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111473 No. 111473
I support the Equalists. I may have been born a waterbender, but I agree with Amon even after the unveiling of his secret power. Nobody would listen to a bender on the subject of civil rights for those not blessed with such abilities. Concealing such is the only way to truly get the message out which is why I have taken it upon myself to never use my bending powers again. I want Equality now and I will stop at nothing until non-benders are equal to benders in every possible way.
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>> No. 111474
http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html
>> No. 111476
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111476
>>111474
TL:DR, what is that?
>> No. 111477
>>111476
It's a Kurt Vonnegut story, fucking read it.
>> No. 111485
>>111477
>Kurt Vonnegut
I never heard of this person.
>> No. 111486
>>111485

Kill yourself.
>> No. 111487
>>111485

Kill yourself.
>> No. 111488
>>111485

Kill yourself.
>> No. 111489
>>111486
>>111487
>>111488
Nice spam.
>> No. 111490
>>111489
I was quite proud of it.
>> No. 111497
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111497
Diversity though equality.

Equalists were basically pro-fascist reactionaries. How many times did Amon bring up income inequality of the poor in Republic City? Also in technology helped bring non-benders to the same level benders what is the point of taking their power away?

What the non-benders should have done is attacked the fact that they had no representatives on the Republic City council. (2 waterbenders, 1 firebender, 1 earthbender, and one 1 airbender)
>> No. 111498
>>111497
>How many times did Amon bring up income inequality of the poor in Republic City?

Never.

The Equalists were squarely focused on eliminating bending, and the perceived oppression created by bending. They didn't talk about feeding the hungry or about uplifting the poor. Amon never talked about how technology had rendered bending pointless, just that it had put the power of a chi-blocker in the palm of anyone's hand without any of the training involved.

As for being fascist (or fascist-ish, anyway) I don't have a firm opinion on it. They match about 9-10 of the traits assigned to fascism here:
http://rense.com/general37/char.htm

They're not sexist, and labor relations don't seem to exist in Republic City to begin with so they can't be oppressed. But I think it's safe to say that they're very much a personality cult.

Noatak made the whole revolution to revolve around the greatness of his Amon persona, and to feed his sadistic side. He toys with his enemies, making them think they stand a chance while he's secretly using his bloodbending against them, and stages grand productions where he 'equalizes' the world in full view of his followers.
>> No. 111499
>>111498
that awkward moment when the US fits the bill pretty well.
>> No. 111502
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>>111498

Amon's shtick is that bending leads to pain and suffering. Benders can't help but cause chaos as a result of abilities they do not understand, and so he appeals to more to the history of bending crimes and destruction, which often have nonbenders helplessly on the receiving end. Either benders are in control and waging wars on each other that get nonbenders in the crossfire or they are working to use their abilities to undermine, intimidate and extort legitimate nonbender businessman, regular citizens and leaders, which we a lot of instances of in both series.

Really all Amon has to do is stand in front of a crowd of nonbenders and say "Okay, how many of you here have been or know somebody's who's been harmed unjustly by a bender." Chances are a lot of people are going to raise their hands. At that point Amon goes into a huge lecture on war crimes and oppression perpetrated by benders during the hundred year war, the everyday list of crimes in the newspaper that feature bending criminals and boom. He instantly has fed the people with this idea that bending is causing more destruction than good that even benders can't properly regulate and control themselves.

Next, he preaches the religious element of his movement, a way of explaining why bending, if it is causing all this pain, is an everyday reality of the world nonbenders live in and why has something not been done about it before if it is so bad. Amon's explanation is that bending is the result of an inherent "impurity" in human nature. It is man mimicking and disobeying the heavenly mandates of the spirits that watch over the world. Amon pumps the idea into his people that bending is some kind of unholy witchcraft, a power inherently flawed in its nature due to the inferiority of human nature. It is a sign of man's disobedience and a cheap imitation of the holy works of his heavenly and spiritual superiors. And instead helping bring balance and harmony to the world, it has only divided human beings along bending lines, which just prevents them from understanding the true harmony that exists between the elements because they are too caught up in the virtues of a single element. Why? Because that's what their race happens to bend. In the end, bending doesn't encourage balance, it just encourages human beings to try to do outdo and subdue the other elements which contributes to the lack of balance between them in the world. Nonbenders, however, do not discriminate between any element and enjoy the fruits each element has to offer equally with no particular bias. They dwell in humility to the spirits of each element, reserving direct psychic manipulation of each of them only to those with the authority and right, who are above human nature, and they produce only that which is an amalgamation of each element, thus personifying most perfectly the harmony that exists between the elemental spirits. Meanwhile, the benders are so obsessed with looking unique and special that they obsess over only the element which they so happen to bend and expect nonbenders to narrow their minds as much as them because they happen to share a blood relation. Benders see themselves as gods, nonbenders understand they are servants of higher powers. Benders compete for one element to dominate the other, nonbenders enjoy all elements equally and seek not the oppression of water by fire or vice versa. Benders divide humanity into classes based on elemental affiliation, nonbenders are all the same and have no need for such things. Benders like bending because its a simple and easy means of getting what they want, nonbenders understand the dignity of hard work that goes into the creation and use of the elements. The Avatar came into the world because it thought it could regulate power between benders, but like all benders, it was blind to the true harmony that existed between the elements and only became a part of the problem, although the spirits made use of it as a tool from time to time to curtail the destruction wrought by the benders. By anointing Amon with the power to rid the world of bending, a new era in which human beings may achieve a greater peace and understanding of the elements can begin and through it all they may achieve a higher spiritual enlightenment and station alongside the elemental spirits and even beyond them.


tl;dr-- There are some real reasons why nonbenders might begin to think bending is something bad or unnecessary for humans. Most of them are probably religious and reactions to most recent historical events where benders nearly destroyed the world. And some could argue that nonbenders don't tend to disrupt the balance between the elements while benders do.
>> No. 111678
>>111498
You can still be oppressed without labor restrictions.
>> No. 111692
Man Amon was pretty awesome when he was taking on benders with kung-fu like previous non-bender ass-kickers, and overcoming bloodbending from the newly revealed retardo-ha><>< bloodbending-mutants with sheer force of will and conviction.

Then... wahh daddy issues, lol I'm also one of the broken mutant-bloodbenders, badly written climaxes....

The fact they just made him a bending hypocrite from a family of a terrible concept with weak reasons for what he did... its like an easy way just to quickly brush off what he had built up after he was beaten. He was the bad guy so everything he was doing was false.
>> No. 111693
>>111692

>He was the bad guy so everything he was doing was false.

And this is a bad thing how?
>> No. 111694
>>111692
given how heavily bryke have referenced asian history in the past i don't get why people are surprised when, AGAIN, they referenced a part of it for their show.
>> No. 111695
>>111694
As someone who doesn't have a degree in Asianology, it might help if you'd actually explain what exactly what it is that you think they're referencing.
>> No. 111708
>>111497
>What the non-benders should have done is attacked the fact that they had no representatives on the Republic City council. (2 waterbenders, 1 firebender, 1 earthbender, and one 1 airbender)

Considering that bending is not even a requirement for council membership (they are appointed by the various nations), by far the less hollow argument is the need for Home Rule.

>>111502
>tl;dr-- There are some real reasons why nonbenders might begin to think bending is something bad or unnecessary for humans. Most of them are probably religious and reactions to most recent historical events where benders nearly destroyed the world. And some could argue that nonbenders don't tend to disrupt the balance between the elements while benders do.

A) I wonder what would happen if a speaker asked if anyone was related to or benefited from the actions of Benders.

B) I am forcibly reminded of Othar Tryggvassen, GENTLEMAN ADVENTURER! from Girl Genius. This is not a good thing.
>> No. 111709
>>111708
Tenzin would be home rule, wouldn't he? The "Air Nation" (such as it is) exists entirely in Republic City.
>> No. 111710
>>111709
yeah it IS a little bizarre that the air nomads have a representative considering there are probably less than 50 of them, but then again we didn't see any acolyte casually strolling down the street of rc, they seem to be an entirely self-sustaining group.
>> No. 111763
>>111710
Vatican City is it's own self-sustaining country too.
>> No. 111765
>>111763
If by self-sustaining you mean they sustain themselves off the donations of others, then yes.
>> No. 112123
>>111765
THIS. The Vatican does not produce or contribute anything at all to the rest of Italy.
>> No. 112124
>>112123

Actually, it's a pretty big source of tourism.
>> No. 112127
>>112124
a leech is still a leech even if you somehow manage to work medicine out of it.
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