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113889 No. 113889
The Rebel Spirit / The Southern Lights has finally, FINALLY arrived!

What did you think?

GO!

Pic related, it's the cloudbabies and their proud mama.
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>> No. 113890
Is there a download link yet?
>> No. 113891
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113891
So we're all in agreement that this guy is the best new character and has the best dialogue so far?
>> No. 113892
>>113891
Yeah, he was a pretty fun character. I feel like i'm the only who doesn't care much for the twins. However, i am going to give them a chance.
>> No. 113893
>>113890

http://www.4shared.com/video/t2gkEaTn/korra201202.html
>> No. 113895
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:7676C6BF92ACB37314B3FD5DA271A27D04AC448E&dn=LoK_S02E01%2602.mp4&tr=udp%3a//tracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80/announce
>> No. 113896
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113896
Poor Tenzin. He was probably really looking forward to his trip to spiritually guide Korra and have her get in touch with her past lives (and his dad) -- and then his dad's reincarnation goes off and rejects him. :(
>> No. 113897
I liked it, the pacing was still kind of weird but I felt like it flowed pretty okay when the episodes were played back to back. It feels like they write the seasons as just one big movie and then break them up into episodes.

Liked that they got to the plot right away -- there's probably something else to what Korra did when she released those lights, though I'm thinking Unalaq is the one controlling the spirits. He just conveniently happens to show up when the spirits are attacking, preaching about how corrupt the South has become and wow, he has a way to get rid of the spirits! That he also never told anyone about until one actually attacked. Korra just probably unleashed a whole wave of spirits for him to manipulate and use to tighten his grasp on the southern tribe.

Speaking of what Korra did, I actually found her anger to be incredibly valid and I'm disappointed that it looks like it's leading to 'Tenzin and Tonraq were right, Korra's not ready' when she finally realizes Unalaq isn't to be trusted, mostly because I think she gets too much shit from the fandom for just trying to do her job. On the other hand, it's also likely it'll lead to a compromise where Korra, Tenzin and Tonraq are all right.

Bolin and Asami just felt pretty pointless, sadly. The highlight of Asami's scene (besides Varrick) was her making actual expression that weren't sad. I feel like Bolin and the twins should have stayed behind with Asami, just to give them something to do. Same for the twins, they just felt really... there. The voice acting for them was also just bad, I don't know if Aubrey and the other guy just aren't used to being vas, or if they were specifically told to play up an awkward robot tone. Also felt like Janet really dropped the ball with these episodes, maybe that was an off recording session or something.

Overall I like what I see, though.
>> No. 113899
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113899
I only like Tonraq for his character, you guys, I swear!!
>> No. 113901
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113901
why are you so sexy tonraq
>> No. 113902
>>113897
>a way to get rid of the spirits that he also never told anyone about
Tonraq knew about it, though. Pity Unalaq doesn't seem too eager to share how it works. His motives are mega unclear.
Also, if it's only waterbenders that can do the whole spirit-calming thing, I'm gonna be major pissed. Water's OP enough as it is.

>>113896
That little doodle in the middle killed me. What happened, Tenzin? What made you into a fuddy duddy?
>> No. 113903
>>113902
>What happened, Tenzin?

well, it's probably that "vacation" tenzin that everyone kept on bringing up. We might just get to see him deck out an aloha shirt.
>> No. 113904
>>113899
>>113901
Dilfest dilf who ever dilfed since Ozai.
>> No. 113906
>>113892
I can see the twins potentially being pretty cool when their cold icy exterior inevitably melts

but right now I really hate their painfully monotone robot voices
>> No. 113908
I'm not sure if I should be pissed that they're already setting up another love triangle with Bolin, Eska and Asami or if the hug between them was purely platonic and my mind's been too poisoned by the media to even consider the notion of a boy/girl friendship with zero romantic undertones
>> No. 113909
I kinda like where they went with Mako at least so far.
>> No. 113912
>>113908
I'm pretty sure he's just complete bro tier with Asami.
>> No. 113914
http://family-room.ew.com/2013/09/13/legend-of-korra-season-2-burning-questions/

>>President Raiko becomes a significant presence in Book 2, as well as a new authority figure with whom Korra butts heads. Because this is a new adventure focused on the spirits and the spirit world, there wasn’t time to detail out all the fallout from Amon. But we wanted to show that Republic City had changed, thus the new President, who is a non-bender.
>> No. 113917
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113917
>>113897
I like the way the twins sounded, they reminded me of...
>> No. 113919
Very interested in seeing how Korra accidentally paving the way for the Water Tribe Hapsburg Jesuits pans out, but I would like to take this opportunity to agree with what >>113891 Mari said.
>> No. 113920
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113920
>>113917

I was expecting the twins to sound more like Raven from Teen Titans. But I agree with the other anon that they sounded pretty wooden, like those gags in cartoons where a character does intentionally bad acting.

Also, Varrick/Asami OTP, she played nicely off him.
>> No. 113921
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113921
"Yes"

ah to be frightened and aroused.
>> No. 113922
Love the twins and the crazy shipping magnate. Was expecting the uncle to be in control of the spirits to start with, which would explain why only he seems to be able to calm them.
>> No. 113923
Not over impressed so far. Korra was REALLY getting on my nerves... I expect some hardcore growth from this immature little douche-nozzle in the season. I found her behavior just REALLY hard to believe...

I mean, really. REALLY? You're going to tell Tenzin off like that? You're going to burn that bridge with that whole family? None of what you went through means anything to you? And how about asking why everyone has bad feels about spirit Uncle, huh? Damn!
>> No. 113924
>>113922
It looked like in the NWT flashback that there were other waterbenders capable of calming the spirits.

Also, fucking waterbenders are stupid OP.
>> No. 113926
>>113923
>I found her behavior just REALLY hard to believe...
She just found out the two men she's supposed to trust the most in her life were responsible for locking her up in the compound. Unalaq is right -- the Avatar IS supposed to travel the world, Korra has a huge handicap compared to other Avatars and she's only lucky that she's so young and has time to make up for that lack of experience. And considering how badly her childhood fucked her up on a personal level, yeah, "we were just trying to do what's best for you" is not going to cut it.

And THEN they go on to keep trying to make decisions for her, even though there's a potential issue with the spirits, something as the Avatar Korra is obligated to get involved with and instead of just asking her or talking to her about why getting involved is a bad idea, Tenzin and Tonraq just say no, you're not doing anything and we're not going to tell you why, deal with it. They can't keep that shit up for ever -- they've already been doing it for 13 years, there is really nothing stopping them from trying to keep it up once she's "ready".

It's not that Korra doesn't appreciate or love them, but they hurt her pretty badly. If I were in her shoes, yeah, I'd want some time away from them too.
>> No. 113927
>>113923

She's being a little shit, but no one's actually explaining themselves to her. They're just telling her to do stuff because it's best for her without telling her why. Plus she found out they lied to her her whole life about why she was left in a compound instead of taken out to travel and learn to be the avatar, and her father hid his past from her all this time.
>> No. 113928
>>113927
To be honest I think her getting angry at Tonraq over not telling her his past is an overreaction and doesn't make much sense, but that's what happens when you find out your dad's been lying to you for 13 years -- it gets really, really easy to get angry at him.
>> No. 113929
>>113928

She was already mad at him about keeping her holed up and not letting her make her own decisions. But yeah, sending her father off through the tundra was pretty horrible.

Hopefully this season ends with Korra growing into being less of a petulant child, and the adults in her life realizing that they have to step back and let her grow.
>> No. 113930
I thought everybody was being pretty unreasonable

Like, fuck's sake Tenzin you've seen yourself the water tribe has some crazy spirit shit going on, Korra learning how to do Unalaq's spirit taming golden shower trick and settle this business is hardly a bad idea

and damn Korra you don't need to cut all ties with Tenzin over this just ask for a rain check on the air temple field trips
>> No. 113931
>>113930
This issue is really not as simple as fandom is thinking, both sides are right to an extent.
>> No. 113932
Am I the only one who was surprised that Kya’s name is pronounced “KAI-ya” and not “KI-ya”?
>> No. 113933
>>113932

It's the same pronunciation from the unaired ATLA pilot when Katara was named Kya.
>> No. 113934
>>113928
But its also to show her going "Oh, I really fucked up" when Northern Oppression kicks off next. Maybe this will make her decide that Avatar shouldn't be in this kinda power position and try to become an impartial force for all.
>> No. 113935
i like how Korra is a native waterbender in an environment made almost entirely of snow and ice and she still defaults to fire whenever there's a situation
>> No. 113939
I was surprised that Korra didn't ask Unalaq to teach her how to banish spirits. Especially since they were going somewhere with spirits and these spirits repeatedly attacked them.

Here's my predictions:
Unalaq is evil and the spirits were trying to stop Korra doing something wrong (such as freeing an evil spirit or sealing good spirits).

Tenzin's storyline will eventually have something to do with the main plot.

Asami's story arch will eventually be relevant in some way.

Bolin may end up with Eska. Though their relationship will be difficult.

Korra will still act like a brat and will base all her decisions on what she heard in the last 5 minutes.

>> No. 113940
>>113939
Re: Point 2- There have actually been a few previews where it looks like Jinora becomes very important to the main plot.
>> No. 113941
Tenzin Season 1- "Korra, you need to learn spirituality!"
Korra Season 1- "Don't tell me what to do!"
Tenzin Season 2- "Korra, you still need to learn spirituality!"
Korra Season 1- "Screw you, I already know everything!"
Tenzin Season 2- "Seriously, come vacation with my family!"
Korra Season 2- "NO!"

Unaloq - "Hey Korra, can I interest you in some... education in spirituality?"
Korra Season 2- "CAN YOU?!"
Tenzin - -_-
>> No. 113942
>>113941
The difference being that what Unalaq teaches gives faster results, not to mention could potentially save lives and keep balance in check.

Tenzin's advice is basically "ignore it".
>> No. 113943
>>113941
>>113942
Korra basically had no interest in learning about spirituality until she found out it could potentially involve punching spirits in the face
>> No. 113946
>>113943
>Korra in forest
>just heard a story about her dad fucked everything up by recklessly bending in a sacred forest
>got really mad at her dad for hiding this story from her
>proceeds to recklessly bend in a sacred forest.

There's a limit to how stupid you can be and this is beyond it.
>> No. 113947
>>113946

It was already trashed!
>> No. 113948
>>113943
>Korra basically had no interest in learning about spirituality until she found out it could potentially involve punching spirits in the face
In that case, Korra has my vote for best Avatar.
>> No. 113949
>>113943
No she didn't, she wanted to get involved right away and still stuck by Unalaq even when he said she wasn't going to learn how to fight spirits.
>> No. 113950
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113950
Eska is love
>> No. 113951
>>113950
that fucking Wednesday Adams fan-fiction from a while back means I can't unsee scary sexy times.
>> No. 113952
>>113949
The last time Korra ran off half cocked without listening to anyone's advice, the bad guy basically won and took away most of her bending. You'd think she'd have learned from that.
>> No. 113953
>>113952
"see I saved everyone and learned how to reverse those effects"

"yes, but you are still not ready Korra and you need more training"

"GAAAAHH I hate you all, I'll fight with my punches!!!"
>> No. 113954
>>113950
I'm just glad that US cartoon censorship is making sure Eska stays toned down, because if this were an anime Bolin wouldn't be be treated with such kiddy gloves by a female character of Eska's archetype. What we have, is amusing. Now take away the censorship and restrictions and watch it turn horrifying.

I once saw an anime where a possessive female love interest pressed her thumbs into the main guy's eyes so that he doesn't look at other women. Shit is horrifying.
>> No. 113955
Loved the airbabies and Aang's kids.

Eska's VA sounded really odd. I suppose they were going for emotionless, but it was strange.
>> No. 113956
>>113955
I am pretty sure strange and unnatural was what they were going for.
Be ready for when Unalaq turns out to have trapped Spirits in human form/removed his children's souls in a deal with a dark spirit/got it on with a dark spirit and had half spirit babies
>> No. 113957
>>113954

That's not censorship. That's just not being a shitty anime.
>> No. 113958
>>113954
>I once saw an anime where a possessive female love interest pressed her thumbs into the main guy's eyes so that he doesn't look at other women
I believe you're referring to Baka no Test, and if that's the case, the character you're referring to was a PARODY of those sorts of characters, taken to extremes. She was not meant to be endearing, she was meant to be funny because of how horrifying the archetype becomes when taken to such extremes.
>> No. 113960
>>113954
Is this a serious post? You're trolling me right? You can't possibly be this stupid.
>> No. 113961
>>113952
Tenzin and Tonraq were actively trying to stop her from doing her job. This goes beyond just "I don't like your advice".
>> No. 113962
>>113935
Korra's personality and fighting style is very firebender, even when she's using air or water she's basically "punch punch punch it until it's dead"
>> No. 113964
>>113935
This is only natural, since fire is the superior element.

Besides, the Poles are fucking cold. Throwing fire around helps keep her warm.
>> No. 113966
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113966
>Ozai and Iroh
>Azula and Zuko
>Tarrlok and Noatak
>now this

What is with Avatar and all of its fraternal/paternal figure hater-y?

I know you have 'good' sibling duo relationships on the protag side (Katara & Sokka, arguably Mako & Bolin), but even that's getting kind of tired as far as foils go.
>> No. 113967
>>113966
See >>112946
>> No. 113968
>>113966
I think Bryke either have sibling issues of their own, are REALLY big on the whole yin & yang symbolism which is best hammered home with siblings, or it's a bit of both.
>> No. 113970
>>113966
When it comes to nobility and royalty quite often children would overthrow their parents or kill their siblings in exchange for power. An example would be Emperor Taizong of the Tang Dynasty who killed two of his brothers, all the sons of his brothers, and forced his father to abdicate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Taizong_of_Tang
>> No. 113972
>>113966
When it comes to nobility and royalty quite often children would overthrow their parents or kill their siblings in exchange for power. An example would be Emperor Taizong of the Tang Dynasty who killed two of his brothers, all the sons of his brothers, and forced his father to abdicate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Taizong_of_Tang
>> No. 113974
>>113933
I never actually heard the unaired pilot.

Also, Commander Bumi has a beer belly, and Varrick isn’t as flamboyant as I thought he would be.
>> No. 113975
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113975
>Korra defending herself and bringing up good points on why she should be allowed to make her own decisions for once and not have her "mentors" hold her hand through every single task she had to do
>people complaining about how she's being "bitchy"
>> No. 113976
>>113975
Right. You don't have to like Korra, but you can at least try to understand where she's coming from.
>> No. 113977
>>113975
It's amazing that, for everyone who is complaining about her attitude would likely react the same way if they were in her shoes.
>> No. 113978
>>113975
>tenzin being stupid
>bolin being stupid
>korra being stupid
>everyone stupid
mako boring
>> No. 113979
>>113974

It also happened to be the same name they used for Katara's mother, you hear it in Season 3's "The Southern Raiders."
>> No. 113980
>>113932
>>113933

I'm pretty sure they (Sokka or Katara) say Kya's name at least once during ATLA's run, not to mention Katara specifically says both Kya and Bumi's name in the very first episode of LoK.

>Pema: Were Tenzin and his siblings this crazy when they were kids?

>Katara: Kya and Bumi certainly were, but Tenzin has always been rather serious.
>> No. 113982
>>113951

Link?
>> No. 113983
>>113951

Link?
>> No. 113986
>>113982

It's on /pco/'s erotic fiction thread.
>> No. 113988
>>113961
When left to her own devices and free to make her own decisions, she's proven to be terrible at her job.

>I'm not scared of Amon! I'm going to go alone to this showdown and be a badass. No, Tenzin, I'm the Avatar! It's my call!

>Amon ambushes her with two dozen men has her dead to rights, and could easily have killed there there had the writing not demanded he go all Bond villain and let her go with a warning.
>> No. 113989
>>113988
So what? They can't keep forcing her to hold their hands forever. What happens when she finishes her training and they still feel like she isn't good enough? Better she mess up now, when she can afford to fall back on others if she needs it. If Korra can't feel like the people who say they love her don't trust her to do a good job, what will she feel when she's finally allowed to go out on her own? That nobody thinks she can do anything?

Aang sure as hell wasn't ready, not even by the time the comet hit, but nobody tried to stop him even though he made some stupid decisions himself.
>> No. 113990
>>113989
Yeah, but with the comet, they were fucked either way. May as well have gone with the option that they felt was going to minimize damage, even if they knew the chances of it succeeding were slim.

Besides, there were times that people did call Aang out when they thought he was being stupid. It was one of the main things Sokka did throughout the series, with Zuko joining in on the act when he switched sides and he thought Aang's unwillingness to kill was a problem.
>> No. 113992
>>113990
People called Aang out but rarely (if ever) did anyone (and by anyone I mean the people closest to him) actually try to overstep Aang's decisions and enforce their own on his. Best example of this was him accepting Zuko into the group -- possibly only Toph was okay with it at the time, but it was ultimately up to Aang because he needed a firebending teacher.

Korra's NEVER going to have full confidence in herself if the people around her aren't willing to trust her every now and then. Hell, they may not even have to fully trust her but just respect it's her decision and she has every right to act on it. Korra's not asking for a new car, or for a puppy or whatever, she's asking to be treated as a human being and to be allowed to do her job, which is something she shouldn't have to ask for.

She STILL has a lot of learning to do, Tenzin is right, but there are some thing she's never going to learn if he or Tonraq are always there to grab and yank her back behind them every time she actually tries to do something on her own.
>> No. 113993
>>113977
NOPE. I would've talked it out and sought actual answers, not been a dismissive brat eager to rush into bad decisions.
>> No. 113994
>>113977
NOPE. I would've talked it out and sought actual answers, not been a dismissive brat eager to rush into bad decisions.
>> No. 113995
>>113992
Then they need to be able to let her fail, and the show can't do that for more than a few minutes at a time.

Korra needs a scar of some kind.
>> No. 113996
>>113995
She doesn't need a scar. She went through book 1 learning that things aren't always going to work out for her, that she's going to fuck up and get knocked down and all she can do is get back up and keep trying. She knows this already. Tenzin and Tonraq can't accept that though.
>> No. 114000
You know what I think Korra is missing? A Zuko.

Not the character, but the storyline. If you were to look back at ATLA and watch only Aang's story, or only Zuko's, I don't doubt you'd have similar complaints to what people say about Korra now. It was the synergy between the two that made the show so intriguing.

But really, I think that if they had had the time, and 8 extra episodes in season one to let the audience really get to know and connect with the characters people wouldn't be complaining so much.
>> No. 114004
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>>113995
I was actually gonna call you an idiot until I remembered this.
>> No. 114005
For my part, I'm holding out a vain hope that we'll see one, just ONE main character who isn't either friggin' royalty or the heiress to the entire friggin' military-industrial complex.

And before you point him out, no, Bolin isn't a character, he's just a talking punchline.
>> No. 114006
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114006
I want to know what you all think of this.
>> No. 114007
>>113992
Why would you trust an imbecile like Korra?
>> No. 114008
>>114006
The funniest bit in the premiere.
>> No. 114009
>>114007

The whole point of the series is for Korra to make these kinds of decisions to see her either succeed or fail and learn from her mistake. She's the Avatar and the main character, it's the whole point.
>> No. 114012
>>114009
Well that's an assumption on your part. It could very well be at the end that she decides "I'm an idiot" and agrees to let her friends do the heavy thinking for her.
>> No. 114013
>>113955
>I suppose they were going for emotionless,

Nope, just creepy.

Beautiful creepiness. Bolin has found his dom, that lucky bastard.
>> No. 114016
>>114008
But doesn't that Air Acolyte look familiar?

She also mistook Tenzin's family for "servants"...
>> No. 114017
>>114008
But doesn't that Air Acolyte look familiar?

She also mistook Tenzin's family for "servants"...
>> No. 114020
>>114000
Well, we kinda have a reversed-Zuko in Asami. The storyline and scenario, anyway.

But, yeah, it doesn't really seem to be as prominent in LoK. Which is a pity, because at this point I think that Kora's lacking a good foil.
>> No. 114021
Always kind of amused by the people getting annoyed at Korra for acting like a privileged and extremely sheltered young woman who is used to getting her own way and didn't grow up around anyone the same age as her...

...which of course, exactly what she's like. The point of the show is that she's growing and changing as she fills her role as the Avatar.

Hell, even Aang underwent some character development in between the start of his show and the end of it (and it continues in the comics too).

Yeah, Korra has made a bunch of poor decisions, but they're mostly explained by her backstory. The point of a story is her evolving as a person, and her getting everything right (and BEING right) about everything first time would get really tiresome really fast.

I mean, if she was the sort of character that could do and say no wrong, I think that she would be even more unpopular because people would describe her as a Mary Sue (hate that term).
>> No. 114023
>>114021
I think the problem is that she only ever seems to get it wrong so far. I seriously can't think of any positive qualities she's displayed so far and her successes only ever seem to be her lucking out and not even a product of her hard work (which could've been a positive quality from season 1, but seems to be disregarded now).

There is nothing wrong with having a character being arrogant or even being stupid, but arrogant AND stupid with no positive qualities to back it up is a really irritating combination.
>> No. 114024
>>114023
>no positive qualities

Go watch it again.
>> No. 114025
>>114024
Go ahead and point out her positive qualities.
>> No. 114026
>>114025

Off the top of my head I can think of some.

Korra has been an extremely determined and resolved when she sets out to do something (example: heading further into the forest even if it means fighting dark spirits that have so far been immune to the bending she knows). Korra has been brave in the face of danger (example: despite getting knocked around by dark spirits, she does not run away or hide, she jumps right back into the fray). Korra has shown to be selfless when it comes to serving society (Example: she takes action she believes will have the most immediate beneficial impact for the Southern Water tribe, opening the gate at the South Pole, rather than seeking personal spiritual enlightenment and development with Tenzin and leaving the South to fend for itself). I think there's an argument for Honesty what with the aversion to secrets and straightforwardness with people. She can be disobedient when she doesn't agree with someone's orders, but I'm not sure if I ever recall her lying about it when confronted with the disobedience (in fact she tends to be rather upfront when she doesn't agree with someone). At any rate disobedience isn't the same as being honest. I would have to rewatch the series to confirm if there was anytime when she lied for her own benefit.

But anyways, those are some positive traits with examples of each. Determination, Bravery, Selflessness, Honesty (?). All are generally considered positive heroic qualities. There are probably others, this is just what I could think of off the top of my head.
>> No. 114027
>>114026
Korra's determination is pretty lacking, honestly. Faced with being a non-bender, she pretty much gives up completely. Also she has no determination to see her airbending training through. She's used to being naturally talented and hasn't really developed the work ethic that follows through with that.

She has determination to learn how to fight spirits, but that's only because she was immediately confronted with a spirit that bested her. She had only been mildly interested in Unalaq's offer to train her until that spirit beat the snot out of her.

Korra's bravery stems from her stupidity, she can only ever face a problem head on so she pretty much has to be brave. Regardless, I'll give you that much, she is brave even if it never does seem to do her much good.

Korra is not selfless. In fact, that's a flaw pretty much everyone agrees on.
>Korra for acting like a privileged and extremely sheltered young woman who is used to getting her own way and didn't grow up around anyone the same age as her...
The only time where you might misconstrue her actions as selfless ones would be when she stopped those triad thugs from harassing that shopkeeper. But that's quickly ruined by how she completely wrecks the shopkeeper's shop and the entire street. Korra was more interested in showing off and being the hero than actually helping the people there. She doesn't even regret her actions "because she was fighting the bad guys". It's about the worst display of heroism ever.

Honesty is only a good trait if you have tact to follow through with it and Korra doesn't. There are a lot of assholes out there who claim they're just honest, but the fact is they're just assholes.
>> No. 114028
>>114026
>>114027
I should've more directly addressed your examples.
>(example: heading further into the forest even if it means fighting dark spirits that have so far been immune to the bending she knows).
That's not really determination, more bravery than anything. Determination only really shines through when confronted with failure.
>(Example: she takes action she believes will have the most immediate beneficial impact for the Southern Water tribe, opening the gate at the South Pole, rather than seeking personal spiritual enlightenment and development with Tenzin and leaving the South to fend for itself).
This is the first step of her spiritual training AKA the first step to being able to punch spirits. Korra was willing to go before she even knew what was going to happen on the trip.
>> No. 114029
>>114027
>Korra was more interested in showing off and being the hero than actually helping the people there.

Now you're just projecting. She's frequently risked her life simply because "that's what the Avatar is meant to do".

>wrecking the shop

She grew up without having to use money, in a tribe where everyone helped everyone else out and a community would likely have helped fix any damage done to the belongings of an individual in the community. She's simply too much of a country bumpkin crossbred with someone that doesn't understand money to see any harm in the destruction she caused "saving the day".

>Also she has no determination to see her airbending training through.

I do not concur. Her problem there stems from her not understanding why her Airbending wasn't good enough. If she agreed she wasn't good enough but didn't want to finish her training THAT would be a lack of determination. But she sees what Tenzin wanted as a desire to polish the edges of something she had sufficiently mastered. Frankly Tenzin should have better demonstrated what she can't do yet so she'd understand her limits. But even though she disagreed with him and thought she'd mastered Air Bending sufficiently she was still going along with his wishes until she encountered the Spirits, and saw him completely Fail to deal with a major threat that Unalaq was able to handle. She abandoned her Air Bending training not because she lacked the determination to continue but because she genuinely doesn't see what she still has to learn, and because she thinks she saw something more important to deal with.

Part of her frustration really is a failure on her teachers' part. It's a classic example of a kid not understanding WHY they need to learn something and the teacher failing to explain beyond "you just do".
>> No. 114032
>>114027
>>114028

I have to find serious flaws in your logic. I believe your preconceived notions about the character have severely colored your perceptions. Just because Korra didn't show interest traveling with Tenzin does not mean she isn't determined. She does not see a purpose in the trip, so she does not want to go. She doesn't see a purpose to the learning the spiritual side, so she's apathetic to it. This isn't a lack of determination, this is a lack of personal motivation. You also claim that Korra "gives up" once she loses her bending, yet when she sees Mako in danger rom Amon she defiantly attacks him. She doesn't just "give up" in the way you describe, she still fought through the adversity she faced. She was resolute in the face of adversity, and that is the very definition of determination.

On the last post you mentioned that determination only shines through when you are confronted with a failure. Well, Korra is handed numerous losses by the Equalist chi-benders, Amon himself, and Tarrlok throughout the first season, yet doesn't give up the fight in Republic City. That should fit even your narrow definition of the word.

On Bravery, you hand-wave her actions away as "being stupid." I would urge you to re-read this part of your argument again to see what I mentioned earlier about your perceptions being askew. Bravery is characteristically described as not the absence of fear but the capacity to act in the presence of it. Season 1 we see that she was afraid of Amon and his ability to take away bending when she cried to Tenzin. Still, she set out to defeat him despite that fear. Now, the writers are not going to replay that scene every time Korra comes up against adversity, but its one of the core parts of her character that even though she may feel fear that does not stop her from acting. It's one of the most important traits to her character, and a core aspect necessary for any hero or heroine.

On the third point, you claim that Korra is not selfless because she ruined a shopkeeper's shop when rescuing him, and that she's only interested in the self-gratification that comes with playing the hero. On the first part, let's not overstate the issues here. She tossed a guy through a window, and then when she saw the gangsters getting a vehicle she tripped it up with some earth bending, and it crashed into another store. It's a fight, things are allowed to get a little messy. You might as well argue Spider-Man isn't selfless because he kicks Venom through a window. The example citied does not disprove the character trait. The other theory you put forth, the idea that Korra only cares about people seeing her as a hero, doesn't exactly gel with traits such as determination and bravery. Normally, that kind of trait is limited to a cowardly character. Typically when a character with that trait is introduced, they invent the problem and sweep in to effortlessly provide the solution. In fact, the idea of collateral damage works against proving that Korra fits that archetype. Whether it's something as simple as sharing her food with a homeless person or confronting her former ally Tarrlok after seeing how nonbenders were being treated, Korra is shown to care about the welfare of others. Another point you brought up was that she is not selfless because she was merely going to learn how to "punch spirits" and did not understand she was opening a spiritual gate. However, I don't quite follow your reasoning here. Its true Korra didn't understand what exactly would entail in following Unalaq, but she sees that he seems to know how to best deal with the dark spirits while Tenzin does not, so she determines that it makes more sense to learn how to defend the south against dark spirits from Unalaq. From her perspective, the needs of the people are best immediately met by learning how to defeat these rampaging spirits the way Unalaq does.

Finally, you dismiss Honesty because sometimes assholes are honest. This is getting a bit ridiculous, as you can have a villain whose determined, or noble and charitable, or wise, or jovial. Good and bad people can have good and bad character traits. However, honesty is unequivocally a positive character trait.

I can't believe I ended up wasting my lunch hour typing all of this up.
>> No. 114033
>>114029
>Now you're just projecting. She's frequently risked her life simply because "that's what the Avatar is meant to do".
I don't think you know what projecting means. And risking your life is not the same as being selfless. Korra loves fighting and hates being beaten. If Korra was so concerned about the people she would've addressed the issues of inequality (that Bryke confirmed to have existed) rather than just butting heads with Amon. But nuance like that escapes her and she was much more interested in bringing down Amon who she rightfully feared, but not for the right reasons.

>country bumpkin
Even country bumpkins know that wrecking shit is generally a bad thing to do.

And even so, becoming a selfish person because of a bad environment still makes you a selfish person.

>airbending training
Yeah, Tenzin is a pretty shit teacher.
>> No. 114034
>>114033
No, Korra would not have addressed any issues of inequality because the Equalists were not actually interested in civil rights, they were interested in controlling and wiping out a certain group of people. They did not want to negotiate short of "hand over your benders and nobody gets hurt" and they proved countless times they were unwilling to talk.

I mean, if Amon was actually interested in talking he would have done so after the thing with the triads, instead he went straight up to threatening to attack a public sporting event and then he DID. There was no fucking compromising with that man or his group.

And no, Bryke did NOT confirm the Equalists were right. They said that tensions between non-benders and benders were nothing new in Avatar (which doesn't indicate one group held power over another) and that having all those different types of people living together in one place just made it worse. The council was more than likely disbanded because it was an inefficient form of government, not because it was made up of benders at the time.
>> No. 114035
>>114032
Would you acknowledge that there is a difference between desperation and determination or does that give determination too narrow of a definition? Determination implies choice and a commitment to act on it even in the face of adversity. Desperation is when a person has no other option and must fully commit. Both involve a great deal of commitment, but no one views desperation as a heroic quality for a reason. Korra's fight against Amon was because she was desperate to protect what was precious to her - her bending and Mako - not because she was determined to help Republic City. The fact that her airbending only unlocked when her bending was taken and Mako was threatened and not when the city was being bombed or conquered or otherwise ruined should be proof of that.

Read the post again. Korra's brave, no question.

Korra was fully in control of the fight between the Triad members. They were clearly mismatched, but because of Korra's unnecessary showboating, the livelihood of the person she was trying to protect was ruined and she simply didn't care. You seriously don't think that's a problem?

Going off with Unalaq still isn't an example of selflessness. Korra was faced with a threat and now she wants to know how to beat it. She had already made up her mind before he told her it would help. There was never a conscious decision out of the interest of others.

Honesty is not inherently a good/bad quality to have. It depends on the content of the character. If a person thinks only in selfish impulsive terms than honesty is a really shitty quality to have. Korra kissing Mako was a moment of honesty, she could not deny her feelings nor could she pretend they didn't exist. She had to make Mako understand her feelings even if that meant kissing a boy who was already in a committed and by all appearances, happy relationship.

That's not exactly a huge leap of logic to say that that instance of honesty was pretty fucking awful.
>> No. 114036
>>114035
>Korra's fight against Amon was because she was desperate to protect what was precious to her - her bending and Mako - not because she was determined to help Republic City.

Uh, no, she decides to go and fight Amon because she had been waiting for the United Forces to arrive to see if they could stop him, all the while she has to go into hiding and hear about how Amon is taking over the city that Aang built, how he's hurting the city he claims he wants to save and thinking about all of the benders who are in danger because she has no choice but to bide her time. Then the United Forces show up, they get utterly obliterated and everyone just wants to go back into hiding *again*. She was not thinking about Mako OR her bending when she decided it was time to face Amon, I don't think you really payed attention to that episode.

>Korra was fully in control of the fight between the Triad members. They were clearly mismatched, but because of Korra's unnecessary showboating, the livelihood of the person she was trying to protect was ruined and she simply didn't care. You seriously don't think that's a problem?

This is like... brought up in the episode. I don't know what you're trying to prove here -- because she was unnecessarily flashy and isn't used to using her bending in more subdued ways it means she wasn't sincere about trying to do a good job as the Avatar? We were never given any indication Korra didn't *care* about the shop owner, she just naively thought the positives outweighed the negatives -- the bad guys were caught, they can't hurt anyone else anymore. She even USES the word "bad guys". You're confusing naivety with being uncaring.

>There was never a conscious decision out of the interest of others.

Her line in one of the trailers about her people being wiped out indicates otherwise. You seem to be thinking just because Korra doesn't form deep, emotional connections with the people she's trying to save mean she doesn't care about them.
>> No. 114038
I say, she's got to make some more mistakes, mistakes with some erotic consequences.
>> No. 114040
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>>114033
>I don't think you know what projecting means.

You claimed that Korra is more concerned with showing off than actually helping, and that her attempts to be a hero are little more than vanity on her part. It's a shockingly cynical interpretation, and one poorly supported by the material. By saying that you were projecting I was, in essence, saying that you may very well be a selfish enough individual that you would only try to help others to show off, not really caring about them, but that's not this character's motivation. A bit insulting, but you're going Luthor on us.

>And risking your life is not the same as being selfless.

I did not say she's selfless. Not even Saint Aang was selfless. I went "oh you cynic!" in response to your assertion that she cares more about showing off than helping others. She DOES enjoy showing off, sure. So did Aang. Pic related.

>Even country bumpkins know that wrecking shit is generally a bad thing to do.

But like I said, she's not JUST a country bumpkin, she's a country bumpkin that grew up with no concept of "you break it, you buy it," and who never had to use her abilities outside of strictly controlled tests under artificial conditions. Frankly the White Lotus did a crappy job training her, when she got to Republic City she had no experience trying to end a fight without harming her surroundings (not that any of the other benders in the city ever seem to make an effort).

>becoming a selfish person because of a bad environment still makes you a selfish person.

Sure. And she still wasn't being selfish, she was simply oblivious, lacking a good frame of reference to draw experiences from.

>>114035
> the livelihood of the person she was trying to protect was ruined

Yeah, Aang never destroyed the shit someone was trying to sell to make ends meet. MY CABBAGES!
>> No. 114041
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/09/16/friday-cable-ratings-wwe-smackdown-wins-night-lengend-of-korra-jessie-what-not-to-wear-fast-n-loud-more-mo
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>2.6 million
Lower than any of the other episodes from season 1 and 2 million less than the premiere of Korra season 1.

Given the production values of Korra, 2.6mil is really fucking awful.
>> No. 114042
>>114035

>>114035

I would argue there is a difference between desperation and determination and you've completely mischaracterized both. The definition for determination is "firmness of purpose; resoluteness." In literature, causes of this character trait are having a "strong focus and ability to make decisions; having a set goal, objective or desire that is personal and important; being highly committed to an idea or belief." Amon is determined. Korra is determined. They both have clear goals and work through adversity and set backs to reach this goal. That's all that's needed. You argue Korra doesn't have a "choice" and that her actions are acts of "desperation". This logic falls apart because there are multiple points in the series where Korra gets beaten, and she's given a chance to leave Republic City and go where it's safe, and she refuses because she feels it is her responsibility to bring balance to the city by defeating Amon. "Desperation" isn't a character trait anyways. Many determined characters feel desperation at times. Heck, let's look at One Piece with one character no one can argue doesn't have an abundance of determination, Luffy D. Monkey. During the Maineford arc, Luffy feels desperation to save Ace from execution. His actions to push forward through the horde of Marines and attempt to rescue him are a result of his determined personality. The same is for Korra. She sees her boyfriend Mako is about to have his bending taken away from him, she feels desperation, and its her determined personality that drives her forward to attack Amon.

As for the Bravery issue, I did read your post, perhaps closer than you expected me to. While you did begrudgingly agree that Korra is brave, your context around that admission downplayed the trait and suggested it was the result of "stupidity." That's what I took issue with.

Finally, you claim she was unnecessarily showboating, but where? How? Let's look at the scene again.
Korra Vs Triple Threat Triad -…youtube thumb

The actions consisted of shooting the water bullet back at the water bender and freezing it, tossing the earth bender up into the air, and then dispersing the firebender's burst and tossing him through a window. That's pretty dang tame for super-heroics. Then the gangsters attempt to get away, so Korra uses earth bending to destabilize the vehicle which causes it to spin out of control and crash into a building. Nothing here was "showboating," they were all perfectly logical ways to deal with an enemy. Yes there is some collateral damage and she does get reprimanded by Lin for that, but these actions don't show an inherent selfishness. The fact that she saw benders using their abilities to prey on the helpless citizenry and set out to bring them to justice should not be twisted into evidence of some negative character trait. Plenty of heroes have caused collateral damages in their fights, it's the nature of action.

You state that Korra's decision to go with Unalaq was selfish because she wants to know how to beat the spirits and that's it, but if you actually watched the episode, her concern is peaked when she first learns that spirits are attacking ships. That's when she expresses an interest in learning from Unalaq and "fighting spirits." She's interested in protecting others. She puts the welfare and safety of others before herself. That's selfless. The inverse, a selfish person, wouldn't give two craps about the welfare of others.

Honesty IS an inherently good character trait. "Honesty is the best policy" (-Benjamin Franklin), "Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom" (-Thomas Jefferson), "No legacy is so rich as honesty" (-William Shakespeare), heck even wikipedia defines honesty as a positive and virtuous facet of moral character. Honesty is defined as being forthright, truthful, and candid. In literature, the causes of this trait are growing up with a strong moral center or in an environment where truthfulness is placed in high regard; a desire to help; having strong ethics; a religious background/upbringing where lies are viewed as sin. Now you can easily argue Korra kissing Mako or aggressively pursuing him romantically was a shitty thing to do, I'm not interested in that fight. But you can't argue honesty isn't a virtuous, positive character trait. There are ways to negatively implement ANY character trait, including Determination, Bravery, and Selflessness, as well as Affection, Caution, Charismatic, Clever, Diplomatic, and hell even FRIENDLY (I'm looking at you, Pinkie Pie). If you're going to argue Honesty is not a "positive" character trait because there was once a negative result from it, then you're going to have to set out some kind of test that a characteristic or quality needs to meet, because you're working off a definition that is different from what is generally accepted by western society and literature.

Yeesh, I've spent too long on this argument already. I actually went to rewatch video of the series to support my points, I think that's a signal that it's time to take a break from the Internet.
>> No. 114045
>>114041

It's fair to say the hype train got thoroughly derailed by season 1.

Of course, if it bombs, execs will just take it as a sign kids don't want semi-serious high-budget well-animated shows. So...well. We bring this doom on ourselves.
>> No. 114046
>>114045

The Korra premier was the highest rated show in its timeslot in the 18-49 demo. That's still ace (and that's not even the show's target demographic) especially considering how the lightly the Book 2 premier was hyped compared to the Book 1 premier. (dat prolonged social media drive that unlocked concept art, preview clips, and an early digital release of the premier)
>> No. 114047
>>114046

That's why I like ya Murph; you're always a half-full kinda guy.
>> No. 114048
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First fan comics for S2 trickling out...
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>> No. 114051
>>114041
To put in perspective, Korra Book 1 premiered on Sunday mornings, which always gets disproportionately high ratings on cable (alongside Saturday mornings) as that's when all the sprogs are up. Spongebob creamed the cable charts a decade in a row by its mere existence in the weekend morning slot.

Friday evenings, on the other hand, are considered something of a graveyard slot as all the kids are off the movies and all the adults are off partying. A Friday evening slot is a far more brutal test of any show's staying power, and for a cartoon to garner 2.6 million in that environment is pretty unheard of, so I'd say it passed the test with flying colours.
>> No. 114054
>>114049
I desperately want to hear JK Simmons do this monologue.
>> No. 114055
>>114049

Can a comic strip be any MORE condescending and pretentious?
>> No. 114062
>>114054
Get this comic popular enough, and he just might during a 'con. Make it viral like stand-up comedian Amon.
>> No. 114063
>>114055
Seconding. It's like this "neodusk" person thinks, "Korra's so terrible, she's such an asshole. I know! I'll have the patient, peace-loving mentor be an asshole right back to her! Surely THAT will teach her a lesson!"
>> No. 114064
>>114021
Since we know almost nothing about Korra's childhood (other than at 4 she could use 3 elements) there's no evidence that she was privileged, used to getting her own way, or didn't know anyone her own age.

I feel it was one of the weaknesses of season 1 that we were never given any information about how Korra's upbringing made her into the person she is today. She doesn't even compare her life in the Southern Water Tribe to her life at Tenzin's home.
>> No. 114065
>>114063
If she hasn't learned the lesson by now, he'd have to resort to something, wouldn't he?
>> No. 114066
>>114065

>tfw thinking yelling at a fictional character will do anything constructive
>> No. 114067
so its going to be on Saturday now
>> No. 114068
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A clip from Episode 3:

http://www.nick.com/videos/clip/legend-of-korra-115-clip.html

As it turns out, Aang? Not such a great father...
>> No. 114069
Well its not so much he was bad its just he had to teach a lot to the second to last Airbender before he passed into the cycle.
>> No. 114070
>>114068
Fathers can only be shit or dead in the Avatar universe.
>> No. 114071
>>114070
And mothers are either traumatically gone or unimportant
>> No. 114072
>>114069

>Talking about building sand castles and sight-seeing

I...don't *think* Aang was teaching him much...
>> No. 114073
>making a judgement about a character based on a 90 second clip released by the same production that loves trolling the shit out of its fanbase with the teasers

Yeah, I'm gonna hold off. Bring on Friday.
>> No. 114074
Privileged isn't quite the word for Korra's upbringing. Basically when it comes to anything the White Lotus didn't teach her, she's clueless. And even without numerous flashbacks we could tell there was a LOT they weren't teaching her.
>> No. 114082
>>114074
yea she was extremely sheltered in her upbringing
>> No. 114083
>>114082
I think due to someones overreaction to Aang's hundred year absence they wanted to keep the Avatar as close to them as possible until needed. Thinking about it I get a real caged bird scenario going on.
>> No. 114096
>>114066
It actually does work for plenty of people in real life. There's no "right" way to motivate people to do the right thing. In fact, someone who isn't exactly the wise-elder and instead the down-to-earth-coach might be exactly who a jock-type character like Korra would need.
>> No. 114098
>>114096

Actually, there's a substantial difference between fostering intrinsic motivation (you want to do it because you want to do it) compared to external motivation (do this and you get that) in regards to both the overall performance, the happiness of those involved, and the nature of the enterprise- particularly if it involves being creative.

As you're yelling at said character they're going to go on the defensive and typically not integrate the message into their worldview so well, thus turning it into something they're made to do rather than something they want to do, thus lowering motivation and, as a consequence, performance.

I'm not debating that's it's reliable performance though.
>> No. 114102
>>114098
I'm not talking drill sergeant or whatever, but pretty much a no-bullshit coach you'd see in a sports movie. The sort of coach that sticks by their players and supports them, but when they need a wake-up call, isn't afraid to do some yelling to get their point across. Hell, if Tenzin did some sparring with Korra and wiped the floor with her, that'd be precisely what she needs to motivate her to go further. Exasperated sighs and silent disappointment isn't gonna cut it with a meathead like Korra.
>> No. 114110
>>114102
She needs a Splinter a person who knows their shit about both sides of the spectrum and can communicate that.
>> No. 114115
Did Mako seriously just call Asami a bloodsucking leech?
>> No. 114116
>>114115

No, he called a bad relationship a blood sucking leech.
>> No. 114117
>>114116
Eh... exactly how many relationships has he had, and how was theirs bad, except for him completely fucking it up? Why did he call Eska a leech two minutes later if that's the case?
>> No. 114118
>>114117
I keep feeling that he's supposed to be the future ex either by his own actions or an incident.
>> No. 114119
>>114117
>exactly how many relationships has he had
That's not really relevant, you can still learn a lesson from one relationship.

>and how was theirs bad, except for him completely fucking it up
It wasn't bad in the sense that they didn't work together as a couple, it was bad because his feelings for Korra were growing stronger, but he was unwilling to admit to it and stuck with Asami because he didn't want to hurt her.

>Why did he call Eska a leech two minutes later if that's the case?
What did he say, exactly? I missed that part.
>> No. 114121
>>114119
he compared breaking up with someone to pulling off a leech. thats it that was the line, and people are taking it out of proportion
>> No. 114123
>>114121
It's the in-universe replacement for ripping off a band-aid. If he had said band-aid instead would people be thinking he's calling Asami one?
>> No. 114124
>>114123
Band-aids protect and sterilize wounds. Leeches suck the blood out of you; so no; if he had the .02 ounces of tact it would have taken to choose any other simile, people likely would not be complaining that he compared his relationship with his ex-girlfriend who gave him food, clothes, a house, $30,000, and didn't really object all that hard when he was a complete piece of shit to her... to a band-aid.
>> No. 114125
>>114116

No he said a breakup was like ripping off a leech, not the person you're breaking up with.

Anyways, how come I gotta be the one that starts episode threads? Grumble, grumble...
>> No. 114128
>>114126
> people likely would not be complaining
Unlikely, in this fandom.
>> No. 114130
>>114124
Do they have band-aids in the Korra universe? It seemed like they still used cloth bandages, which aren't really a 'rip right off' sort of thing, since they're wrapped.

And now that I think about it, you don't rip leeches off either, you burn them, right?
>> No. 114131
>>114124
>>114126
The metaphor comes from the act of ripping it off, not the band-aid itself. You can either pull it slowly and deal with a lot of pain, or just do it quickly and only have so much of it for a shorter amount of time.

He is not saying the idea of his relationship with Asami was bad. He was happy with Asami. He cared about Asami. The problem was their relationship was going down the shitter but he was convinced they could fix things if they gave it time, and then it became obvious that wasn't going to happen so they ended up with a poorly worded break up.

You can either pull the leech off slowly and deal with a lot of pain, or just do it quickly and only have so much of it for a shorter amount of time.

The metaphor is not so much about what's stuck to you as it is the fact it hurts and it's better to rip it off quickly than do it slowly.
>> No. 114145
>>114131
Well he's either speaking from his experience or he's bullshitting him, and if he's speaking from experience, he doesn't really have any except Asami, so if he doesn't see what they went through that way, why would that be the first thing he ran to?
>> No. 114156
>>114130
They might have band-aids, but Mako's been super poor pretty much his entire life, and is probably more used to the 'medical skills' of crazy hobos who aren't really sure what they're doing, and a
may actively distrust the recommendations of authority.

As for removing a leech, you're supposed to leave a leech to just do it's thing, since that's less painful, as they inject a painkiller. And I'm pretty sure burning the leech is a bad idea, since it causes the leech to vomit the blood back up, possibly leading to blood poisoning.
>> No. 114165
Mako was literally leeching off Asami, her wealth and status, before he traded her out for the delicious brown. Maybe its supposed to be ironic?
>> No. 114166
You actually don't want to rip leeches off because once they latch on with their teeth, you can't rip them off without taking a chunk of skin off with them.
>> No. 114172
>>114166
or you have to use fire... and burn them off. Oh dear I hope that isn't clumsy foreshadowing.
>> No. 114176
>>114145
You're not getting it, Christ.

You can still care about the person you're in a relationship with even if the relationship itself is not working out. Mako cared about Asami. But it wasn't working out. Even if you care about the other person, still forcing yourself to stay in the relationship when it's not working out is not a good idea. You can, you know, still care about a person and not necessarily have a romantic interest in them.

>>114165
No he didn't, he never used Asami's wealth or status to further himself or Bolin unless *she offered it*. Did you watch the show?
>> No. 114197
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> Thanks, Ginger! Go rest your gams.

In case anybody’s wondering, Varrick broke out some old-timey 1930’s vernacular when he spoke to Ginger.
>> No. 114198
>>114197
We need to get back to him making moving pictures. Oh maybe that will be Asami's next stage Industrialist and Movie Star
>> No. 114204
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>>114198
I think we’ll be seeing Ginger appear in some more Southern Water Tribe propaganda, possibly with less clothing and more water tribesmen drooling over her.
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>>114197

I wonder if her red hair has to do with how she looks in B&W.

Brown and black hair look pretty similar in B&W, more so if we're talking the primitive film stock Verrick is working with. And there were workarounds for how colors translated: like how chocolate syrup was used to simulate blood in B&W films, because it had the proper darkness and was cheap.

Maybe Ginger's hair isn't to help sell a sexy redhead, but to sell what will look to be a sexy brunette.
>> No. 114301
>>114205
Literally everyone in the Avatar universe is a natural brunette. Either she's a one-in-a-million oddball mutant or she dyed her hair red to make herself stand out from the crowd as an actor.

I guess she may have dyed her hair to be a trendsetter/be unique in real life, but chose red specifically instead of, say, green or yellow, because she would still have normal-looking hair in B&W film.
>> No. 114302
>>114301

Genghis Khan had red hair, supposedly. A few people use that as evidence that he was part Turk or some other Caucasian race, but his kids didn't inherit it at all, so it's possible he just had a freak genetic anomaly.
>> No. 114304
>>114302
well that is possible seeing they have found some red haired "giants" remains along some of the older trade roads in china. Heck Ginger might be a reference to that even.
>> No. 114313
>>114301
>Either she's a one-in-a-million oddball mutant or she dyed her hair red to make herself stand out from the crowd as an actor.
Maybe she's just Kyoshian? Suki was auburn, so I could see at least a few of the residents being redheaded as well. Or, at least, with a reddish enough shade to be called them in a world without actual redheads.
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>>114302
>>114304
The Uyghers in "western china" STILL have a high amount of redheads, so Genghis khan having red hair wouldn't be surprising at all, the Tocharians were a people noted for their red and blonde hair in that region in the 6th to 8th centuries before the Uyghers absorbed them.
>>114313
Red hair really really varies in our world, so if suki's auburn hair sets a precedent for SOME form of red hair, ginger having hair that's THAT fucking red isn't ENTIRELY unbelievable.
>> No. 114385
>>114339
Uyghers are in a very weird place in the world because they don't consider themselves Chinese at all, but they're not quite Russian or Middle Eastern or anything else.

Having a Ugyher-inspired people wouldn't be super far-fetched for Avatar, but it would be pretty odd since it only loosely fits the Asian inspiration of the show.
>> No. 114386
>>114385
They really aren't? I'm pretty sure they view themselves as being in the "same group" as the rest of central asia: Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan etc. Although if anyone would look like Uyghers I'd actually expect it to be Air Nomads: one theory about the fall of the Uygher Khanate was there was a mass conversion to Manicheanism, which involves vegetarianism: a difficult diet to manage if you're a steppe nomad.
>> No. 114387
>>114385
They really aren't? I'm pretty sure they view themselves as being in the "same group" as the rest of central asia: Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan etc. Although if anyone would look like Uyghers I'd actually expect it to be Air Nomads: one theory about the fall of the Uygher Khanate was there was a mass conversion to Manicheanism, which involves vegetarianism: a difficult diet to manage if you're a steppe nomad.
>> No. 114398
>>114385
The Si Wong desert tribes were analogous to Turkic peoples, so it's not unprecedented. They also seemed to be partly inspired by North Africans and Arabs though, which was kind of strange for a universe based on East Asia.
>> No. 114399
>>114385
The Si Wong desert tribes were analogous to Turkic peoples, so it's not unprecedented. They also seemed to be partly inspired by North Africans and Arabs though, which was kind of strange for a universe based on East Asia.
>> No. 114437
>>114398
>>114399
Weren't the Sun Dancer's deliberately based upon Mesoamerica, and just so happened to luckily parallel some Southeast Asian civilizations? And the Foggy Swamp tribe don't seem to have any direct Asian counterparts, either.

So, truth be told, the Avatarverse is closer to "all the existing nations are inspired by Asian civilizations, but not everyone else is".
>> No. 114443
>>114399

I thought they were based on nomads from the Gobi desert, which would cover Mongolia and parts of China just fine.

>>114437

I've heard Southeast Asia's jungles, Vietnam specifically, used as a potential point of inspiration for the Foggy Swamp tribe, but frankly, a lot of stuff just has equivalents elsewhere.

Northern Water Tribe's canal city looks like Venice? Suzhou has canals, too. Ancient Earthbending WWE? China had the same crap, minus the superpowers.
>> No. 114445
>>114437
I thought the Foggy Swamp tribe were pretty clearly Vietnamese, at least from their names.
>> No. 114446
This is like that time when V For Vendetta came out and because of American egocentrism, everyone thought a story taking the Thatcher Administration to task was about George W Bush's administration.
>> No. 114447
>>114445
I agree with this.
>> No. 114448
>>114437

I think they were based on MesoAmerica, but did have some actual Indonesian reference thrown in. Something about the Sun Warrior chief's headpiece was at least similar to some early SE Asian headwear.
>> No. 114449
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114449
Ginger may be based on the actress Jane Russell.
>> No. 114461
>>114446
That's not exactly fair. First because an adaptation can take a work in a different direction, especially with movies where the screenwriter, director, producer and even actors all have influence, and second just because a work is ABOUT one thing doesn't mean you can't look at it from other perspectives. V for Vendetta can be about thatcher and still have things to say about bush.
>>114448
>>114445
>>114443
>>114399
So pretty much a lot of stuff in avatar isn't direct rips of earth cultures, and has influence from places other than just the most obvious one.
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