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108868 No. 108868
old thread >>104204

Didn't notice it went beyond the bump limit :|
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Here's an old screencap I saved a while back in the early Korra going and I stumbled upon it while straightening up my folders.

What a mindfuck this was.
>> No. 108871
Tangentially continued from >>108642: can someone explain the "remember before episode 6 when we thought Korra was a Strong Female Character" joke that's been circulating on tumblr? I can't think of any particular offensive development (by tumblr standards) connected to that specific episode.
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>>108871
They probably wanted her to be more like this and gave up when Episode 6 came around and she was still fully clothed.
>> No. 108873
I recently learned whitewashing is not an issue to SJ acolytes when the whitewashed characters are evil (e.g. the al Ghul family in the Batman movies), because when fighting oppression you must portray every single poc in a positive light.
But then they bitched about how having a brown villain was so problematic the moment Tarrlok attacked Korra and still got pissed when Amon's skin got paler.
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>>108873
but oppression only ever comes from white people or can ultimately be traced to being their fault, so that's not out of character
also all nonwhites are Mary Sues and Stus in real life with no willfully evil individuals whatsoever, so if you ever show one with flaws that's because you secretly hate them all
>> No. 108878
>>108873

For what it's worth, Racebending.com criticized the Nolan movies over the casting choices of Liam Neeson and Tom Hardy.
>> No. 108879
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Even if a character does manage to meet the PC standards of the average user on dumblr they'll just ignore them anyway.

>Female
>Hispanic
>Lesbian
>Intelligent detective
>SJ crowd doesn't give a shit and fawns over gifs of the various white straight men on The Avengers

Maybe she needs to be a handicapped ftm otherkin too?
>> No. 108881
>>108879

That doesn't seem like a proper comparison. Tumblr as a whole was fawning over Avengers, not just the few scattered SJWs or actual activists who liked the movie, and others talked about Black Widow (and to a lesser extent, Maria Hill) being badass, both on a more social context, as well as just being kick ass. Hell, I've seen people point to Jane Foster and Darcy in Thor as part of an argument that Thor can actually count as a feminist movie.
>> No. 108882
Found an awesome post that deconstructs the "bawww where was my Bender Privilege storyline Bryke?!" whine:

http://makorracaps.tumblr.com/post/27948654193/exequalistmako-cviperfan-that-brief-shining
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>>108882
>> No. 108884
>>108882
You do know that they were trying to actually emulate class struggles, right?

They just failed spectacularly.
>> No. 108885
>>108884
Were they? Where did you hear that?
>> No. 108887
>>108884
The point is that the class struggles of Republic City aren't actually tied to bending, which is simply an irrational target of blame held by a couple bitter (and unfortunately charismatic and powerful) characters.
>> No. 108890
>>108885

It's supposedly from the commentary episodes from Mike and Bryan themselves. I haven't seen it, though I doubt people here would outright lie about it.
>> No. 108895
I think this is like the third time I've linked this video.

Korra:Making Of A Legend! Epis…youtube thumb
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>>108884
>>108895

>If they're feeling unrepresented and oppressed
>If they're feeling
>IF THEY'RE FEELING

You know who else feel unrepresented and oppressed? BASICALLY EVERY CROWD OF ANGRY PEOPLE EVER. Feeling tread upon and victimized does not actually make it so.
>> No. 108897
>>108896
Ergo ALL crowds of angry people have nothing of value to say!

Perfect logic!
>> No. 108898
>>108897

No you fucking moron, it means you shouldn't take their feelings of victimization at face value. Meaning >>108884 is a dumb sack of fuck.
>> No. 108899
>>108898
How can you even post when your head is so far up your ass?

Like seriously, this is the most willful refusal to accept the facts that I've seen since I've been on this website.

A) Non-benders are most certainly underrepresented. Although the bending status of the Council is only minimally in question, it's a fact that none of them other than Tenzin were even concerned with Tarrlok's curfew.

B) As incredible as this is is to believe, people do not go out and march and fight for movements just because they "feel" like it. People don't join revolutions just because they're in the mood for it. There is always some problem that needs addressing, even if people don't always go about it the right way.

C) I really love how you interpreted Mike and Bryan's lines entirely around ONE FUCKING WORD TO COMPLETELY DISREGARD IT. Your brain pretty much went "Oh! I am on the verge of being wrong! But wait, Bryan said 'feel', THAT MEANS I DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN ANY MORE! I CAN FORGET THE PART WHERE HE SAID OH THIS IS A SERIOUS MOVEMENT! OR OH THIS IS LIKE A CLASS REVOLUTION!"
>> No. 108900
>>108899
Can you address the points made in >>108882 then? Tell me how, against all that, you can say that benders are the oppressors here?

People don't seem to be looking at what's presented in the show. Yeah there are big problems in Republic City, but "bender privilege" isn't one of them. Signs point to it being a massive poverty issue in reality, not systematic oppression. Amon used benders as a scapegoat to unite people stricken by poverty and gang violence and rise to power. It's not that hard to see! Several real-life dictators have made use of this technique! It works very well. Class revolution occurs because people are suffering, but that doesn't mean they have the correct target. With poverty issues there isn't really a target to push all the blame on and then overthrow, and unfortunately that makes it real easy for particularly charismatic people to manipulate the people in those situations.

They actually didn't drop the real issue because it's evident all the way up to the final episode where Korra and friends take refuge in a big shanty town (an unsegregated area made up of both benders and nonbenders, no less). It wasn't dealt with either, but I wouldn't expect Korra would be able to heal a wide rich-poor gap with waterbending. She was only able to take care of the guy who was twisting the situation to suit his own needs. We might see this thread continued on in the Asami and Mako plot threads in Book Two, because she's in a position to make a real change in the way wealth is distributed and he's in a position to get the gangs under control.
>> No. 108902
For fuck's sake, how is this a debate?
Amon claimed Benders had it sweet, and preyed on the fears of lower-class nonBenders. "You'll be pushed down into the poorhouse by them!"

MEANWHILE, IN THE ACTUAL FUCKING POORHOUSE, BENDERS AND NONBENDERS ARE BOTH BEING FUCKING POOR.

We SAW the shanty town. We SAW the lowest tier of Republic City AND IT HAD BENDERS AND NONBENDERS LIVING TOGETHER, IN HARMONY, SHOULDER TO SHOULDER IN SHARED POORNESS.

Amon's talk was shown to be full of shit, because we saw the actual lowest class, and it was nothing like what he was saying. Yeesh.
>> No. 108903
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>>108899
>As incredible as this is is to believe, people do not go out and march and fight for movements just because they "feel" like it.
>> No. 108904
You know who feels unrepresented and oppressed? White anglosaxon protestants in America. No, seriously, feeling oppressed is not the same as actually being oppressed. We never see any real evidence that they're being oppressed, but Amon is there going "hey you ever notice how all wars are caused by bending? It's true! Benders keep dragging nonbenders into war! Yeah, that last war was all abou bending, not about a powerful political leader deciding to conquer the world..." He's telling them they're victims and that he'll destroy the ones victimizing them, and holy shit don't make me rattle off all the real world historical BASTARDS that pulled that shit. We never see any indication that they're being oppressed, but that doesn't mean someone can't distort the facts and make them feel oppressed.
>> No. 108905
>>108903
That said, while most genuine movements do come about because of genuine problems, there's no guarantee or even any suggestion that the problem and what they're marching against are the same thing. Not to get all Godwin's Law here*, but Weimar Republic Germany had problems--but despite the fact that people were marching, it wasn't the jews.

* - which I hold I"m not--I'm not comparing one side of this argument to the nazis, I'm comparing a charismatic fictional villain rallying a group of people in a bad situation into blaming those problems on a minority of the population who might have genuinely had positions of power and insular subgroups that gave way to nepotism from time to time for all their ills and offering to round them up and eliminate the threat of them to the Final Solution. But the internet doesn't always appreciate the distinction.
>> No. 108906
>>108905
Eh, Nazis didn't just blame the Jews though.

They hit a certain sweet spot in the chaotic society of the time. The Government was insecure and looked more incompetent every day, desperation was growing and many a person was pining after the "good old times" when there was one ruler, who directed the land with military strictness and kept the people save from outside and inside threats. Democracy was failing before their very eyes and there were many loopholes in the Republic which extremists could exploit.

Scapegoating the Jews was actually more of a byproduct and useful, given that antisemitism was deeply rooted within european societies since the Dark Ages. But it wasn't a driving force.
Many historians argue, that Hitler had a very small window of opportunity which he managed to grab. The NSDAP was more popular than ever before, but the numbers were actually already receding when Bismarck put him in charge. But at that juncture it was already too late. There was no civilian uprising to put old Adolph on top. He had tried that already and failed.

Comparing that to the Equalist movement is kinda hokey.
>> No. 108907
>>108906
Hindenburg
>> No. 108909
>>108907
Whoops, yeah sorry, I did mean Hindenburg.

Bismarck would have never put Hitler in charge of cleaning his shoes.
>> No. 108911
>>108906
No, not really, because this show wasn't aiming for a photocopy of real life.

Amon is meant to remind you of Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, all those guys. He went out and said "Life not perfect? You know whose fault that is, right? Benders!" He may as well have said "educated people!" "Jews!" or "Immigants!" ("Immigants! I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them!").

The two rich corporation owners we met were nonbenders, and there were benders in the shantytown, so Amon was full of shit. But he made people feel like they were being oppressed, and then once the ball got rolling and he started intimidating benders he was able to get Tarrlok to actually DO what Amon had been claiming benders do. Up until then though, everyone was suffering and/or profiting about equally.
>> No. 108912
>>108911
I wasn't talking about the show, I was talking to anon.
The Equalists don't make a lick of sense when you think about them too hard. When the only thing you really stand for is: "IT'S ALL THE BENDERS FAULT!" you should never amount to more than say the Westboro Baptist Church does in any civilized society. Especially since benders are present everywhere, in all classes, cultures, professions and most likely families since the dawn of civilization... Not denying that they have been dealt a natural advantage in life, but it's kinda like blaming left-handed people for all your problems in our world.
>> No. 108913
>>108911
I wasn't talking about the show, I was talking to anon.
The Equalists don't make a lick of sense when you think about them too hard. When the only thing you really stand for is: "IT'S ALL THE BENDERS FAULT!" you should never amount to more than say the Westboro Baptist Church does in any civilized society. Especially since benders are present everywhere, in all classes, cultures, professions and most likely families since the dawn of civilization... Not denying that they have been dealt a natural advantage in life, but it's kinda like blaming left-handed people for all your problems in our world.
>> No. 108917
>>108913
>They've been dealt a natural advantage

As much as people with skills/aptitudes.

And part of why it's so easy for Amon to do this is he's not calling for Benders to be murdered. He's throwing in a pseudo-religious "cleansing" free of charge.

"Left handed people are the cause of all your problems! Look at this list of famously bad left handed people! Rise up and kill the Southpaws!"
"Wow. No. That's just crazy."

vs.

"Left handed people are the cause of all your problems! Look at this list of famously bad left handed people! But I will cleanse the Southpaws of their impurity, and we will all live as Righties in harmony!"
"Hmmmm... it'd be kinda doing them a favor, then? And you say this will make all my problems go away?"
>> No. 108920
>>108869
Gay relationship w/ brother two years younger worse than "Straight" relationship with pre-pubecent girl. This says much about the priorities here.

>>108873
Of course when you somehow convince everyone that PoC(tm) are incapable of evil or foolishness how do you fix problems that are caused by evil and/or foolish PoC?

>>108899
>B) As incredible as this is is to believe, people do not go out and march and fight for movements just because they "feel" like it. People don't join revolutions just because they're in the mood for it. There is always some problem that needs addressing, even if people don't always go about it the right way.
So the Jews _were_ oppressing Germans back in the 30s?

Yes, Godwin is In Play.
>>108912
Rationality is not always enough to shut down movements. Consider Truthers and Birthers alike.
>> No. 108923
>>108899
>A) Non-benders are most certainly underrepresented. Although the bending status of the Council is only minimally in question, it's a fact that none of them other than Tenzin were even concerned with Tarrlok's curfew.

They're pussies that got scared and let Tarrlok take over. We saw no indication that they had put in place discriminatory policies before that, as Amon had been claiming.

>B) As incredible as this is is to believe, people do not go out and march and fight for movements just because they "feel" like it.

No, but they can be deceived into blaming scapegoats with ease. There ARE people in the city that are having to deal with crime, poverty, and everyday uncertainty. Amon came along and said "the reason for all that is Benders, and I can wipe away their bendiness!" He offered people an easy fix.

>C) I really love how you interpreted Mike and Bryan's lines entirely around ONE FUCKING WORD TO COMPLETELY DISREGARD IT.

Well... it's an important word? They feel marginalized by Benders, yes. But what we don't see is any evidence that they were actually being marginalized when Amon came along. He was charismatic and persuasive, he convinced people that their woes were all due to Benders. It's not true, there were plenty of rich non-Benders and plenty of homeless Benders, but he got people saying "by the spirits, he's right! That's why business hasn't been doing well lately! Benders!"

For it to be a class revolution, Benders would have to be the upper class, and nonbenders the lowest class. There were nonbenders among the cities elite, and there were Benders living in abject poverty in the sewers. It doesn't wash.
>> No. 108924
>>108920
So you're saying the whole Nazi Germany thing happened just because?
Yes, people had essentially carefree lifes and loads of free time and just thought: "Yep, I sure don't like those Jews. Maybe someone should do something about them? That Hitler seems like a reasonable fellow..."

I really hope I'm reading you wrong here. In any case:

Please read this >>108906 or watch a documentary or something.
>> No. 108925
>>108923
er, "city's elite". Three hours sleep is not enough.
>> No. 108926
>>108924
>So you're saying the whole Nazi Germany thing happened just because?

No, we are saying that the Jews*cough* Benders were not behind some massive conspiracy that required their them to be put down before Things Got Better.
>> No. 108928
>>108926
Right. The Germans were suffering serious economic hardship, and someone with a lot of passion and charisma came and told them that all their problems were the fault of people who were different enough from them that they could convince themselves it was true. It was the easy answer, and convincing mobs to go with the easy answer is way easier than convincing them to believe something like "There are a lot of causes behind the plight you're going through, including but not limited to a huge international recession, continuing fallout from the restitutions we're making from the previous war, and a downward spiral of worker morale reducing our overall productivity, but if we can start believing in ourselves again, start producing and taking risks in terms of starting businesses, and spend money rather than save it even though that puts the individuals among us in worse situations economically, we might be able to pull through it."

No one wants to hear "making things better is going to take a lot of hard work, and you're going to hate it, but you'll be better people for it." It's so much easier to tell them "You guys are perfect just the way you are--everything is (SUBCULTURE X)'s fault, and everything will be idyllic once we take them out of power / run them out of the country / exterminate them."
>> No. 108932
>>108926
Then word it better. Christ in a handbag.

>>108928
While this is all true, you can't reduce the Nazi ideology to just antisemitism and social darwinism. They loved that but their rhetoric was far wider spread. It's not that simple. They claimed to have all the answers and those didn't begin and end with the deportation & killing of Jews. And that's what bugs me about the Equalist comparison.
Because the Equalists were that damn simple in the show.
It doesn't sit well with me. It's an example of fantastic-racism, is all. Might as well compare the Sith or Cobra or the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants to the Nazis. Because they too have points in common with them.
There's just not enough to the Equalist Ideology (at least that we saw) to even merit having this analysis.
>> No. 108933
The important thing to take away from this is that The Equalists got a huge number of people who claim to be in favor of fair treatment for everyone to agitate for the systematic annihilation of an entire subgroup of humanity based on their genetic inheritance.
>> No. 108936
>>108932
>While this is all true, you can't reduce the Nazi ideology to just antisemitism and social darwinism.

1. Sure you can. Not necessarily a good idea, but you can.
2. It's not just Nazis. Amon isn't Hitler. It's that his scapegoating is reminiscent of MANY real world examples of bastards going "you know who's the source of your problems? People that are different from you!"

Okay, so it's not exactly 1:1 with Hitler's Germany. It's not intended to be. The way Amon tried to turn people against Benders is meant to be a bit reminiscent of how Hitler blamed the Jews for everything. And how Mao blamed "the Liberal bourgeoisie." And how Pol Pot blamed damn near everyone. Amon isn't meant to be completely analogous to any one of these guys, they just wanted a variation on "powerful maniac inspires people to seek easy answers through scapegoating". The complex political and socio-economic climate of Germany immediately prior to Hitler's rise to power isn't really important.
>> No. 108938
the equalist/nazi comparison is actually a pretty good one since benders are a priviliged race who occupy most positions of power and started a world war. just like jews. but that doesn't go both ways, since not all benders are powerful/priviliged, and that's why nazism and equalism are both wrong. nazism is obviously more complex since it's a fleshed out ideology and comes with a theory of government, but on that simple level, you can compare them.
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>>108938
>> No. 108947
>>108938
Okay, this discussion is dead.
>> No. 108994
>>108938
>>a priviliged race who occupy most positions of power and started a world war.

except Jews weren't and have never been such thing anywhere... not even today in the US where right-wing christians have such a servility towards sionism yet they still hate the Jews.
>> No. 108997
>>108994
Zionism, and it stems partly from the belief (unique to American Christians) that "the Jews must be in the holy land for the Rapture to happen." It's a bizarro semi-racist reason for supporting Israel.

sage for >>108938
>> No. 109001
>>109000
jesus fucking christ

i know we kind of brought this on ourselves by drawing comparisons to germany, but i never asked for this. i never wanted this. please stop everyone
>> No. 109006
>Why so many Jewish bankers?

Because for a ridiculous length of time, Christians banned themselves from moneylending, and frequently refused to give Jewish people jobs (they couldn't own land, couldn't be farmers, were blocked from most trades), meaning they were forced into that (as it turns out, sometimes profitable) job career. And shit just kept on happening like that. Fast forward to America, and Jewish people were blocked from climbing corporate ladders, faced serious problems running for office, and weren't welcome at most investment firms. Even now most banks are clearly not Jewish, but there are a couple (like Goldman Sachs) that have historically had a high percentage of Jewish people running it. Why? Not exactly a tough question: the company was founded by Jewish bankers that were excluded from other firms. The company ended up with a high percentage of one ethnic group that couldn't get work elsewhere. We've been passing on this shit since the damn middle ages.

>Why so many jews in media

Same principle. The media has long had a bad reputation as being "unChristian," and Jewish people faced substantial prejudice if they tried to get "good Christian jobs". It's one of the more idiotic things in the rainbow of bigotry - forcing groups of people into certain jobs by excluding them from others, then going "they're going for those jobs on purpose! Because that's what 'their kind' is good at! Hurr durr!"

>That's the equalist question in a nutshell.

No, it's really not. Because the equalist situation is nothing like the nuanced reality of any real world group's discrimination. It's an incredibly simplified form of scapegoating suitable for a cartoon, and the forces driving it are unique to a fictional world. Benders are not an ethnic group. Benders can have nonbender kids, nonbenders can have Bender kids, and in those situations where only Benders are employed to do something, the reasoning tends to be along the lines of "well hell, find me a nonbender that can throw lightning and I'll gladly give him a job at my power plant". It does tap into our shared memory of real like movements against certain groups of people, but once you start digging it quickly becomes clear the similarities are only skin deep.
>> No. 109016
>>109006
>Because for a ridiculous length of time, Christians banned themselves from moneylending, and frequently refused to give Jewish people jobs (they couldn't own land, couldn't be farmers, were blocked from most trades), meaning they were forced into that (as it turns out, sometimes profitable) job career. And shit just kept on happening like that. Fast forward to America, and Jewish people were blocked from climbing corporate ladders, faced serious problems running for office, and weren't welcome at most investment firms. Even now most banks are clearly not Jewish, but there are a couple (like Goldman Sachs) that have historically had a high percentage of Jewish people running it. Why? Not exactly a tough question: the company was founded by Jewish bankers that were excluded from other firms. The company ended up with a high percentage of one ethnic group that couldn't get work elsewhere. We've been passing on this shit since the damn middle ages.
>Same principle. The media has long had a bad reputation as being "unChristian," and Jewish people faced substantial prejudice if they tried to get "good Christian jobs". It's one of the more idiotic things in the rainbow of bigotry - forcing groups of people into certain jobs by excluding them from others, then going "they're going for those jobs on purpose! Because that's what 'their kind' is good at! Hurr durr!"
Yeah, that's what I was saying. Minus the generic anti-Christian stuff, you pretty much made my point. Why do people try to prove others wrong by proving them right?
>> No. 109017
>>109000
>>You can't deny that there a lot of jews on wall street and in media, though. The same was true in post-WWI Germany

And this analogy somehow is supposed to make sense because there was a wall street and rampant media in the war-ruined post-WWI Germany of course.

By the way 2 out of 3 Stooges were Jewish and that is simply awesome.
>> No. 109018
>>109017
Also, half of KISS!

Anyway, can we please find something else to bitch about now?
Please?
>> No. 109020
>>109018
I'm with you, I'm just expecting Antisemitic!Anon to stop drinking the Stormfront Kool-aid and comparing benders with Jewish people and equalists with nazis.
>> No. 109023
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>>109016
>Yeah, that's what I was saying.

1. No, you said "Jews caused a world war".
2. No, he said that an ethnic group had been forced into certain careers by having their progress in other fields blocked. That's absolutely nothing like what's going on in the Avatar world. There's a handful of jobs that nonbenders can't get, like "generating lightning to power the city," not because of discrimination but simply because they simply don't have that superpower. Meanwhile there's no jobs that Benders can't get. They can even join the Equalists! Isn't that right, Amon... or should I call you Noatak?

But again, it's not an ethnic group. Every single person at every single Equalist rally had to have at least one relative that was a bender.

>generic anti-Christian stuff
Wait... are you pretending that Christians didn't ban themselves from lending money, and didn't ban Jews from owning land/being farmers?

http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/religion/jews/middleages.htm
>> No. 109051
>>109017
>There were no jewish bankers in Germany

>>109020
How am I a stormfag if I said that blaming a large group of people for the actions of a few is wrong? I'm just saying that history is more complex than saying jews/benders never did anything wrong as a group. It takes no courage to be anti-racist if you believe minorities are special snowflakes who have never done bad things on medium-to-large scales.

>>109023
>1. No, you said "Jews caused a world war".
They've definitely been involved in funding and taking sides in global conflicts, yeah.

>2. No, he said that an ethnic group had been forced into certain careers by having their progress in other fields blocked. That's absolutely nothing like what's going on in the Avatar world. There's a handful of jobs that nonbenders can't get, like "generating lightning to power the city," not because of discrimination but simply because they simply don't have that superpower. Meanwhile there's no jobs that Benders can't get. They can even join the Equalists! Isn't that right, Amon... or should I call you Noatak?
Jews aren't blocked from any careers outside of Nazi Germany where their privilige quickly turned into active persecution. I think that makes a good comparison to LoK, since the benders as a class had just about any path open to them until Amon seized power.

>Wait... are you pretending that Christians didn't ban themselves from lending money, and didn't ban Jews from owning land/being farmers?
Of course not, I was just objecting to your "Christians are responsible for all bad things" sort of tone. I half-expected you to starting typing a passive-aggressive rant about Mitt Romney and Fox News by the way you sounded.

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>>109051

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>> No. 109057
>>109000
>You can't deny that there a lot of jews on wall street and in media, though. The same was true in post-WWI Germany, which is why they were such an easy target to turn their aggression to. Or let me word it a different way, if the banks were mostly controlled by jews, would hating jews be okay? That's the equalist question in a nutshell.

In a word: NO. The whole 'some of X does something, all of X must be punished' is a line of reasoning that leads to disaster on all levels.
>> No. 109061
>>109057

The guy's banned for the next three days, we can leave is nonsense be for now.
>> No. 109149
Thank you Admin.
>> No. 109188
Not really stuff that makes you angry but seriously, how are most of these innuendos?
http://avatar-parallels.tumblr.com/post/28326382441/fire-lady-its-not-just-a-childrens-show

#1 ok
#2 wat
#3 doesn't really imply sex
#4 ok, maybe
#5 there's a slight chance this was done on purpose
#6 nope
#7 not sexual and not an innuendo
#8 just potty humor
#9 ...
>> No. 109190
>>109057

As a member of the Hebrew race... Looking at his words, I think that's the point. Remember:

>but that doesn't go both ways, since not all benders [and by analogy Jews] are powerful/priviliged, and that's why nazism and equalism are both wrong.

The fact that some of the people who provided resources to fuel world wars happened to be of a certain ethnicity doesn't mean that said ethnicity is to be held entirely responsible. But that's what people thought, and that's all that matters in the long run. (Whether they were persuaded to believe it or already believed it is irrelevant.) No one is trying to justify them - it's simply an explanation for why an ideology was popular.

I hate to divide a point across threads, but I'll say it again: Perceptions hold greater power over reality.
>> No. 109364
>>109190
Thanks, I'm the bannedguy and that was exactly my point. Being anti-racist doesn't take any courage if you're just going to whitewash anything bad that race has done anyway. I'll stop with the real-world comparisons, but if you accept that benders have held a disproportionate amount of power and caused a lot of destruction in the world, that doesn't mean that the average bender should be held responsible for that. The majority of benders are still innocent peasant peoples with dead parents killed by firebenders. I don't think what I said was really shitposting, but whatever.
>> No. 109415
>>109364
It's not about whitewashing the bad things that other races have done, it's that you were empirically wrong about what bad things that a certain race had done (not that a race is an entity that can do things anyway, it's individuals who make decisions and act upon them).
>> No. 109558
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109558
Studio MIR posted this cute pic oh Meelo and Korra to their facebook. Keeping with their Olympics theme. Meelo could totally take Korra, right?!

Despite all the awesome pics they published on their facebook page (ahem, the Korra/Asami moped pic the fandom devoured like mana from heaven) and the entirety of the animation of Book 1/the upcoming books, suddenly Studio MIR are the whitewashers. In South Korea.

http://feverishlycool.tumblr.com/post/29179350210/korrawr-masterarrowhead-slavocracy-fffff

>This needs to be submitted to damnlayoffthebleach

andthentheresthisASSHOLE.jpg

That'll sure teach 'em! Submit their fanart to a passive-aggressive tumblr that doesn't accomplish anything! Fuck you Studio MIR!

The entire show staff should consider detaching themselves from social media.
>> No. 109559
>>109558
To be fair that is pretty blatant whitewashing, but nobody at MIR would give two fucks if damnlayoffthebleach posted about it.
>> No. 109560
>>109558
I'm just so tired of these people.
>> No. 109561
>>109560
But do they ever get tired of themselves?
>> No. 109765
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109765
So, uh. If this thread is still active, there's something I'd like to discuss.

Aang is dead. We get that, right? He's toast. No longer existing except in spirit. So, doesn't his bending-restoration on Korra's sorry brown butt violate the rules of the spirit world or something?

I mean, the dead Avatars are supposed to be a source of inspiration and knowledge for the newest Avatar. But they're only disembodied spirits, right? How the hell does it make any sense that the extinct shade of a person should still be able to act on the world at all? Doesn't that violate the natural order in any way?

I dunno, something that made me frustrated I guess
>> No. 109766
>>109765
We don't really know a lot about the spirits and how they can interact with the physical worl, and in the last series we saw two dead Avatars manifest themselves into the physical realm (Roku and Kyoshi). Granted, they were using Aang's body to do, so I dunno'.

And just for future reference this the thread for talking about aspects of the fandom that make you angry, not the canon.
>> No. 109767
>>109765

Physical manifestation of the spirits of previous Avatars through the current one never stopped being a thing.
>> No. 109829
http://innerpalindrome.tumblr.com/post/30125894587/lets-talk-about-portrayals-of-women-and-femininity-in
>> No. 109830
>>109829
You know what the crazy thing is? All of the sane, reasonable tumblrs I've found related to Korra have been Makorra blogs, or have been run by Makorra shippers.

Crazy how that shit turns out.
>> No. 109832
>>109830
Please take your dumbass passive-aggressive posts somewhere else.
>> No. 109833
>>109832
What? If there was a dig in there then it must have flown over my head. And now that Asami-bashing has by and large disappeared the Makorra shippers do come off as reasonable.
>> No. 109834
>>109832
I was not trying to come off as passive-aggressive, so sorry if I did? I guess I should have said the people who usually write these huge essays on how Korra is actually the worst thing to happen to women are typically anti-Makorra or anti-Mako, and they aren't even reasonable about their dislike. And I was being sincere about the Makorra fans actually seeming to be pretty reasonable as a whole. Obviously there are still a few who are basically Zutarans in disguise, but no one group of people is perfect.
>> No. 109835
> people who usually write these huge essays on how Korra is actually the worst thing to happen to women are typically anti-Makorra or anti-Mako
Ur Example: Riley.
>> No. 109836
>>109829

>Korra needed to be saved by a man (Aang)
>completely ignoring everything about the Avatar Spirit and the Avatar Cycle
>Yang Chen saved Aang and the Avatar Spirit after Azula zer-zapped his ass
>conveniently forgetting Korra saved Mako from Amon

why.jpg
>> No. 109839
>>109836
I thought with ALL of the Avatars showing up in that last scene implied they were all helping Korra out, Aang just spoke to her because he was the Avatar preceding her.
>> No. 109842
>>109767
That's not what happened in LoK 1's finale.
>> No. 109845
>>109829
> we’re expected to read Korra as a strong, independent woman, but in the last episode she’s more of a damsel in distress who has her happy ending given to her by a man without having to work for it herself.

Am I to assume that it would have been All Better if the whole Avatar thing at the end skipped a couple of iterations for the spokesperson?
>> No. 109846
>>109845
Clearly Aang should have used interpretive dance.

>>109842
To be fair we don't know the finer details of how spirits can manifest themselves, or whatever. For all we know, Korra was the only one who could see them... and you know the Avatar spirit is probably one of the most powerful spirits in the physical and spirit world, it can do what it wants.
>> No. 109847
>>109830
You're actually right.
http://makorracaps.tumblr.com/post/27145171981/people-who-say-asami-was-shoved-to-the-back-in-season-1
(good post except fot the ~problematic part but hey, it's always tumblr)

And frankly the Asami worship is way more prominent and over the top than the hate (which I haven't seen since episode 4, btw).
>> No. 109849
>>109846
If they could fix Korra's problem, why didn't they fix Aang's inability to access the Avatar state after he was hit by Azula's lighting?
It couldn't be such a big deal if some random rock could fix it.
>> No. 109850
That's like trying to use an electric solder plugged to the cable you're attempting to fix.
>> No. 109851
>>109834
>>109833
>>109832
>>109830
I think you're right, and the reason the makorra guys come off as reasonable is because they're hated by the rest of the fandom. I think being ostracized like that generally produces more sensible fans than a hugbox will, even when the thing they're a fan of is shit.
>> No. 109852
>>109849
Wasn't Aang's block a result of physical problems, not spiritual? But either way I'd take 'your past lives show up to help you' over 'a rock can fix your problems'.
>> No. 109854
>>109847
>and her relationship with her love interest will always receive the most importance, just like Aang and Katara got more focus than any other relationship on the show
Actually, I didn't get the impression that Aang and Katara's relationship was the most important one on the show. For example, Aang and Zuko's relationship was obviously more important than any of the romances. The author mentions unlocking the chakras during The Guru, but that process was so convoluted and it's never mentioned again, so I don't think it's fair to use that as evidence that Aang's relationship with Katara was more important than his other relationships. I liked ATLA because for most of the show, the focus was on the main cast's friendships and not their romantic troubles.
>> No. 109856
>>109852
IMO Amon's bending severing was mostly a physical process, and not too different from what Azula had done.
>> No. 109857
>>109856

>>109856

True, but Amon messed with Korra's bending, while Azula messed up Aang's connection with his previous lives.
>> No. 109859
>>109854
For a series that was 12 episodes long I think the main couple got the expected amount. It's not like we got a 'Cave of Two Lovers' sequel or anything.

I think because a majority of the active fandom dislikes Makorra they like to blow things out of proportion. Like, some people said episde 8 was a shipping episode because Mako and Korra looked at each other right before he was arrested. It's like, guys, love interests look at each other, it's fine.
>> No. 109860
>>109859
Makorra is bad because of what it did to Mako's character.
Also, Asami's suffering.
>> No. 109861
>>109860
Asami's suffering I think is actually vital to her character arc: her morals are above her relationships (even familial ones).
>> No. 109862
>>109861
I am willing to accept it if Mako and Korra are the ones who suffer more in the next season than other etablished characters.
>> No. 109864
>>109860
>Makorra is bad because of what it did to Mako's character.

But it didn't do anything to his character? Mako didn't tell Asami about the kiss because he didn't want to hurt her, not because he thought he was a pimp or anything.

>>109862
I don't get why people want them to suffer. Is it because they think it's the only way a character can develop or because they think it'll be some kind of payback for breaking poor Asami's heart? In the long run, the thing that's going to be more devastating to Asami is the loss her father and how him allying with the Equalists is going to damage the company, not the loss of her boyfriend who she knew for a few months tops. If Korra or Mako get hurt, Asami isn't going to say, "HAHA THAT'S WHAT YOU GET!", and it's really stupid that seems to be the attitude the fandom is taking.
>> No. 109865
>>109864
It's because Mako and Korra acted like jerks and they didn't get any sort of comeuppance.

Meanwhile, Asami gets taken down all the pegs helped in part by Mako and Korra. For a sympathetic viewer, it's hard not to want some more equality.
>> No. 109866
>>109865
>Meanwhile, Asami gets taken down all the pegs helped in part by Mako and Korra.
Hey, even Asami agreed that she needed to find out the truth about her father eventually.

Though, I actually do agree on wanting to see Mako having to go through a little hell, as it would finally bring the character focus to him, in a change from how in the first season he's just been kinda of an observer to other people's misery.
>> No. 109867
>>109864
>But it didn't do anything to his character?
That's part of the problem.
>> No. 109868
Asami just got pooped on repeatedly and never deserved any of it. imo it's not so much that Kora and Mako were jerks, just that the stuff with her dad was bad enough and she didn't need to get her heart broken on top of it, and nothing looked up for her by the end of season 1.

Makorra would have been totally fine if he hadn't been dating Asami or even if Asami had like, one good thing happen to her in the course of the story that made up even slightly for all the bad shit that happened to her that was totally beyond her control.
>> No. 109870
>>109865
>It's because Mako and Korra acted like jerks and they didn't get any sort of comeuppance.

I don't think they acted bad enough to warrant the kind of punishment fandom wants for them. Someone getting killed, or losing their bending -- because they were dumb teenagers and couldn't control themselves for a few split seconds? It's not like Mako was fooling around with Korra continuously behind Asami's back. He tried his best to move forward but he couldn't really hide the fact his feelings for Korra were stronger, and that doesn't make him an awful person.

>Meanwhile, Asami gets taken down all the pegs helped in part by Mako and Korra.

This didn't happen at all. Korra didn't accuse Hiroshi out of jealousy, she did it because she had reason to believe he was an Equalist and she was doing her job as the Avatar. She didn't look gleeful over the fact that she was making Asami question her only living relative, and she got pretty upset when Mako accused her of being jealous. And like I said, twenty years down the line if someone were to ask Asami which of the two was the worst thing to happen to her, losing her dad or her boyfriend of a few months, she'd look at whoever asked the question like they were an idiot.

>>109866
>Though, I actually do agree on wanting to see Mako having to go through a little hell, as it would finally bring the character focus to him, in a change from how in the first season he's just been kinda of an observer to other people's misery.

Like, seeing his parents be murdered in front of his face and then being thrown out onto the streets with his little brother where the only way they could survive was by working for the Triads? I think Mako has suffered enough, and I'm sure he'll face his problems in the second season, but people talk about how he's selfish and a jerk when he basically gave up his childhood to raise Bolin. I hope we get flashbacks instead, because god knows the brothers need some focus.
>> No. 109871
>>109870
I swear to god, so many people who watched this show have some impressive cases of selective memory.
When everyone's escaping in the airship, Korra is obviously feeling awful about what just happened to Asami. Not only that, but she flat out tells Mako to go be with Asami because she's the one who needs him more right now. Korra was also thoughtful enough to invite Asami to live on Air Temple Island just like she had with the Bros.
How do people forget these things?
>> No. 109872
>>109871
Apparently Korra was supposed to throw herself at Asami's feet and beg for forgiveness.

Don't get me wrong, I do think Korra should have apologized but I would've been okay with, "I was being selfish and judgmental and now I really regret hurting you."
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