>>110440
Yeah, you'd have a higher chance of dying being around Bond, unless you are a woman and don't mind some meat in your taco.

But you can still have people that are just symbols like Batman. They've made up their minds and have elevated themselves to being more than human, but that doesn't make them boring. And even if he is boring the world around him is at least entertaining.

Even just in up to and including the Blue Spirit, Aang goes through a wide spectrum of challenges and develops here and there. If Mako is perhaps suppose to be a stationary stalwart figure, then I don't know. We now apparently have him being a cop - facet of Lin Beifong, apparently cracking jokes - facet of Bolin, and a snappy dresser who knows how to drive well - a facet of Asami. Granted we don't have the final product in front of us, but if he can just develop off screen in 6 months like this...wait where am I going with this? Dang it I really don't know but I feel the need to post as I've already made it this far.

>>110441
You were building up to say that Mako's building up to just steal the well liked aspects of other characters in order to make him seem better.

I kid, of course, but the main problem with Mako is this - dickish characters tend to be entertaining because they're designed to be dicks. It's why you see villains praised for their villainous acts, and heroes for their heroic ones. Some people don't feel that Mako was supposed to appear a dickish as they perceived him to be, so instead of writing it off as a writing flaw, they just mindlessly hate the character instead.

>>110445
>Some people don't feel that Mako was supposed to appear a dickish as they perceived him to be, so instead of writing it off as a writing flaw, they just mindlessly hate the character instead.
Why can't I hate both?

>>110447
You can, if you so want. Just please don't say that Mako is the singular thing that dragged the entire show down, and that by removing him all of the shows problems would magically disappear and it'd be a masterpiece. Hating him as a character and hating how the show's writing are two different but not mutually exclusive things.

>>110445
It's obvious Mako was intended to be a colossal dick but for some reason Bryke thought we were supposed to LIKE him for being one when his role in the story called for the exact opposite; his entire character is a one-note hot-headed control freak. That's the archetype of a villain. He would be better off being played as a creepy stalker that Korra has to deal with than her forever girl.

>>110497
I didn't really see it as that obvous. I suppose one could argue that his first scene made him appear dickish, but I can't really say that it did a good job of in my opinion. Actually, if anything, episodes 3 and 4 did a good job of making him not seem like a dick.

>>110497
>his entire character is a one-note hot-headed control freak. That's the archetype of a villain. He would be better off being played as a creepy stalker that Korra has to deal with than her forever girl.
the fuck?

>>110500
Look at Mako's behavior in episode 9 and tell me that in any other show he would not be the creepy-ass villain.

>>110501
I think you're overly fixating on that episode.

>>110508
He's the same way throughout the whole series; trying to control his brother and Korra and Asami and telling Lin and Tenzin to fuck off. He is a nearly perfect starting point for someone who goes mad with desire for control and becomes a villain. He's clingy and possessive and won't leave Korra alone for five seconds. Making him into this Ace Dick motorcycle cop we're all supposed to love and give endless sloppy blowjobs because his name is Mako is fucking offensive to the laws of good storytelling. Everything about him makes him an unlikeable shitheel but he gets presented as always right, always the good guy, and always someone whose triumphs we're supposed to cheer on.

>>110509
>He's clingy and possessive and won't leave Korra alone for five seconds.

Okay, in episode 9 he first thought Korra had been kidnapped by a terrorist group that had, in the past: nearly taken away his brother's bending, destroyed his main source of income and his home, and had ruined his girlfriend's life and had taken her only living family member away from her. But THEN it turns out she had been kidnapped by a guy who could fucking bloodbend in the middle of the day. Combined with the fact that it's in his nature to be overprotective of the people he cares about, how else was he supposed to react?

I mean, by your logic Katara was a super villain because of how much she hung around Aang.

>It's obvious Mako was intended to be a colossal dick but for some reason Bryke thought we were supposed to LIKE him

Dude that makes no sense

>110501

Taking it out of context, maybe. But within context I'm left wondering where this guy came from all of a sudden.

He shows no interest in her, despite Korra constantly trying to get him to notice her and then practically throwing herself at him in Episode 5. He is the one who acknowledges her as a 'great athlete' and 'Avatar' so he still thinks of her as an object contrary to what the announcer at the beginning of Episode 5 tells us rather than Mako himself showing us.

Then he holds an ultimatum over their friendship if Korra doesn't drop her supposed vendetta against Asami. The Avatar's right and Mako apologizes really for, it seems like from the writing, being wrong rather than for his actions. Korra tells him to by Asami's side and be there for her.

And NOW after Tarrlok kidnaps Korra, Mako suddenly emotes and threatens an Equalist with a fist full of flames while Tenzin watches without batting an eye. Then once she's back with them, Mako cradles her.

And I'm just like, who is this guy? Where did this guy come from? Is this a different Mako? Did the guys who made the first four episodes write the rest of this?

>>110510
Look up the original character bible from season 1 and see what Toph was originally supposed to be and tell me that Bryke care about things making sense.

>110501

Taking it out of context, maybe. But within context I'm left wondering where this guy came from all of a sudden.

He shows no interest in her, despite Korra constantly trying to get him to notice her and then practically throwing herself at him in Episode 5. He is the one who acknowledges her as a 'great athlete' and 'Avatar' so he still thinks of her as an object contrary to what the announcer at the beginning of Episode 5 tells us rather than Mako himself showing us.

Then he holds an ultimatum over their friendship if Korra doesn't drop her supposed vendetta against Asami. The Avatar's right and Mako apologizes really for, it seems like from the writing, being wrong rather than for his actions. Korra tells him to by Asami's side and be there for her.

And NOW after Tarrlok kidnaps Korra, Mako suddenly emotes and threatens an Equalist with a fist full of flames while Tenzin watches without batting an eye. Then once she's back with them, Mako cradles her.

And I'm just like, who is this guy? Where did this guy come from? Is this a different Mako? Did the guys who made the first four episodes write the rest of this?

>>110509
>He's clingy and possessive and won't leave Korra alone for five seconds.

Okay, in episode 9 he first thought Korra had been kidnapped by a terrorist group that had, in the past: nearly taken away his brother's bending, destroyed his main source of income and his home, and had ruined his girlfriend's life and had taken her only living family member away from her. But THEN it turns out she had been kidnapped by a guy who could fucking bloodbend in the middle of the day. Combined with the fact that it's in his nature to be overprotective of the people he cares about, how else was he supposed to react?

I mean, by your logic Katara was a super villain because of how much she hung around Aang.

> trying to control his brother and Korra and Asami

I... cannot recall an instance in which he tried to control Korra. He never tried to control Asami, and you know what? Bolin's a freaking idiot and would get himself killed without Mako. He was left alone for, what, a few hours and ended up nearly getting his bending taken away. Did you think Mako told him not to hang out with the Triads because Mako gets some sick kick out of ordering Bolin around? No, it's because the Triads are bad news. And Mako was right. Obviously it's a problem that Bolin is still so naive and doesn't have much experience being on his own, but that looks like it's being tackled next season.

And yes, it is also a problem that Mako sheltered Bolin to such an extreme point, but that doesn't mean Mako is a control freak, it means he wanted his little brother to have a happy upbringing.

It's like tumblr brainwashed people.

>>110515
I doubt anyone needs tumblr to persuade them into seeing any aspect of this show for what it is as long they're over the age of 12. Without the shipping, Mako doesn't even have a function in the story.

>>110517
Overreaction from braindead teenagers on tumblr turnerd a badly written character into the worst human being ever, an abuser, a potential rapist and so on.

>>110514 and others make valid points that get ignored just because endlessly whining about Mako is cool or something.

>>110518
Those aren't valid points because Mako and Bolin aren't even relevant to anything going in the story; they're just THERE all the time taking up screen time with stupid meaningless shit nobody has a reason to care about.

>>110517
That's a different point than calling Mako a bad person, which I think is unreasonable. He's a bad character, because he's boring and irritating, but he never does anything awful besides light adultery.

>>110519
>>110521

Are we really at this point? Where we can't do a single thing if it doesn't advance the over-arching meta plot lest it's deemed useless chaff? We can't have characters be there for character dynamics or for acting as a foil? Everything has to be that dry? We aren't writing a fucking Haiku here, there's no arbitrary rule that says that everything in this show had to be some sort of perfect sword strike of storytelling. Short as Korra's first season was, we had *some* time to give the characters downtime and have conversations that weren't all about Amon and the Equalists.

>>110522

But Sharkman, something something Mike and something bad something something hacks.

I trust I'm clear.

>>110519

>finally making headway digging out from Hurricane Sandy's wrath
>finally get real internet access again
>do some gaming, browsing, decide to hit up +/a/
>people are STILL bitching about Korra

SHUT THE FUCK UP.

>>110526

I know man. Sorry.

I'm thinkin' 'bout doin' sumthin'...

>>110522
I'd be fine with that IF IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
What we got was shipper drama and half-assed toddler comedy.

Seriously, I may be forgetting things by now but do the teen characters have a conversation amongst themselves which doesn't revolve around who Mako is going to bang?

For fuck's sake guys, doesn't your bitching-quota get met on regular /co/ for this kind of thing? Must you smear the shit everywhere? All I'm asking for is ONE decent board to discuss stuff on that doesn't devolve into sniping at characters you don't like simply because they aren't perfect and actually deal with relationships in a non-idealistic manner.

If you hate the damn show so much, just talk about the first one over again; the traffic on this board is too slow for me to overlook such misery.

>>110534
There's the meet up at Sato's mansion. The pool scene was just the bros hanging out with Asami until Korra possibly showed up. They just splash about with antics until Korra asks Asami what she has planned. Then they go to the race track.

Do you consider Korra being a jerk to Asami an affect of "revolve around who Mako is going to bang?" Because then I can't include the first portion of Tarrlok's gala, the above, nor the accusation of Hiroshi.

The finale had them being somewhat civil in the hobo camp and while making plans on what to do against Amon. Other than that, I can't recall a time the 4 teens did something positive together.

The show was far from perfect, I know. I was pretty uninvested in the Mako/Korra romance in general, and definitely would have preferred a 13th episode to help with the pacing of the finale, but I'm not willing to throw the whole thing under a bus for my own gripes.

>>110534

Yeah, it was in a scene I like to call "the majority of the season."

>>110536

I wouldn't go so far as to claim Korra's accusation of Sato to be about being jealous of Asami. This was after she had faced down Amon and got completely, utterly, humiliated. She was left haunted about it, plus she's naturally impulsive, so overhearing Sato seems like a pretty natural path to suspicion. Hell, that same episode, she ended up warming up to Asami after realizing she was awesome. Besides, what about the team going off to raid the equalists? Asami was already suspecting the whole Makorra bit, but does that invalidate all of them together pumping Korra up to go fight?

>>110533

I don't even know what to do with you.

>>110537

>I wouldn't go so far as to claim Korra's accusation of Sato to be about being jealous of Asami. This was after she had faced down Amon and got completely, utterly, humiliated. She was left haunted about it, plus she's naturally impulsive, so overhearing Sato seems like a pretty natural path to suspicion. Hell, that same episode, she ended up warming up to Asami after realizing she was awesome. Besides, what about the team going off to raid the equalists? Asami was already suspecting the whole Makorra bit, but does that invalidate all of them together pumping Korra up to go fight?

I was trying to see if his >>110534 view included jerk moments. So I also tried to see if Mako's view counted since he did bring up Korra being jealous as his perspective. So I said that if we did include "jerk moments" under the umbrella statement of who-wants-to-bang-who then we don't have much to work with that is positive.

I agree with you, Asami goes for the greater good and even says she likes Korra in addition to proving it by tolerating her. She just didn't like Mako not telling her things. If he fessed up maybe she could have talked to Korra about it, and we might of gotten one of 'those' moments. Or we might have helped clear the mess up and be able to move on and avoid unnecessary drama.

So yeah, Korra had a hunch about Hiroshi from the call. But it was Mako who brought up the jealous card. And when we think things are okay, we get a close up of Asami scowling. So there really aren't too many positive moments like the Gaang had even just during their first 12 episodes. Granted the romance was just Aang's crush on Katara played in the far back with him smiling and blushing and not "I really like you and I think we were meant for each other." The romance here hurt the friendship and if there was friendship building it occurred in bits and pieces like working on a school project but not actually hanging out afterwards.

And if season 2 has them doing their own separate things while Mako and Korra have long distance relationship problems then...I don't know. I guess it's ancient neutral spirit shenanigans that will tie everything together.

The...Korps of Korra were never really friends like the Gaang were, though that might come from the people involved being either assholes or completely worthless and fairly superfluous to everything that was going on.

Ay, they both wrote some great episodes. Some faith restored, thought the entire premise and setup of the world by Bryke makes it hard to believe it'll be that great.

I'll of course watch it religiously since I loved ATLA, and proceed to complain about it if it disappoints me like season 1 did.

Ay, they both wrote some great episodes. Some faith restored, thought the entire premise and setup of the world by Bryke makes it hard to believe it'll be that great.

I'll of course watch it religiously since I loved ATLA, and proceed to complain about it if it disappoints me like season 1 did.

>>110276
They're currently writing Books 3 and 4, and there's no news of Aaron having anything to do with them, especially if he's working on other projects right now.

>>113320
Wow, that post is only 9 1/2 months old. Very timely response.

Where did people start coming up with the name for "Honora" by the way?

>>113331
>Honor-a

>>113331
It's all to do with the terribly bad joke that fandom has of fixating on Zuko's quest for honour.

>>113349
It's an awesome joke, thank you very much.

>>113353
Even Azula made a crack on it.

>>113354
At least she had the class to turn it into a child abuse joke, though.

Much better than the constant "HONOR! LOL!" which pervades the fandom.

I recently rewatched Korra with friends and everytime Mako talked it was like "shut the f*** up you piece of s***"... there was a lot of Mako-hate in the air and watching the episodes a second time didn't helped, I'd say it was actually worse.

>>113407

>f***
>s***

wat

>>113407
Poor Mako. I felt that he was a pretty good character up until the romance really kicked in.

>>113407
Oh please don't be an f**cunt.

>>113431

No, no, wait. I'm telling what happened. Lots of Mako-hate and lots of profanity which I am not repeating because bashing a fictional character is not my thing.
But the group watching the series wouldn't refrain from using every expletive in their vocabulary, both targeted to Mako and Korra, but especially Mako.

>>113641
Okay, well. That's not terribly surprising - there's a lot of vitriol centered on him, for various reasons. Your friends' jeers are just a few more on the pile.

>>113321
OP here. I'm glad this was bumped. Since season 2 is almost out maybe we can talk more about the writing in this thread as the show airs.

>>113421
He's probably used to forums/communities with censorship rules, and censoring out swear words is a habit for him.