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49701 No. 49701
People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa (but so did pornography and the gay rights movement).

Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future Western world, for events in America reveal trends chillingly similar to those that destroyed our country.

America's structures are Western. Your Congress, your lobbying groups, your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved or ignore politics are peculiarly Western, not the way most of the world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to losing your Western character.

Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences, writing your Congressman - that is what you know, and what you are comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political accountability.

But woe to you if - or more likely, when - the rules change. White Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power from the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.

That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was there and I saw it happen.

Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela's African National Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to achieve "peace."

Westerners need peace. They need order and stability. They are builders and planners. But what we got was the peace of the grave for our society.

The Third World is different - different peoples with different pasts and different cultures. Yet Westerners continue to mistake the psychology of the Third World and its peoples. Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe are perfect examples of those mistakes. Sierra Leone is in perpetual civil war, and Zimbabwe - once the thriving, stable Rhodesia - is looting the very people (the white men) who feed the country. Yet Westerners do not admit that the same kind of savagery could come to America when enough immigrants of the right type assert themselves. The fact is, Americans are sitting ducks for Third World exploitation of the Western conscience of compassion.

Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western politicians now have a similar problem looming on their own doorsteps: the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside the realm.

It is already too late for South Africa, but not for America if enough people strengthen their spine and take on the race terrorists, the armies of the "politically correct" and, most dangerous of all, the craven politicians who believe "compassionate conservatism" will buy them a few more votes, a few more days of peace.

White South Africans, you should remember, have been in that part of Africa for the same amount of time whites have inhabited North America; yet ultimately South Africans voted for their own suicide. We are not so very different from you.

We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad (not least from the U.S.A.), unrelenting charges of "oppression" and "racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your neighbor" philosophy - none of which are part of the Third World's history.

The mainline churches played a big role in the demise of Western influence throughout Africa, too; especially in South Africa. Today's tyrants were yesterday's mission-school proteges. Many dictators in Africa were men of the cloth. They knew their clerical collars would deflect criticism and obfuscate their real aims, which had nothing whatever to do with the "brotherhood of man."

Other tyrants, like the infamous Idi Amin, were trained and schooled by the whites themselves, at Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard. After receiving the best from the West, they unleashed a resentful bloodlust against their benefactors.

From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a soft lot. They don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise and be nice.

A television program that aired in South Africa showed a town meeting somewhere in Southern California where people met to complain about falling standards in the schools. Whites who politely spoke at the meeting clearly resented the influx of Mexican immigrants into their community. When a handful of Chicanos at the back of the hall shouted and waved their hands at them, the whites simply shrunk back into their seats rather than tell the noisemakers to shut up. They didn't want to quarrel.

In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws. But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by court rulings - as in Zimbabwe. What will happen when the new majority says the judges are racists, and that they refuse to acknowledge "white man's justice"? What will happen when the courts are filled with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition 187 has already been overturned.

What will you do when the future non-white majority decides to change the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white "racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official language?

Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first targets were our national symbols.

In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now experiencing - invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the banishment of your history from the education of the young; the revolutionization of your justice system.

In South Africa today, only 9 percent of murderers end up in jail. Court dockets are regularly purchased and simply disappear. Magistrates can be bribed as can the prison authorities, making escapes commonplace. Vehicle and airplane licenses are regularly purchased, and forged school and university certificates are routine.

What would you think of the ritual slaughter of animals in your neighbor's backyard? How do you clean up the blood and entrails that litter your suburban streets? How do you feel about the practice of witchcraft, in which the parts of young girls and boys are needed for "medicinal" purposes? How do you react to the burning of witches?

Don't laugh. All that is quite common in South Africa today.

Don't imagine that government officials caught with their fingers in the till will be punished. Excuses - like the need to overcome generations of white racism - will be found to exonerate the guilty.

In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites. When Ian Smith of the old Rhodesia tried to stand up to the world, white South African politicians were among the Westerners pressuring him to surrender.

When Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe murders his political opponents, ignores unfavorable court decisions, terrorizes the population and siphons off millions from the state treasury for himself and his friends, South Africa's new President Thabo Mbeki holds his hand and declares his support. That just happened a few weeks ago.

Your tax dollars will go to those who don't earn and don't pay. In South Africa, organizations that used to have access to state funds such as old age homes, the arts, and veterans' services, are simply abandoned.

What will happen is that Western structures in America will be either destroyed from without, or transformed from within, used to suit the goals of the new rulers. And they will reign either through terror, as in Zimbabwe today, or exert other corrupt pressures to obtain, or buy votes. Once power is in the hands of aliens, don't expect loyalty or devotion to principle from those whose jobs are at stake. One of the most surprising and tragic components of the disaster in South Africa is how many previously anti-ANC whites simply moved to the other side.

Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no getting it back again.

Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you. You cannot fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen. You cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meetings. You cannot appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises you for your weaknesses and hacks off the arms and legs of his political opponents.

To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to people from alien cultures. Above all, don't put yourselves to the test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall. You will probably fail.

Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake: They care not for the high-minded ideals of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, and your Constitution. What they want are your posessions, your power, and your status.

And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and your Christian charity, and your good will.

They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your weaknesses well.
They know what to do. Do you?

http://www.davidbenariel.org/africa/warning-america-south-africa.htm

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No. 49715
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49715
This is chilling. Particularly when you consider that pretty much all White, Western nations are being invaded by the same waves of brown and black third world immigrant scum.

No. 49730
i think i should get proficient with a rifle and shotgun. When this revolution comes i'll want to tag a lot of these scum.

No. 49760
>>49730
We already see this today with those scummy mexicans. It never ceases to piss me off whenever anyone who is anti-illegal is labeled a racist or anti-immigrant. All they do is leech and cause trouble, and at many places on the border states the cops are either too corrupt to intervene, too lazy, or are hispanics themselves, and feel some perverse comraderie with these lawless barbarians.

No. 49762
Frankly, he presents a very decent argument. You'd have to be a fool to ignore what's happened in only the last few decades, and a bigger fool to ignore the history forged by our long dead ancestors.

No. 49764
>>49762
It's a shame, because the American way is to welcome anyone who wants to be here and take part in the American dream, but the ones that are coming now don't want that. Instead, they think just because they don't have it, they are entitled to it, and that if a white man has it, it's okay to just take it.

But to reject anyone who wants to come to America is just so... un-American. It's painful to have to do it, but when the people who are coming hate my country and everything it stands for: achievement by industry, self reliance, and reward for work well done, then there is no other option but to bar their entrance, and remove them if they don't want to follow the law.

No. 49765
Epic thread is epic
http://img.4chan.org/r9k/res/1730683.html

No. 49766
>>49765
No.

No. 49856
Problems get bigger whereever there's niggers

No. 50193
NIGGERS

No. 50195
>>50193
shit, beat me to it

No. 50254
This article is 100% spot on. Notice how most blacks vote for Obama just because he's black. They don't care about his policies, they don't watch the debates, they just vote him because he is black... how racist is that?

Just like the article says:
>In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites.

No. 50279
>>50254
Alot of whites plan on voting for Mcain cause... well hes white.

No. 50282
>>50279
90% of blacks =/= "a lot of whites"

No. 50285
>>50282
I dunno, when you consider the ratio of black people to white in the U.S. it probably will, though of course 90% of a group is still high.

No. 50286
>>50279
White voters voting for McCain doesn't mean they're voting for him because he's white.

90% of a group of people voting for Obama shows that SOMETHING is up. And you need to talk to like 5 blacks to find out what.

No. 50287
>>50286
Have you ever considered the possibility of maybe, just maybe, Black people not voting for Obama cause he’s black, but because they really dislike McCain and republicans? They've voted largely democrat in the past, why would it change now for the Maverick?

No. 50288
>>50287
Because of the 5 people I've asked, 4 of them said because they wanted a black president.

No. 50289
>>50288
Maybe they were fucking with you? Then again I’ve heard women say they'll vote Republican in the off chance Pailin becomes president due to McCain’s premature death. Guess this means we should start fearing the rise of a fem-nazi state too.

No. 50292
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Listen it for yourself.
Obama supporters vote him just because he's black.

No. 50293
>>50292
"For mcains policies" wich ones, the ones he had on tuesday or wednesday?

Okay that aside, yeah people are idiots which is why I said their are white people who are voiting for Mcain just cause hes white. People voting baesd on race, yeah retarded, but its happening on both sides and suprisingly its not going to result in the downfall of America into South Africa 2.0

Seriously its like some kind of tin-hat conspiracy but because it replaced Jew with Black it makes perfect sense some how to people

No. 50295
>>50293
Whites in south africa voted too. They voted for the blacks. Guess what has happened now? Highest crime rates in the world.

No. 50296
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

No. 50297
>>50295
Nothing I say is going to change your mind is it? The posiblity of any factor aside from race being behind that wont enter your mind will it.

No. 50299
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50299

No. 50937
Im black and I say that those south African niggers need to be shot. And so do all illegals.

No. 50954
>>50937
You're that black guy from that torch n' pitchfork McCain rally?

No. 51025
>>49701
Whats this? A warning from South Africa?
Let's file this under "crap we'll never care about"

>>90% of a group of people voting for Obama shows that SOMETHING is up.
Actually, that's pretty much exactly what most democrats get.

No. 51029
>>51025
True. But I notice that some Democrats are always going on about the Republicans being a "white racist party", which is ironic given that like 90% of blacks are voting for their Sun God while a lot of whites are voting for Obama.

No. 51089
>>51025
>Let's file this under "things that are essential, but noone will give a fuck till it's wait too late and they'll be saying I TOLD YOU SO"

No. 51120
>>51089
Sadly, they already are. The comment sections in the online Afrikaans language media following the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks showed a lot of bitterness, for obvious reasons.

No. 51124
>>51029
It's not really ironic; very, very few black people have any incentive to vote Republican, because very, very few of them are rich.

No. 51130
>>50293
>its not going to result in the downfall of America into South Africa 2.0
You're right that it won't. America's different ethnic and racial groups are more similar to one another than SA blacks and whites are to one another (for one thing, and this is often overlooked: both "black" Americans and Latinos are both part white! Although they are not the same as white people, there is a common culture to an extent, and this will prevent the kind of alienation between groups that existed in SA and exists in other places where two races which are completely different come into close contact with one another. Rather than South Africa 2.0, it will be more like Venezuela 2.0. No race-war like the Stormfags would like, more like a continuous low-grade tension and class "warfare".

No. 51168
ITT White reactionary circle jerk.

also NNNP Blogs aren't news faggot

90% of blacks aren't voting for obama, 90% of blacks won't even vote, also, if the situation were reversed and the first white president was about to win you racists would support him just based on race... so your hypocrites as well...

this thread is a monument of fail and shitty racial tirade... get a life and some fucking perspective... being white isn't anything significant, all races/creeds/nations/cultures/etc. eventually fall, thats just how it is... sorry guys

No. 51170
>>51130
yep. "black" americans are not considered "black" at all when they come to sa, it's really a disorientating experience for them when they realize that a) they're not all black, and b) that they culturally have more in common with whites than with full-blooded bantu africans.

No. 51179
>>51168
>your [sic] hypocrites as well
I'm not. I believe that whites should be the leaders of white men and blacks the leaders of black men.

No. 51182
>>51168
> all races/creeds/nations/cultures/etc. eventually fall, thats just how it is... sorry guys
They fall because their people no longer defend their civilization. People like you.

No. 51193
>>51182
No they fall because all things fall. You really think "whites" as we know "whites" (what ever the fuck that is) will be around in 1000 years? Maybe. 10,000 years? Not a chance. Your shitty sense of "white" culture (that never truly existed in the first place) is dying. Get over it you scared sad reactionary.

>>51179
wonderful, except that won't happen, the cat is out the bag, the races have mixed, your time is over, move along

No. 51197
>>51193
>they fall because all things fall
There is always an explanation or cause behind it.

No. 51198
>>51193
>"white" culture (that never truly existed in the first place)
So would you argue that there is no such thing as African culture, or the closely related black culture in the Caribbean? If you would admit that there is a such thing as black culture, then surely there is also white culture?

No. 51200
>>51193
>No they fall because all things fall.
wonderful circular reasoning.

No. 51202
>>51198
No, there isn't. "Black" people speak dozens of different languages, practice different religions, share different histories and political structures, different art forms and different societal structures, and for a very long period of their histories, had little or no interaction with each other.

No. 51204
>>51193
>No they fall because all things fall
lulz
No, they fall because they enter in decadence. And most of the time, decadence starts with a war, a natural cataclysm, incompetent leadership, moral decay, and mass immigration/invasion of lesser cultures that don't appreciate the most refined aspects of their hosts. It's usually any of these things or a combination of them.

Go look up the history of:
Ancient Egypt
Minoans (Crete)
Ancient Greeks
The Romans
Byzantine Empire
Teotihuacan (central mexico)

All of the world's greatest civilizations were victim to the same problems. And from all these problems, war, genocide or mass immigration are the most difficult to recover from.

No. 51207
>>51202
There is no such thing as a single black culture in many rural areas of Africa, where separate and distinct tribal cultures remain. However, in Africa's cities, particularly South Africa, as well as in the African diaspora in the Caribbean, these distinctions have been lost.

No. 51212
>>51207
So you're claiming that culture in the Caribbean is the same as the culture in Johannesburg?

No. 51217
>>51212
No, where did I say that? Of course there are different black cultures, just as there are different (but converging) black cultures. I think this process is happening to an extent among all cultures. Afrikaners and English in South Africa are no longer the distinct peoples they were; their culture is really not terribly different than that of Australians or Americans. Detribalised Africans are increasingly Anglicised and associate themselves with black American culture.

No. 51221
>>51193
You fail to explain how self-determination for all peoples is somehow "reactionary". The idea that every self-identifying race should rule itself is positively liberal in its truest Wilsonian sense.

No. 51226
>>51217
Okay, so even this places "Black" and "White" Culture as being an invention at some point in the future which still means it never truly existed.

And if what you say is true, we're only seeing the condensing of the Anglosphere.

No. 51227
>>51204
>they fall because they enter in decadence
Ahahaha
Have you ever studied history? This is a myth propagated by reactionaries. They fall for lots of reasons, little of which has to do with anything one might define as "decadence". How do you define "decadence" anyway? Gays? Niggers? lol You are such sad little reactionary. It's childish and fear-driven.

>war, a natural cataclysm, incompetent leadership
These aren't a function of anything one might call decadence. These are natural functions of any culture. Sometimes cultures just loose the war.

>moral decay, and mass immigration/invasion of lesser cultures
Moral decay? How would even define this? As for immigration there a countless examples of huge (or relatively huge) populations immigrating to larger cultures and that culture didn't fall. America didn't fall when huge populations of Irish emigrated, or when huge populations go blacks were freed. America didn't fall during the 1920s or the 1960s, both times consider times of "moral" decay.

I can't believe you ever want to argue this with me. All cultures fall, for lots of reason, but they all fall. Your reactionarism isn't worthless, pointless, and totally misplaced. Go do some good in the world instead of wasting your time fearing the inevitable. You've lost. Give it up and worry about problems you can actually affect.

No. 51232
>>51227
You have never actually put forward any argument as to why it is wrong for any people to wish to remain separate and distinct. Jews do it. Native Americans do it. Why is it wrong for any white nation to want to live separately?

No. 51236
>>51227
I'm not sure what your argument is: That mass immigration and the collapse of western civilization is inevitable, or rather that immigration is harmless and that there is nothing to worry about?

No. 51243
>>51227
Every culture changes as a result of immigration. Of course America didn't "fall" as a result of Irish immigration, but it did change. The question we need to ask ourselves in the face of mass immigration from the Middle East and Africa to the diminished west is: is this a beneficial change, or a negative one?

No. 51248
>>51227
>How do you define "decadence" anyway?
Decadence can refer to a personal trait, or to the state of a society (or segment of it). Used to describe a person's lifestyle, it describes a lack of moral and intellectual discipline, or in the Concise Oxford Dictionary: "a luxurious self-indulgence".

Decadence is, basically, the dissapearance of the traits that led to the establishment and advance of that civilization in the first place: good social organization, effective leadership, high levels of education, proper cultural indoctrination or even a driving force like religion.

>These aren't a function of anything one might call decadence.
No, those are the events that kickstart a period of decadence, by bringing social upheaval, conflict or the rapid loss of economic power, military power, or culture.

>Moral decay? How would even define this?
Not moral decay in the Christian sense of the word, but the loss of the values that used to drive that culture. For example, Ancient Egypt during the Nubian invasion entered into a long period of cultural/moral decay: Uneffective leadership and economic problems led to desperation among the people and a rise in superstition and occultist rituals over traditional religious worship and intellectual activity. Priests gained more and more power, culture stagnated as people became more self-absorved into a chauvinistic lifestyle that involved spending countless of money in "magic figurines" and "amulets" that would protect them in the afterlife. Those elements had always been part of Egyptian religion, but they gained much more influence in this period of decay. Morality, philosophy and ethics stopped being the focus of the religion, and instead the accumulation of magic figurines became the only guarantee of a good afterlife.

This is a clear example of cultural decay. Ethics and philosophy losing ground to irrational materialism.

>America didn't fall when huge populations of Irish emigrated
Irish are white and have a similar culture and IQs to WASP Americans. I clearly said "mass immigration/invasion of lesser cultures that don't appreciate the most refined aspects of their hosts" - clearly does not apply to the Irish, as it applied to the Mycenes that invaded Crete, the Seljuk Turks that invaded the Byzantine Empire, or the Huns that invaded Rome.

>reactionarism
You seem to be using this word a lot, always incorrectly. Do you even know what it means?
I'm not reacting to any revolution or any change, I'm just explaining reality from an archeological perspective.

No. 51261
"Why should the people of your race be colonized, and where? Why should they leave this country? This is, perhaps, the first question for proper consideration. You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. If this be admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated. It is better for both, therefore, to be separated."
- Abraham Lincoln

No. 51279
Since Europeans and their descendants are now a small minority (roughly 10%) of the world's population, the demographic shift taking place as populations from outside Europe, North America and Australia begin to settle in these landmasses cannot be accurately summed up with the term "race mixing" (which implies that the result of the mixing of the races will involve the equal contribution of all). It would be more accurate, given our tragic minority status, to describe it as the slow but undeniable assimilation of the people if the diminished West into the Third World.

No. 51283
>>51279
*of*

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>>51279
When one looks at the demographics of different countries, it's easy to think that the future of white people is secure. Just take a look at this map, showing the percentage of white people (defined as "unmixed European descent") by country... that's surely a lot of people, right? And a lot of countries.

But indeed, as you say, birth rates and demographics are key to understand the coming assimilation of the white race... (continued)

No. 51297
>>51198
I the original poster to your response. There's African Cultures, but no supra-african-culture. No such thing as Black-Culture. Black-American-Culture surely.

>>51221
>You fail to explain how self-determination for all peoples is somehow "reactionary".
Do I have to? Isn't it obvious? (it's interesting how you changed 'races' to 'peoples', I assume by 'peoples' you mean 'races')

>The idea that every self-identifying race should rule itself is positively liberal in its truest Wilsonian sense.
The new paradigm is obviously one of race mixing (an obvious inevitability). To fight against a new paradigm is to be reactionary. When you wish to keep old ways (I.E. racist notions of racial self-determination)you are a reactionary. I'm sorry to tell you this but the liberalism of the past (your concept of wilsonian liberalism) becomes the conservative ideas of the future. It's called progress.

>>51232
Do I have to? This isn't about "right" and "wrong". It's about the progress of time.

>>51236
Does it matter either way? My argument is that reactionaries like you are pointless moot shallow myopic people. Defending a pointless concept like 'race' is the essence of reactionarism. I'm attacking your entire orientation on the progress of history.

>>51248
Do you have any proof for this concept you call decadence? Again cultures fall for lots of reasons which are inter-connected. Lots of myopic reactionaries is also a sign of decadence, as surely as anything you've mentioned. In fact it's just as crucial as anything you've mentioned. One can easily argue it's the fight between new forces and reactionaries that tears apart the foundations of many past cultures. The terrible fact is that new forces almost always win. Giant immigrations of people don't stop suddenly, no matter the ideas of people like you.

>Ancient Egypt during the Nubian invasion entered into a long period of cultural/moral decay: Uneffective leadership and economic problems led to desperation among the people and a rise in superstition and occultist rituals over traditional religious worship and intellectual activity. Priests gained more and more power, culture stagnated as people became more self-absorved into a chauvinistic lifestyle that involved spending countless of money in "magic figurines" and "amulets" that would protect them in the afterlife. Those elements had always been part of Egyptian religion, but they gained much more influence in this period of decay.
This period of Egyptian history is hotly debated, and yet you seem to have intimate knowledge of the goings-on of the time. Perhaps you are much older than you seem? (you are a moron and you've cheery picked a terrible example contested by thousands of archeologists)

>You seem to be using this word a lot, always incorrectly. Do you even know what it means?
Your arguments all stink of "race realism" a reactionary position. You forgot to mention my example of the slaves being freed.

>I'm not reacting to any revolution or any change, I'm just explaining reality from an archeological perspective.
You are reacting if you sincerely believe that the various 'races' should somehow, magically, split up and co-exist separately. This was the position you (or some other moron who no doubt believes what you do) put forward. You are a reactionary, just a pseudo-intellectual historical-revisionist one.

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>>51295
... when we take a look at a map showing Net Migration Rate by country, the picture becomes much more terrible. It's a sad fact that the majority of countries receiving immigrants (blue), are white countries, while the majority of those sending immigrants (red), are non-white countries. The only major exception is Eastern Europe, where the future of the white race seems secure (for the time being).

Outside of this region, however, the trend is pretty clear. Every developed white country is being flooded by third world non-white immigrants!

(this map has already been posted in this thread, but my post looks better with it, so I'm posting it again)

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>>51301
And now, in this last post of my explanation, I show you the most dangerous map of them all.

One thing is to measure white people by percentage, but when we see absolute numbers we really get to understand the big picture. This map shows the countries of the world with their size adjusted to their population. Notice how many white countries shrink, and how many senders of immigrants enlarge.

Compare this map, with the other two already shown, and you come to understand that, in a long enough timeline, the white race is doomed.

White people have already been driven out of Africa through demographics. Only in South Africa a tiny minority remains. Russia is the most endangered white region nowadays, muslim and chinese immigration is already taking over low-density areas in Siberia, while ethnic Russians emigrate to the West in search of better opportunities, thus reducing the percentage of whites exponentially.

No. 51313
>>51297
>ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem reactionary
Not one single argument. You can look decadence in any major encyclopedia and you will find definitions similar to mine. Still, judging by the lack of arguments and the over-usage of Marxist pejorative insults like reactionary, I think you are just a shitty troll.

No. 51322
>>51313
By the way, "change" is not always a good thing, you can see that by the example of, say, the communist revolution in China, which delayed the development of that country for at least four decades.

And my knowledge about Ancient Egypt comes from the book "Western Civilization: Their History and Their Culture" by Robert E. Lerner, Standish Meachem, and Edward McNall Burns - all of them respected archaeologists and historians. The concept of decadence is repeatedly used in that book.

No. 51331
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51331
>>51308
>Russia is the most endangered white region nowadays, muslim and chinese immigration is already taking over low-density areas in Siberia, while ethnic Russians emigrate to the West in search of better opportunities, thus reducing the percentage of whites exponentially.

The whole Asians taking over Siberia thing is a retarded myth. And there is a smaller percentage of Russians leaving Russia than Brits leaving Britain or Germans leaving Germany. None of those countries are going to be losing their white majority any time soon, so just calm down Cleavis.

You white power nationalist faggots always have such exaggerated, sensationalist, fear mongering arguments, that's why no one takes you seriously.

No. 51336
>>51331
they're race realists

No. 51338
>>51313
OK... Reactionary isn't a marxist term, but calling me a marxist is a old conservative tactic.

>>51322
This isn't about what is good, merely what is inevitable... Good is relative.

No. 51344
>>51338
Japan is 99% Japanese. Please explain to me how they manage to pull that off and "delay the inevitable".

No. 51381
>>51344
They've done a 'good' job... but even they won't last. You really think there will be 'Japan' in a thousand years? Ten thousand? Don't think so. It's inevitable. There is no such thing as a culture that won't eventually die. Whites included.

No. 51387
>>51381
They don't die just get reloaded this is all a game and when god gets pissed at the game he just resets it.

No. 51515
>>51381
So what's your point? Since everything will be gone in the end, why bother?

No. 51516
>>51515
They want to take everyone with them to hell.

No. 51519
Better to fight for what is right rather than have it said in future that we allowed our civilization to die, and yet did nothing whatsoever to stop it. I don't mean "HURRRR GET YOUR GUN DURRRR" I mean consider voting for a political party who will make an effort, fuck, even a token effort, to keep the illegal hordes out. Why can't there be ONE political party in the West that actually 1) issues all illegals with identity cards, 2) passes laws allowing the government to check ANY foreign-looking person at any time for ID, and 3) deports immediately anyone who is unable to provide evidence of their citizenship in about 48 hours. I think South Africa is the best example we have so far (they managed to keep many of their towns and cities uninhabited by blacks up until the mid-1980s, despite the fact that their overall strategy had failed) but ultimately we need to be even more stringent.
Actually, now that I think of it, it's not inevitable that our civilizations die at all. All we need to do is hold out until we can abandon this world for another one. My fear is that since Western countries are all going to look like replicas of South American or Balkan countries soon, this won't be possible UNLESS we take steps to at least slow the movement of people into our states.

No. 51522
Immigration will lead to the end of our republican system of government and whole way of life, as political parties begin to form along ethnic lines rather than different issues. We are seeing the beginning of this in the United States, imagine what it will be like in a few decades? The Chinks and other freedom-hating cunts will use this as evidence that "democracy doesn't work" and the saddest thing is that they will be right.
Fuck the world.

No. 51523
>>51522
The future of the West is probably a political system something like Singapore, and that's best case scenario.

No. 51524
>>51523
What would it look like after another world war though?

No. 51525
>>51338
>Good is relative.
This whole way of thinking is what's killing the West, because sophist faggots like you ask "WELL GUYS WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH TOWELHEADS FORCING CIRCUMCISION ON LITTLE GIRLS AND BEATING THEIR WIVES, GOOD AND BAD? IT'S ALL RELATIVE", and yet at the same time, you somehow perceive anyone IN THE WEST with an attatchment to their own traditions, values and institutions as "backward" and "reactionary".

No. 51530
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51530
>>51297
>new forces almost always win
National Socialism is obviously the way of the future; we need to accept the new paradigm. I mean, we're in the middle of a Depression, while the Germans under that Hitler guy are having a ball. There's absolutely no point in living in the past. Silly reactionary.

No. 51531
>>51530
What that dipshit doesn't realize is that "new forces" whatever the fuck that means are rolled back all of the time. And yeah, Nazism is a good example.

No. 51553
>>51295
That map is fucking scary... note how Texas and California already have the same percentage of whites as a multi-ethnic country like Brazil!

Overall the United States is still in the light blue area (75 - 90% whites), but it won't be for too long if the FUCKING MEXICANS keep invading us.

No. 51562
>>51553
Actually, when you look at it, only some of the northern states like Montana are more than 75% white. Basically, there's a band running along the center of North America which is overwhelmingly white, while the southern US and the (obviously) the Canadian Arctic are not.

No. 51563
>>51562
I wonder why Ontario is less than 75% white?

No. 51564
>>51563
almost all the niggers in the country are clustered around toronto.
And fucking pakis. Millions of them.

No. 51601
>>51563
It's not

>Total Population: 11,410,045

>Total visible minority population: 2,153,045

=81% white

Stop making shit up again faggot.

http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census01/products/standard/prprofile/prprofile.cfm?G=35

No. 51602
>>51601
I wasn't making anything up, just looking at this map: >>51295

No. 51603
>>51602
Well that's what you get for believing an unsourced propaganda map that some white nationalist probably made.

No. 51606
Vancouver should be blue and Manitoba should be dark blue. Those are the only two I even bothered to check, so chances are it's wrong for a lot of other places. That map is terribly inaccurate.

No. 51608
>>51515
Not what I'm saying at all. My point is that the cat is out of the bag in terms of race mixing. It isn't going to reverse. You morons just have to accept it and move on.

>>51519
All of that is against the constitutions/laws of most modern countries. What you want is a shitty authoritarian state. No thank you. Safety does not trump freedom.

>>51522
If you say so it must be true right? Proof my friend.

>>51525
I don't condone Fundamentalist Muslims. Just like I don't condone backwards racists, Fundamentalist Christians, and any/all other forms of myopic arbitrary shit. Fundamentalist Muslims are reactionaries too you huge fucking moron. They are the same type of societal cancer as you. Societies need to stay fresh and ever changing. If they don't, they get bogged down by crazies/fundamentalists/conservatives. Which isn't to say we shouldn't deal with immigration in a moderate way. I believe we should tighten the borders, but we shouldn't do so based on racial reasons.

>>51530
National Socialism wasn't a progressive movement. It was almost entirely based off of racial reactionarism. The irony of ironies. It wasn't anything particularly new, merely more efficient than dictatorships of the past.

>>51531
See previous point.

All the graphs in this thread are lovely but merely more fear mongering. "OH NOES THE WHITIES ARE DYING OUT, SAVE US" Even as a white man I don't feel scared nor sorry for what's happening. Thanks to technology the world got a lot smaller and race-mixing is a inevitable part of that. Even if you some how manage to reverse the clock now, it happen later on.

No. 51618
>>51608
To avoid any misunderstanding, let me make it perfectly clear that I do not in any way admire Nazism. Nevertheless, the main reason why Nazism is considered to have been reactionary today is because it failed. During the rise of Nazism and fascism in general, it was widely perceived to be the wave of the future, as (for some) the Great Depression had shown that liberal democracy was the old wave. If they had won, it would be their version of history that would be taught, explaining that the triumph of Nazism was inevitable.
Your perspective is dangerous, because it assumes that civilization will always move in the direction it is at the moment. On the contrary, since it is mainly ethnic Europeans who believe in the progressive ideas that you believe in, their shrinking will result in the fading away of those ideals and their replacement by the ideals of non-Westerners, such as Islamism and Chinese ideas of authoritarian government.

No. 51623
Ironically, Western ideas of liberal democracy enjoyed their greatest prestige at the end of the 19th century at the height of imperialism (the Meiji adoption of Western systems of government in the 1860s and the failthful foundation of Liberia along American lines by freed black slaves are key examples of this). However, once the West began to actually live up to its ideals by granting the dark races their self-determination, the West became increasingly despised. It seems a contradiction, but is actually easy to explain. In the 19th century, it was commonly perceived that the West's freedom and the inquisitive nature of its scientists and teachers was the source of its wealth and power. Now that this very capability for self-criticism has led to (in the view of many of the West's former charges like Lee Kwan Yew of Singapore) decadence and the loss of our once great power, the value of our ideals and systems of government in their eyes has diminished with them.

No. 51624
>>51608
>race-mixing
You keep using this term, which is not at all an accurate description of what is happening. For the most part, African blacks remain African blacks. Asians in Asia are still overwhelmingly Asian, and will remain so, since immigration to Asia is not as great and Asian governments pursue racial immigration policy. What is happening in the West is mainly the replacement of whites by other groups. Some race-mixing is happening as an inevitable result of the presence of millions of non-whites in the West, but this is merely a sideshow.

No. 51626
>>51519
>1) issues all illegals with identity cards
lol, I think you mean legal immigrants here

No. 51652
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51652
>>51601
>2001 Census
Nice try, faggot. There was another census in 2006 and reported much more visible minorities.

http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/english/economy/demographics/census/cenhi06-11.html

>The 2006 Census enumerated an estimated 2.7 million Ontarians that identified themselves as a member of the visible minority population.
>These individuals represented more than half of Canada’s total visible minorities (5.1 million); and, 2.2 million live in the Toronto Census Metropolitan Area (CMA).
>Between 2001 and 2006, Ontario’s visible minority population increased more than four times faster than the population as a whole (27.5% vs. 6.6%). Ontario’s 242,495 people who self-identified as aboriginal are not counted as part of the visible minority population.
The map is accurate. Deal with it.

No. 51735
>>51618
Again what people believed Nazism to be at the time and what it actually was, are two different things. Your point is moot.

>On the contrary, since it is mainly ethnic Europeans who believe in the progressive ideas that you believe in, their shrinking will result in the fading away of those ideals and their replacement by the ideals of non-Westerners, such as Islamism and Chinese ideas of authoritarian government.
How do you know it won't be western ideals that eventually overtake Muslim Ideals? America does this quite well with it's immigrants. Britain, apparently, does not. Again we are discussing race here. Ideals are a different story.

>>51623
blah blah blah revisionist history, blah blah

>>51624
So because it isn't happening right now, it isn't inevitable? This isn't even an argument.

No. 51738
>>51735
>what it actually was
And I thought you were the moral relativist who thought that there was no such thing as "good" and "evil"? Whether it was "progressive" or not depends on exactly what you think society should be "progressing" towards.
Of course I think they were evil, but many people across Europe and in the US also thought that they were both good and progressive.

No. 51749
>>51381
>You really think there will be 'Japan' in a thousand years?
Why not, there has been for the last 1,000
>The Nara period of the eighth century marked the first emergence of a strong central Japanese state, centered around an imperial court in the city of Heijō-kyō, or modern day Nara. In addition to the continuing adoption of Chinese administrative practices, the Nara period is characterized by the appearance of a nascent written literature with the completion of the massive chronicles Kojiki (712) and Nihon Shoki (720).[17] (Nara was not the first capital city in Japan, though. Before Nara, Fujiwara-kyō and Asuka served as capitals of the Yamato state.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan#History

No. 51777
>>51738
>And I thought you were the moral relativist who thought that there was no such thing as "good" and "evil"?
Huh? There was nothing in my statement inclined towards good and evil. Though, generally speaking, Nazism wasn't good for the human race as a whole. My point was that what the German people, and others in Europe, believe about the Nazi party proved false. It was just another dictatorship. There was little Socialism involved, and what you might call Socialism wasn't merely more grasping for power on the part of Hitler. It happened only because it furthered other ends.

>Whether it was "progressive" or not depends on exactly what you think society should be "progressing" towards.
Actually progressive isn't quite like that. It's quite obvious to anyway with any grasp of history that racism is an old idea. It's a much newer concept, in terms of history, to purposefully not be racist for societal gains and for the freedoms of the individual. So, from a temporal perspective, racism is a reactionary position. Merely calling something progressive doesn't mean it is.

>Of course I think they were evil, but many people across Europe and in the US also thought that they were both good and progressive.
Which doesn't mean they were. Again, you keep making the same mistake. Racist dictatorships weren't progressive, they weren't new. Merely because some people at the time considered Nazi's progressive doesn't mean they were. Or at least they were not progressives in current sense. To any case the opposite of a reactionary isn't a progressive, it's a revolutionary. Progressivism now and Progressivism during WWII are two distinct separate entities. Hitler wasn't really a revolutionary because he preached reactionary sentiments. The great tool and the great mistake of revolutionaries is that they appeal to previous 'better' times. There was no golden age my friend.

>You really think there will be 'Japan' in a thousand years?
>Why not, there has been for the last 1,000
The whole point of my argument is that world is fundamentally different 1000 years ago than it is today. It's a much smaller place. People are traveling abroad and emigrating. In a 1000 years i'd say there is a better than 50% chance there are still some ethnic Japanese, but not much more than that. I don't see how you could possibly believe that people will just go and on living in their respective countries not race-mixing forever. That's just plain stupid. If not in 1000, then in ten thousand. Honestly, if you know anything about the respective 'races', you'd know they change with emigration. Race is a fluid thing and changes over time.

No. 51781
>>51777
You're a fool if you think that there is a constant trend towards the greater acceptance of mixing between different groups. Tolerance of it ebbs and flows depends on the current circumstances of a given group. White people in Europe and North America currently exhibit tolerance towards mixing, largely as a result of their current power and invulnerability. Jews in Israel, on the other hand (along with other small nations like Native American groups in the US and Afrikaners in South Africa) are less tolerant or intolerant of miscegenation as a direct result of their natural feelings of vulnerability and their perception that mixing out will lead to the dimunation and decline of their people. Mass immigration into Europe will not lead to the post-racial society you predict. Rather, it will lead to greater group consciousness among native Europeans and less tolerance. In fact, I think that the Jewish diaspora (as well as white Africans) is a perfect example of what ethnic European peoples will resemble in a few hundred years. We will still have great power and wealth, but we will be insecure as a result of our new minority status and the jealousy of the burgeoning other races that we will share our ancestral territory with.

No. 51785
>>51781
South Africa is a perfect example of what is being discussed in this thread. In the 1600s, it was considered perfectly socially acceptable for VOC employees at Cape Colony to take Hottentots, Malays and bush people for their wives. Between the early-mid 1600s and the late 1700s, it continued to be quite common and accepted, particularly if the non-white spouse was a speaker of Afrikaans (how do you think the bruinmense came into existence? They are a product of a long gone era in the history of the Afrikaner volk when mixing was normal). It was in the 1800s, as Bantu began to move westwards into the Cape from the east and it became increasingly evident that whites were becoming a minority everywhere that miscegenation became socially unaccepted among Afrikaners, at first only among the upper and middle classes before it was finally proscribed by the National Party in 1948. It is worth taking note of the fact that even today after the abolition of apartheid, mass race mixing is still not very common. In fact, since apartheid, the consciousness of the white South African of being a vulnerable minority has increased as a result of them being exposed to the reality of living in Africa, which they had for fifty years been shielded from, with all the crime, violence, disease and suffering that is associated with it.

No. 51786
>>51785
Interesting post I never knew race mixing was socially acceptable back then. I suppose as societies become more conservative they create an us vs. them mentality.

No. 51790
>>51786
They were just as "conservative" and belonged to the same Dutch Reformed Church that has dominated Afrikanerdom for centuries. They simply had no ethnic consciousness in the way that modern Afrikaners do. Remember, VOC employees had effectively just gotten off the boat from a Netherlands with no racial minorities or conflicts worthy to speak of (OK, besides maybe the Jews to an extent) back then - why would they have had any qualms about mixing with the locals if they took their fancy? It was only once immigration from Europe tailed off and the black majority in previously white areas became Bantu (as supposed to Khoisan) that the primal fear of "being swamped/overwhelmed" (oorweldigend) and insecurity that we associate with Afrikaners today began to develop. It's not like there's something in the water there that makes people xenophobic or anything.

No. 51792
>>51790
Interesting thank you for your opinion.

No. 51813
>>51781
Riiight... Your speculations aside, oh great revisionist, the jews are a good example. Rather than suffering through another dispora why not just race-mix your differences away?

>>51785
More examples of reactionaries. This proves nothing other than that you must be the moron who is always posting these South African stories. They aren't news you huge fucking moron. What happens in some African shithole means nothing. I know you've fetishized the plight of the whites in the country, but it's really not news to the rest of the world. Generalizing from it gets you no where. Bring it up over and over again won't confirm your shitty race realism, and it won't some how stop the inevitable. If you think for one second that until the death of mankind we will all just co-exist in separate racial categories you are sadly mistaken. The races will eventually mix. Modern technology has decreed it. Bitching about it here won't help you. Your children or their children or their children will eventually marry some Asian, Black, Latino. I hope your alive to see it.

No. 51816
>>51813
Different person here, I'm going to answer anyway.

>Rather than suffering through another dispora why not just race-mix your differences away?
Because race-mixing with certain groups lowers the average IQ of your offspring.

>This proves nothing other than that you must be the moron who is always posting these South African stories. They aren't news you huge fucking moron. What happens in some African shithole means nothing.
[THIS IS WHAT LEFTISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE]
So... you don't care about what happens to other people? Whites or blacks? I guess the thousands of deaths that happen in SA every year, due to AIDS or rampant crimes, are not "tragedies" but "statistics", like Stalin used to say, amirite?

That's the difference between realists that accept the facts and delusional leftists that follow their dogma no matter what the evidence tells them: We actually care about the welfare of people, both black and white. Delusional leftists like you are DIRECTLY RESPONSABLE for the chaos that is Africa today. People like you pushed for decolonization, for majority rule, for left-wing thugs like Mugabe or Nkrumah. People like you boycotted Rhodesia and South Africa, refusing to acknowledge the simple fact that uneducated Africans were simply not ready for majority rule. People like you support dictators and former terrorists over WWII veterans, true democrats and statesmen like Ian Smith.

To a leftist shitstain, ideology comes before people. You need to believe you are better than everybody else, that you have the moral high ground and that your ideology is right no matter what, even if people die as a consequence of it. More pragmatic people, those that bother to look at the facts and learn about past mistakes not to repeat them, those that truly care about the welfare of people over their own ideology, acknowledge what a disaster decolonization and majority rule have been on the African continent.

I'd rather stick to my ugly and politically incorrect ideology over your utopian and delusional dogma, at least mine is based on reality.

>The races will eventually mix
Eventually isn't here yet. And I personally wouldn't mind some race mixing as long as the important stuff - good looks and intelligence - don't get lower than their current average.

No. 51829
>>51816
>Different person here, I'm going to answer anyway.
I doubt this highly. You've been samefagging all over this board and thread.

>Because race-mixing with certain groups lowers the average IQ of your offspring.
So we should live as separate entities until the end of mankind, no matter what, merely to conserve our precious IQ scores? (IQ being a construct of various aspects of something called intelligence, which has been correlated with a concept called g) No dude, the answer is no.

>So... you don't care about what happens to other people? Whites or blacks? I guess the thousands of deaths that happen in SA every year, due to AIDS or rampant crimes, are not "tragedies" but "statistics", like Stalin used to say, amirite?
No, I just don't care much about SA because there are plenty of things happening in the world of greater importance. You see obsessed with this single shithole for racial reasons. It confirms something you think to be true. Globally speaking SA is of little importance, and of no importance to our little discussion. You just like to bring it up in every thread you feel you can.

>That's the difference between realists that accept the facts and delusional leftists that follow their dogma no matter what the evidence tells them
huh? Your kind are just as delusional and less intelligent on average. Your theories stink of historical-revision, pseudo-science, and conspiracy theories. Leftist may be delusional but no more so than right-wingers and racists. You, and yours, are under some deluded idea that even if you could proven this great racial divide that it would even matter. It wouldn't, even if you could prove conclusively that whites or asians or jews were the master race, it wouldn't give them the right to be the masters. Hopefully someday you will realize that your theories and beliefs don't matter, and all that all you seek is confirmations of your own distorted beliefs.

>delusional leftists like you are DIRECTLY RESPONSABLE for the chaos that is Africa today. People like you pushed for decolonization, for majority rule, for left-wing thugs like Mugabe or Nkrumah. People like you boycotted Rhodesia and South Africa, refusing to acknowledge the simple fact that uneducated Africans were simply not ready for majority rule.
Eh? Now you are simply generalizing. You are obsessed with Africa in general aren't you? Why is that? Decolonization happened as a result of WWI and WWII. Empires couldn't maintain their holds any longer in Africa. That quite literally is what happened. As for Majority rule, I'm not sure how you are going to argue against that. It's an accepted fact in most of the world that a government should be democratic in at least some sense. Or at least aspire to be democratic in some sense. Even China has local voting. (look it up) I don't support dictators. Most modern progressives don't. Some leftists (marxists, etc.) do occasionally, but that doesn't mean all leftists do. What happened to Africa could have been averted in a lot of ways without having 'whites' maintain their control over majority black countries.

>You need to believe you are better than everybody else, that you have the moral high ground and that your ideology is right no matter what, even if people die as a consequence of it.
This sounds just like every reactionary, ever fundamentalist, every racist, creed in the history of mankind. Nothing new here dude. Try again.

>More pragmatic people, those that bother to look at the facts and learn about past mistakes not to repeat them, those that truly care about the welfare of people over their own ideology, acknowledge what a disaster decolonization and majority rule have been on the African continent.
The two things that would have saved the African people are the two things that would have magically left 'whites' in charge? This seems oddly convenient. I'd suggest you take a look at something called confirmation bias,and hindsight bias. You, like many historical revisionists, exhibit these traits.

It's very interesting when ever you and I have a debate on this board about race you magically interject SA into the discussion. Your basically nuts. Sorry to tell you. Get some perspective man. You have given me no reason to believe that man won't eventually race-mix away the concept of 'race' entirely.

>
I'd rather stick to my ugly and politically incorrect ideology over your utopian and delusional dogma, at least mine is based on reality.
Oh? That's nice, You and every other racists in the history of mankind has thought the same. I'd rather be deluded about something that brings mankind together, than something that divides.

>Eventually isn't here yet. And I personally wouldn't mind some race mixing as long as the important stuff - good looks and intelligence - don't get lower than their current average.

Good looks? No such thing. As for intelligence? I don't accept your concept of intelligence. I don't even accept your idea that intelligence is genetic in any more than a shallow sense.

No. 51842
>>51829
>I'd rather be deluded about something that brings mankind together
Because racism is the only thing that apparently divides us amirite

No. 51846
>>51829
Since you do not believe in the notion of seperate ethnicities per se, do you believe that all outmoded and advocate a one world government, then? Surely anything else is just hypocrisy.
Your argument that European Empires in Africa were doomed seems correct. However, South Africa was not an empire. It fell not because it had become too expensive to maintain (after all, its maintanance was the prime concern of its voters, who would pay any cost). It fell rather due to the determined efforts of millions of people across the world who were determined to force their businesses, universities and governments to end any dealings whatsoever with the Pretoria government. South Africa was unable to withstand this economic pressure.

No. 51847
>>51846
I meant to say *do you believe that all national boundaries based on ethnic divisions are outmoded and advocate a one world government, then? Surely anything else is just hypocrisy.*

No. 51849
>>51813
>Rather than suffering through another dispora
So you acknowledge that becoming a minority is not always fun?
>the moron who is always posting these South African stories. They aren't news you huge fucking moron. What happens in some African shithole means nothing. I know you've fetishized the plight of the whites in the country, but it's really not news to the rest of the world.
Here in the UK, you'd be surprised how much SA and Zim news there is on television, maybe that's not the case in the US. Remember, there are literally millions of Brits with relatives over there, so you're talking out your hat. Also, this board isn't /n/ - US News or even /n/ - World News, so if you don't like news about SA, you can minimize them to your heart's content.

No. 51853
ITT we learn that leftists are slimy.
Between the 1960s and 1980s, leftists argued that South Africa and Rhodesia were evil and had to be overthrown, not only because they were apparently the most evil systems of government in the world (the rest of Africa being run by genocidal dictators was fine apparently) but also because apparently the white devil was responsible for the relative poverty of black people in both states. Now that Zimbabwe is a shithole with the highest inflation rate on earth and South Africa's poverty rate has doubled, they sensibly have switched their argument to "oh yes, they have gone down the shitter in economic and wealth terms, but it's still good because BLACK POWERBLACK POWERBLACK POWER".

No. 51857
>>51829
>I'd rather be deluded about something that brings mankind together, than something that divides.
You really are an idiot aren't you. What you're failing to understand is that among other groups besides white people, among whom there is not really any anti-racist movement worth speaking of, ethnic and racial conflict continues and is actually more common rather than less as European influence over the world declines.

No. 51860
>>51829
Race mixing doesn't automatically lead to harmony and peace; people have plenty else like religion and ideology to argue and start wars about. I think another thing people have been desperately trying to get you to understand is that there is not a constant movement towards acceptance of mixing between different groups (and I don't just mean race). Groups with greater numbers are more likely for obvious reasons not to care as much, while Jews, Afrikaners and other small or vulnerable nations are likely to be less tolerant. It's not so much as you say that there is some sort of great movement among all peoples towards mixing into one massive ethnic group, but rather that groups of varying numerical strength always view mixing outside the group differently. This is what the person explaining the history of Cape Colony was trying to explain, but you dismissed it with your "LOLOLOLSTURMFAGOBSESSIONWITHAFRICALOLAFRICAWHOCARESABOUTNIGGERSLOL" bullshit.

No. 51864
>>51860
He's still a bit angry over having been proved wrong over this: >>51601

No. 51866
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51866
I would take white nationalists more seriously if there existed any such race as "white", but all the actual science says that it doesn't exist. The "race" that they are defending is not a race at all but rather a culture. European culture. Nothing wrong with defending a culture per se, but if you pretend that a culture is a biological race you'll end up believing all kinds of false nonsense.

I say this as a "race realist" myself. They're as bad as the liberal race deniers. Just as I have to accept the science that says that negroids have a lower average IQ I also have to accept the science that says that there is no unique race that is native to Europe.

No. 51868
>>51813
>This proves nothing other than that you must be the moron who is always posting these South African stories.
Because there's no way they could be posted by more than one person apparently.
>They aren't news you huge fucking moron.
Learn the difference between international and national news. Just because a news story may not have as broad international significance as another does not make it "not news". Also, we Britfags could moan all the time about all this election coverage, but a) we recognise that most of this board are Americunts and b) we're cool with reading American news. Why are you OK with Americunts and Eurofags complaining about their useless governments, but when Africafag(s) do it, you fly off the handle?

No. 51869
>>51813
>What happens in some African shithole means nothing.
Funny it did mean something back when it was all about overthrowing the PIG DISGUSTING "racist" NP.

No. 51875
>>51869
Libbies have sensibly decided to stop talking about Africa now. Funny, their expectations of their liberation heroes have constantly been lowered:
1950s - Africa will become a paradise. Some idiots were actually predicting that African countries would become wealthier than European ones within a few years of independence, on the back of their natural resources. I only wish I was kidding.
1960s - Lefties begin to realize that much of Africa is becoming a fuck up. The term "neo-colonialism" is coined to deflect attention from how useless and venally corrupt most African countries are.
1970s - Because most of Africa is now in the shitter, the relative wealth of Portuguese Africa, Rhodesia and RSA is now VERY uncomfortable. Leftists now focus their efforts on overthrowing these states, rather than, oh, I don't know, trying to stop hundreds of thousands being butchered in Burundi, the Congo, etc. Riots in which the ANC encouraged schoolchildren to attack the police and were killed come in handy as a tool to attack the NP with in a massive propaganda campaign.
1990s - Portuguese Africa and Zimbabwe are now free of influence from the evil colonial imperialists. Moz and Angola are shitholes, but Zim is keeping its shit together, and is used both as an example of how successful post-colonial transition can be, but also as an example of how white South Africans can give up their sovereignty without fear.
Early 2000s - South Africa now free of the colonial menace. Tens of thousands of people are being murdered every year, but the economy is doing well, which is something to be very thankful for, since Zim is now in the shitter as well. The optimists again shift their focus south.
Late 2000s - UH OH! South Africa is now suffering from massive skills flight, and there have been savage riots in which foreigners are being raped/burnt to death for taking South African jobs. The useless police and border guards are doing fuck all to stop illegal immigration, so the local blacks see no other option to keep the unwanted foreigners away from them. Since Africa is obviously a total shitheap, the leftists get very defensive, and argue that it doesn't matter if their economies are terrible, if thousands or millions are murdered, or if whites are driven from their home countries. So their expectations have gone from peace, inter-racial harmony and developed economies to nothing in only a few decades.

No. 51877
>>51866

Things white nationalists get wrong.

*Western culture is learnt. It's not genetic. Countries such as Spain, Italy and Ireland today are rich, but a few decades ago they were shitholes. They did it by changing their political / economic cultures. There is no inevitability that their "whiteness" will make them successful, and strangely enough when they weren't successful people were saying they weren't white.

*Europeans are not genetically gifted any more than other Caucasoids. You can post as many maps from Lynn and Vanhanen as you like, but when you equalize environment all caucasoids do equally well. Europeans are CULTURALLY gifted.

*Mixing ethnicities causes conflict. Mixing races does not. It only causes conflict if the races happen also to be ethnicities but it makes no difference if different ethnicities happen to be the same race (e.g. Serbs / Croats, Lebanese Christians / Muslims). Ethnic conflict occurs independently from the biological concept of race.

No. 51879
>>51877
Often ethnicities and races at least partially overlap, though.

No. 51882
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51882
>>51877
>There is no inevitability that their "whiteness" will make them successful, and strangely enough when they weren't successful people were saying they weren't white.
"The Irish Tempest" from Punch. Very related.

No. 51884
>>51879

This is true, which is why it is even more important to separate the two concepts. Both racists and leftie "anti-racists" often seek to conflate them. At the extreme you get nonsense like Hitler viewing Poles as untermenschen when genetically eastern Germans are more similar to western Poles than they are to western Germans. On the other hand lefties try to paint people who criticize certain cultures or say that it is wise if certain cultures are not mixed together in the same state as "racists" when race has nothing to do with it (e.g. Pim Fortuyn is a "racist"). Both of these things annoy the hell out of me.

No. 51885
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51885
>>51866
>I would take white nationalists more seriously if there existed any such race as "white", but all the actual science says that it doesn't exist.
Delusion of adequacy much?
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/sci;319/5866/1100 clearly supports an European/White race, as do most recent studies and even traditional anthropology. Picture related.
>The "race" that they are defending is not a race at all but rather a culture. European culture. Nothing wrong with defending a culture per se, but if you pretend that a culture is a biological race you'll end up believing all kinds of false nonsense.
Oh wow. Ok, I'll be nice for one post unless you continue your denial. I haven't actually read the rest of the thread but this caught my eye.
> I say this as a "race realist" myself. They're as bad as the liberal race deniers. Just as I have to accept the science that says that negroids have a lower average IQ I also have to accept the science that says that there is no unique race that is native to Europe.
Do you have any idea what the picture you presented is even about? The test is based on a selection of ancestry informative markers drawn from multiple studies, including the one I cite. European populations have been studied more extensively, and thus we are able to differentiate between Southern (in your picture, Meds) and Northern Europeans, as per your picture. Then more in-depth studies appeared, being able to differentiate between Europeans even by their country of original. Suffice to say, all studies note that there is little genetic diversity in Europe.
So, going back to the point: The picture you posted is *not* supposed to be a racial classification system, nor is it a phylogenetic tree. It's just what that commercial company tests for, and Europeans happen to be studied more in-depth, so they test more in-depth. Also, EuroDNA 1.0 is shitty and outdated anyway.

No. 51886
>>51884
So you take a centrist view too? that is a very wise view to take with this issue since there is so much overlap with both sides.

No. 51889
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51889
>>51882

We look now at people who thought that the Irish were not white as retards, and wonder how they could have been so retarded to not see that the Irish are white despite their poverty and lack of development. However exactly the same thing happens today but with a different set of people and >>51885 is an example of it.

To their minds Arab are poor because they are genetically inferior, but this is rubbish. If you take a load of genetic Arabs and give them European culture they become first world. That's exactly what the country of Malta is, for example. Yet somehow Maltese are "white" whereas Syrians are inferior "sandniggers" despite the fact that you couldn't get a cigarrette paper between them genetically.

Just as I'm not fooled by the liberal race deniers who say that low black IQ is entirely environment I'm not fooled by these people who proclaim the superiority of a race called "white" that doesn't even actually scientifically exist and just oh so conveniently happens to coincide with what we used to call "Christendom".

No. 51892
>>51882
http://www.punchcartoons.com/More-Categories-history-&-politics-Ireland/c200_32_79/index.html

No. 51893
>>51889
> We look now at people who thought that the Irish were not white as retards, and wonder how they could have been so retarded to not see that the Irish are white despite their poverty and lack of development.
Cite your insightful source saying specifically 'non-White,' preferably from a peer-reviewed publication.
> However exactly the same thing happens today but with a different set of people and >>51885 is an example of it.
Except I provide evidence from peer-reviewed studies based on empirical genetic data. Since I'm >>51885, what the fuck do you mean?
> To their minds Arab are poor because they are genetically inferior, but this is rubbish. If you take a load of genetic Arabs and give them European culture they become first world. That's exactly what the country of Malta is, for example. Yet somehow Maltese are "white" whereas Syrians are inferior "sandniggers" despite the fact that you couldn't get a cigarrette paper between them genetically.
LOL. Actually, the differences between Near Easterners and Europeans are quite stark as I've shown. As for the Maltese, they're clearly admixed, and their Phoenician/North African imprint is pretty obvious. They have a lot more European admixture than the Arabs though. I don't know anyone who considers them fully White.
> Just as I'm not fooled by the liberal race deniers who say that low black IQ is entirely environment I'm not fooled by these people who proclaim the superiority of a race called "white" that doesn't even actually scientifically exist and just oh so conveniently happens to coincide with what we used to call "Christendom".
Actually, you seem to be pretty keen on denying that Europeans are a coherent genetic grouping distinct from Near Easterners despite all the evidence. Tell me, are you a non-European Caucasian free-riding Western society and institutions?

No. 51902
>>51889
>We look now at people who thought that the Irish were not white as retards
They are white, but of an inferior stock. Just like how slavs are inferior to Germans.

>To their minds Arab are poor because they are genetically inferior...
Who said the Maltese are white? They obviously have some Arab blood in them. And don't forget the richest Arab countries have Muslim culture so your argument is weak.

Did you know the Jews have recieved Nobel Prizes at a rate 2700 times higher than Arabs, adjusting for population? You "culture" worshippers must then believe for every genius Jew who recieves a prize, "culture" holds back 2699 Arab geniuses. It's just absurd. Genetics plays the largest part here.

No. 51906
>>51889
I'm glad you mentioned the Irish. You see, the example of certain White groups who faced discrimination and yet managed to assimilate regardless is a great one. A great one for disproving liberal nonsense that discrimination is what causes negro inferiority, that is.

No. 51907
>>51906
Bullshit. The reason why Irish assimilated more easily was because they were physically indistinguishable from other Europeans. This meant that it became impossible to easily distinguish Irish Americans from other European Americans at a glance once they had lost their distinctive accent at became culturally integrated. The same is not true for Asians and blacks who obviously wear their seperate ancestry on their skins, making it easier for whites to discriminate against them.

No. 51908
>>51907
How do Asians outperform Negroes then?

No. 51909
>>51907
>wear their seperate ancestry on their skins, making it easier for whites to discriminate against them.
Actually in a color blind society blacks would be even poorer. Their skin lets them free-ride through affirmative action programs and white guilt.

No. 51914
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51914
>>51813
>Rather than suffering through another dispora why not just race-mix your differences away?
Because people like being who they are. They like their own culture and their own people, and when a nation/tribe/race/whatever becomes a minority, mixing out leads to the death of that people.

No. 51915
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51915
>>51914
This explains why peoples become increasingly inward-looking and opposed to mixing when they become a minority in the midst a larger population of other people. Whether or not actual human races exist or not is a moot point - what can be said for certain is that if any minority group wishes to continue its existence in the midst of a numerically greater people, whether they be Jews, Afrikaners, or Pensylvania Germans, they must remain separate. And more often than not, this desire to remain separate increases as a minority group dwindles in number.

No. 51916
>>51813
>why not just race-mix your differences away?
Because for a minority people (racial and otherwise different from the surrounding population), mixing doesn't result in a hybrid, it merely results in the minority people being destroyed. Compare the United States and Canada to Mexico. In both US/Can and Mexico, race-mixing between natives and whites has taken place. However, in Mexico, the mix was the result of a much more equal contribution from both sides, and the culture of Mexico reflects this. The United States, however, does not. I have partial Cherokee ancestry (1/32). However, this mixing between the dwindling Native American minority and the burgeoning settler population did not result in me being born someone of a hybrid culture. My thoughts, behaviour and appearance are all recognisably European. For this reason, many minorities come to fear and oppose it if their children take people from outside the group as lovers or marriage partners. If Australian Aborigines, Jews in the West, Afrikaners in Africa, native Americans or any other minority people mixes freely with the majority that surrounds them, they will cease to be what they are, and their children will eventually become indistinguishable from the rest of the population. It's not just an issue among people of ethnic or racial difference; among minority religions besides Judaism, too, there is often tension related to mixing out and for the same reason. Among the Egyptian Christian community, there is great tension associated with mixing out as a result of Christians now remaining a 10% minority in Egypt where they were once a majority.

No. 51917
>>51914
>>51915
Have you looked at Jewish "outmarriage" rates in the US? The current rate is well over 50%.

No. 51918
>>51917
I saw some study rebutting that, but even so it's still an incredibly high number considering they're 2% of the population. Any other White ethnicity, like Polish or whatever, would have much higher rates of intermarriage with other White people.

No. 51919
>it merely results in the minority people being destroyed.
And the average IQ being decreased when we mix with negroids like the mexicans or niggers.

Mixed blood people have much higher crime rates and rates of mental issues. Keep america white.

No. 51920
>>51917
IHHO both outbreeding and opposition to outbreeding grow as a minority shrinks. It makes sense really; as a minority shrinks, the likelihood of a member of such a group choosing a partner from outside increases. When a group is still increasing in size (think Russians in the 19th century or the Dutch in Africa in the 16th) outbreeding is generally not opposed by anyone really. A good example of this is the Han Chinese. Because they are so numerous, there has historically never been any prohibition on Han Chinese mixing with other peoples (Yue, Tibetan, Mongolian and Manchurian). On the other hand, among China's old Manchu aristocracy, there was increasing apprehension between the 17th and 20th centuries that their people would die out. For this reason, it was strictly punishable for Manchus (I believe by death) to marry Han Chinese, even as rates of outbreeding among the tiny Manchu minority increased. The Manchu nation of 100,000 (among a Chinese population of over 400,000,000 at the time) that existed at the beginning of the 20th century numbers just 100 today. Their language, culture and power have evaporated, since this mixing has not resulted in a hybrid population but rather the disappearance of this once-mighty people. Whether it really "matters" is all a matter of your POV.

No. 51921
>>51920
that obviously should be "imho"

No. 51922
>>51920
woops, also should be *never been any prohibition [i]from their own people/i] on Han Chinese...*

No. 51925
>>51924
>>51920
Dude, stop talking to yourself. There are many people on this thread, but we can actually identify all your posts because they are the only ones that don't list "Anonymous" as the author. Keep all your arguments in one post, plox, it makes for easier reading.

No. 51927
>>51925
Hmmm, I haven't been filling in the name field either. It's wierd if what you're saying is true though.

No. 51928
>>51918
>Any other White ethnicity, like Polish or whatever, would have much higher rates of intermarriage with other White people.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I'd like to see a study on it, but nobody seems to care much about white America ethnic groups. Whites are just one big block to Americans, but in fact white ethnic groups are far from the same. They are very unevenly spread geographically, and they differ quite differently in social and economic status. It's just that nobody notices since they are all white. One of the crazy things about Affirmative Action is that it doesn't target white groups, like Italian Catholics, who are heavily underrepresented in universities and elite occupations.

As for outmarriage rates, there are things like religion and geography that keep groups seperate. Irish Americans (and Poles) are almost always Catholic which is a barrier to outmarriage. Scots-Irish are Protestant and have a large presence in the South. English and Scottish Americans are Protestants and generally live in the North East. Germans tend to live in the Midwest. White Americans aren't as "mixed" as they think.

It's interesting that the largest white Americans groups are German and Irish, but these groups don't really dominate socially. Almost all presidents in history have been of British stock (English and Scots-Irish).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_ancestry

No. 51929
I think a lot of people in China identify themselves as minorities like Manchu in the same way as Americans say they're Irish. Their language and culture is pretty much gone though.

No. 51930
>>51928
Oh come on, how many Americans even get married now?

No. 51937
>>51928
Read this: http://westbiop.blogspot.com/2008/07/inverted-mind.html

No. 51941
>>51937
Interesting data, but Kevin McDonald's conclustions are wrong as usual. He overlooks the fact that Jews mix in higher social circles, due to their higher mean IQ. Think of the universities, workplaces etc where Jews meet partners. There will be an overrepresentation of Jews in these places. People tend to marry those with a similar IQ to themselves and there are less smart gentiles as potential spouses for Jews. The other white groups all have similar mean IQs and will mix with each other much more.

No. 51942
>>51941
Are you simply stupid or have you read too much GNXP?

No. 51961
>>51847
Eventually yes. A world government seems likely.

>>51853
Eh? Which leftists do you mean? Be more specific. Leftist is a pretty fucking general term. You aren't responsible for every stupid piece of shit thing done in the name of racism, and I'm certainly not responsible for some revolutionary interventionist douches bags from 40 years ago.

>>51849
Actually /n/ generally does mean World News. Not British news, and certainly not SA news. Your interest in SA is shared by relatively few.

>>51857
You really sincerely believe that mankind will remain divided on racial lines until the end of time? In the last 30 or 40 years, roughly since Thatcher and Reagan took office, the world has become more conservative. That doesn't mean conservationism will win. One thing we can all be sure of is that things will change. Living ins some crazy racial stasis becomes less and less likely as technology improves. We are more likely to destroy our selves than do what you are proposing is a possiblity.

>>51860
Again over and over you put forward this hilarious concept. Eventually something will force humanity to unite.

>that there is not a constant movement towards acceptance of mixing between different groups (and I don't just mean race).
There is now. Technology ensures it.

As to the SA example. It's fucking moot. It says nothing about the inevitability of what I am proposing. None of you can see to come up with a good reason as to why humanity will just remain in it's separate racial divisions forever. If I were you I would be arguing something along the lines "humans will always be divided because that is there nature or some such". What happened in SA says nothing about what will eventually happen other than that it may take a long time.

>>51864
I wasn't that guy, sorry.

>>51868
lol What happens in AMERIKKKA is of world import. You can see this by taking a look at the world economy right now. Nothing that happens in SA is of world importance, help its not really that important to Europe.

>>51869
It wasn't to me, and actually even then, it wasn't that important. The news made it seem that way because it was shitty human-interest story.

>>51875
I'm am not the leftist of 40 years ago. Your shitty arguments don't even apply to me. At the same time all this shit was happening right-winger interventionists were fucking with the middle east, setting up for all sorts of horror and shit later on. The fact you even think this is important shows how delusional you are. The rest of the world is worried about a world-wide recession while you obsess over Africa because you believe it confirms your shitty race-based ideas about the world.

>>51914
>>51915
>>51915
The fundamental difference here is that I don't mourn the death of individual cultures. Everything dies, get the fuck over it. Latching onto the 'white' race like a dying rat is your choice I guess. So long as humanity survives, I don't really care. Mind you I believe a divided humanity is a weak humanity.

No. 51962
>>51961
Humanity will eventually die too.

No. 51963
>>51961
People will always be divided along one line or another. The idea that we will merge into one global society and people depends of communications continuing to improve forever. I wouldn't rule out a catastrophe that once again seperates us into different groups.

No. 51964
>>51961
It is just as arbitrary to have any particular loyalty to the human race as a whole as it is to be loyal to a division of humanity. It's really nothing more than a primitive survival instinct, much like racism. To the honest, philosophical mind this is only too obvious.
http://www.simonyi.ox.ac.uk/dawkins/WorldOfDawkins-archive/Dawkins/Work/Articles/1993gaps_in_the_mind.shtml

No. 51966
TRANSHUMANISM FTW

No. 51969
>>51961
> Actually /n/ generally does mean World News
>4chan refuge /n/ - News
wut

No. 51971
>>51962
You need to embrace change! Protecting your primitive concept of "humanity" is reactionary!
HURRR DURRR DURRR CHANGE IS INEVITABLE

No. 51975
>>51971

Dam a river, and the water rises. Change happens, it cannot be stopped.

No. 51976
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51976
>>51961
>Actually /n/ generally does mean World News. Not British news, and certainly not SA news.
Because RSA is obviously not of this world??

No. 51977
>>51975
Counter-examples:
Hellenization of India (Alexander the Great)
The Rise and Fall of Fascism, WWII
The Soviet Union & Communism
Failed Democratization of Russia
19th century restoration of European Monarchies
Oliver Cromwell and his failed dictatorship
Spanish Civil War, restoration of the monarchy
Japanese invasion on China
Soviet invasion of Finland

Need more examples of "change" that was stopped dead on its tracks?

No. 51978
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51978
With all this talk about Negroes, Communism, racism, CHANGE and whatnot, I'm amazed that this thread lacks a single Obama joke.

No. 51983
White people will be killed in mass numbers while most of them deny the truth. It's ok. Natural Selection is taking it's course, you stupid white cunts.

No. 51984
ITT: White people prove that they are too afraid to fight off blacks in any country.

No. 51986
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51986
Judy Rensberger
Johannesburg, South Africa

In 1952 Helen Suzman seemed a poor bet to become South Africa's most vilified and yet most internationally admired politician. She was young and pretty, rich and social, and the golf-playing wife of a Johannesburg doctor.

She ran for Parliament mostly because her husband thought it was a good idea, she did not expect to win, and — if the low keyed tone of her first campaign literature was any clue - perhaps she didn't even care.

She did win, however, and she has won ever since. Today Mrs. Suzman is the only national office-holder unalterably opposed to her country's notorious "apartheid" form of government. Outnumbered in Parliament by 165 to 1, she is the lone but eloquent advocate of civil rights and equal opportunity for blacks — and a more unpopular cause in South Africa is difficult to imagine.

"She has now got the name for being the official mouthpiece of permissiveness and all subversive activities in South Africa," an enraged cabinet minister once fumed after Mrs. Suzman had questioned him pointedly about the indignities that South African law inflicts upon blacks.

Parliamentary rules forced the cabinet official to withdraw the remark, which he did, but he tried again with, "…the mouthpiece of everything evil, of everything un-South African, and of all people who want to subvert authority and decency…."

He was ordered to withdraw that remark, also, whereupon he sputtered to a stop and lapsed into angry silence.

In addition to name-calling in Parliament (usually something along the line of "tool of Communist agitators"), Mrs. Suzman also has to contend with abusive phone calls, heckling and hate mail.

She is not particularly bothered by it, she said in a recent interview at her home in the plush Johannesburg suburb of Hyde Park.

"I am provocative, and I admit this. It isn't as if I'm only on the receiving end, a poor, frail little creature. I can be thoroughly nasty when I get going, and I don't pull my punches."

Nevertheless, the hostility aroused by Mrs. Suzman's "integrationist" views does concern her supporters.

"I worry about her," a male friend confided, "I worry about letter-bombs. I said, 'Helen, have you thought about letter-bombs?’ And she said, 'Of course I have, I’m no fool.’ And I said, ‘Well, what are you going to do about it?’ And she said, ‘Nothing.’"

The friend, a director of First National City Bank's Johannesburg operation, concluded sadly, "She's all alone up there, you know. Doesn't even have anyone to go to lunch with."

Few politicians in South Africa, it seems, care to socialize with someone who:

Dismisses as ludicrous the government's plan to herd millions of black Africans into scattered "homelands" destined to become independent black islands within a white South Africa;

Demands repeal of the Terrorism Act and several other laws that permit arrest without charge, imprisonment without trial, and indefinite solitary confinement;

Proposes that the country's windfall from the rising price of gold be used to improve health care, housing, transportation and education for blacks;

Urges higher wages and collective bargaining rights for black workers, along with an end to the "job reservation" system that legally prohibits even qualified blacks from working at "white" jobs, and

Believes that citizens' morals can withstand the films ("Mash", "Midnight Cowboy"), publications ("Playboy" and, inexplicably, the University of Natal's student engineering journal) and advertisements (on packages of pantyhose) that have been banned by "old Mother Grundies" on the censorship board.

The "radical" views that 56-year-old Mrs. Suzman espouses with precision, scholarship and a crisp British accent, frequently annoy her colleagues in Parliament. But what really angers them is the fact that she has focused worldwide attention on South Africa.

Mrs. Suzman has , by invitation, conferred with heads of state in Europe, visited leaders of independent black nations in Africa, and addressed Congressmen in the U.S.

Most recently, Oxford University honored her as the South African politician "best known and most respected" overseas. A French magazine once ranked her (along with Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi and Shirley Chisolm) as one of 50 "most important women in the world today", and a British publication called her "one of a handful of women who have made their names in international politics since World War II". Countless other tributes, sometimes effusive to the point of embarrassment ("…lone flickering flame of liberty amidst the darkness that envelopes South Africa…."), have been widely quoted in the African and European press.

Still, the plain fact is that Helen Suzman's 21-year battle against apartheid has been a failure.

If anything, the grip of apartheid has tightened in recent years and, to the distress of white liberals, new laws curbing freedoms of speech and assembly have made it increasingly difficult to mount any kind of opposition.

Mrs. Suzman readily admits that she has not accomplished very much. Asked to say exactly what, she once told the Rand Daily Mail, "It was probably my incessant nagging that resulted in policemen having to wear identity numbers." As she explained, "It is useful to know who is hitting you on the head with a rubber truncheon."

Beyond that, Mrs. Suzman concedes, she can do little more than get an occasional passport returned, or a banning order lifted, or the conditions of a political prisoner ameliorated.

But if Mrs. Suzman's scorecard is depressingly lopsided, that fact does not seem to diminish her supporters' ardor:

"Listen, she's our champion," a Johannesburg geologist said reverently, "If it weren't for her, the rest of the world would think everything was just fine in South Africa."

What keeps her going, through defeat after predictable defeat, is something that mystifies admirers and detractors alike.

Once, after Mrs. Suzman had delivered a particularly nettling speech in Parliament, Prime Minister John Vorster exploded, "Where are you heading? What are you and your Communist friends trying to do with South Africa?" To which Mrs. Suzman replied coolly, "We are trying to stop you."

It is a quixotic goal, for both Mr. Vorster's Nationalist Party, in power since 1948, and the United Party, the official opposition, share virtually identical views on race.


A Johannesburg political columnist pointed out that Mrs. Suzman, the only Progressive Party representative in Parliament, year after year must take on single-handedly both a "tough and ruthless" government and a "bitter and resentful" opposition party.

"That would be unpleasant enough for anyone," he wrote, "But it must be doubly so for a woman, in an overwhelming male bastion of the kind which believes deep down that femininity belongs in the kitchen."

To Mrs. Suzman, such considerations are beside the point.

"I represent all the enlightened people in this country," she said firmly, "and that's a fine thing to be able to do. It infuriates my opponents when I say this, but it is true."

After more than two decades, Mrs. Suzman's parliamentary skills are finely honed. She is a knowledgeable and effective speaker, a meticulous researcher and rarely, if ever, has she been caught with her facts wrong — a record that has won grudging respect even from bitter opponents.

As a Member of Parliament, Mrs. Suzman is entitled to question government ministers on the record, and she does so incessantly:

How many people are being held without trial? What about the seventeen who died mysteriously while in detention? How many blacks are arrested each day for violating the "pass laws"? How many have been forced into resettlement camps by the Group Areas Act? What is being done for the three million black farm laborers bound to their employers by the Masters and Servants Act and earning only 28 cents a day?


The government accuses Mrs. Suzman of deliberately asking embarrassing questions.

"It is the answers, not the questions, that are embarrassing," she retorts.

When what she considers outrageous legislation comes before Parliament, Mrs. Suzman becomes even more aggressive. A recent example was her vigorous opposition to the Gatherings and Demonstrations Act, which restricts and in some cases prohibits the right of peaceful assembly.

Mrs. Suzman attacked the bill at every reading. Then she opposed it, clause by clause, through the committee stage. Her amendments were rejected, and the bill passed overwhelmingly. She immediately called for its repeal.

Mrs. Suzman and her Progressive Party are, despite the "leftist" labels, quite moderate in their political philosophy.

Economically the "Progs", as they are called, are unabashed capitalists who favor free enterprise, foreign investment in South Africa and rapid exploitation of the country's vast mineral wealth. They oppose the boycotts and economic sanctions promoted by anti-apartheid groups in the U.S. and Britain, and even argue against the embargo on the sale of arms to South Africa.

"I can well understand Americans feeling strongly about anything that appears to bolster up an obnoxious system," she said, "but I can say unequivocally that the boycott does not work. It's never complete enough to have impact unless it's backed by force, and I don't think anybody in America seriously proposes that."

Mrs. Suzman, a former lecturer in econontic history at the University of the Witwatersrand, believes that internal economic pressures are the only effective weapons against apartheid. She notes that as a result of recent strikes, wages of black miners are inching upwards and the government is being forced to modify its rigid labor policies.

"I have always held that the more rapid the economic development of this country, the more apartheid will come apart at the seams," she said.

The "Progs" reject violence and guerrilla-style activity and are disturbed by talk in independent black Africa about armed intervention.

"This country is armed to the teeth, and none of these African states could begin to attack South Africa," Mrs. Suzman said, "But of course all these stories are grist to the mill of the government because they build up a very useful war psychosis."

Mrs. Suzman paused. "Tool of Communist agitators…," her voice trailed off. "I mean, it's really a joke, isn't it? Because, quite clearly, we are a party of real moderates. It just shows how little they understand."

Received in New York on January 24, 1974

©1974 Judy Rensberger
http://www.aliciapatterson.org/APF001973/Rensberger/Rensberger11/Rensberger11.html

No. 51987
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51987
>>51986
>in an overwhelming male bastion of the kind which believes deep down that femininity belongs in the kitchen."
SAMMICH PLZ

No. 51999
>>51942
Thanks for the intelligent response.

No. 52000
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52000

No. 52010
>>51975
TIME FOR CHANGE

No. 52017
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52017
"The tendency in Africa for nations to become independent, and at the same time to do justice to all, does not only mean being just to the black man of Africa, but also to be just to the white man of Africa.
We call ourselves European, but actually we represent the white men of Africa. They are the people not only in the Union but through major portions of Africa who brought civilisation here, who made the present developments of black nationalists possible. By bringing them education, by showing them this way of life, by bringing in industrial development, by bringing in the ideals which western civilisation has developed itself.
And the white man came to Africa, perhaps to trade, in some cases, perhaps to bring the gospel; has remained to stay. And particularly we in this southern most portion of Africa, have such a stake here that this is our only motherland, we have no where else to go. We set up a country bare, and the Bantu came in this country and settled certain portions for themselves, and it is in line with the thinking of Africa, to grant those fullest rights which we also with you admit all people should have and believe providing those rights for those people in the fullest degree in that part of southern Africa which their forefathers found for themselves and settled in. But similarly, we believe in balance, we believe in allowing exactly those same full opportunities to remain within the grasp of the white man who has made all this possible."

No. 52035
>>51964
Actually its not. You've elevated a single race to of equal importance as the whole of humankind. So no. There isn't any higher level of instinctual importance than humanity. It's you, those like you, who are being arbitrary by picking out specific groups of humans rather than looking out for the good of everyone.

>>51976
Proportionally speaking it gets way more attention on this shitty racist ridden board that it should. Most because of race obsessionists like your self.

>>51963
Pretty much. The inevitability of scenario is only thwarted by humanity dying out first.

No. 52036
>>52035
>Pretty much. The inevitability of scenario is only thwarted by humanity dying out first.
What you don't understand is that as the West falls under a wave of Third World emigration, the vast communications network that exists today will break down, leading to the reprimitivisation and retribalisation of the entire world. What you ironically see as the inadequate status quo will not be replaced by this beloved globalise Utopia you have in your head but a world more primitive, savage, and, yes, "reactionary" than you can imagine.

No. 52037
>>52036
*immigration*

No. 52046
>>52036
>What you don't understand is that as the West falls under a wave of Third World emigration

Oh stfu. The west is falling under its own inability to sustain its economic system properly. Though here in Canada we're not doing so bad.

No. 52049
>>52046
>Canada
+80% of Canadian exports go to the United States.
Have fun, faggot.

No. 52057
>>52049
And? I didn't say we won't experience any slowdown at all, but it's not like they're going to stop needing our trees and oil altogether. Our banks are safe and our economy is not in danger of collapse is what I mean.

We actually set a record number in job growth in September.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20081011.RECONOMY11/TPStory/Business

No. 52203
>>52057
Canada is going down, man!

No. 52223
>What you don't understand is that as the West falls under a wave of Third World emigration, the vast communications network that exists today will break down, leading to the reprimitivisation and retribalisation of the entire world. What you ironically see as the inadequate status quo will not be replaced by this beloved globalize Utopia you have in your head but a world more primitive, savage, and, yes, "reactionary" than you can imagine.
Mexicans aren't tribalists and they aren't primativists. Mexico is pretty shitty but it isn't a middle eastern country. It imports no crazy religions. Just a mass of relatively uneducated people. (which could, with relative ease, be educated and homogenized) So no, your little scenario doesn't work for America. As for Europe, well you people are fucked. Fundamentalist Muslims are a more virulent strain of stupid, and Europeans seem bent on allowing them to to remain stupid. America can always be counted on to eventually westernize it's inhabitants through greed.

What you are proposing won't happen quite the way you think it will. To any case it doesn't devalidate my original argument. If not now, then in ten thousand years. It is human nature to be both divided, and to band together when it is necessary to do so. At some point humanity will have to unite or go extinct.

No. 52224
>>52223
>humanity will have to unite or go extinct.
Sauce?

No. 52226
>>52224
"derp can I have a sauce on that opinion please"

Cancer.

No. 52228
>>52223
>Mexicans aren't tribalists
Yes they are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzh75595-DI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLUh1xnVCfM

>they aren't primativists
Ever heard of Southern Mexico, where the poorest live? There are guerrilla movements there like the Zapatistas that want to return to an anti-capitalist primitivist lifestyle.

>Just a mass of relatively uneducated people. (which could, with relative ease, be educated and homogenized)
That's an assumption. Mexicans born in the US still have lower average IQs than whites.

The other guy has a good point, and is that a society dominated by non-whites will actually result in something much more racist and primitive than what you hate today. It's really funny that you put Mexico as an example, because they are much more racist than Americans... most of them are mixed, but their TV shows are full of whites and lighter-skin mexicans, most of their politicians and celebrities have light skin in a country where 90% of the population has brown skin. Still, any white person walking through a street in Mexico has a good chance of being harassed by corrupt cops just because of their skin color.
That's the society you want to bring to America?

And we are talking about fucking Mexico... imagine what it's like in India, or in muslim and African countries!

No. 52230
>>52223
>Europeans seem bent on allowing them to to remain stupid.
wut

No. 52231
>>52228
Way to reduce complex social issues to simplistic racist ramblings

No. 52233
>>52231
>BAWWWWWWWW! REALITY IS RACIST!!!
Fix'd.

No. 52234
>>52233
Zing!

No. 52237
>>52233
>baww I don't understand the concept of cultural hegemony or the effect of economic and social capital

No. 52239
>>52237
None of those things explain the fact that Mexico is such a primitive and poor country. If you don't remember, Mexico got its independence only 36 years after the United States, they had plenty of time (and foreign aid) to industrialize themselves and turn into a modern country, and they have consistently failed to do so.

Even White countries that went through worse things than Mexico in recent history (civil wars, communism, fascism, dictatorship, WWII) are now better off than them. How do you explain this fact? That East Asian and White countries consistenly do better than all other races? Why do you ignore the fact that Mexicans born in the US still have lower average IQs than whites?

Address these issues with a logical explanation, or cry harder.

No. 52240
>>52239
How many times is this argument going to be played out? You can either accept that history matters and that there is such a variable as 'society' - that is, an abstract and multi-faceted dimension that is sometimes difficult to quantifiably measure - or you rely on one, reliable but clearly dependent variable called IQ. There are plenty of people who reject sociology and the impact of the USA's role in the Americas' political and economic dynamic as factors that contribute to the present supposed racial heirarchy, and there are others who don't. I'm in the latter camp. That's all there is to it.

No. 52241
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52241
>>52240
>How many times is this argument going to be played out?
As many times as it takes to shut up race-denialists and people that refuse to accept scientific facts.

>You can either accept that history matters and that there is such a variable as 'society'
I do accept that. "Society" explains why countries like Russia, China or Ukraine are in third world conditions, as a result of communism...

>or you rely on one, reliable but clearly dependent variable called IQ.
...while IQ explains why countries like Russia, China or Ukraine are catching up so fast vis-a-vis the rest of the world, while Mexico fails to create good economic conditions despite being located right next to the largest economy of the world. The two concepts are interconnected.

>There are plenty of people who reject sociology and the impact of the USA's role in the Americas' political and economic dynamic as factors that contribute to the present supposed racial heirarchy, and there are others who don't
So you are telling me that the United States has a hidden racial agenda? I don't think so, Tim. You can blame America all you want for third world poverty (and it's true that to an extent the United States meddled on its neighbour's affairs), but at the end of the day, the failure of brown and black people is their own achievement. You'd think that at least one non-white, non-asian country out of dozens would succeed and become prosperous, but that hasn't happened so far.

No. 52249
>>52241
Nonono, not being dragged into this. Your interpretation of history is either radically different, or you don't understand its effects.

No. 52305
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52305
>>51902

>>We look now at people who thought that the Irish were not white as retards
>They are white, but of an inferior stock. Just like how slavs are inferior to Germans.

Jesus fucking Christ. Did you come in a wormhole from the 19th century? Pic related.

No. 52311
>>52239

>None of those things explain the fact that Mexico is such a primitive and poor country. If you don't remember, Mexico got its independence only 36 years after the United States, they had plenty of time (and foreign aid) to industrialize themselves and turn into a modern country, and they have consistently failed to do so.

>Even White countries that went through worse things than Mexico in recent history (civil wars, communism, fascism, dictatorship, WWII) are now better off than them. How do you explain this fact?

Perhaps one thing you should be asking in relation to this is why Argentina is such a shithole compared to other white countries. Hurr durr Spanish are "inferior whites" won't wash as an argument since Spain itself is much wealthier than Argentina.

No. 52312
>>52311
Argentina GDP per capita: $13,317
HDI (2007) ▲ 0.869 (high) (38th)
Pretty respectable, actually.

No. 52313
>>52312
HDI:
1 ▬ (0) Canada ▲ 0.961
2 ▬ (0) United States ▲ 0.951
3 ▬ (0) Barbados ▲ 0.892
4 ▬ (0) Argentina ▲ 0.869
5 ▬ (0) Chile ▲ 0.867
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Americas

No. 52314
>>52313
Now let's look at the lowest 5 in the Americas:
1 ▬ (0) Haiti ▲ 0.529
2 ▬ (0) Guatemala ▲ 0.689
3 ▼ (1) Bolivia ▲ 0.695
4 ▲ (1) Honduras ▲ 0.700
5 ▬ (0) Nicaragua ▲ 0.71

No. 52315
>>52312

Mexico GDP per capita $12,400
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/mx.html

hardly a startling difference

No. 52316
Now let's look at the 5 best globally:
1 ▲ (1) Iceland ▲ 0.968
2 ▼ (1) Norway ▲ 0.968
3 ▬ (0) Australia ▲ 0.962
4 ▲ (2) Canada ▲ 0.961
5 ▼ (1) Ireland ▲ 0.959
And the lowest:
173 ▲ (2) Mali ▲ 0.380
174 ▲ (3) Niger ▲ 0.374
175 ▼ (2) Guinea-Bissau ▲ 0.374
176 ▼ (2) Burkina Faso ▲ 0.370
177 ▼ (1) Sierra Leone ▲ 0.336

No. 52325
>>52316

Those of us with any sense know that blacks are on average genetically retarded (though much less retarded with the same genes when the grow up in the west than when they grow up in Africa).

However it is open to much more questioning what precisely causes the poverty of Mexicans, Arabs, Chinese, Indians, South East Asians etc.

There are race realists and there are racial chauvinists. Just because libfags who want to defend scientific obfuscation that all races are equal are like shooting fish in a barrel does not support white supremacism. Particularly when science does not even support the existance of such a biological identity as "white", which is at least always partially defined by culture and not biology.

The standard stormfag line seems to be,

Chinese are really clever but poor because of culture.
Africans are thicker than American blacks because of the environment.
Indians are as thick as American niggers because of their genes, not their culture.
Arabs are as thick as American niggers because of their genes.
Mexicans are half way between whites and blacks because of their genes and not their culture.
Russians / Eastern Euros are poor because of their culture but not their genes (or sometimes "Slavs are inferior" (Slav being a biologically meaningless term)).

When you put all that together it doesn't really wash though.

For once I wish there were a serious discussion of race and IQ that just banned any mention of blacks.

No. 52333
>>52315
GDP per capita is not the only gauge to measure living standards, otherwise Arabs and their oil prices would mean that they have the bestlife quality in the world.

Take a look at Mexican HDI, literacy, life expectacy, hunger statistics, and try again libfag. Or you could just take a look at this map >>52241

Even the poorest country in Eastern Europe has a better life quality than Mexico.

No. 52389
>>52228
>Yes they are.
My god are you serious? All this proves is that the anti-emo sentiment that exists in Mexico is more organized than that of the one in America, or less lazy anyway. Fuck dude I count those emo-riots as a win their favor. I don't see at all how this is tribalists. We have gangs in America too.

>Ever heard of Southern Mexico, where the poorest live? There are guerrilla movements there like the Zapatistas that want to return to an anti-capitalist primitivist lifestyle.
Ahahahahah HAHAHAAHAH You have to be a troll. Protip we have primitivists here in America too, they just aren't really poor so they don't have a reason to be violent. The Zapitistas are not a major portion of the Mexican population. All this provse is a small minority of Mexicans, living in rural areas, are primativists some sense of the word. I can't believe you even tried to use this is as an example. What a fucking moron.

>That's an assumption. Mexicans born in the US still have lower average IQs than whites.
If you say so this must be true no? IQ isn't remotely what you make it out to be. Better educated people score better on IQ tests than less educated people. Wonder why that is?

>The other guy has a good point, and is that a society dominated by non-whites will actually result in something much more racist and primitive than what you hate today. It's really funny that you put Mexico as an example, because they are much more racist than Americans... most of them are mixed, but their TV shows are full of whites and lighter-skin mexicans, most of their politicians and celebrities have light skin in a country where 90% of the population has brown skin. Still, any white person walking through a street in Mexico has a good chance of being harassed by corrupt cops just because of their skin color.
That's the society you want to bring to America?
That's the fucking point of educating them moron. IQ isn't some sort of predetermined necessity. Education makes everyone less stupid. (though, in your case, obviously not as much as we might hope) Europe needs to work on educating and homogenizing it's immigrant population. I'm not against stiffening up the boarders. I am, however, against you morons finding stupid excuses for whites to remain in power. Your argument amounts appears to be that we keep whites in power because coloreds are more racist than whites. Well if you educate those people they won't be racists any more. Funny how that failed with the morons in this board. Just goes to show whites may actually be the most self deceptively stupid race on the face of the earth. (i'm joking)

>>52239
Eh? You seem to be not paying attention to the role of Mexico in the overall argument. Pay more fucking attention. It doesn't matter whether Mexico is a shithole or not. I don't have to argue that Mexico isn't a shithole, merely that it isn't a place of primativism and tribalism. Also that it's ways won't overtake America's ways. Which is absolutely true. Greed will take care of that.

>>52241
>while Mexico fails to create good economic conditions despite being located right next to the largest economy of the world. The two concepts are interconnected.
You think trade policies with mexico have nothing to do with it's apparent shithole-ness? I'd suggest you take a look at the history mexico dude. Lots of reasons there for them to be getting the short end of the stick.

>As many times as it takes to shut up race-denialists and people that refuse to accept scientific facts.
I love this. You don't have science on your side man. IQ isn't a scientific term, g is a scientific term and not a very pure one at that. Not only that, but the scientific community agrees with me. What you have is a lot of correlations and a few genetics studies done by fellow racists. Until you can convince the majority of Geneticists, Biologists, and Sociologists what you say is true, you don't have science backing you. (I MEAN LITERALLY GENETICISTS, BIOLOGISTS, etc )IQ researchers don't count lol. (half the time they have no background in any hardscience anyway)

China really is the breaker here people. Much of China is a shithole, in much the same way Mexico is. Less crime of course because of the government's hardline against i. Though in lots other ways, they are both utter shitholes. Mexico City is reminiscent of larger Chinese cities. Both have rampant sweatshops and over crowding in urban areas, as well as very poor rural areas. Even the types of governmental corruption are similar. Mexico, like China, has a very "i scratch your back you scratch mine" system of corruption in government at almost every level. If you've ever done a in depth comparison of their governments, the similarities are quite striking. Though the Chinese government has much more control, but that to be expected in a pseudo-communist government.

Every country that hasn't adopted a strictly western style white-culture government has met with less success than it's counterparts that have. This correlation says a lot I think. If IQ and genetics do play a role, which not even I won't rule out entirely, it's a minimal role.

It's quite hilarious that most of the arguments on this board by the "race chauvinists", as a another poster called them, some how leave whites in charge or in control well after they've become a minority. Whits should worry about homogenizing immigrant populations. This is the only answer. Immigration is hard to stop, and a diaspora is not desirable, a final solution is, of course, not an option either. Lower IQ or no, even niggers can be converted to white culture.

No. 52567
>>52389
>Lower IQ or no, even niggers can be converted to white culture.
Oh, they can, and Liberia is a good example of this. Founded by ex-slave mulattoes in the middle of the 19th centuries, it became the home of many pure Congolese blacks who assimilated fully into its culture, and nominally maintained a Western-style government and religion until the late 20th century, much like its white settler counterparts. Unfortunately, Liberia only reinforces the argument that it is very difficult to convert blacks to white culture; Liberia was destroyed as after the early to mid 20th century, mutual assimilation between civilized and tribal Liberia began. By the 1950s, it was rumoured that the President and other members of the elite were involved in the tribal secret societies, which traditionally demand human sacrifices and other pagan practices (i]("Gyobo")[/i]. This is the problem we face: yes it definitely is possible for blacks to be assimilated into Western civilization (ironically, the level of success we have achieved in this regard with American blacks becomes immediately obvious when they go to Africa, where they cease all of their silly pretentions of being "African", Liberian settlers themselves are a good example of this, along with black Americans who go to South Africa and find themselves, against their own wishes, sympathising with whites; yet another is Afrikaans-speaking urban blacks, many of whom defended the former government in SA even to the death). The problem is, though, that this "conversion" to Western culture has usually only been relatively successful when the black group concerned is smaller than the whites they live amongst (e.g. United States). It has naturally been less successful when the white group is smaller than the black population as a whole (e.g. South Africa, where only about 15% of blacks became assimilated into Western culture, and where the process of assimilation is now being reversed with whites assimilating into a black society).

No. 52569
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52569
>>52567
>http://www.liberiapastandpresent.org/RitualKillingsSecondHalf20thFf.htm
A former rubber planter who worked in Grand Bassa County during the Tubman and Tolbert years, told me that each year some workers would mysteriously disappear from the plantation, notably in the month of December. Co-workers, when asked for information, would just shrug their shoulders saying 'He will never come back'. He also cited the arrest and imprisonment of one of his overseers, who was jailed for a few months because of his involvement in a ritual murder case. Upon return, the man - when asked for the reason of his absence - told that he had acted upon orders of the local medicine man.

The foregoing may illustrate that ritual murders are likely to have happened each and every year in Liberia.

In the second half of the 1970s a wave of ritual killings was reported in the local newspapers. One may wonder how this openness in the Liberian press can be explained. Certainly, one explanation – and a positive one – is the relative freedom of expression and of the press that characterized these days of the Tolbert Administration. True as this may be, the possibility cannot be ruled out that reporting of the ritual killings was orchestrated, or at least encouraged by the Tolbert Administration, for the owners of these newspapers were virtually all part of the political establishment and close to the ruling elite. However, one should also not forget that many educated Liberians, both Americo-Liberian and tribal, abhorred the criminal practices of a small part of the ruling elite that considered itself above the law.

The selection of newspaper reports (below) show that ritual killings happened in all regions of the country: in the Hinterland, on the coast, even in the nation’s capital. The reports cover the discovery of the bodies, sometimes the arrest of suspects, but rarely the trial of the accused. The two exceptions to the latter are the trial of the murderers of Moses Tweh (Maryland County) and of Princelett Hilton Tiah (Sinoe County). It is likely that the cases referred to below are just the top of the iceberg. The exact number of ritual murders will never be known.

No. 52574
>>52389
>I love this. You don't have science on your side man. IQ isn't a scientific term, g is a scientific term and not a very pure one at that. Not only that, but the scientific community agrees with me. What you have is a lot of correlations and a few genetics studies done by fellow racists. Until you can convince the majority of Geneticists, Biologists, and Sociologists what you say is true, you don't have science backing you. (I MEAN LITERALLY GENETICISTS, BIOLOGISTS, etc )IQ researchers don't count lol. (half the time they have no background in any hardscience anyway)
You truly are delusional.

No. 52624
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52624
>>52305
I like how you didn't say what the graph is about, but it looks like GDP per capita. Notice how Ireland only became rich recently, after it slashed corporate taxes and opened its gates to foreigner investment? Ever wondered why Ireland is so hostile to the EU and its petty regulations?

Source of pic: http://www.forfas.ie/ncc/reports/ncc_annual_05/ch04/ch04_01.html

No. 52625
>>52624
Why do you reply to someone that agrees with you?

No. 52626
>>52624
Also, your link doesn't work.

No. 52632
>>52626
Yes it does.

No. 52633
>>52624
That's disgusting. Standard US corporate tax of 40%? fucking bullshit, and then we wonder why there is so much out sourcing to third world countries.

Add on all the pointless regulation and the power of unions and it's obvious why we've been travelling down this downward slope.

No. 52656
>>52624
>>52625

Well exactly. My point is that the idea that the Irish were poor due to "racial inferiority", apart from the simple sheer ludicrousness of the concept in light of actual genetic relations between the British, the Irish and other Europeans, is also daft because Ireland has been BOTH one of the poorest AND one of the richest countries in Europe within the same half century FOR PURELY CULTURAL AND NOT GENETIC REASONS.

No. 52661
>>52656

Therefore, color me sceptical when people start going on about, for example, "Slav inferiority" to explain the relative poverty of somewhere like Poland, when they have an even more obvious non-genetic excuse for their poverty than the Irish ever did (i.e. communism).

No. 52675
>>52656
Actually, the Irish constantly score lower on IQ tests and they always have despite the wealth they've accumulated. People from Eastern European shitholes score higher. They're the perfect argument against denier idiots who believe poverty is the issue.

No. 52690
ITT epic Stormfag fail

No. 52707
>>52675

Protip: The Irish are British.

The people of the British Isles are all 80%+ neolithic / paleolithic and pre-celtic.

Irish scoring lower on IQ tests is either Richard Lynn cherry picking, Richard Lynn's figures being unrepresentative or outdated culturally affected data.

One way or another the idea that the Irish are genetically predisposed to a lower IQ than other British Isles people is utter bunkum.

No. 52710
>>52707

Indeed in the standardised UK GCSE exams, both ethnic Irish living in mainland UK, and Catholics in Northern Ireland outscore the UK average.

No. 52712
>>52710

Though Protestants in Northern Ireland outscore both Catholics in Northern Ireland and the UK average (for whatever reason).

No. 52770
>>52567
So your argument is that even if we do manage to convert of immigrants to "white-culture". That once they outnumber us they will start to revert to less 'civilized' ways?

As for you hilarious example of pagan-sacrifice murders. That's quite interesting. You might take a look at the long history of psychics, homeopathies, kooks, crazies, and religious nuts the White House has welcomed into it's doors. Admittedly not quite on the scale of Pagan sacrificial murders (assuming it's true, and not bullshit made up by their opposition), but equally as stupid and unfounded scientifically.

I'd suggest you read a book called.
How Mumbo-Jumbo Conquered the World by Francis Wheen, he addresses quiet a few of your arguments.

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