note how this ignores, for one, her not really having much fun, and the points regarding Korra's struggles regarding independence as has been articulated in above posts. And that she rebuffs Tarrlock in short shrift and often goes on to do her own thing without proper consultation.

If you feel like it, you can also follow up with an obviously wrong interpretation regarding character motivation and identity that can STILL be excused as just not thinking too hard about the meaning of words, like:

>Her motivation is "be the Avatar". She may as well have said "I'm going to be me"

Having made something like this on an Avatar board, you're guaranteed to get replies. The rest is simple- just challenge them to explain why it isn't that (even though, as we can note it has already been explained why it isn't in this very thread), and then just keep on sticking to your initial story, disregard points to the contrary or- even better if you can- just use them as examples to back up your own theory. For instance:

>This is not how a character with internal motivation or inner strength or strength as a character in the sense of having well-defined traits would act and the criticism to which I have been responding asserted that Korra is such a character; which falls apart with ten seconds of analysis.

Because you see, other people are obliged to think 'Well, maybe he's just stupid and genuinely looking for information' because they believe in good netiquette and keep on at it, which eventually leads to the entire discussion and argument revolving around you, and you can happily continue to piss fans of the series off ad infinitum.


That's exactly what was happening here. There were no concrete examples as to her 'lack of character' or compelling arguments from his side beyond opinions. No 'discussion', as such, was taking place (or possible, considering the opening framework) regarding differing motivations. What's more, Korra's flaws and frustrations about her independence were being seen as inherently negative and un-characterful, rather than the character traits of a flawed person.

You could say that the anon absolutely fails at subtext, but even in that case someone else describing points to him isn't going to change anything either, and the end result is the same. We have to infer intent and do what's best for the board as a whole- not let it swing from right-sided anger to left-sided anger, but keep everything in moderation.

i.e. Moderate it.

And now you know why they were banned.

>>115287
Criticism can be harsh and it doesn't always have to be a long bullet-point essay either. I know it's annoying how /co/ hates Korra so much, but the problem is that the hate drowns out the sensible criticism and the praise for the show. It makes it harder to have a discussion. That's not really a threat here so I'm not comfortable with the mods banning people for having harsh opinions about this show. "Shitposting" is subjective.

>>115296

Before I answer, I'd like to know why you don't believe it's a threat here.

http://rrm0.tumblr.com/post/63879408490/i-did-it-mako-i-saved-the-company-to-me-this

>She is single-handedly the most selfless character in the entire series.
>If Asami becomes a villain or tragic fallen hero in the next season, it would be completely justified, because she was -no, she is- treated like garbage.

I don't know what they're talking about, but by this point, I'd be pretty pissed off at the idea of villain-Asami.

>>115302

Asami's problem though I think is she lacks the kind of aggression needed for the harsh world of capitalism, so I can understand the predictions of Asami being a tragic character because she is pretty much punished for being a nice person.

But I don't think this is bad writing, at least not in the context of Book 2, it's actually pretty good and realistic writing. Asami's being taken advantage of by someone who apparently possesses the sociopathic tendencies that make one profitable.

>>115302
>Asami was born without bending powers.

I'm confused, how is this a sad thing? Asami never longed to be a bender, nor resented her friends, or any other benders, for that matter, for having the ability. I guess maybe it has to do with the advantage benders had over non-benders for a while in society, but Asami was born rich and knew how to fend for herself, so she's exactly not a figure of non-bender oppression, either.

>>115302
People keep wanting Asami to become a villain because of how rough her life has been (which arguably up until book 1 it really wasn't, she had an incredibly privileged lifestyle and if Future Industries is saved she'll continue to life it) and seemed to have totally missed the part about how her character is supposed to be a subvert of that trope.

I mean, never mind if she was a villain she would inevitably lose and be permanently written out of the show.

>>115304
>Asami's problem though I think is she lacks the kind of aggression needed for the harsh world of capitalism

I think Asami is actually a pretty ruthless person. She forces another driver to spin out so she can win, in a race that's no-stakes. She plays along with her father until he hands her a weapon, and then immediately electrocutes him. She's willing to supply cars to the Triple Threats as part of a deal to save her company. Aggression doesn't seem like a problem for her. She's pretty killer.

I'd say Asami's problem is that while she's just as willing to use shady means as Varrick, she uses those as a last resort rather than a first one. So it's not "less aggressive" as "more moral, comparatively".

>>115307
I'd say her problem is, not that she isn't ruthless enough or is too moral to succeed in business, but that she doesn't read people very well, like she's used to Varrick helping her out so she assumes he's a good guy so she puts her guard down for him.

Which if you think about it was her big problem last season too, she refused to believe that her father could be an equalist because she only knew him as her caring father. So, you know, if you want to criticise Korra for not learning anything from last season, I think Asami is just as vulnerable to such a criticism.

>>115313
In Asami's defense, not very many people in her position would be willing to believe their family member is part of a terrorist organization right off the bat, especially when the evidence only consists of one vaguely spoken line.

>>115314
And this is EXACTLY why people should have cut Korra slack for not believing her uncle was a shady character right away. But no, Korra is teh dum lololol, let's all talk about how stupid and blind and boring she is.

>>115315
Well don't you know, if your parent doesn't get along with their sibling it OBVIOUSLY means your aunt/uncle is evil, no questions asked.

>>115316
But that's actually kinda true.
You're inclined to side with the people you love and when they have a low opinion of relative you barely know, then it stands to reason that you'll adopt that stance.

It's actually rather surprising that Korra was so easy to trust Uncle Palpatine.

>>115335

Unalaq isn't a total stranger, though, she at least knew him and his kids. The bigger reason she trusted him was that he was able to get immediate results in battling the spirit, and was letting her know information that was denied to her. At a time when she was getting increasingly frustrated with her mentors, he came bearing gifts.

>>115335
If Tonraq was never going to give any indication as to why Korra and Unalaq shouldn't have known each other (and remember, he didn't know that Unalaq set up the situation with the raiders, so by episode 1 it was basically just "we don't get along") and if Unalaq was for the most part civil (they also didn't barely know each other, it looks like Korra saw Unalaq at least once a year) to her I see no reason why she should be completely distrustful of him right off the bat.

I hope they don't skimp out on the spiritual uncle being evil. Christianity has been lambasted in fiction across every medium (evil preachers, evil church agents, evil popes etc.) while every other school of religion has been given a pass.

>>115352
That's because christians are mostly corrupt assholes who don't follow their own rules and have a habit of committing cultural genocide against other religions

>>115352
While every religion has a dark side to it, >>115353 is right and there's a reason why Christianity gets blasted the most.

While I don't think Unalaq is going to be evil, I still think he's going to mostly end as an antagonist with him maybe repenting towards the end.

christianity is lambasted the most in english media because we are most knowledgeable about it. our society is "secular" but it's hard to grow up not knowing any of the mythology, even if you were brought up atheist. otherwise, if you're white, you probably know very little of other religions unless you go out of your way to seek them out for yourself.

only mock what you know. don't think that other cultures don't make fun of their own beliefs or have issues with them. we just don't see that very much because either it's untranslated stuff in newspapers half a world away, or because their governments are NOT secular and WILL punish people who make light of the official religion.

>>115356
Our society isn't really that secular, and we've had to fight tooth and nail to get it to where it is today. But I don't want to see anymore of >>115353 this. We don't need to be flaming other religions here, like them or hate them. Let's just focus on the Avatar world's version of spirituality and how they handle it here.

>>115353
It's not like that kind of behavior is inherent to Christianity, or that Christianity is even necessarily the real underlying cause of such behaviors a lot of the times. The main religion of any culture whose people dominate the world economically or military will eventually end up that way. It's kind of like what >>115356 said.

http://dgbolin.tumblr.com/post/66487716181/the-fact-that-bumi-is-somewhat-of-a-joke-because
>the fact that bumi is somewhat of a joke because he’s a nonbender shows that amon had a point

>>115864

What's the facepalm about? Bumi's insecurities from being a nonbender in family of powerful benders is actually being addressed in the show - it's pretty much his key motivation.

>>115870
They're saying it means Amon was justified in building a terrorist organization and using it to suppress and wipe out benders.

>>115871

Is there more involving this tumblr user because all I see is them saying Amon had a point? That could mean about anything from "maybe nonbenders face disadvantages" to "all benders are scum that should be eradicated."