>>113245
She's a little young to be forming a new form of police, let her get through puberty first maybe

>"They're world class storytellers and getting up close to get some insight into their process has been great to me."

(Stop being a passive-aggressive shit.)

Maybe we'll meet Lin's dad.

>>113245
I thought this was going to center on Aang and the beginning construction of Republic City?

>>113252
considering toph is helping to develop the police force it'll probably be about the both of them.

>>113249
You mean Azula's gonna be in the comic?

>>113249
>>113264
So THAT was the great destiny Ursa was trying to tell her about. It all makes perfect sense now.

>>113271
So the Mother of Faces is going to turn Azula into a man who will impregnate Toph?

>>113280
The Mother of Dicks

>>113280
Or just give her a cock.

You have to admit, Lin is definitely awesome enough to be the child of Azula and Toph.

>>113296
She certainly gets fanwanked enough, at any rate.

>>113296
That would imply Azula doesn't already have a dick.

She does, and it's bigger than Zuko's. And yours.

>>113438
Do want...

>>113438
>She does, and it's bigger than Zuko's. And yours.
Neither of those feats is that impressive, Anon.

>>113438
>She does, and it's bigger than Zuko's. And yours.
So, just as in reality, Avatarverse penis length is inversely proportional to an individual's capacity for rage?

Inversely proportional or simply proportional?

>>113648
Inversely. Otherwise angry people would have big dicks, which is, in my experience, disappointingly not the case. And it would also explain why Azula, who doesn't tend to be angry, has a bigger dick than Zuko (who's always angry) and anon (a species of people typically characterized byt it's anger).

Will we ever see them as parents raising their children?

>>113801

Unlikely.

Unless the whole ATLA expended universe thing really takes off,

The truth awaits:

http://www.fandompost.com/2013/09/19/avatar-the-last-airbender-the-search-part-3-graphic-novel-review/

In that link, you'll find answers to your questions, full-on spoilers. You do want to know how this all ends, don't you?

>>114099
There's some predictable stuff, but these spoilers make me happy.

>>114099
Can anyone confirm or deny the rumor that Azula is Ikem and Ursa's daughter, not Ozai's?

Deny would be preferable.

>>114101
There is no bastard. Ursa made the letter to troll Ozai and make him admit to creeping in her mail. He did not take it well.

>>114099
Koh the face stealer is involved this? That's good, I always did feel like the original series introduced too many metaphysical concepts/creatures of the week at first so it's good that some of them are interconnected in the end.

>>114099
Yeesh. The spoilers make this sound like it was all kind of a tremendous waste of time. Especially as far as Azula is involved.

>>114109

I'm holding out until I can actually read it and not just count on reviewer's interpretations of it to judge, but it doesn't sound good so far.

The story's interesting enough, but it's not really what I thought they'd prioritize. Honestly, while I don't mind learning about Ursa's backstory, I don't really care. Outside of finding her, I don't think many other fans care either. My interest in this was always Zuko and Azula's relationship, finding out more on how Azula became how she is, and what finding Ursa meant for them.

I still don't understand why they changed it so that Ursa didn't murder Azulon. How is that worse than using your son as bait to catch your sociopathic husband reading your letters? Are they trying to make her more of a saint and just fumbled it spectacularly? Is this meant to be bringing her down from her pedestal in Zuko Alone? If so, why take away the murder? That was the most interesting thing about her, and it would have been cool if we found out Azula inherited her ruthlessness from Ursa rather than Ozai.

>>114114
So who did kill Azulon? Did he just conviniently die of natural causes the very night Ursa tried to poison him?

It will also be interesting to see what Azula does next. I doubt she'll be able to lead a rebellion without regaining her sanity. Maybe she'll just become a figure head.

>>114179
>>114114
IIRC it was never actually said in the show that Ursa murdered Azulon? It was just something fandom gathered from what we saw in Zuko Alone.

Also who the fuck is telling the story? Ursa?

>>114179
In the Search pt 2, it shows her making the poison to give to Ozai. She was still involved, but less proactive in it.

>>114180

It was never outright said, but Zuko Alone implied it very strongly.

>>114180
>>114191
Ozai explained it in Day of Black Sun.

I guess this is the spoiler thread. Everything looks confirmed, and we have a few panels.

Avatar The Search Part 3 Revie…

Aaaaaand /co/ has already started to call Ursa a cunt for abandoning and forgetting about her childrenwillingly.

It was a pretty awful thing to do though.

>>115585
Okay it is really weird that she was seemingly so willing to just forget them without harboring any hope she could have seen them again. I could see her doing it if, say, she tried to occasion to sneak back to see them or tried to contact them. Firelo's probably having a field day.

>>115587
Just upset that this looks like the permanent end of Azula's story since Bryke haven't liked the character from day 1.

>>115589

That's kinda an odd thing to say, "not liking Azula?"

>>115590
How is it odd? Did we both watch Sozin's Comet?

>>115591

That's not "hating the character," though. That's just "how the villain was defeated." I'm pretty sure they like Azula just fine, but she is the primary antagonist of Season 2 and the secondary antagonist of season 3, after Ozai. She's not exactly gonna get off scott free for her actions.

If anything, Bryke loved Azula too much, and made her a much more compelling Endgame villain than Ozai, such that Aang's fight with Ozai was almost a disappointment compared to the final showdown with Azula. It was flashy, sure, but the emotional payoff for the ending was in the Zuko/Katara vs. Azula fight, not the Aang vs. Ozai fight.

>>115595
Fair point, but isn't it more directed toward the animators than the writers?

I think Azula was mainly a foil to Zuko, especially in season 3. She was there to contrast to him, show off his growth, and explain why it was so important Zuko find a new family. If Bryke had liked her, they might have included a final episode scene where Iroh visits her in the asylum, or insisted on giving her story a proper ending in this comic.

>>115596
No, because the issue was down to the amount of screentime and character development Azula got versus the amount Ozai got--we cared about Azula's ultimate fate because we reacted to her as a person. She was an evil, manipulative and terrifying woman who pretty much every character had a personal emotional investment in taking down.

Ozai, on the other hand, we really only cared about his fate as a plot device. The only character who had any emotional connection with him was Zuko, and he pretty much wrapped up his emotional arc with Ozai in the Day of Black Sun. If they had shown Ozai even half as much love as they had showed Azula over the course of the series, the final episode would've had a lot more impact without having to change anything else.

>>115596
I guess maybe with leaving it this wide open they're eventually going to bring her back for Korra. Like in season 4; maybe; or another comic story.

>>115599
I'm going to wager she'll resurface in The Rift, her coming back in LOK to have her character arc finally wrapped up would be kind of awkward.

>>115601
I think they're taking a break from all things Fire Nation in The Rift. Gene Yang has already set up a scenario for Mai reuniting with Zuko and that stuff with the New Ozai Society, Azula's story could do with tying up and he's already said he doesn't want The Rift Trilogy to be the last of his ATLA comics so they'll probably string Azula's return until 2015.

>>115599
>>115601
Yeah, as far as TLoK is concerned, I don't see them bringing back a 95 year old Azula to wrap up her character arc.

Really, any worthwile development for Azula would have to be done in her own trilogy. No Aang, no Zuko, just a story focusing on Azula and Azula alone. And while I didn't intend it as I typed that, Zuko Alone is a perfect reference for what needs to be done with Azula. If they're gonna go the redemption route (if), then we need some time getting to know Azula on a deeper level. We need to know more about why she is the way she is. Just like in Zuko alone, we don't necessarily need a redemption (again, if that's the direction they choose to go) in her side story itself, but we do need a setup and reasons for why it could happen and not just because Azula's sad and crazy.

http://korraspirit.tumblr.com/post/65059603390/new-image-set-of-the-search-part-3-the-search

Image leak set

>>115605
Soo what happens to Ikem and their kid? Does she just accept that she has new parents or what?

>>115606
Kiyi gets to grow up and tell stories to her kids about what awful parents she had; because this is post-2008 Avatar and that's the only kind of characterization anyone will ever get.

Oh and before you ban me for daring to have an opinion contrary to Daniel Murphy; just let me say how incredibly tiresome it's getting for this eternal march of all parents being despicable sociopaths to be forced on this universe because the least talented of the producers involved has some kind of unresolved problem with the existence of the family that forces him to push this disgusting shit into every aspect of everything he does. It's very wearying to keep seeing this critical theory-based fucking Marxism in a story that used to be about magic kung fu; friendship; and love.

Really fucking tiresome.

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>>115615
i have no idea what the fuck you are on about

>>115617
Honestly, anon. Everyone knows that the reason for the prominence of dysfunctional families in Avatar is because of the producers hating families, instead of it being because family members end to be shitty people who have no business raising a family in the first place.

>>115614
>>115615
You're free to have your shitty opinion as long as you quit bombarding every thread with worthless, whining posts. We're not the fucking gestapo over here.

>just let me say how incredibly tiresome it's getting for this eternal march of all parents being despicable sociopaths to be forced on this universe

Kya, Hakoda, Kanna, Ursa (pre-comic stupidity), Gyatso (sorta counts), Iroh, Chief Arnook, Tahn, Ying, The Mechanist, Sela, Gansu, Aang, Katara, Toph, Tenzin, Pema, Senna, and Tonraq would all like to have a word with you.

>>115619
Ursa has never been the great epitome of motherhood everyone makes of her, really.

>>115615

You get banned for being the guy who always incites arguments with purposeful misinterpretations and shithead complaints in every thread, not for having a different opinion.

Just like right now, even.

>>115626
Nor is she as bad as her detractors want to make her out to be, what's your point? She still did everything she could to protect her son. And anyway, there are still several more names on that list.

>>115615
>>115618
Dysfunctional families are NOT the norm in Avatar, they only get the most focus (just like in almost any other story) because they're more interesting from a storytelling perspective.

>>115629
Except most of the families we see in Avatar DO fall out of what is typically deemed "normal" these days. How many examples of a regular family that is actually able to exist as one for any protracted period of time?

>>115636
Outside of the norm =/= dysfunctional.

>>115637
But "acting in an abnormal or impaired manner" is the dictionary definition of the word dysfunctional, and something which is "abnormal" is not normal. So, yes, something being outside of the norm does actually make it dysfunctional.

>>115642
You're completely missing or ignoring the point that there are a lot of GOOD, functional parents in addition to he dysfunctional ones.

>>115642
No. Something being outside the norm can still be completely functional. These two words do not mean the same thing.

>>115642

Acting like the dictionary is the end-all-be-all when everyone else was using the more common colloquial definition is derailing/trolling 101, stop being a giant asshole about this.

>>115629
You know there's a difference between something being prominent and something being the norm, right? Dysfunctional families take up more screen time in Avatar than the functional ones, and generally have more impact on the plot, making them more prominent than the functional ones.

>>115655
And Avatar isn't unique for doing that. By this logic we can say a good chunk of media hates 'normal' families when that isn't the case, it's just an extremely common storytelling technique.

>>115656
Okay, apparently the original post I made wasn't as clearly patronizing and sarcastic as I first thought it would. Not understanding why, since generally that format always makes it clear how stupid the opinion I'm attempting to justify is.

My honest to goodness opinion is this: Avatar features prominent dysfunctional families because they are more useful for plot purposes and generally entertain an audience more. This is true for multiple types of media, and is in no way a flaw of the Avatar franchise. What I do consider a flaw, however, is that the families tend to be dysfunctional in the same way, which just make sit seem repetitive and lose impact.

Good god, I'm not looking forward to this at all, given how the Search went.
I would really prefer it if they let everyone fill in the blanks for themselves from now on.
That's really the thing with the comics. Non of these are stories they needed to tell and to me they actually detract from the package.
To quote Miles Davis: "It's not the notes you play; it's the notes you don't play."

>>115668
I've kinda been feeling this way myself. I get that Bryke chose Yang for his credentials, but things have just been a bit off with his stories. Some explanations have been too on the nose (Aang straight-up naming his fan club the "Air Acolytes" days after finding out about them?) and his idea of characterization seems to be having the characters repeat the same words and phrases over and over ("Sweetie" and "Lily Liver" being the worst offenders).
Personally, I want Johane Matte (rufftoon on Deviantart and Tumblr) to write an arc. Anyone who's read her "Water Tribe" story knows that she's more than capable of telling a good Avatar story.

>>115669
>>115669

>(Aang straight-up naming his fan club the "Air Acolytes" days after finding out about them?)

I'm not sure I see the issue with this. Aang wanted to transform his little fan club into an actual religious movement dedicated to the restoration of Air Nomad culture. Naming them Acolytes was perfectly reasonable.

>and his idea of characterization seems to be having the characters repeat the same words and phrases over and over ("Sweetie" and "Lily Liver" being the worst offenders).

This seems to be the case in The Promise more than in The Search where I think Yang's writing improved. I think the abundance of Yang's use of catchphrases like Lily Livers and Sweeties in the Promise shows how green he was coming into the franchise. Obviously he's a fan of the series and I think his grasp of the characters, for the most part, is accurate, but there's a difference in grasping a character as an audience member and grasping them as a writer. You can tell in the case of a character like Toph, Yang does struggle to write her and he pretty much has admitted that Toph was more difficult to write for him. I also think in some cases, it's not so much that Yang can't write them as much as it is that he's a bit restricted in how he's allowed to write them. For instance, Yang didn't want Aang and Katara to be the big bottle of sweeties they were in The Promise, if I remember correctly. He wanted Aang and Katara to have more trouble in their relationship, but of course Mike and Bryan shot that down. So certain things in comics might feel less natural or more dull just cause Yang is not writing the characters in the way that he could write them best and is most interested in writing them.

I have been enjoying both comics so far, but I can't help but wonder if Yang had been allowed to create more problems in Kataang in the Promise like he originally wanted, would it have felt more natural or just more interesting than the the stuff we ended up actually getting? I don't know, but it's obvious that with some relationships and character dynamics Yang has greater difficulty, but Yang's not really odd in the world of writing for established series for that. Some writers are just better with other characters or relationship dynamics than they are with others. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with that. But there is a question of to what extent can Yang overcome those limitations and learn to write all the different characters and relationships that he is being demanded to write. And if he can only go so far, then it might be wise to hire another writer when it comes to handling particular characters/stories. I think The Rift, which Yang might have more creative freedom than he did with the The Search, might help us to see more of what Yang is capable of when he's free to do more of what he wants to do with the characters and setting, but also show us how he's improved with handling his previous stumbling blocks like Toph.

>>115671
I THINK they might be referring to how Aang conveniently named them the acolytes right off of the bat and the whole moment lacked subtlety. Then again, it's a comic aimed at preteens, I can't really fault it for stuff like that.

>>115671
> I also think in some cases, it's not so much that Yang can't write them as much as it is that he's a bit restricted in how he's allowed to write them. For instance, Yang didn't want Aang and Katara to be the big bottle of sweeties they were in The Promise, if I remember correctly. He wanted Aang and Katara to have more trouble in their relationship, but of course Mike and Bryan shot that down.

And it's good they shot that down, because it's a stupid idea. DRAAAMAAA =/= interesting. He didn't have to make them into sickeningly-sappy lovey-dovey SWEETIES just because he couldn't make them break up or have stupid arguments like he did with Mai and Zuko, or Ozai and Ursa. You can make a couple cute without giving the audience diabetus, but I guess he's just not very good at that sort of thing.

>So certain things in comics might feel less natural or more dull just cause Yang is not writing the characters in the way that he could write them best and is most interested in writing them.

Hey, that's his problem, then. If you're a good writer, you work around the roadblocks, rather than setting up new ones.

>I have been enjoying both comics so far, but I can't help but wonder if Yang had been allowed to create more problems in Kataang in the Promise like he originally wanted, would it have felt more natural or just more interesting than the the stuff we ended up actually getting?

No and no. Even if he had all the Zutara relationship DRAMA~ he wanted, there's still the problem with how he's been handling other things. The incessant playground insults, the OOC-ness, characters running around with the Idiot Ball, the stupid retconning. There are still some scenes I enjoy, but by and large, I'm really disliking these comics. I wish they'd let someone else take a shot at them. That was the nice thing about the Nick Mag comics. Despite being shorter, and more "kid-friendly" at times, you had more variety. Here, it's just more of the same ol' thing.

>>115674

>And it's good they shot that down, because it's a stupid idea.

How so? I say it isn't. Can you prove me wrong?

>DRAAAMAAA =/= interesting

I'll take drama over corny honeymoon bullshit any day


>like he did with Mai and Zuko, or Ozai and Ursa.

Can you prove these were Yang's ideas? Mai and Zuko I could see, but Ozai and Ursa was obviously Mike's idea.

>Hey, that's his problem, then. If you're a good writer, you work around the roadblocks, rather than setting up new ones.

Every writer has his limitations. No writer is good at writing every story or character and can never expect to. The important thing is understanding where your limitations as a writer or story teller are

>Even if he had all the Zutara relationship DRAMA~ he wanted

I like how idiots use Zutaran like it were the new "commie"

>>115676

Gene liked Zutara better, as in actually was a Zutara shipper, last I heard. Not in a way like "he wanted Aang and Katara to have issues, therefore Zutara" I mean literally, he shipped it.

Then again, all I have to go on are internet rumours.

Also, Mike and Bryan had theorized that Ozai and Ursa's marriage was happy once, in an interview, so I'm not sure how Ursa being this prisoner of love was 100% their idea.

>>115677
>Gene liked Zutara better, as in actually was a Zutara shipper, last I heard.

So? Do people honestly think a 40 year old man who writes comics professionally is so butthurt that his ship didn't happen that he's now looking to sabotage an established franchise because of it? I understand that the Avatar fandom is full of a bunch of immature twenty something year old girls who are mad they wasted so much writing fanfics just for them to get steam rolled by the Yang-Mike-Bryan team, but they could at least get some perspective.

>Also, Mike and Bryan had theorized that Ozai and Ursa's marriage was happy once, in an interview, so I'm not sure how Ursa being this prisoner of love was 100% their idea.

Ideas can change, especially after so many years.

The entire premise of The Search was pretty much handed to Yang by Mike, since the comic dealt with a very big mystery from the series, one created by Mike and Bryan originally. I highly doubt Yang was given much freedom at all when it came to anything related to Ursa beyond her actual dialogue.

>>115678
>Do people honestly think a 40 year old man who writes comics professionally is so butthurt that his ship didn't happen that he's now looking to sabotage an established franchise because of it?

Considering Bryke had to tell Gene to leave Kataang alone I think having them go through some deeper trouble was in the cards at one point.

>>115676
>I'll take drama over corny honeymoon bullshit any day
You can either keep your focus on the new canon couple to a minimum save for acknowledging they're together in simplistic ways or you can drag everyone through convoluted bullshit that only a minority really want to see, because in the end we all know they'll just end up staying together. We just spent three books waiting for Kataang to get together, why would you want to see possibly the only time with them being a couple (and it not even being the primary focus) be about them fighting? Leave them alone. Yeah, the sweetie shit was cheesy as fuck but it was also ridiculously IC for both of them and it wasn't even THAT prevalent, I found Toph's new pirate persona ten times as annoying.

>>115679

>Considering Bryke had to tell Gene to leave Kataang alone I think having them go through some deeper trouble was in the cards at one point.

So what? That doesn't mean he intended to try to break them up so Zutara would happen or anything like that. Just that he wanted things between to get a little difficult.


>You can either keep your focus on the new canon couple to a minimum save for acknowledging they're together in simplistic ways or you can drag everyone through convoluted bullshit that only a minority really want to see, because in the end we all know they'll just end up staying together. We just spent three books waiting for Kataang to get together, why would you want to see possibly the only time with them being a couple (and it not even being the primary focus) be about them fighting? Leave them alone.

I would have preferred something like everything's perfect between them at first, until the colony situation becomes worse and Katara's own feelings on the matter conflict with Aang's and so they have an actual argument, as opposed to pretty much everyone ganging up on Zuko and Katara just keeping her mouth shut cause Aang's her boyfriend. That would have been ten times better than any sweeties.

>>115678

No, I don't think Gene would stoop so low as to let shipping preferences and years dead fandom drama influence his writing, I was just trying to explain why somebody called him a Zutaran.

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>>115680
Katara didn't keep her mouth shut, though, she just said she can see where the colonists are coming from in a less Zuko-like fashion.