;___;

And in the end, the World Government was absolutely right about him turning into a pirate. That's just painful irony for even an absentee of Garp's level to swallow.

>>24620

When the government is ridiculously corrupt, are you really fucking surprised so many people decide to become pirates?

>>24621
Hey, as this awesome bitch showed us, the Government, hell, those awful World Nobles can be reasoned with. And a world with the World Government is preferable to a world without it given that not all pirate crews are as amicable and noble as the Strawhats.

>>24618

>>24622
Hell, Alabasta showed us that just because your in the world government doesn't make you an asshole either.

>>24622
The Marines? Sure, they got plenty of level-headed people in it. But the WG? When have we've ever seen them not act like assholes or phsychopaths?

>>24625
Um... Kong's okay, I guess. Cobra's a good king, but I don't think he counts as the World Government.

>>24626
Kong's hardly had enough time to develop a personality. I don't count the kingdoms as WG, since they don't really work for them.

>>24625
Tsuru. Bitches love Tsuru. She be down foh sho evrethan, chal'.

>>24630
Tsuru is a Marine.

>>24625
...There's....

There's... the... the pug?

>>24635
What?

>>24638
Shalulia's pug. I was proposing that it was the only one in the World Government who we hadn't seen being an asshole or a psychopath, but when I went back to get a screenshot I found it pissing on a dying man, so guess not.

Hey! Spring of Trivia (ONE PIECE ver.)

I laughed.

>>24628
>I don't count the kingdoms as WG, since they don't really work for them.

What? I don't really see how that follows. The Kingdoms are all members of the World Government, why wouldn't you count them? Granted, I will give you that they don't seem to have to answer to the Five Elder Stars, they're more or less self-governing, but that doesn't make them any less a part of the organization

That'd be like saying "Well, I don't really count Smoker as a Marine, since he does what he wants and doesn't take orders."

>>24639
Yeah, that dog's an asshole too.

>>24642
Because they're self-ruling and don't seem to interact with them alot, I pretty much see their attitude and actions seperate. You can be a member of something but not be overly affected by its mindset. When I think of the WG, the agents, cipher pols, world nobles and Gorosei come to mind, not the vague kingdoms who make it up.

Maybe if they were more represented I would think different, but so far we've only seen like...3?

>>24647
Are any of these titles references to something? Except the Oda one.

>>24650

Brag Men had Noland, but that's it.

re: "Nice" World Government employees: There's Kaku. And the rest of the non-Lucci-and-Spandam CP9 didn't seem that awful, either, though of course, their full redemption only came AFTER leaving the Government. The Impel Down staff, apart from Sadie, seemed like okay, if harsh, people, too.

>>24657
>And the rest of the non-Lucci-and-Spandam CP9 didn't seem that awful, either

I can't agree with you there. Kalifa and Jabra seemed awful to me. I can't recall enough about Blueno to make a judgement. I will give you that the fat guy and lionman (whose names escape me) didn't seem like badguys. Of course, I haven't read that arc in a while and may not recall their personalities accurately.

The Impel Down staff were fucking bros. Under more pleasant circumstances, I could actually see them being friends with Luffy and co.

>>24664
Jabra was a huge dick, but murderous tendencies aside (because fuck, if we say "no murder" then why bother talking about the CP9 at all) most of his jerkishness becomes a little bit more understandable. He was caught on the worst day ever. After being stuck with only Fukuro and Kumadori for FIVE YEARS, they screw up their mission because his teammate is an idiot. His girlfriend breaks up with him for his rival (which Fukuro makes sure everyone, even the DOGS know), and then when his rival comes home the guy's on a completely different level of strength, with KAKU suddenly being his equal. And then a man in a suit flame-kicks his chest through five walls.

He was a liar and a violent jerk, but his bloodlust wasn't anywhere near Lucci's. He was able to act friendly and reasonably (even if half the time it was a scam,) and he had a pet chicken. So there were THINGS to like about him even if overall he was a jackass.

Frankly, I'm actually surprised at the amount of basically-decent (though often still willing to kill) people the Government hires, considering the Elders are such right bastards (I'm absolutely convinced that they do things like burning down Ohara not to safeguard the world but to safeguard their own power); you'd think they'd employ people more like them. This wouldn't be notable if it were just the lower ranks, whom the Elders probably don't concern themselves with, but even Kong, their next-in-command, seems completely different from them.

>>24671
You don't want an entire organization made up of power-hungry bastards since they might try to topple you. Get mostly people who think they're enacting JUSTICE (from lazy to dark), you get alot more willing lackeys who don't question your orders.

>>24671
>considering the Elders are such right bastards

Anyone besides me think that the Elders might have "justifiable" (and I'm using the term loosely) reasons for the shit they allow to happen?

Now don't take my words out of context, I'm not saying that what they do, allow, or tolerate is in anyway acceptable, but considering how little we know about them, and the secrets that they are trying to cover up, it seems to me that it could just as easily be a case of "the ends justify the means" in keeping world order as it is "we have to protect our own power structure".

Feel free to correct me if there's some tidbit of info I'm forgetting or ignoring that blows this whole theory out of the water

>>24670
>After being stuck with only Fukuro and Kumadori for FIVE YEARS

lol, you make it sound so awful

>>24674
They can certainly be interpreted that way, and I definitely see Akainu that way, but the Elders I just see as power-hungry douchebags who don't care who they have to step on to maintain their authority. Part of this may be because I also believe the theory that they are in fact the original founders of the World Government, kept alive throughout the centuries, likely by the Age Fruit, who conquered the Ancient Kingdom to gain control of the world.

>>24675
But what convinces me they're just trying to stay in power is that they covered up the Impel Down escape. That's certainly not trying to make the world safer...

I know the pun would've been shortlived and it wouldn't allow for the versatility in techniques she would come to gain from the Clima Tact.

But Nami using an ax in battle would've fit her personality somewhat, though the joke would've been lost on non-english speaking territories.

>>24674
The Celestial Nobles pretty much blow any attempt to justify the World Government's behavior out of the water. With the Marines, almost all of them do what they do out of some sense of justice (with Captain Axe-Elbow being the exception.) Spandam and his father especially give off the image of a government more concerned with keeping its power than protecting the world.

Why didn't Shiki simply fly to Raftel?

>>24678

What joke?

>>24682

Because only Roger knew how to get there.

>>24683
Battle-Axe can be used as slang to describe an "antagonistic, argumentative, domineering or overbearing" woman. Might be a coincidence, might've been intentional, I'm not sure but it's what stuck out to me when I first saw this particular piece of concept art.

>>24682
I definitely think there's something blocking people from getting into Raftel, and I think getting past that something will require being able to read the Ancient Language. That's where Robin will come in. That likely also means Teach isn't done recruiting yet...

Also the geography could be too lethal to simply fly to. Remember the lighting that fell like rain? And thats just the beginning.

>>24684
Ah, I get it now.

>>24682
Why would Shiki even care about Raftel? And why would Roger have to tell Whitebeard how to get there?

Speaking of Shiki, what does /op/ think of the Strong World movie? I only recently got the chance to watch it and thought that it was a pretty good film with plenty of great action and adventure. Had a very summer blockbuster vibe to it ala Spielberg.

>>24689
Biri/Billy should have joined the crew >8(

>>24689

Pretty to watch, but a meh storyline.

Luffy being afble to take on a guy equal to Roger pre-timeskip borks all the power levels.

>>24692
>Luffy being afble to take on a guy equal to Roger pre-timeskip borks all the power levels.
This is One Piece, not Dragonball Z. "Power Levels" are suggestions at best.

>>24674

Honestly, the Marines actions are pretty easily justifiable until we find out what happened in that void century. People assume they hid it because the WG did something horrible to CREATE a WG they had to erase it from history. There could also be something that the lost civilization used they're trying to hide.

>>24692
>>24693
Correction, Pre-separation Strawhats taking on a very powerful but considerably old and brain damaged pirate with anti-gravity powers.

There's such a thing as being past your prime and stretching yourself too thin.

>>24693
It's not as clear-cut as DBZ, but I think some characters are definitely stronger than others. I don't think anyone would deny that Newgate was the strongest character in the setting until his death, for instance.

>>24693

Except for the most part, the strength of people relative to each other in One Piece has been fairly consistent. It's not like Naruto when Konohamaru can take out a Pain or Bleach where the 6th-ranked espada is stronger than all the rest.

There is power degredation like how Arlong, Buggy, and Kuro got weaker lazing around the East Blue. It's even happened to Whitebeard (who was sick and well past his prime).

WB was still able to trash Marineford pretty badly even though he was way weaker than usual. If Roger = Shiki and Roger = WB, then Shiki = WB.

Therefore it's still really dumb that Luffy won.

He was way weaker than his prime, and even then he was still very powerful and nearly won, hell he did beat the strawhats a few times but pulled something of a crocodile in not finising them properly.

>>24698
Garp actually said that, while he had lost a ton of strength since his old age, Whitebeard was just as strong as he'd ever been. Didn't he?

Either way, it's not like Shiki was beaten easily, or that there were any "power levels" being borked. They EARNED that victory, and they did it with their own strengths and abilities. There's nothing stating that just because Shiki is strong (which was in large part because of his absolutely broken Devil Fruit), the Strawhats absolutely can't win against him (and it was a full-crew fight when they won.)

Different 'tiers' of strength are definitely a thing in One Piece, but they are not immutable. Just because one person is very strong, that doesn't make them immune to defeat by anybody lower than them. After all, Enel was easily the strongest person they've ever fought and his fight against Luffy was mostly running away.

>>24700
Enel was the strongest they've ever BEATEN. Pretty sure the Admirals could clean his clock.

Also, while we're on relative strengths of various characters to each other, am I the only one who thinks the Straw Hats may have, for lack of a better term, "level-ground" a bit too much over the timeskip? I mean, over at TVTropes we calculated the Hody, underwater, with his 'roids, was about as strong as Lucci, and his fight was... less that climactic. Would Luffy be able to beat Lucci that easily now? Well, that doesn't make much sense to me because Lucci's (former) position implies certain things to me about his strength relative to other characters, including the he should be able to defeat an average New World captain. That's why I think Luffy at least might be "overleveled," so to speak; if being thjat far above a Lucci-level character is what it takes to make it in the New World, then the Paradise-New World difficulty spike must be so high I honestly can't even comprehend it. Then again, if we're running into 400,000,000+ pirates on the very first island...

>>24703

Fishman island was a transition arc. If Hody and co. had been hard to beat, then it would like the Strawhats hadn't improved that much.

>>24704
I don't really think it works as a transition arc, though. It had been foreshadowed for ages, which made me think it would be an arc as massive and grueling as Water 7 or Skypiea. And my point is, while I wanted the Straw Hats to improve, I suspect Oda may have overshot how much they needed to, resulting in anticlimactic fights.

God people whining about the strawhats being stronger than those fishman losers is getting aggrivating.

The punks had no real dreams, there was no reason for them to be strong and the only reason they were able to offer even minor resistance is because they were popping steroids like candy, the strawhats had just came off a 2 years training trip. This ain't Naruto, where you spend a years long timeskip training but learn almost nothing and have to go on another training arc straight away.

Styop going on about it.

It was a big arc in the places it needed to be, which was concerning the emotional and political turbulence. But considering the Strawhats had JUST reunited as their strong selves, having them become little fish in a big pond right off the bat would have invalidated the growth they had already went through. Lucci was the best assassin in the world: Hodi was a super-strong asshole on steroids, and had nowhere near the same importance. Considering how powerful Arlong was supposed to be amongst fishmen back when he was introduced, if anything, this is a problem that stemmed from introducing them back in East Blue. Also from what we've already seen, YES the New World jump is insane.

As for Enerl, while he was dependent on his power, he also has basically the best Logia there ever was. He can do everything Kizaru can and at about ten times the power, is able to restart his heart and has the most powerful mantra in the world. It's true that the three admirals together could wipe him out, but in terms of power he's over every other person in the series, except MAYBE Whitebeard.

Wait, 400 million pirates?!

>>24706
But everything was pointing to FI being a big climactic arc, and yet... it wasn't.

I think the Straw Hats, after the timeskip, should've become strong enough to easily defeat a Pacifista. Being able to OHKO one, though, seems like a bit much to me.

>>24705

My point is that this arc was supposed to show how strong the Strawhats are.

It may have been anticlimactic, but if it had been as greuling as Water 7, where would we have seen their improvement? They'd have been struggling just as much as they did 2 years ago.

FI gave us lots of plot points and foreshadowing. I'm glad it did at least that much.

Things'll probably go back to being tough soon. If Punk Hazard isn't too hard for them to beat, then the next arc will.

>>24707
I was referring to Law's bounty.

And no, Ener's not that strong. Luffy said there were MANY people on the Blue Sea much stronger than him. He didn't have Armament or Conqueror's Haki, for one thing.

>>24710
Yeah
>>24707
Enel had Mantra and a Logia, but he isn't a god, there's many total badasses who could fuck him up solo in the new world.

>>24711
I think people overinflate Ener because he's the first island-destroyer we've seen, but that's ignoring the fact that he had to power himself up with his ship and all the gold in Skypiea to do that. Newgate, Magellan, Kuzan, and Sakazuki can all apparently wreak island-level destruction unassisted. Logias are all impressive, but Ener, without assisitance, didn't strike me as particularly higher than any other.

>>24712
My understanding was that Enel was the most powerful foe they had fought, and the only reason they were able to beat him is that Luffy was lucky enough to have a DF that gave him a huge advantage.

But I agree that he was probably not more powerful pre-timeskip than the Strawhats are post-timeskip. Especially not the Monster Trio.

>>24713
Again, he was the most powerful foe they've BEATEN. They've fought the Admirals, Magellan, and Kuma since then, and lost to them.

People need to stop focusing on power levels. The fights in this plot rarely have two people of the same strength. The Strawhats had won mostly by using their abilities in specific ways to defeat an opponent.

Ussop and Nami are perfect examples, as you should know. Physically they're probably weaker than Kuro. But because of their ingenuity they can defeat people who the monster trio would've had problems with back then.

>>24715
Sorry.

>>24715

On the other hand if you ignore how different characters' general strength matches up you get a giant tub of illogical bullshit with people winning and losing seemingly at random (but actually based on fan popularity).

I'm sure nobody wants that.

>>24717
If there is a curb-stomp fight without any logical explanation or reason why behind it, then sure.

>>24718
I actually felt that way about the Hyouzou fight. I mean, here's a guy who's introduced catching a punch from GEARED, POST-TIMESKIP Luffy, everything is pointing to him being a supreme badass and probably an incredible swordsman, THEN he powers himself up... and goes down instantly to Zoro, who's weaker than Luffy. I've gone as far as to declare that fight Oda's first example of what I call a "Harribeling," which is my term for what happens when a writer comes up with a badass new character, then just as quickly runs out of ideas for that character and anticlimactically removes them from the story. This is similar to what TVTropes calls a "Worfing," except a Harribeling is in my opinion worse writing because a Worfing actually has a point, whereas a Harribeling results from a writer LOSING their point.

>>24719
Wow he managed to half block a single hit from Luffy who wasn't focused solely on him, big deal. He still lost as a swordsman to Zoro.

>>goes down instantly to Zoro, who's weaker than Luffy.
This isn't DBZ.
Really just stop going on about all this.

>>24719
>and goes down instantly to Zoro, who's weaker than Luffy.

We don't know that.
Just because he's the #2 doesn't necessarily make him weaker.

>>24719

>here's a guy who's introduced catching a punch from GEARED, POST-TIMESKIP Luffy

You mean a guy that got blown away by the most basic of Luffy's 4th strongest attack series (depending on if he was using Haki, which would knock it down some more).
Hardened G3 (Elephant series)>G3(Gigant series)≥Hardened G2 (Red Hawk "series")>G2(Jet series). Honestly G2 is pretty much casual at this point. Hint: This is another thing Oda did to show Luffy's strength growth.

>The rest of the post.

100% fanfiction. Oda clearly and obviously intended the NFP to seem threatening. It worked, too (see: you). However, he never had any grand plans for their fights; they were always jobbers. You'd be better off if you completely wiped this headcanon nonsense from your brain and read the series in an unbiased way. You THOUGHT Hyouzou was important. Oda thought he would be a good way to show how strong Zoro became. It's not hard to see who was right in the end.

Hachi was the second strongest swordsman on Fishman Island. That doesn't say good things about Hyouzou.

>>24722
You know, I'm absolutely sure that had Kubo written that fight and not Oda, you'd all be on my side. Think back to the CP9 arc. Blueno could barely take Gear 2 punches from PRE-timeskip Luffy, and he was certainly no wimp. Now, I really think Oda shouldn't have included the punch-catching scene. I'd accept that the difference between "strongest swordsman at Fishman Island" and "someone trained by the strongest in the world" could be that wide. After all, the SECOND-strongest at FI was only high East Blue-level. But with the punch-catching scene, there's just no excuse.

To me, there's two BIG Sea Kings in the living room if Oda wants us to believe the Paradise-New World difficulty jump is as big as he seems to be implying it is. The first is CP9, particularly Lucci. I use Lucci as a measuring stick to determine how strong other characters are for two reasons: first, he's the strongest character we actually have a concrete figure for, and second, his former position implies (to me, at least) certain things about how strong he is in relation to other characters. After all, there's only one CP9 in the world, and Lucci is the strongest member. That could conceivably mean he could be sent on assignments in the New World. If so, there's not much use in an assassin who can be punk'd by the average Joes over there, so it's quite likely Lucci is stronger than an average New World captain, if not by much. And Luffy beat him. Therefore, Luffy may ALREADY have been New World-ready at Enies Lobby. Though, this is just me making assumptions again.

The second and more obvious Sea King is Kid. We're told he's made it big in the New World, even inconveniencing the Emperors. Thing is, he went there right from Sabaody, at which he didn't seem all that much stronger than Luffy. If we're to accept that Kid was New World-ready back then but Luffy wasn't... I'm not sure what that means.

Sorry for continuing this argument, by the way, I just really, REALLY love debating!

>>24724
>first, he's the strongest character we actually have a concrete figure for

Okay yes this is entirely about power levels then. That's all I'm getting from this, power levels and tiers. Because Lucci was tough, everyone else has to be on the same level.

>>24725
I'm not arguing for DBZ-style tiers, I'm just citing an example from the one arc we DID get DBZ-style tiers. I'm basically trying to reiterate what the Anon at >>24717 was saying.

If people haven't learned by now One Piece isn't about power levels they never will, just let it go.

>>24724
>I use Lucci as a measuring stick to determine how strong other characters are for two reasons: first, he's the strongest character we actually have a concrete figure for, and second, his former position implies (to me, at least) certain things about how strong he is in relation to other characters. After all, there's only one CP9 in the world, and Lucci is the strongest member.

He only got that strong after working for Iceberg. Before that mission, Jabra was the strongest member of CP9. And his "concrete number" was only half as strong as Lucci at the time of Enies Lobby.

What does that mean? You severely over estimating CP9's importance and strength as a fighting force.

IF Enies Lobby Lucci, as you say, is an equivalent of New World captain, than prior to going to Galley-La, even the strongest member of CP9 was significantly weaker than anyone fit for the New World.

They also say Lucci was the strongest of anyone in CP9's WHOLE HISTORY

Conclusion: CP9 ain't shit, really. Lucci was just a fluke

>>24728
I actually didn't remember that about Jabra. I just thought Lucci was always that strong. There goes my argument...

>>24724
Doesn't matter who wrote it. You're interpreting way too much in Hyouzu blocking a single punch (barely). Also his mindset from then to his fight with Zoro. He was weaker but had a clearer head to block that punch (once again barely). In his fight with Zoro he was much stronger but he was so drunk and doped that the majority of his power came from wild destruction. Zoro would've definitely defeated him easily if Hyouzu couldn't even focus on him.

>Though, this is just me making assumptions again.

Even before the timeskip, we didn't know the full extent of Kid's powers. After 2 years we still don't. He's most likely gotten stronger. And no way was he going to keep quiet and not draw the attention of the Yonkou.

>>24724

>I use Lucci as a measuring stick to determine how strong other characters are for two reasons: first, he's the strongest character we actually have a concrete figure for, and second, his former position implies (to me, at least) certain things about how strong he is in relation to other characters.

Haha, this is going to be great, I can tell. Please note that Lucci only got 3 hits on gear 2 Luffy the entire time they fought. The only reason there was tension in that fight at all was that G2 ran out around the time he tried to drown everyone and that Luffy using G3 got him so hurt that it evened out the fight later. So yeah, Luffy could wreck Lucci extremely easily now that Gear 2 is what he uses on fodders. Lucci isn't shit, and wouldn't make Vice Admiral in the marines (this is especially obvious when you look at VA Dalmatian who is pretty much Lucci+Haki).

>After all, there's only one CP9 in the world, and Lucci is the strongest member. That could conceivably mean he could be sent on assignments in the New World.

Nope. There is 0 manga evidence that CP9 operates in the New World at all. None whatsoever. In fact, There is concrete evidence that the New World is ruled by pirates, and the marines and world government generally don't have a large presence there at all. Hell, just look at the G5 marines to see how much structure there is in the New World.

>If so, there's not much use in an assassin who can be punk'd by the average Joes over there, so it's quite likely Lucci is stronger than an average New World captain, if not by much. And Luffy beat him.

And here we have a shining example of why you should wipe your head of fanfiction. Your previous incorrect assumption is leading you to more and more incorrect assumptions.

>Therefore, Luffy may ALREADY have been New World-ready at Enies Lobby. Though, this is just me making assumptions again... If we're to accept that Kid was New World-ready back then but Luffy wasn't... I'm not sure what that means.

Of course Luffy was New World ready at Enies Lobby. Buggy was New World ready before East Blue. It was never about getting through the New World, it was about getting through the New World AND protecting his crew. Luffy realized that he wasn't strong enough, so he decided to slow down instead of risking them getting maimed or killed. Kidd didn't slow down, and that's why he doesn't have 2 arms anymore.

>>24732
The most sensible argument I've heard as to why Kid was "New World-ready" and Luffy wasn't is that Kid, given his personality, is in all likelihood NOT going for a "no-death run," so to speak, of the New World.

Anyway, sorry about all this, I just like to argue!

For a change of topic, because I think we're all getting bored of this...

...to those of you who were around back then, what side of the Franky vs. Paulie debate were you on? I regrettably came into the series at the tail end of it, so I didn't have time to form an opinion myself.

>>24698
>>24700
Who the hell said Gold Lion was on par with Roger on a personal level? I always figured the fact that his fleet was comparitively huge said something. The might have been simliar, but that was on a grander level looking at their overall crews... Gold Lion was conventionally powerful due to size and tactics but Roger had a ship full of guys who could each on their own take out your ship.

All it took was some bad weather and when Roger Fought Shiki, he ended up with a GODDAMN WHEEL IN HIS HEAD.

So talking about how Shiki was on Par with Roger is a bit ridiculous, even by DBZ standards we shouldn't use in the first place. Nowhere did we see them slug it out as equals. And the bits of the fight we did see suggests that that huge number of ships was brought against Roger for a reason... that was how many his "equal" thought he was gonna need, and it turns out IT WASN'T ENOUGH.

Also>>24728
People should remember that CP9 is assaination and infiltraition. They aren't brawlers. They operate undercover for years. They are spies. Are they scary? Sure. But they aren't scary because they will tear through an army to get to you, you'll have your army out and in the morning they will find you dead in your bed. They arent the team you send in when you need muscle, they are the team you send in when you need nobody to know you sent anybody. The fact that they had a powerhouse was nice for them, but that wasn't and was never the point of them.

>>24690
I'm gonna go find me some hardcore, wet, nasty Billy x Carue porn now.

Do you have to be a pirate captain or just a pirate in general for the World Government to offer you a post as a Shichibukai? Because I always got that 'lone wolf' vibe from Mihawk.

>>24803
There's nothing that says you need to be a pirate captain, just a pirate with the kind of rep that gets you a massive bounty and that the world government thinks they need you.

Mihawk sails about no doubt causing a certain amount of hell on his way to becoming the strongest swordsman, its possible he could have sailed with others at times.

>>24803
>>24804
Now that I think about it...how does this sound: Mihawk was once the "Zoro" of a crew, but got kicked out by his captain for accepting an invitation to become a Shichibukai.

That'd make for an interesting back story.

>>24808
Mihawk doesn't sound like he takes orders from anybody. Granted, usually neither does Zoro, but he doesn't seem like the type to have ever had a crew. He accomplished his solo dream, and now he just hangs about doing whatever he wants.

>>24809
He's also a lot older than Zoro.

Who is to say that in his late teens, early twenties, Mihawk wasn't alot different than he is now?

If Crocodile and Moriah could start off like Luffy, idealistic dreamers wanting to be pirate king, why can't Mihawk have started as a guy who just wanted to help his buddy (ie captain) win fame and fortune before they had a falling out?

>>24810
Well, sure, nothing says it couldn't have happened like that, but it's still much more likely that he went it alone, considering his behavior and the whole solitary vampire motif.

I found this one fucking hilarious

>>24833
I-I can't breathe. Lmao

>>24833
>Bobby
>not Cotton

I can't be the only one who thinks he would be a better fit

>>24833
that's basically the best thing ever

So who do you guys think'll be the Final Boss of One Piece?
Blackbeard?
Akainu?
Doflamingo?
Shanks?
Dragon?
Someone yet to be seen?

>>24868
I'm guessing on Blackbeard. Him and his crew is like Luffy's evil counterpart.

Does this board have a discussion thread on the episodes, or is that not allowed or something? Wondering why I haven't seen one since I came here.

>>24870
>Does this board have a discussion thread on the episodes, or is that not allowed or something? Wondering why I haven't seen one since I came here.
I'm pretty sure it's allowed, it's just that most of us seem to prefer the manga.

>>24868
Blackbeard is the safe bet, but a part of me wants it to be Akainu. He killed Ace, that gives he and Luffy a personal grudge.

Yes, Teach was the guy who beat Ace initially and sent him to Impel Down instigating the whole thing, but to rationalize it, it was just business. There was nothing personal to it, it was a step on his way to supplant Whitebeard as a proverbial "king of the world". He doesn't have any specific beef with Luffy, and while Luffy is probably pissed with the guy, he should have ten times the score to settle with Akainu.

Doflamingo seems like he'll just be the same as Crocodile or Moriah. Luffy will come across him in whatever shit he's doing, he'll either piss Luffy off or he'll threaten someone who is Luffy's pal, and Luffy will be obligated to fuck him up. Oh, it'll probably be a great arc, but not final battle great.

Shanks is Luffy's friend. I don't see how anyone can see him as end boss material.

Dragon...more data required. If he's an enemy at all, I can see it being a scenario like with Franky. They'll duke it out, but then they'll have a common enemy and cooperate with each other.

WILD CARD: The Gorosei are all super awesome badass fighters in suits, and they are the final boss(es). Battle takes place in the ruins of Mariejois or aboard one of the ancient weapons (assuming any of them are a war machine or ship of some kind. Shirohoshi kind of put a wrench in the works with the theory that they're actual WMDs)

>>24878
He captured Ace AND is a rival in being the pirate king, if he reaches endboss-tier he will be the greatest rival.

dohohohoho

>>24881
What the...

>>24881
Its probably a reference, but its happily lost on me. Lame edit.

>>24868
Its gonna be Colby.

>>24889
At first I thought that would be lame.

But then I thought... with the speed Coby is developing a grand finale between former friends, the newly crowned pirate king and an ambitious marine member, holy flying shit that could be a fantastic final fight.

I'm tempted to download some of my favorite fights and make an AMV to this song.

Pain - Fight

I don't think the elder stars are bastards. Hell, while I think blackbeard fills the 'ambitious evil' role, the WG fills the 'villain with a reason' role. Theres going to be a conflict of philosophies in the end, not a black and white battle.

My evidence? The gouresai were legitimately upset they had to destroy Ohara. When Prof. Clover was shot, the uncle moneybags looking star had his hand on his forehead, like he was filled with regret over the whole debacle.

It's not a power thing, I think they want to protect the people from something. Something in the past, something on raftel. Thats why Raleigh said the strawhats might not understand the truth if they were told now. It's more complicated than it seems.

Oh shit time for some fucking spoilers.
I am honestly a bit sad that I'm the first person to talk about this. Does everyone just not care? Anyways info blatantly and apologetically stolen from all over the place but mostly raftel forums:

One Piece Ten
http://onepiece-ten.com/

Some sort of OP exhibition. Due to shenanigans a bit of info was wrangled out of it early.

Ace's former bounty is confirmed at 550,000,000.
Buggy's bounty is confirmed as Case Closed. Looking at this pic, the only Case Closed bounties belong to warlords.
Oda totally has a notebook titled Wano Country on his desk.

Also, some official spellings and a few (in)conveniently covered bounty posters.

>implyingimplications.jpeg

Also some sketch of some movie character, whatever.

>>24917
>Bon Clay

I wonder if there's significance to the fact that his poster is there, considering that all the other's are characters that are either Warlords or still at large...I guess he did esacpe Impel Down after the Blackbeard pirates fucked up Magellan?

I also find it interesting that Doc Q and Bepo have posters there...I wonder if they're going to be especially important...

>>24919

His poster says "Captured," dude. Could be worse though: since Ace's poster says "Deceased," Bon Clay(Kurei) is at least confirmed to be alive!

>>24920
>implying I can't read

Could be just there to throw us off.

I know, most likely I'm reading to much into things, but it just feels like they might be trying to imply something with that

>>24921

I think trying to find a hidden meaning in the subtext of a leaked picture of a non-manga source is going a step too far, yes.

>>24922
No, going a step to far would be vehemently believing that without a shadow of a doubt that this was confirmation that Bon Clay was both alive and free and sailing the New World

I'M just saiyan that I find it interesting that his poster is featured amongst a bunch of guys that we know for a fact are still potential players in the game. I realize now that my last bit of spoiler text does give the implication that I took it as confirmation that Clay was loose, my bad. I didn't intend it that way

That said guys, Bon Clay's "Sacrifice" wasn't given enough prominence to have ever made me think he was dead anyway. It's no longer true that "No one dies in One Piece (except in Flashbacks)," but no one dies without a lot of fanfare at least.

Closer look at "Z" from the new movie.

>>25007
Front

>>25007
>>25008
.. who? If this is going to be the new movie's main villain, I'll be slightly disappoint.

>>24917
Where's Buggy's? I have no doubt he's a Warlord, but I don't see it there.

>>25011

It is. Too bad.

I don't have much hope for the movie anyway. They're overhyping it as it is.

You guys sure are cynical.

>>25013
He looks very .. stereotypical shounen villain. Not something we saw with Shiki or all One Piece in general. There's also the fact he's apparently gonna be "THE MOST DANGEROUS AND POWERFUL ENEMY EVER OMG OMG." Meh. Not gonna hold my breath for this movie, either.

>>25013
>>25011
>>25017

That's literally how every shonen movie works, ever. I'm obviously excited for the movie. Strong World was a nice change of pace and was set apart from the previous movies. It had Oda's delicious flair to it because he was much more involved.

>>25007
>>25008

he's like Morgan with a gun

>>24917
Is Crocodile's bounty still the same? I can't really tell.

>>25022
Looks like it's gone up a bit.

>>25021

My thoughts exactly.

>>24918

I figured out what those two statues on his desk are in the upper right hand corner. Franky and Sanji's animal counterparts from the color page a while back. You can make out a ram using diable jamble.

One Piece
Thank you, GeneralIvan, for finding this...

>>25032
Dude needs to work on his faces, but pretty neat otherwise.

>>25033

I thought so too, his coloring is phenomenal as well as his attention to detail. Kind of a blend between Toriyama's style along with Oda's.

>>25034
>>25033
>>25032
I really like it. It feels like a title page image, though he colored Franky's Forearms wrong.

>>25032
I hate to be a nitpicky little douche; but the artist literally didn't draw any one else from their Timeskip appearances with the exception of Franky, and he didn't even color him right. Overall I really do like this piece, but it feels like more like a commission than a labor of love.

>>25032
>>25043
>draw them all in their pre-timeskip designs
>except for the one with the worst post timeskip design

...but at least he stuck Pandaman in there. I lol'd

>>25048
Fuck your shit.
It took some time getting used to but TS Franky is an AWESOME design.

The worst redesigns are probably either Zoro's, Chopper's, or Robin's. Though I still do like the designs anyway.

>>25050
Robin's wasn't very good, but she also changed before they left Fishman Island so it really doesn't matter.

I liked Robin's timeskip look. I had been wanting to see her in a skirt for a while -- she seems like a skirt lady -- though not so big on the pink.

Chopper is by far the worst change. He had already started looking like a talking lollipop with each desu step before the skip. Making his hat round doesn't help. I miss old Chopper look.

...say, I wonder how long Mihawk's been the greatest swordsman? I'd lol if it just turns out to be something like "since Shanks lost his arm" or "since Shiliew was locked up."

>>25054
Still doesn't change the fact that she looks exactly like Hancock(albeit with more wavy hair) without the shades now.

>>25055
The reason why I dislike Chopper's new design is because it's effectively just Chopper ACCESSORIZING a hat very special to him; if I had something special given to me I wouldn't try to doll it up with something else. I agree with the roundness making him cuter though.

I hate how greasy Robin's hair looks now.

And I wish she'd come back with SOME muscle tone. It's like Oda forgot that most of her attacks are physical.

>>25064
I don't mind so much, her double-teaming that fish guy looked awesome either way.
I guess being able to sprout multiple limbs and bodies from different surfaces helps alot more with your locks and submissions than bulky muscles as well?

>>25063
>Still doesn't change the fact that she looks exactly like Hancock(albeit with more wavy hair) without the shades now.

Oda's never been the best with his ladies, but lately it's gotten really bad. She does look like Hancock - with 80% of every other female having Nami's face, too. Those shots with Nami standing next to Caimi were gut-wrenching.

>>25065

I didn't say I wanted her to look like a big bulky muscleman, just a little tone so she didn't look so soft.

>>25066

At least he'd giving them different eyes and facial features, even if the shape of their faces is generally the same.

But you know what I think the girls need more than unique character designs?

Fights.

I sure hope the fact that Nami and Robin didn't get any at Fishman Island doesn't become a trend (okay, Robin sort of got one, but it was, per usual with her, a OHKO).

>>25069
Oda is still a shounen manga writer, he's still gonna shortchange the ladies somewhat.

>>25070
He's better at not doing that than, say, Kubo, though, which is why FI surprised me. Nami got fights in the climactic arcs of three out of the five sagas so far, with damn good reasons why she didn't in the other two (for East Blue, she was the rescue-ee, and for the Paramount War she simply wasn't there). Robin has only had one major fight so far, but it was in the only arc where she really COULD'VE gotten a fight at all. An interesting fact is, she was originally going to be rescues toward the BEGINNING of Enies Lobby and fight Kalifa, with Nami fighting Fukuro. As for other mangaka, I still say Rangiku and Momo getting punk'd by the chimera and having to be saved by big manly men was one of the most embarrassing things I've ever read in a manga. Add that to the fact that his strongest female character, Unohana, has yet to actually DO anything... I haven't read Naruto since the Pain arc, but I'm told Tsunade has spent most of the stuff I missed comatose. On the other hand, I'm also told that Mei is impressive.

FI wasn't really a very climatic arc. A revealing one plot-wise, but not focused too much on fighting.

They'll all get their fights down the road.

>>25072
It was a big fighting arc, though, with enough opponents for everyone.

I'm waiting for an arc where all the boys get incapacitated and/or taken out and have to be rescued by Nami and Robin. I still have hope Oda will do this.
Can you imagine how awesome it would be to have someone like Big Mom taken out by the girls? .. Highly unlikely because of the power difference, of course, but a nice thought nonetheless.

>>25073
Not enough for the usual tense 1v1 fights. It was either team-up or fighting the general minions, which they did easily. But that was the point. Just to show how strong they got after 2 years.

>>25074

One Piece is not feminist to any meaningful extent. Why do people not understand this? Just because it's not actively sexist doesn't mean you're going to have huge amounts of female empowerment.

>>25076
It IS very pro-trans-people, though, so that's something.

Also that new databook is insane. It's got CAPTAIN GORILLA'S BIRTHDAY. Sometimes I wonder if there's such thing as too much continuity porn..

>>25076
There's a very clear difference between feminism and character development. There was an arc entirely dedicated to saving Nami. There was an arc entirely dedicated to saving Robin. Why is them returning the favor suddenly about feminism? It's about friendship, bonds, and something new and exciting -- everything One Piece is about.

There's also the fact I can't even remember when the last time they got a serious fight was. I'm sure the howling 14-year-old boy fanbase won't blow their brains out over a little change. Just have them rescue the boys in their bras.. like always. Everyone is happy.

>>25078

>Why is them returning the favor suddenly about feminism?

Because Oda doesn't roll like that and you know it. Arlong and especially CP9 were not "the dudes save the girls," they were "the strawhats save their crewmate." And since then, those same crewmates have done their role to save the others again and again. And they will continue saving the others, AS A GROUP, like when Robin and Franky saved Nami, Chopper, and Usopp, who then saved Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji back in Thriller Bark. The only way I can see "Nami and Robin save the day" as an arc focus is if there was an extreme espionage/sneaky stuff focus and both Sanji and Brook were incapacitated. Even then Luffy would pop up to beat the arc boss, because protecting his crew by beating strong opponents is sorta kinda the entire focus of Luffy character's at the moment.

>Can you imagine how awesome it would be to have someone like Big Mom taken out by the girls?

No, but I can imagine how illogical it would be. Hint: every bit as illogical as Brook and Usopp teaming up to take down Blackbeard. Oh, and
>Even then Luffy would pop up to beat the arc boss, because protecting his crew by beating strong opponents is sorta kinda the entire focus of Luffy character's at the moment.

>There's also the fact I can't even remember when the last time they got a serious fight was.

Nami vs Kalifa, Enies Lobby
Robin vs Yama, Skypiea

What I mean is, could the fights be spread out more? Yeah, sure. It's just that Luffy and Zoro pretty much have to fight due to their roles in the story. Then, the fights trickle down to Sanji (strong) and Chopper (mascot), leaving everyone else wanting. That's part of the reason lady-supporting fans want an unambiguously physically powerful female character: they hope that her spot in the pecking order (around Sanji) won't leave her with just scraps like the others.

Actually now that I think about it everything would have been solved if Sanji got ladyfied by Iva, making him into a strong female lesbian trans character. That'd probably get the social justice crowd to shut up (also it would be hilarious).

>>25079
You're the type of person who keeps swallowing the same old bullshit as long as it's painted a different color, aren't you.

I'm fully aware of how Oda "rolls" and doesn't. I'm not an idiot; this is a shounen series that - despite breaking the mold somewhat - is still bound to the same overarching old cliches. That's fine and dandy, but nowhere in any of my previous posts did I say I wanted any sort of arc based on this specific scenario of Nami and Robin actually having the spotlight for a bit. Kalifa? Yama?! Are these seriously the examples you're using against me? How many arcs ago was this?

I repeat, all I proposed was some whimsical (yay One Piece) moment where the most unlikely of people would pull the group out of a problem. That's it. It doesn't even have to be a big deal -- they laugh about it and walk away. Not once did I say anything about them being on par with the momgawesometits monster trio!1 cant wait to see zoros new attack thats gonna be another flying sword slash dude so cool best thing bout once pexe

And for your information.. Usopp and Brook taking down Blackbeard would be equally as neat,Sir Faulty Reading Comprehension.

>>25083
>Not once did I say anything about them being on par with the momgawesometits monster trio!1 cant wait to see zoros new attack thats gonna be another flying sword slash dude so cool best thing bout once pexe

Yeah you're not mad at all.

The fact is that way back in Arlong Park Oda made it very clear that the crew had fighters and it had intel guys. The women just happen to be the intel guys. They wouldn't be in the New World if not for Nami. Hell, they'd probably still be in East Blue. Her role is support but it's VITAL support. Guys like Luffy and Zoro if you take away their role as fighter, it has to leave them out of the story. They don't have anything else they're capable of. And you can't really leave out the protagonist and the highest ranking fan favorite and expect their not to be consequences.

As far as Robin goes, I can't help but notice she has yet to have her "The 6th (7th?) Person" chapter yet. I can almost guarantee that's going to come with some character defining moment and probably a fight to go with it. And maybe it will ignore that her fighting style is based around one hit KOs and against all odds be visually interesting.

And in the mean time there's Fairy Tail. And no reason to get all up in arms about how the women are somehow being slighted. Your reaction is so strong that for a second I thought we were talking about Bleach.

>I repeat, all I proposed was some whimsical (yay One Piece) moment where the most unlikely of people would pull the group out of a problem.

I agree. Except that really the most unlikely people are more like...Chopper and Brook Not even Usopp anymore. Just because the Monster Trio is on top doesn't mean the women are on bottom. They're pretty squarely in the middle. And your proposal depends on how you define "problem" as "something that can only be beaten by punching".

There are many other hurdles that the female cast is better suited for handling. Like I said. Someone has to actually keep the ship from sinking.

>>25084
>Yeah you're not mad at all.

Stopped reading there. Cool back-and-forth, bro. 'till next time.

One Piece is one of the few series where the females aren't useless. The Strawhats would be dead or completely lost by now if it wasn't for Nami or Robin.

>>25083

>You're the type of person who keeps swallowing the same old bullshit as long as it's painted a different color, aren't you

Yes, I do enjoy One Piece. That's why I post here.

>That's fine and dandy, but nowhere in any of my previous posts did I say I wanted any sort of arc based on this specific scenario of Nami and Robin actually having the spotlight for a bit.

"I'm waiting for an arc where all the boys get incapacitated and/or taken out and have to be rescued by Nami and Robin. I still have hope Oda will do this."

If you don't mean an entire arc then you have TONS of moments where Nami and Robin save other people. I mean I can't remember too many specifics right now, but off the top of my head I remember that Luffy and Zoro specifically were saved from certain death by Robin (from Buster Call battleships and from Oars, respectively). Oh yeah, and... somebody... got saved by Nami when she lightningbolted Oars, too. Also, Robin saved Luffy's life twice before even joining. Oh, and Nami saved Usopp from getting killed by the Arlong pirates by stabbing through her own hand with a knife. I'm sure there are others. It's just that no real focus is placed on them specifically because everyone is ALWAYS rescuing each other from certain death.

>Kalifa? Yama?! Are these seriously the examples you're using against me? How many arcs ago was this?

Kalifa: 2 sagas ago, 10 arcs
Yama: 3 sagas ago, 13 arcs
Gap between Usopp vs Chuu and Usopp vs Perona: 4 sagas, 13 arcs
Gap between Usopp vs Chuu and a down and gritty fight that leaves his opponent physically incapacitated: 5 sagas, 20 arcs
Gap between Usopp vs Chuu and a down and gritty fight that leaves his opponent physically incapacitated, with more meaning and panel time than things like Galley-La and Franky Family vs Oimo and Kashi: Still waiting

It's really not as bad as you think. Well, it is, but it's not just a problem with the girls, specifically. They can still have a fight this saga anyway, since apparently Fishman Island and the part we're on now are all part of the New World saga.

>I repeat, all I proposed was some whimsical (yay One Piece) moment where the most unlikely of people would pull the group out of a problem.

Robin and Nami are the most unlikely? What? Since when? The most unlikely group has always been Nami/Usopp/Chopper (aka The Weakling Trio/Team Wuss), and they already did their thing back in Thriller Bark. Like I said, Robin is up there with Franky and Sanji in the "people that dashingly save the day" tier list, except she doesn't showboat and therefor stand out.

There was another half of the post here. It's gone now.

>>25085

Did you not realize it was someone else that post? That guy that jumped in isn't NEARLY as autismal about OP as I am.

>>25102
You appear to have forgotten the Mr. 4 pair fight (or were you not counting it since it was a double battle?).

Anyway, I was wondering if you guys could help me find the source of a particular statement. This statement was from an interview with Oda where he (allegedly) said that the Eleven Supernovae were his editor's idea, not his. I ever recall seeing a scan of this (alleged) interview. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

>>25173
Popular theory I've seen floating around is that he was indeed "persuaded" to make a batch of HIP AND COOL NEW CHARACTERS to bring OP back on top after a minor dip in popularity with the whole TB thing. It's also where the story of him making them in a matter of hours comes from.

>>25173

>You appear to have forgotten the Mr. 4 pair fight (or were you not counting it since it was a double battle?).

Yup. Otherwise you have to add stuff like Chopper and Robin vs Hogback and his 3 zombies, or Nami and Gan Fall vs Not Even I Can Remember Their Names, just to be fair. And once you start on that path, why not fights with bigger groups, like Robin, Franky, and Brook vs the spidermonkey and spidermice? It's a slippery slope, so isn't it best to just cut it off at 1 vs 1, minimal interference, strawhat victory, final destination? Bonus for people into this sort of thing: Jinbe gets no points for Sanji and Jinbe vs Wadatsumi this way.

>Supernova stuff

You will never find it. The origin of the supernovas is buried away in an personal interview, which Oda has even done with completely random things like fashion magazines. Even worse is that it happened during Strong World mania, when EVERYONE was asking about stuff.

Not sure where else I would paste this, but I need help.

I recently got a new computer and, while going back to places like Mangareader to look at chapters, the pages wouldn't load. They show up blank with a small little.. icon thing in the center.
I'm betting this is some plug-in or flash player I need to install again, but which one?

>>25193

Looks to me like the site is blocking US traffic for certain manga.
You can easily get around it by using a non-US proxy.

>>25194

HOW?

TEACH ME, GREAT MASTER. D:

>>25210

Well a zero effort way would be to go to http://anonymouse.me/ and stick the url in the url place and hope that you don't catch any malware. Maybe someone else knows a better one, I dunno.

By the way there is no chapter this week, just in case nobody mentioned it.

Also is mangareader still blocking traffic or is something going on on my end.

>>25217

God damn it why don't these translators let us know at the end of the chapter so I don't have to wait all week to be disappointed?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-04-05/one-piece-luffy-db-goku-top-fuji-tv-anime/tokusatsu-hero-poll

there's no Naruto or Bleach on that list, feels good man.

>>25223
>Spider-Man

FEELS EXTRA GOOD!

>>25224
I'm assuming they mean Toku Spider-Man rather than Peter Parker Spider-Man, right?

>>25225
ALL SPIDER-MEN ARE EQUAL IN MY EYES!

>>25226
>>25225
HELL YEAH MOTHERFUCKERS!

>>25223
>> 4) Kamen Rider 1

Makes my heart glad to see people haven't forgotten Justice.

>>25223
It's cool to see how different age groups voted.

>>25223

>Lupin the third in third place

Ugh, why must these random bit-part characters be so sexy? Notice she's not wearing a shirt under her jacket now, and is packing a whip. I'm beginning to wonder if Oda read THAT doujin and decided he liker her look in it...

>>25235

Domino was always sexy.

>>25235
can you link to "that doujin"?

>>25238
NO.

>>25223
>Snow White

Thats...just confusing. Not bad bad, just surprising.

>>25242
She's great.

Just making you all aware that this exists.

>>25245
>That feel when a toy of Timeskip!Franky will never stand up on it's own

>>25246

>>25245
is there any way to buy this in the states? I would kill for this

>>25245
Canon as a dick
Glorious Oda, glorious.

>>25245
>>25248
Whelp, I just found my new grail...

>>25245
TELL ME WHERE I CAN ACQUIRE SUCH A THING OF BEAUTY

oh yea BTW

Mihawk's VA is dead.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=956

what does this mean? Did Zorro actually kill Mihawk in the 2 year hiatus?

Well if Oda actually planned for him to do it and reveal it later it'd be a sad, sad coincidence...

>>25260
>what does this mean?
They'll... find someone else to voice him?

>>25260
>what does this mean? Did Zorro actually kill Mihawk in the 2 year hiatus?

Oh shit. This might just happen.

But then Zoro would have to duke it out with Shanks. Luffy wouldn't like that.

Would provide cool group dynamic though.

Guys, he hadn't been voicing Mihawk for a while. He had to retire after he'd had a stroke...sometime last year I think?

Regardless of that fact it's still sad.

So, do you think it'll ever be revealed what this thing is? It honestly reminds me of a very similar creature seen in the Lemony Snicket books, whose identity, in keeping with the series's theme of unsolvable mysteries, was NEVER conclusively revealed. Might Oda go the same route? Said creature in the Snicket books did end up (rather anticlimactically, IMO) eating a good slice of the supporting cast, incidentally...

>>25351

I don't think so, I think that Oda is just putting that there to say "The mystery of the florian triangle was more than just moria stealing ships"

>>25351
>>25352
Eh, I wouldn't count anything out in this series, but I'm not holding my breath.

>>25351
There are many elements from the Thriller Bark arc which were more than incidentally left open to explore in later arcs (Kuma and Zoro, Perona's whereabouts, Captain John's bracelet, Hogback and Absalom escaping unscathed). If you subscribe to the theory that Lola is related to Big Mom, then these things could be somehow tied to her. How likely that is? I don't know; I'll let you decide. The fact Lola ended up in Water 7 just fine kind of makes that whole mystery moot. However, us seeing Moriah again is almost guaranteed at this point.

>>25352
This is also a very nice point I hadn't thought about. Maybe because it's not like Oda at all to introduce ambiguous elements like that. If so, it's a nice touch on his part.

This time, on the new volume cover:

-Pink
-Pink
-Shirahoshi and Jinbe spitefully appearing one last time
-Smoker : Tashigi :: Eggman : Pekoms?

>>25405
It has important chapters that cover them.
How could that be considered spiteful?

>>25405
Not the best cover by a mile, but what can you expect when you are wedged between the end of an arc and a new one.

but looks like jinbe and luffy are posing to be in a buddy cop film.

>>25405
Why is his jinbe suddenly green?

So, am I the only one who would've preferred this fight scheme for Enies Lobby? Robin needs all the fights she can get, and Usopp would've presumably actually won his fight. Plus, it would've required Oda to be more creative with the powers (a sniper vs. a guy who can make doors?), and there's no real reason Luffy and Franky needed two fights.

In case you can't read it, it says:

Blueno vs. Usopp
Apollo (guy in the round hat, proto-Kumadori) vs. Chopper
Jyakiin (spikey hair guy, proto-Jabra) vs. Zoro
Kaku vs. Sanji
Fukuro vs. Nami
Kalifa vs. Robin
Lucci vs. Luffy

My guess is that Oda changed it because he felt Robin being rescued at the END of the arc would be more climactic, but I still like this scheme better.

>>25457
Huh. That's pretty neat. It'd pretty cool to see a fan comic that uses stuff like that to tell alternate takes on story lines.

>>25457
I honestly think they all should have just fought their initial opponents.

I would have been more interested to see how Sanji would beat Kalifa and still maintain his chivalrous integrity rather than "I SURRENDER TO DEATH"

and Usopp, arguably the weakest Strawhat during Enies Lobby, having to somehow use his wits to defeat the third strongest member of CP9? Yes please.

>>25475
Honestly, Sanji screwing Usopp out of his fight at Enies Lobby was the first of the two major times I've been disappointed with this manga.

The second time was Zoro screwing Brook out of HIS fight at Thriller Bark.

What both of these situations have in common is that they seemed, to me at least, to be taking the proverbial easy way out, and Oda limiting his own creativity. I'm sure Oda could write fantastic sniper vs. marial artist fight. And yet, he chose not to and I don't know why.

In other news, I'm pretty sure I've met a real-life believer in Dark Justice. I'm honestly kind of creeped out.

>>25477
Agreed on the screwing-out-of-fights part.
Sometimes Oda falls victim to trying to please his audiences too much, imo. All the babbies fling their jizz whenever Sanji or Zoro go into a fight and Oda knows this, in fact, he uses it to his advantage.
I'm all about Sanji's .. kicking, and Zoro's .. what? Slashing stuff repetitively? But seeing the other Strawhats in a tight spot is much more gratifying to me. Doesn't take as much brainpower to make a Zoro fight as opposed to someone like Usopp pre-timeskip or Chopper.

I don't know, i found it a way to introduce that idea of "you do what i can't do, i do want you can't do" idea Sanji brought up. Sanji couldn't save Robin from there but Ussop could. Ussop couldn't beat Jyabura in a reasonable time but Sanji could. Think how long it would have taken him to beat him and get to the top of the tower in time.

Say, speaking of CP9 and fights, what's the highest CP9 member you think each of the post-timeskip Straw Hats could defeat? I think the Monster Trio could all take Lucci now, Luffy doing so fairly easily (though that Six King Gun might still be a problem); Franky and Monster Point Chopper I think could both have a fairly intense fight with Kaku, and the rest could all probably at least take Blueno, and possibly Jabra through clever tactics.

>>25485
Are we assuming that CP9 did absolutely nothing for 2 years? Because that seems hard to believe.

>>25491

I assume we're assuming 2 years ago CP9 vs current strawhats.

Because otherwise this would be even more pointless than it is now.

>>25485

All of the Strawhats can take Lucci, and thus the rest of CP9.

Pre-timekip, they all lot to Pacifistas.

If Luffy < Pacifista, then Lucci < Pacifista.

Post-timeskip, they could all beat the Pacifitas.

Pre-timeskip Lucci < Pacifista < Strawhats

>Post-timeskip, they could all beat the Pacifitas.
All who? All the Strawhats? I think you're putting way too much faith on them. Aside from Luffy, Zoro and Sanji, I'd say the only other people who can take down a Pacifista would be Franky and maybe Brook. High maybe.

>>25499
>Aside from Luffy, Zoro and Sanji, I'd say the only other people who can take down a Pacifista would be Franky and maybe Brook. High maybe.

Didn't Zoro and Sanji have to double team a Pacifista?

Also, I know you stressed the maybe, but I don't buy Brook being able to beat one, even theoretically. I'd give Chopper the benefit of the doubt before I'd give it to Brook.

>>25500
>Didn't Zoro and Sanji have to double team a Pacifista?

To take it out instantaneously with one hit each. Doesn't mean they can't take one on by themselves with little effort.

This time, on not arguing about powerlevels general:

-Less pink than it seemed at first glance.
-Baffling paneling. There are square panels both in front of and behind Shira, and some of the dudes pop out of them too, I guess? Are the 3 non-panel dudes supposed to be sitting together? Because Shira's fin is right next to Luffy's foot. If they are, did she shrink or what? Nobody knows.
-Has there ever been a transparent One Piece logo? It looks nice.

>>25502
Last one wasn't too good, either, but this is one is easily one of the worst covers yet. Is there also a bit of Shirahoshi between Tashigi and Jinbe? And they put her hands right over Tamago's? It looks like she's trying to steal his cup or something.

Some leaked pics from the new volume.

Little enigmas: Hogback, Absalom, Cindry, and Perona (with the original Kumacy)
Also, young adult Kokoro.

>>25604
is...is that what's going to happen to Shirahoshi?

oh god I feel like Sanji in okama land

>>25604
Why did he do the Thriller Bark crew? Seems kinda random.

>>25608

He probably did it because someone asked to see them as kids.

That's kinda how SBS works.

>>24890
It's the destiny.

>>25604
WTF happened to Kokoro's face after she got together with Tom?

>>25638
Once you go cowfish fishman you never go back. To looking normal.

>>25638
She met lady liquor and got shit faced.
Permanently.

>>25638
She met lady liquor and got shit faced.
Permanently.

>>25638
Age.
Age happened.

Say, has anybody posted these 2 things? They're from that One Piece Ten thing.

>>25658

I'm really glad that there are authors like Oda, who can have so many good main characters. Pictured: 9 cool dudes, still relevant at least 4 years later.

>>25657
Seeing hopeful little Cindry there is shattering my poor heart.

>>25660
Remember, she did have some good years of fame and fortune before Hogback ruined it all.

>>25661
Choppermoralfag detected.

>>25661
Its not like he killed her.

>>25660
Even worse her appearance reminds me of Koala ;_;

Guys! Vote for Luffy! He's Losing! http://geek-news.mtv.com/2012/05/03/battle-arena-otaku-luffy-one-piece-rick-hunter-robotech-ultraman-voltron/

>The story of the Fishmen Pirates in the anime

I THOUGHT IT WOULD HAVE LESS IMPACT, I WAS WRONG, OH GOD I WAS WRONG!

>>25701

Have they gotten to Fishman KKK or is that on another flashback?

>>25702
I'm not there yet, but I think so.

>>25703
>>25702
No and yes.
Otohime just died. Next week should be her funeral and the end of the flashback.

http://terriblesting.tumblr.com/post/22258902540/this-is-an-awesome-blog

I saw this and I was like, what do you people want Queen Otohime?

And then I realized, yeah, pretty much.

>>25712
Looots of feminists coming out the woodwork in Tumblr. May just be me, but everywhere I've been turning lately there's some sort of "feminist" post or hurr funny little quip.
Unless it's just some super duper hilarious meme no one's told me about.

>>25712
Everyone wants characters like Otohime. She's one of the best in the series.

Guess who's alive

>>25715
Sabo.

>>25715
Bon Clay

>>25713
Nah, Tumblr is just filled with Social Justice nerds.

>>25714
She really is.

>>25716
>>25717
Don't play with my One Piece Smokey, That's like playing with my emotions.

>>25717
Haha, oh wow. I was just joking!

>>25701
Good god, that was tear-jerking.

He has a coat made out of tongues.

>>25768

So, fight predictions for this arc?

Mine:

Luffy vs. Law (fairly obvious)
Chopper-in-Sanji vs. Clown (revenge for the kids)
Zoro and Sanji-in-Nami (possibly assisted by Brook) vs. the Yeti Cool Brothers
Robin vs. Monet (obligatory catfight given that the only other girl is currently occupied by someone who doesn't hit women, and Robin is the best against fliers anyway)

Franky-in-Chopper and Nami-in-Franky sit this arc out, but Oda will probably work in some way of having them (hilariously) use each other's skills.

>>25781
Guess Usopp will just head back to the ship and go to sleep.

>>25781
I don't think Law's going to end up being a bad guy here. He's not really involved with the shitty things Caesar Clown does. Aside from that... I really don't know who's gonna do what. I'm excitedly unsure of what will happen.

I sincerely doubt the switched straw hats will be having serious fights until they get switched back.

>>25784
I think the opposite, due to humor potential.

>>25785
seconded I want to see Franky try to fight with Chopper's body

>>25786

And Nami could fuck shit up with Franky's lasers.

>>25786
>>25787
Sanji reveals learning the destructive potential of high heels on Newkama island.

That's right. Sanji was on Newkama island...and he's a woman now...ah...

>>25785
Which is why I said "serious".

>>25783
I'd like Law to be taken down this arc, because fact is, he's a loose end, and now that we're in the New World I think Oda's first priority should be tying up as many of those as possible.

>>25787
Her heart has to stop first!

>>26251

I don't want it

Take it back

Chopper wasn't meant to look that realistic.

Robin would disapprove.

>>26251
Where is this from?

Ah, now that I've stopped crying uncontrollably I think I understand what's weird about it

It's a shame that people don't seem to get that the uncanny valley is a real thing that actually exists

With a bit of work it'd be pretty neat, though

Protip:
Fur effects are not always needed.
You can get a better effect by texturing your surface.

>>26256
Fur only needs to be there if it needs to move.

>>26257
That really depends on the amount of fur really.

>>26256
That monkey has nicer hair than I do.

He guys, I don't speak runes. What's this for and what does it say?

>>26290

Pardon me, but I'm not too big a fan of literal translations. Here I go:

PEOPLE FUCKING LOVE ONE PIECE: The survey
We took a poll in japan asking people what manga they love and it turns out that people fucking love One Piece (even chicks).
Category 1 (People born from 1992 to 2001): Everyone fucking loves One Piece
Category 2 (People born from 1982 to 1991): Everyone fucking loves One Piece
Category 3 (People born from 1972 to 1981): Everyone fucking loves One Piece

The yellow/green lists are overall for that age group, and under them it's the rankings for boys (blue) and girls (pink).

>>26290
Huh, Gintama polls better among girls than it does guys. That's a little surprising.

>>26295
Not really, to be quite honest. There's a reason why every second piece of fanart is of Gin and Hijikata.

>>26290
Gash Bell? Awesome!

>>26290
Oh so that's why Togashi can take a hiatus whenever the hell he wants. Here I thought it was because of his wife.

>>26295
It's one of the gayest series in existence.

>>26324

Tiki pls. It's got nothing on Toriko.

Heck, Gintama's not even that homo to begin with. Or do I just need to watch the anime?

>>26329

I don't think Toriko counts in the same way, since even the bishiest dude is giant and burly.

>>26330
As someone who keeps an eye on Toriko fanart, I just want to say no, that only means it attracts the burly dude fetishists, which there are a significant amount.

>>26330

>Implying being muscular lessens the homo. At all.

I mainly know about Toriko from bara porn stuff. Good stuff.

>>26330
>>26334
>>26336
I don't know what you guys are talking about, Toriko is straight as an arrow.

The only 'major' female character I remember around his age is a horribly written useless stalker, so not big surprise

>>26334
>>26339

No see, it's like regular lesbians vs fat lesbians. In the end it's just as gay, except that the market for fat lesbians is much smaller. Get what I'm saying? If it doesn't have bishis then its appeal in the overall yaoi fangirl market is limited to certain subgroups

^Possibly the weirdest thing I've posted on /op/

>>26330

>>26342

This guy knows what's up. Only replace the fat salarymen with Cho Aniki.

>>26340
Toriko's gayness is less "there are no women around" and more "Komatsu is filling in for the usual role of the token female character in shonen with hilariously homoerotic results."

>>26345
Most evident when Zebra showed up.

>>26346
The burliest love triangle.

>>26347

Don't forget how Coco and Sunny are in on it too.

>>26348
What are you talking about, that time Sunny tried to romance Komatsu away from Toriko with a hot date was the pinnacle of heterosexuality.

I think you guys forgot that this is the one piece board for a sec because all I'm picturing is a romantic candlelit date between a boy and a boat.

>>26350
Well, we've already had an official crossover once, it could happen.

>>26350
Toriko is One Piece related.

>>26353
That crossever was one piece related. Theres a thread on /jam/.

>>26354
There is also the anime crossover.

>>26355
Then lets talk about the crossover. Anything toiko specIfic should be dIscussed in its thread.

>>26356
The ending was super gross.

>>26356

SunnyxSunny OTP

>>26367
FrankyXSunny
"AOW! SUPER! OH YEAH! AOW!"
Just that for like twenty minutes while he humps the steering wheel.

>Looks up Franky and Usopp together on Pixiv.
>No pairing art.
>Pixiv I'M DISAPPOINTED IN YOU.

Apparently there's FrankyxSanji art though.

?????????

>>26369
>No FrankyxUsopp art
That is disappointing.
I like to call FrankyxUsopp "Inventorship", since they are always coming up with crazy-awesome shit (Usopp and all of his "stars" and hand-held weapons, Franky and all of his different kinds of ships).

>>26370

I like to call FrankyxUsopp "fucking stupid" because it involves one or more One Piece characters.

>>26371
oh dear god don't provoke the fangirls

>>26369
Lucky you I saved this thing long time ago.
Made me chuckle, that's all.

>>26372
We haven't brought in Law, Killer or Kid yet.

Badum tsh!

>>26371
>one or more
>one

They can't even masturbate? Have a heart man

>>26377

Wanna read my LuffyxJohn Egbert crossover yaoi fapfic. Trigger warnings: blood, death, alcohol, gore, advanced rape, genital mutilation, selfcest, (spoiler: John is Luffy from another universe)

Guaranteed the kawaiiest thing you have ever read, or your money back

>>26378

Well I can't say I'm not curious.

>>26378
ADVANCED rape, really. Not just the basic course. There's all kinds of trick shots and specialized shit in here?

>>26378

Sure. Lay it on us.