Marine Ace makes me tingle in funny places.

>Implying Marines wouldn't give him a proper tattoo.

>>21835
What do you mean proper?

Also it occurs to me that we had these threads already, but Zoro and Nami, at least, could work as marines. If Zoro were a high enough ranking marine he could call up Mihawk for duels every weekend.

>>21836
No X slashed S.

>>21837
you do know thats on purpose right?

Come to think of it, without his pirate worship Luffy's scar doesn't make much sense, does it?

>>21831

You know, what if Ace and Luffy had become marines?

>>21839

Unless something different happened right after he got it.

Notice the lack of straw hat.

Ace probably wouldn't have that tattoo if they became Marines. Hell, he probably never would have met Sabo. Luffy's scar could be explained away as just a coincedence, though, sort of a multiversal trait that somewhere down the line, Luffy fucked up his face.

That said, do you think the Marines would be okay with Ace in the Marines if they knew about his lineage? I mean, I know they were all gung ho about purging the bloodline in the original story, emphasized even more when he himself became a notorious pirate, but if Garp had basically worked out the issue, they might be more accepting. Or would it be all hush-hush, like before?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-11-09/japanese-comic-ranking-october-31-november-6

and then there's this. you will never guess who is at the top of the charts yet again.

>>21850
>1,000,000+ copies more than #2

Holy balls, Oda.

>>21850
Jesus, he's selling more than the rest of the Top 10 COMBINED.

>>21850
>>21853
>>21855

Bet he never thought his stories about farting skeletons and rubber teenagers would be THAT popular.

>>21850
Two more things about that.

One Piece is on the list twice if I'm reading it right.

Also Bleach is nowhere to be found. I dunno, something about that... Just feels right, y'know?

>>21857

>One Piece is on the list twice if I'm reading it right.
Yes, because One Piece is such a monster that even reprints of 3 month old volumes sell more per week than entire other series. It's actually a bit silly.

>Also Bleach is nowhere to be found.
Bleach isn't on there because the last volume was released a month ago. Most non-One Piece series only end up on the list the first week they come out (note that for most of them the weekly sales are the same as the total sales). My condolences.

>>21857

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-10-12/japanese-comic-ranking-october-3-9

An example, and further condolences.

Why so dead, Bleach?

Oh, yeah.. cause you suck.

>>21864

Reading is hard when you have to defend your waifu One Piece from the only other 2 manga that exist, who want to soil her freedom.

must... eat...

>>21866
Who want to soil her freedom but can't. No disrespect to anyone who may like Naruto and/or Bleach .. but I could not be any less concerned with any sort of "threat" from their side. I don't honestly think Bleach will last another 2 years without crashing hard, and .. what's going with Naruto, again? Sasuke or .. something? That whole series is a massive gray spot for me.

Anyone who tries to besmirch Lady One Piece gets the cold, hard fact that it's been, and continues to be, the best selling of the three thrown at their face.

>>21878

One Piece is always in its own class, so comparing it to anything else is always a bit unfair. Naruto and Bleach sold 700k and 400k respectively, where 100k is good and 300k is great. If they don't matter, why did you bring Bleach up? Well, at least you can be happy that they're selling less than they used to.

>Who want to soil her freedom but can't.
que

>No disrespect to anyone who may like Naruto and/or Bleach
traitor

>>21878

Have you ever had the feeling that all the other anon posts are the same guy. Likes its just you and another dude in a cycle that is both vicious and also kinda dumb.

>>21881

Yep. It's sad.

I was watching some old anime stuff and Luffy looks really weird without his sleeves and sash. Hell, most of them look a bit off. I didn't realize I had gotten used to the new designs so quickly.

>>21883

As great as it is, the art was pretty bad in the beginning.

>>21884

I don't know, maybe it's the nostalgia but it looks really... classic?

>>21880
>traitor
Says the traitor standing up for those other two lesser.. leper series. If I'm being taken to the guillotines for my patriotism, I will drag you kicking and screaming.

Let them eat my blood-soaked cake.

>>21889

The ones at fault are the people that buy them, and the people that write them. Don't apologize to them! They must take responsibility for their mistakes. Manga is manga, it hasn't done anything wrong! It just exists. JUST EXISTING IS NOT A SIN DON!

>>21890
Their pathetic choices, and refusal to see the clear truth make them. I shall not stoop to lesser manga readers' levels.

>>21883
wierdest one for me was franky. Looking back I forgot he was so...skinny. Holy shit I got used to the new straw hats quickly.

>>21839
Sure it does. He stabbed himself to prove he was tough because he wanted to be a pirate, right? But look at who the scar mirrors. It mirrors Garp's.

In this universe, same deal. He scars himself because he wants to prove he's tough like his grandpa.

>>21933
.. wait, is that how it happened? Luffy's scar has always been a mystery to me. I missed this completely.

>>21935

They cut it out of the anime, but it's like the first page of the manga.

>>21935
It's the very first thing that happens in One Piece. Luffy stabs himself with a knife to prove how tough he is, so that Shanks will let him on his crew.

>>21936
Yeah, they cut it because they didn't want any kids to follow Luffy's example iirc.

Higher quality scan of the kiddynovas is out.

>>21938
Well, in their defense .. this is kinda disturbing.

Check out the news!
http://www.animevice.com/news/one-piece-manga-sells-over-2-million-in-three-days/5647/

>>22016

>There starts to come a time when a pattern keeps repeating that you stop being surprised or all that shocked.

Yup.

>Yet, there's one story that just keeps amazing me.

Nope.

Does anyone remember Dub Piece?

Whatever happened to that?

>>22091

Funimation just got the clear to dub season 4 and also just decided releasing the dvds in a fashion that is digestible for your wallet.

24 episodes for 20 dollars is completely worth it. The first theree volumes of this release are on my christmas list. I just don't know why it took so long to get a release for this series that isn't retarded.

I hate to sound like that guy but do they have original audio with subs along with the dub?I want to get more of my friend into it and they usually prefer the dub but I've watched so much with subs that I prefer the jap voices.

>>22093
Anime DVDs (at least in the US) have been supporting subs and dubs for over a decade now. Hell, they got that part right back when they were still charging $20 for 4 episode singles.

>>22094
cool I watch pretty much all of my stuff online so I don't know much about the dvd stuff. With that price its as good a time as any to start actually owning my favorite show.

>>22092
These make me wish I hadn't bought like 6 of those Voyage sets. But I guess I should be glad that I got tired of collecting them because these new ones look pretty spiffy.

>>22096
Yeah, I've only got two of the voyage sets, so I'm probably going to get these bigger collections for what I don't have yet.

>>22096
Luckily I only bought the first one. I tried to sell it on Kijiji with unsurprisingly no luck, so I sold it at a CD/games pawn shop along with four of those 5-episode Avatar DVDs for $10. First box set is on its way to me now.

>>22255

Sorry but nothing else you post will beat this one.

>>22250
...etc

Who made these and how can I express my love to them?

MOOOAR!
We need timeskip jolly rogers.

>>22257
>>22260
>>22261
http://zxcv11791.deviantart.com/

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2011/12/02/top-50-manga-bestsellers-of-2011/

>1. One Piece [37,996,373]

>2. Naruto [6,874,840]

>>22280
Naruto is still alive? That's the true shocker here.

>>22280
>One Piece sold more than six times as many copies as the second best selling manga of the year.

Okay, yeah, we all know that One Piece is the most popular manga in the world. But damn, y'all..

What's the point of even calling Bleach a Big 3 now. I mean, I get that Fairy Tail couldn't have knocked it out since it isn't published in shonen jump, but Toriko has been beating it for a while now and now Gintama and Bakuman too? Should we start calling it the Big 6 now so that Kubo doesn't come down with Hurt Feelings?

>>22286
Within 3 years, Bleach will be completely blown clean off the radar. I understand Naruto may have .. "street cred" for being one of the first and whatnot, but it's also heading downhill. Story-wise, that series is dead. Different titles are going to pop up and pop back down, but One Piece is looking to stay on the top.

>>22286
I assume that's tankobon sales, and the "Big Three" would be based more on the popularity polls in WSJ. There are a lot of series that do better in collections than they do in the weekly polls (or maybe even better than their magazine in general, for some of them), just like how there are a lot of comics that sell better in Trades than they do in floppies, so it's no surprise that the Three Most Popular Manga in Weekly Shonen Jump are not necessarily the Three Best Selling Manga in general.

This isn't defending Bleach's quality or claiming that its star isn't falling (I imagine the end of the Aizen arc was really bad for fan momentum), it's just pointing out that volume sales and magazine popularity polls are separate issues.

>>22300
IIRC Toriko's started edging it out there too.

Ooooh fuck man. I'm not a Bleach fan but that shit still isn't nice to see.

>>21850
WHOA
WHOA
WHOA
WHOA

Saint Young Men is still being produced!?

>>22300

Yeah, Toriko has pretty consistently been beating most things in the Shonen Jump Table of Contents (pretty much a weekly popularity poll). It's usually either 2nd or 3rd, switching places with Naruto (One Piece is pretty much always 1st, of course), while Bleach bounces between top 5 and bottom 5, but mostly meanders in mediocrity. In fact, this week Bleach was fourth from the bottom.

>>22308
Yeah. Just not being scanlated.

;_;

>>22309
That actually makes me happy. I've been really liking Toriko lately.

>>22311

You too?

>>22310
And it's doing well!

I enjoyed it at first but after awhile certain elements of the story turned me off of it.

>people seriously getting hooked on Toriko

>>22328

It's fun to read, doesn't take itself seriously, features adventures in neat locations, and has an art style completely different than today's bishifests.

Just like One Piece.

>>22328
Once you get used to everything being so incredibly over the top it regularly pierces the stratosphere, it's quite a fun read.

That Ace is too cute.

I've never looked at Ace like this before.

>>22347
Ace was always cute.

I refuse to believe that.

I need proof.

>>22356
Ace: a man with his priorities in order.

>>22356
Ace: Master of Disguise.

>>22356
Ace: neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom nor multiple instances of cannon fire will stay this courier from swift completion of his appointed round.

>>22356
In conclusion: always been adorable.

obligatory dead joke

>>22360
It's actually a lava cake.

>>22364
That's the joke.
That's why it's dead.
Like Ace.

>>22365
I knew I could count on you guys. (ゝ。∂)b

So I'm just now getting to Level 5.5 in the Impel Down arc... and there is no way in hell that 4kids would have been able to convert this to their "family friendly" One Piece.

I mean, One Piece is odd all around, but this is "queer" in both senses of the word, not just the one the show uses.

Really wish Hulu didn't skip ~150 episodes, though. Makes some things a bit hard to understand. Oh well.

>>22476
Why are you watching it on Hulu? There's other places that have all the episodes.
And 4Kids dealt with Mr. 2 in their own way.. They'd have made all of level 5.5 a silly, clown/ballerina hideout.

Something I just thought about here.

Why was it that, during Enies Lobby, Nico Robin's bounty only went up 1 million? I mean, she didn't play as large a role in the events as some of the other Strawhats totally, but hell, Nami got 16 Million just from beating one person, and Robin broke every bone in Spandam's body AND helped set into motion all of the shit the Strawhats did. Why only 1 million?

I mean, Chopper WAS lower, but that was because they thought he was a pet. There's no real getting around Nico Robin's involvement.

>>22637
Nico Robin's bounty only changed so they'd have an excuse to update her poster. It's not exactly easy to top the reputation she already has.

I don't know why, but I suddenly decided that I needed to find a certain picture.

<This guy, only more detailed, as an actual character. I've seen it somewhere, but I don't remember where. Does anyone have it?

>>22690

>>22691

>>22691
That chest is horrifying. They must be about five feet long.

I know this isn't related but I realized today I haven't ever seen a parody of the guevera black face on red background thing.

>>22694

Maybe you have seen them and just didn't realize they were parodies because you didn't look closely enough.

>>22695

oh sorry I was very tired when I typed that I meant i've never seen a parody of it WITH DRAGON

>>22694

Sorry looks like this is the only OP-related Che face I could find.

Hello, I'm here to bring terrible, soul crushing news from the depths of APforums! Check it:

First off, let me apologize to those of you who will be disappointed that this is not a new spoiler thread. Sorry, sucks to be you. With that out of the way, I'll get straight to the point and say that you should be able to expect Chapter 651 spoilers on or around Thursday, December 22nd. That's a few days from now, yes. Also, Chapter 651 should include a two-page color spread. I know, I was sad about that too. Is it possible 651 will come earlier? Yes, possible, but I wouldn't count on it.

For those of you who are new to this, or simply do not understand, JUMP releases two "double" issues back-to-back in December/January to cover the holidays. "Double" does not mean double the content, it means double the time you have to wait for a new issue, haha. But seriously, it does. What does this mean? This means that we shouldn't be getting Chapter 651 this week... but we are. Correction, we are. Because we are getting spoilers this week, super early, we will have to wait three weeks for Chapter 652. Is it possible 652 will come earlier than listed below? Most likely not, no.

So what's the predicted release scheduled for entitled spoiled brats on the internet? Behold:

This year:

January 10th, 2012 (Tuesday) Issue 6 - Chapter 652
December 22nd, 2011 (Thursday) Issue 4/5 - Chapter 651 w/ Color Spread
December 13th, 2011 (Tuesday) Issue 2/3 - Chapter 650
December 6th, 2011 (Tuesday) Issue 1 - Chapter 649

Last Year:

January 11th, 2011 (Tuesday) Issue 7
December 23rd, 2010 (Thursday) Issue 5/6
December 14th, 2010 (Tuesday) Issue 3/4
December 7th, 2010 (Tuesday) Issue 2

>>22743
Oh, that's not so bad. It's a time most people will be busy with other things anyhow.

>>22743
Watch it end in the most ball-busting cliffhanger you have ever witnessed. Usopp gets dramatically shot in the face by Jinbe who reveals he's not really Jinbe and begins to rip his mask off when ONE PIECE WILL BE TAKING A BREAK

>>22744
>ONE PIECE 36 HOURS LATER I WANTED IT TO BE
Picard says no!

>>21839
Luffy's scar is just one of those things that happen in every universe. It's like a focal point of sorts.

>>22743
>Also, Chapter 651 should include a two-page color spread. I know, I was sad about that too

What? Why would you be sad about that?

>>22754

Color spread means no From the Decks of the World cover story, which may more may not be Foxy next time.

>>22755

*may or may not

>>22755

Yeah but it means you get a two-page color spread, which are always awesome.

>>22761

Well it's like a double edged sword, except that one edge is made of gold and the other one is made of diamonds, and instead of getting hurt you get to keep one of the edges, but only one. You don't get to pick the edge.

>>22762
Hilarious.

>>22763

It's like a situation, outside of your control, with two mutually exclusive yet favorable outcomes, one of which you prefer. Happy now?

So the fate of the New Fishmen Pirates was both funny and fitting for that slick syndicate of sinister scaled psychos, but it made me sad, because it made me remember that Luffy isn't going to live that long!

We all know he's living a full life, but how many years of it does he have to enjoy it before the strain of his own techniques kills him?

This is a serious question, I cannot be the only one haunted by this conundrum.

>inb4 stop worrying and enjoy the ride.

>>22766
As far as I remember, his techniques don't actually shorten his lifespan as much as Gear 2nd just starves him (and that only happened back when he was first using it.) He can do the Gear 3rd without shrinking back, and that wasn't based on a real technique: I'm sure he can do 2nd now without killing himself in the process.

>>22767
>>22766
He asked Ivankov to basically revive him twice. His life is supposed to have been shortened a considerable deal.

>>22768
Oh right, I forgot about that. If Luffy doesn't end up getting himself killed, yeah he's not going a day above forty without Law, Chopper, Kureha and Ivankov all giving him the works.

Come to think of it....would living for a long time really be a good reward for Luffy completing the journey anyway? Chances are he's never going to settle down with a wife or anything, and once he's found One Piece what adventures is he going to have left to go on? It's not like he's going to want to tell other pirates how to live or be the king of the world if the World Government falls or anything. He barely even tells the Straw Hats what to do and he's their captain--he couldn't lead a population.

I think Luffy would feel like the best possible end for his life would be dying with a smile on his face, as a free man, and going out saving the lives of the people he cares about in the process.

>>22771
Outer space?

But yeah, you raise a valid, if grim, point.

>>22771
There's always more adventures to go on. Heck, they might just go around the world again with a different route.

>>22771
Luffy's life is a mirror image of Roger's. Roger died fairly young and, as we found out later, by his own choosing. He chose to get captured and killed; we don't know why yet.

It's not completely crazy to think One Piece will end with Luffy dying somehow after completing his goal. Of course it'll be with a smile on his face and by his own choosing. Oda would know how to even make this outcome a happy one.

>>22777
We knew why Roger turned himself in, he was already dying before he even got to Raftel.

>>22778
Yeah, but why was he dying? Sure, Oda could go with the "sudden illness" thing, but that's just not likely for the King of the Pirates. It links up to what we were talking about here with Luffy; in a way, he's dying too.
And we still don't know why he turned himself in to the Marines. Even if he was going to die, it doesn't explain why a freedom-loving weirdo like Roger would choose that fate.

I always wondered if Roger had the same disease Dr. Hiruluk had.

>>22779

Obviously Roger had the gomu gomu no mi as well and also came up with gear second.

And Luffy is just one of his many clones Rayleigh keeps in his secret vault.

>>22779
>Even if he was going to die, it doesn't explain why a freedom-loving weirdo like Roger would choose that fate.
I'd make a pretty heavy bet he was bargaining for amnesty for his crew. Though the Navy and World Government couldn't really be trusted to abide by any agreement of that sort that they made, anyway.

>>22779
Roger was dying from illness. He came down with an incurable disease (maybe the same that Brook's crew had?), and thus decided to sail around the world for one last grand adventure. When it was over, he disbanded everybody and just turned himself in.

>>22781

For some reason I always assumed that Hiruluk, Yorki, and Roger all came down with the same disease because they were all pirates operating in the Grand Line, and have a sort of vague prediction that Luffy will catch it too and be saved by Chopper's panacea. I guess that it's because Oda's fond of phrases with secret meanings, and "incurable disease" sounds like it could be one.

so no chapter this week then? I guess i'm not suprised but I wish we had a notice in the chapter

>>22786

How did you miss my enormous throbbing post?

>>22743

TLDR Chapter comes out tomorrow or Friday, then 3 week hiatus. There was no "One Piece will be on break next issue" because the magazine itself isn't printing, which means that technically One Piece itself isn't taking any breaks.

Finished the Impel Down arc not too long ago.

B...B-B-B-Bon-chan... ;-;

I haven't gotten further than their escape, here's hoping he's able to get out with the help of Blackbeard/the previous warden.

>>22847
Nope. He's gone.

MEANWHILE IN THE ANIME...

>>22848
Y U TAKE MY HOPE

>>22897

depends, why do you type like a fool?

>>22921
y u no understand meme

http://www.etsy.com/listing/85040781/skull-joker-chain-necklace-pendant

>>22932
Reddit is that way. -->
Don't forget to bring your funny.

>>22937
Awww, look. He's trying to save face.

Memes about altered typing/speaking styles are stupid wait I mean le stupid. I would like to think that One Piece fans, at least, are above them-dattebayo

>>22942
Welcome to internet culture. Lesson one: derailing a topic to nitpick the common vernacular of the medium because it doesn't suit your ~*delicate feelings*~ makes you look like a prick.

>>22947

I'm not even that guy. I'd rather look like a prick than an idiot, though. Oppressing undesirable fandom elements just shows that you care <3

>>22949

I mean imagine if people that post about CHECK THEM DUBS were hunted down and exterminated like animals, their carcasses left to rot in forums or reddit or the such. Wouldn't it be beautiful?

>>22949
Oh christ, you're one of those types, aren't you. The insecure fucks who think pointing out a spelling error in a comment actually counts as a counterargument. Game over, you're beyond all hope.

Sorry for asking... still haven't figured this out:

There won't be a chapter today, right?

>>22952

Of course not. There are intelligent and worthwhile posters who don't use capital letters, misspell a few words, and use very little punctuation. What they say doesn't suddenly become worthless, because what's important in the long run is the MEANING of the words, not their presentation. On the other hand, meme spouting idiots are never worth listening to. Why? Memes are only cardboard cutouts of thoughts, and spouting memes is only a cardboard cutout of conversation. When you replace your own thoughts with a funny picture you got from the internet, you reduce yourself to a trained parrot. This is bad. You should be smarter than a parrot.

The moral of the story: Be yourself, not an image macro.
Additional moral: Stop having a such a kneejerk reaction to everything godddamn. I'm pretty sure you're the same guy every time, too.

It occurs to me that Hodi and crew are essentially like the Shank Hill Butchers, just boys swept up in a fervor of prosecution and hatred and despite never experiencing those brutal crimes are willing to kill over it, just instead of Protestants and Catholics they are Fishmen and Humans, just like the Butchers they are willing to kill their own which defeats any real purpose to their actions and renders them just monsters produced by subjugation.

Sarah Jarosz ~Shankill Butchers~

>>22955

No, because today's chapter came out 2 days ago. No chapter next week, either.

Man I really think I should start watching the anime. I read too fast, and I keep losing information. It would be a good refresher at least.

>>22959
.. why don't you?
Any One Piece fan worth his salt reads the manga AND watches the anime. I do both as soon as they're released.

You disgust me.

>>22962
I thought real One Piece fans were dismissive of the anime.

>>22963

I am a real One Piece fan and I dislike the anime due to the radically shifting art quality and general pacing issues.

There are real One Piece fans that like the anime due to the quality voice acting and the music.

Just do whatever you want/have time for.

>>22964
"Real fans" on both sides? Just have fun? Not on my watch, you line-crossing Communist. Real fans of the series stick through it in the good times and bad. The anime does have radical shifts in art style and even pacing but it never stops being good. Unless it's some un-canon filler arc stuff So from where I stand now, you're not looking too real, pinko scumbag.

>>22963
You thought wrong.

Real fans of One Piece are too busy travelling the Grand Line to watch or read anything.

Only time I ever remember getting mad at the Anime is in episode 309 where Luffy is down against Lucci and Usopp is pep talking him and Usopp says "we can still see the sea!" and the camera pans to the water and they were TOO FUCKING LAZY TO ANIMATE WAVES.

So it's just a static shot of not moving water.

>>22967
Bottom right. Look at Shirley's right eye.

>>22968
Clearly she just has a lazy eye and hides it with her hair, right?

>>22968
That's actually not that bad, in comparison.

>>22971
I know. It's just something recent that caught my eye coincidentally while browsing this thread. It just seems like such a weird coloring mistake to make, though. Your mind has to really be wondering off somewhere else to color that blue.

>>22973

No, your mind has to be really wandering to draw 2 Zoros. Weird coloring is just general incompetence.

If we're talking about anime goofs then this one has to be my favorite.

It's not even a goof, I'm pretty sure one of the animators put it in as a prank.

>>22977
That's not a goof, it's Sanji's point of view on Zoro, he views him as "marimo-head."

That is supposed to be Zoro with Marimo as his hair.

>>22980
Huh, seriously?

Was that in the manga? I don't recall it.

>>22986
It was in the Manga and anime, as a matter of fact, that image is just slightly after Sanji calls him one in the anime.

>>22986
It wasn't in the manga.

I mean, Sanji calling Zoro marimo-head was, but the anime added the shot of Zoro with the marimofro for lulz.

I saw this posted in a battlestation thread, anyone know where I can get one of these? or do I have to make one?

>>23036
Yeah, you're gonna have to make that. And even in the slim chance that it isn't fan-made, you won't find it anywhere short of Japan. OP merch like that is hard to find.

>>23037

well, that's probably for the best, the people who'll get it will get it and the ones who don't will just think it's a mask.

>>23036
I'm pretty sure they were selling those at NY Comicon, but I thought they were pretty useless without a Usopp nose.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ec6_1187579158

spoilers for One Piece, featuring Garp, Aokiji, Luffy and Akainu.

double spoiler, Akainu is the printer

So when are we gonna get another popularity poll?

http://www.animevice.com/news/eiichiro-oda-returns-to-oversee-the-next-one-piece-film/5711/
Read all about it!
Question: If "Strong World" was movie number 10 and Oda is overseeing 12, then what was the 11th movie?

>>23248

There was a 3D movie

>>23248

Mugiwara Chase.

It was silly and Zoro cut sea stone.

Okay, there's one thing I've never been able to wrap my head around in Oda's story: The world.

We know it's round, and we know there's one solid "line" of red rock crossing it vertically. So.. like.. where exactly is Raftel? Where is the New World and Grand Line for that matter? And the "four Blues"? The Grand Line in apparently in front of the New World and separated by the Mariejois portion of rock.. so .. in theory, couldn't Luffy just back paddle from the East Blue to get to the New World? Not smart, but certainly faster than having gone through Laboon's side.

I dunno, I'm just having a hard time visualizing all of it. Anyone know of any fanmade charts/maps/models explaining this?

>>23508
It is confusing for me too. The only explanation I can see for why you would go through the Red Line to get to Raftel is that the Calm Belt blocks all entrance into the New World....but god now that I think of it the New World should technically be in the same chunk of water as where Luffy started his trip. Ah god this is making my brain hurt trying to understand this.

The only explanation I can come up with is the Red Line is not just a solid ring of land and sprouts out into different walls to separate the New World from the rest of the sea

>>23508
The Grand Line is the equator. The Red Line is the International Date Line. The New World is just the second half of the Grand Line, and just as inaccessible from the outside world as the rest. Raftel would be just West of Reverse Mountain.

Blech, I can't find the canon maps. This is how the world works.

Basically, the world is divided into hemispheres by both the Red Line and the Grand Line. They are sorta like the Equator and Prime Meridian if the Earth where a lot more slanted. The Paradise portion of the Grand Line borders East and South Blue, the New World portion borders West and North Blue. Luffy started his journey (the black line) near the Red Line (basically as far from the Grand Line as possible), crossed East Blue, went up Reverse Mountain, and then turned around and sailed back. Yes, that means he is currently closer to home than he was 530 chapters ago.

A lot of people get this part wrong, despite both in-story and supplementary maps. However, look at my other map, where Luffy's journey is red and Kreig's is orange. Krieg was forced to leave the Grand Line as soon as he entered. When he escaped through the Calm Belt, he ended up back in East Blue. If you cross that part of the Calm belt you reach East Blue, and the part of the Calm Belt that contains Amazon Lily and Impel Down you gets you to South Blue.

So, why can't you cheese the system by going down the "wrong" side of Reverse mountain, or the North/West Blue Calm Belts? The answer is a combination of:
A. The magnetic fields and Log Pose system, which means you have to be on the penultimate island to know how to get to Raftel, and you need to be on the island before that to get to the penultimate island, and...
B. The horrible and impossible New World weather, which prevents ships from sailing around all willy-nilly.
C. The terrifying Calm Belt sea kings that could destroy the world if they felt like it.
D. The similarly terrifying New World Pirates and Marines which are deeply entrenched in any remotely livable area.

Oh, here's the old East Blue Oda map.

And the world.

>>23512
there you go. Krieg made it across the calm belt though, but thats probably how he lost most of his armada. trapped between sea kings and mihawk. Thats tough. He could have made it far if he didn't have bad luck.

Man, is hawkeye was bored, what the fuck did he think he would find by harassing krieg? I mean, this is the world's greatest swordsman, he parades the new world like nothing. The fuck was he doing all the way back there?

Also, the one piece world has like, 6 fucking moons, one with another moon. Oda's done this for a reason, I know it.

Mihawk's little coffin raft is very small, easily overtaken by any current. He also likes napping, from what I remember his slumber was disturbed by the Krieg armada. He must have dozed off and just got carried to East Blue and there he decimated Don Krieg's dreams while adding to the badassery that is Roronoa Zoro.

But then again, Mihawk somehow followed them back to the baratie. So, my theory, haki oars.

>>23512
Well I kinda understand it a little bit better now, though this is easily the "Zelda timeline" of One Piece. This >>23514 map is good for figuring out where the Blues are; they're separated by a combination of Red Line and Calm Belt stretching out across the world. But there's still the matter of where Raftel and the New World are. How it's panned out, it would mean the New World is not only located in the same hemisphere as East Blue, but also right next to it. Literally right across that little coast where Fushia village is.

And.. wait.. no. Where would -- wouldn't they have been crossing another Blue right after they crossed Reverse Mountain?! Where is..

I'm about to grab an orange and some sharpies and learn this the heard way.

>>23518

Ok, calm down and breathe. It's actually easy. Check it.

>>23519

The red line is the Red Line (continent), by the way.

>>23518
The New World is just half of the Grand Line: the half on the other side.

>>23519

Hahahaha, I just realized that Arlong literally went all the way to the other side of the entire fucking world from where Jinbe and Kizaru hang out. What a brave and glorious leader.

>>23519
Okay, so.. hold on. I always thought Luffy CROSSED that Red Line. Why didn't he? Wouldn't he have gotten directly to Raftel? Why in the blue balls did he take it all the way to turn back? He could have easily just sailed south from where he started and gotten to about Water 7.

Also, is "Paradise" WITHIN the Calm Belt? I don't think that's right. This map has them sailing from Alabasta to Sabaody all through the Calm Belt.

>>23523
Disregard that. I just remember seeing some graph that specified the Calm Belt is two strips of water with a "normal" sea in the middle.

>>23523
>>23524

>>23524

>He could have easily just sailed south from where he started and gotten to about Water 7.

They tried to go through the Calm Belt but they were mugged by sea kings and only barely escaped. If you watch the anime you probably missed this because the scene from the manga was integrated into the Apis arc for some unfathomable reason.

Some facts for the record:

-The Grand Line is a long sea that goes around the entire world.
-The first half is called Paradise, the second half is called the New World.
-The two areas are mostly separated by the Red Line. The exception is the hole where Fishman Island is located.
-The Grand Line is sandwiched between two Calm Belts.
-The Calm Belts are home to the strongest Sea Kings, and have no wind or currents. This makes it extremely difficult to cross them without suffering severe losses unless you have a Seastone-lined ship or a Yuda for a pet.
-This means that yes, the Strawhats and all the other pirates are trapped in the Grand Line unless they find a way to escape through the Calm Belts.

>>23525
how the dick do other pirates get around laboon?

And while I suppose the WG could mount an expedition to climb reverse mountain and get to raftel, I suppose there are certain reasons you can't get to said island.

Yknow, since buggy and shanks were on rogers crew, would they know what is on raftel. Do they know what the one piece is?

Or were they not allowed on the island?

>>23527
Other pirates just, you know, sail around him. Laboon doesn't destroy every pirate crew he sees.

>>23526
I've been a fan of One Piece for a long, long time now.. and this is the first time I fully (or somewhat) understand how the geography is set up. I'm gonna cry.

>>23525

What I want to know is how travellers from East Blue get turned around at the top of the mountain to ride it back down into the Grand Line.

>-This means that yes, the Strawhats and all the other pirates are trapped in the Grand Line
Ha, never really thought about that. They really can't get back to their home Blues without chancing the Calm Belt can they?
>Yknow, since buggy and shanks were on rogers crew, would they know what is on raftel. Do they know what the one piece is?
Buggy I'm certain left the crew before they got to Raftel, I bet he chickened out at the prospect of going into the New World. Shanks is another story but it's likely as well.

You know I used to think Raftel would be impossible due to the Yonkou being stalemated around it, but now we've seen that Whitebeard was only interested in Family, Big Mom is only interested in Candy and Shanks seems mostly interested in the New Era/Generation of pirates. Maybe Kaido is going to be the odd one out but so far it seems like he's only interested in PvP.

Also, strange how Oda mostly leaves the Red Line out of his world building, we have no idea if it's a giant shelf all the way around, if it's inhospitable everywhere exactly the Holy Land or what the deal is.

>Get seastone lined ship
>Go to North/West Blue
>Ignore reverse mountain, go straight over belt towards Raftel
>Problem, Roger?

>>23538
>Oda reveals the reason no one does that is because the Calm Belt in the New World isn't just home to Sea Kings, but to Sea Antispirals.
>Problem Admirals?

>>23537
Buggy was with Roger for the New World. There's never been any talk of him deserting, and that final adventure was important.

>>23536
The currents from all the Blues converge at Reverse Mountain, strong enough to push a ship UP a mountain. They converge at the top, and then they all pour down into the Grand Line. It feels like a lot of this information isn't really that complex (it's pretty clearly explained in the book) as much as it's really easy to forget this stuff over the span of a decade.

>>23538
How would they find it without the right log pose?

>>23540

Well, yes, but look at how it happens. The ship flies up into the air after reaching the top, carried forward by its momentum presumably. It then lands right in the channel down the mountain and rides it down without any apparent reorientation.

>Theories on New World
>Remember that tomorrow the SH will finally be entering New World
Oh geez, starting to feel hyped.

>>23543
Den was the real villain and begins to destroy Fishman Island, forcing them to turn back and spend another twenty chapters there.

New volume colors!
Zeo isn't black and white, to the surprise of nobody with basic pattern recognition!

>>23564
Yet to the disappointment of those with eyes.

Oh hey, convenient new map evidence in this chapter! If Island Whales are native to both the New World and West Blue, and they can't fit through the hole in the Red Line that means the two seas are on the same side of the world.

>>23574

It's hard to be disappointed after original Kuma and Perona and Inazuma and...

>>23577
See >>23525
West Blue would be the bottom left corner; it's not far from where they are now.

And I have to say I'm a little disappointed that Oda went along with Toei's colors, too. Their coloring of the NFP are horrendous.

>>23577
Wait, what was Perona?

>>23577
Inazuma was beautiful, shut up

>>23590

Pink haired, wearing red with some black and white instead of blonde with just black and white.

>>23602
Not that I don't believe you, but when was that? I honestly can't remember her ever being blonde.

>>23603

It's probably hard to believe, but back then everyone thought she had either blonde or white hair. You can still find some old fanart and cosplay with her as a blond wearing all black and white.

You see, it would be too goody for her to be wearing anything else, what with her being a minion of a dude who totally had black hair and any-color-but-orange pants.

>>23602
Perona was never blonde, buddy. Sorry to burst your bubble. And Oda was the one who gave Inazuma the white and yellow colors.

.. I'd upload the volume covers but I'm getting this "failed to write file to disk" shit again.

>>23605

Yes yes, but none of you seem to get it. I'm not talking about colors changing, I'm talking about fan headcanons of their colors being wrong. Zeo has never been anything other than blue and... blue, for example.

>>23606
And that still doesn't excuse it from being a horrible color combination for him. Blue and blue? Are you honestly happy with that? There's been a sharp decline with Toei's choice of colors since the timeskip began. It stops being a matter of headcanons and starts being a problem with the quality. The colors (please look up Dosun) clash and just look terribly erratic for most of these new characters. I'm still trying very hard to accept Decken's.

>>23607

>Are you honestly happy with that?

No, but I'm so used to it that I no longer give a shit. You'll get used to it too, eventually, and eventually learn to overpower your disappointment with the unstoppable might of Being Right On The Internet.

>starts being a problem with the quality.

A problem? With the One Piece anime's quality? Like, no way brah.

If there's one thing I will criticize Oda for, it's occasional fucked up colors. Did he honestly think Kuma would be threatening as a big bad orange creamsicle?

>>23610
The problem here is that Oda once again went with whatever Toei did. And in this case they fucked up royally. In the past Toei has had no problem coloring main characters their way. In fact, they did it better than Oda at times (Orange Kuma). It's never been on the level of shit that it is now; like they just colored all the people of Fishman Island by throwing darts at a rainbow on the wall.

The thing that annoyed me about Inazuma is that Toei made his hair and coat different colors of orange, which screwed up the half-and-half design, which was the whole point of the design.

After looking at the cover more, 2 things bug me.
1. Luffy jumping out of Hodi's mouth and bursting through Fukaboshi's torso in order to punch me, the reader, while the NFP cheer him on.
2. Blue and orange.

>>23618

I think that the fact that the NFP+Decken didn't even get the cover to themselves like Baroque Works and CP9 shows that Oda doesn't really care too much about them.

>>23634

Oh shit I just realized that the blue (Arlong/Jinbe) and orange (Nami) contrast might have been intentional!
...
Maybe not.

>>23634
>Luffy jumping out of Hodi's mouth and bursting through Fukaboshi's torso in order to punch me, the reader, while the NFP cheer him on
9/10: Got me to choke on water.

But yeah, this cover is really weird. Not one of his best.

>>23638
I like the Hodi eyes of doom + Fukaboshi roar combo.

Before you ask, only info I have is "doujinDearMy_14"

>>23648
Oho, thats an old one.
Did someone ask for doujins, are you looking for the source of that page?

http://luffyxnami.livejournal.com/?tag=doujinshi
There's alot of links here... maybe that can be of help. It can just get a bit difficult when people make mistakes when labeling stuff.

>>23649
Yeah over AIM.

Bigger cover for 65!

Looks like Zeo is actually cyan and indigo.
Phew, sure dodged that bullet.

>>23772
Eh, close enough to my desired black and white.

>expect Zeo to be black and white or white and brown
>joke about Toei doing something ridiculous like making him blue or neon green
>mfw seeing the anime and volume cover

Little marines!
Is every important person a street urchin in the OP world or what.

>>23889
I love Kidzaru.

>>23889
Nice lead pipe there, Garp. That man must have led the most exciting life of all time. Aokiji looks so angry though! It totally doesn't fit him.

>>23892
I dunno man, there is a lot about his past we dunno, he always struck me as cold rather than apathetic. pardon the pun.

>>23889
>>23892
Garp clearly wanted Luffy (and Ace) to have the same kind of childhood as he had: rampaging through the wilderness beating animals into friendship and discovering treasure.

Why he thought this would turn them into Marines is a mystery. There's clearly more overlap with piracy there, than there is in the disciplined, regimented life of a military man.

>>23889
I thought for a second there that Akainu was dressed up like a pirate. Now THAT would be a twist.
Not sure what's going on with Kizaru..

>>23903
>Not sure what's going on with Kizaru..

Vegabond.

>>23889
What's Akainu's hat say?

>>23906
"Mr. 13 Inches."

>>23906

Hold on to your butt. Or don't.

It says "Justice." Just like what the marines wear on their jackets.

>>23913
Huh. Well, that certainly gives us some perspective on him.

The fact that Garp was also spending his childhood in the jungle raises two questions

1. Is this a common practice in the Monkey family? Fathers tossing sons into jungles?
and 2. What kind of fucking jungle did Dragon get tossed into to make him into a very serious and world-wise man.

this picture is unrelated I just wanted to post it.

>>24171
The jungle of illegitimate bastard sons.

And that picture.. Insta-save.

>>24171
I'm not surprised that monkey come from the jungle

>>24177
That joke is so terrible and at the same time I almost admire the audacity of it too much to hate you for it.

>>23889
no seriously, the fuck is up with kidzaru? Is he underwater? Dude looks like a sea monkey. Also, he appears to have been well off. As we've seen with the moria and kizaru, the influential members of the world are a mix of rich and poor in origin, not just street urchins.

And man, who knew that ugly little kid would grow up to be the tall and handsome aokiji?

>>24192
He's getting high off lamp fumes. That's what the smoke/bubbles are. The beginning of the end for his brain cells, I'm afraid.
And he doesn't look rich to me. His little table looks half-assed. I'm not saying he's poor, but definitely not rich.

>>24196
Yeah, something's up with one of the legs.

Can't tell what it is, though. Do we have cleaner scans yet?

>>24197

Yeah

It noticble how many of the biggest badasses in the world seem to have come from improvished backgrounds.

>>24201
When you face constant hardship you gotta get tough'er die.

>>24199
Kizaru looks poorer than I thought he was, considering the busted table and lamp.

>>24204
yeah, plus the sown on patch on his wierd hat.

On the other hand, he looks happy and studious. Probably a little better off than aokiji and akainu.

Or he could have always been a wierdo.

>>24221

I feel like Kizaru has always had an easy life, real easy.

>>24268
I think even if Kizaru had a shitty childhood, he would just kind of float along in his own orbit of take-it-easy throughout it anyway.

Something suddenly bugged me.

Back before Fishman Island, Caribou boarded the Sunny in order to attack the strawhats with a gatling gun, and seemed to assume it would work. When he realized that there was no gun he gave up immediately.

Later on when he fought Pekoms he revealed that he had a gatling gun hidden inside his body all along. So what? Was he just scared the first time because he didn't have his super rookie brother and crew of fodders to back him up? Did he somehow get a gun on Fishman Island?

>>24298
A possible mixture of all the available options. He's not stupid; he wasn't gonna fight all the real Strawhats by himself. Pekoms was some unknown weirdo who had supposedly stolen his loot, so he attacked without hesitation.

No posts for 2 entire days? Really?

How about this: A new One Piece databook is going to be released. There is a bit of info about it, but I'm not going to tell you. I'll just post this image, and see what you sleuth out yourselves. Gotta keep busy with no OP this week.

>>24313
Vivi! What are you doing there?

>>24313
This is a slowass board bro.

>>24313
>Vivi next to Jinbe
>people still not accepting that's his role

HUAHUEHUAHUE

>>24315

It's not usually THIS slow, though. Like, maybe you'll get 4 or 5 posts a day, and around 50 when the new chapter is out.

>>24318

Are you literally retarded? The only thing that the panel implies is that Vivi will be getting fisted through the chest by Akainu soon, to complete the set. Obviously.

>>24313
>look at image of Hancock and the relationship chart below her.
>notice some dude that makes Chopper go all sparkly-eyed.

Is that Vegapunk? And if so, what is his relationship to Hancock?! Is he actually related to her? Did he do experiments on her when she was a slave?

And if that's not Vegapunk, who the fuck would have a relationship with Hancock that would make Chopper have that reaction?!

>>24321
Dude that's Fisher Tiger.

>>24319
People have been becoming increasingly dickish to one another, might have driven some people away.

>>24321
Somebody skipped the Fishman Island Arc

>>24323
No, there's no one on here because there's nothing to do. No new chapter this week, so we're not gonna have much traffic, either.

>>24313
Is this that.. Color Blue Ocean or whatever book? Or a brand new color? Looks like we'll be getting names for more minor people.

>>24324

It's the new databook, One Piece Deep Blue. It's an updated version of One Piece Blue, and will mostly deal with characters.

Will there be a chapter this week?

Didn't hear about any skips.

>>24326

Like everyone just got done talking about, there is no chapter this week. You didn't hear about it because the new scanlation group didn't translate the little blurb on the END page, where the announcement always comes.

>>24327
Alright. Thank you.

One Piece: Kaizoku Musou - PV 02 (SD)

LOOKS LIKE I'M SAVIN' UP TO IMPORT!

>>24361
One Piece: Kaizoku Musou - Trailer 2 HD

YES MOST SUFFICIENT!

>In late December 2011, Namco Bandai filed a trademark in Europe for Pirate Warriors.[9] In early February 2012, the company also filed the Pirate Warriors trademark in the United States.[10]

Hmm. Of course, trademark claims like this don't always lead to releases, but it could be a good sign in favor of an official translation at some point.

>>24362
They've got Nami in slutwear instead of her early series togs >: (
Honestly now I liked her clothing at the start of the series, I don't mind her getting her tits out, but I liked the less revealing clothes as well.

Apart from that little thing excellent trailer, looking forward to this.

>>24362
Something about the way their mouths move when talking is eerie. Can't quite put my finger on it.

>>24365

That's always the case when they use 3D models for One Piece.

There's just something about it that's not right when it's anywhere but 2D.

>>24366
This is just opinion, but I feel like Oda's designs work a lot better still and in black and white than they do when someone tries to animate and color them. They have tons of motion and life even in the stills, so it's no big loss.

Even so, I think Pirate Musou looks pretty keen.

One Piece: Pirate Warriors Pro…

Yes.

Yes.

>>24368
Man, I want this game so bad. But ye gods--８１９０円 just for the regular edition? Plus probably at least $10 shipping to the US....that's a butt load of cash to drop.

>>24369
You think that's bad? I'm gonna have to buy a PS3 for this game.

Wait wait.

Did I convert that right?

A hundred dollars for this game?

>>24371

Lots of games in Japan cost that much.

forget the game!

when is someone going to upload that OST. That smooth jazz in drum is orgasmic.

Here's all the new names from the new databook.

*deep breath*

Scopper Gavin: Sunglasses-ed Jolly Roger Pirate, and probably Second Mate given the "copper." He's already picking up a fanbase over at Arlong Park.

Seagull: Spherical Jolly Roger Pirate, seen behind Crocus as the crew prepared to battle the Gold Lions.

Jobo: The drunk that gave Luffy's new bounty to Bellamy back in Jaya.

Vice Admiral Stainless: aka Vice Admiral Epicstache. Victim of Doflamingo and fighter in the Paramount War.

Vice Admiral Mozambia: The officer controlled by Doflamingo to strangle Stainless.

Vice Admiral Cancer: The third VA at the meeting, with the cool sunglasses.

Hakowan: Wapol's cyborg dog. Name roughly means "Box Bark."

Isa: Aisa's mother. May also be "Ether."

Gode the Wise: Enel's Mesopotamian-esque servant.

Warashi, Mayushika, Yotsubane: Shandians defeated by Ohm.

Moiru: Appeared in chapter 272; no idea who this is, probably a Skypiean. He looks beat up in his headshot.

Mochi: Little Skypiean boy.

Dr. Kuroshiru: The doctor Ace mistook for Teach in his coverstory.

Habu: A worried-looking woman from the Calgara flashback; other than that, I have no clue who she is.

Kyuji: Moda's father, from Ace's coverstory.

Koda: Moda's mother, from the same.

Captain Kibagaeru: The ex-captain of the Fanged Toads, now with the Foxies.

Ishigo Shitemana: The Water 7 resident the Straw Hats went to to exchange their Skypiean gold.

Dr. Kyukyu: Iceberg's caretaker after he was shot.

Yanao: The man who helped Usopp in Water 7; this is also the first instance I recall of Oda actually FORGETTING SOMETHING, as he'd named this guy something else in an SBS.

Judge Georgie: The guy who sentenced Tom.

Bushon and Steve: The Sea Train stationmasters.

Oran and Mizuira: Father and daughter Ohara residents; other than that, no clue who they are.

Lasky: Kalifa's father, and member of Spandine's CP9.

Kanezeni and Nigerata: More people from Robin's flashback who I don't know anything about. Kanezeni looks like a kind old lady, and Nigerata like a creepy middle-aged man.

"Sune Kashiri no Chesskipper": The pirate whose crew Robin tried to join in her flashback.

Sergeant Cosmo: The little robot in the tricorn hat from Enel's adventure.

General Galaxy: The little robot in the samurai armor from the same.

Makuro: The little robot in the knight armor from the same.

Captain Shimazu: The weasel-looking captain of the Space Pirates on the moon.

Terry Gluteo: The Revolutionary in the dog hat from the post-Enies Lobby arc.

Unigaro: The unicorn zombie on Thriller Bark.

Mockdonald: The tree zombie having tea with Unigaro.

Captain Guu: The Captain of the shadowless crew seen after Moriah's defeat.

Chief Petty Officer Asahijya: The Naval officer who gets his shadow back after Moriah's defeat.

Egana: Margarita's (woman whose shadow was in Cindry) boss.

Minoruba and Kairiken: Beaten-up bounty hunters on Sabaody.

Jyudi: The doctor shot by Chalross.

Heat: The fire-breathing, zombie-looking member of the Kid Pirates.

Wire: The other prominent Kid Pirates member, with the BDSM-esque devil costume.

Stansen: The giant who befriended Rayleigh at the auction house.

Rear Admiral Sicily: The officer who reported Luffy punching Chalross to Sengoku.

Tiffany: The transvestite who tried to catch Sanji in a butterfly net.

Shanba: The head caveman on the island Chopper was sent to.

Commodore Daigin: The officer in the samurai helmet Sadie wouldn't let into Impel Down.

Prince Preto: The first guy we see Iva *ahem* demonstrate his powers on.

Roida: A reporter at Sabaody covering the Paramount War.

Vice Admiral Bastille: The giant VA in the iron mask, apparently named in reference to "The Man in the Iron Mask."

Outlook III: Sabo's dad.

Aho Desunen IX: The particularly loathsome Goa noble who explains that the residents of the Grey Terminal deserve to die for not being nobles. His name apparently means something like "Smug Idiot."

Aho Zurako: A little girl Goa noble and apparently the only one with any reservations about letting the Grey Terminal residents die.

Bunny Joe: The Revolutionary in the nice hat who saved Robin, and unfortunately apparently not Sabo.

Dr. Fishbone: The Navy doctor who diagnoses Coby's acquisition of Haki.

Haritsu Kentiyo: The captain of the crew crucified by the Kid Pirates.

Kasa: The old lady who offered Urouge an umbrella.

"Iron Boy" Scotch: Kaido's cyborg subordinate, challenged by Drake.

Thanklin: Brook's manager.

Humphrey: The tender of the bar where we first see Nami after the Time Skip.

Rear Admiral Catacombo: The Naval officer post-Time Skip who gets incapacitated by love for... I can't really remember who.

Kasagoba: Hammond's lionfish friend who totally should've gotten a fight.

Lulis, Adele, Fiancee, Sora: Various mermaids.

Junan: Pappug's assistant.

Habaniru: The criminal stopped by Otohime in her flashback.

And the Flawhats! Fake Nami is Chocolat, Fake Zoro is Manjaro, Fake Franky is Torko, Fake Sogeking is Maunbluten, and Fake Chopper is "stray fox."

Birth of 10,000 new pages over at OP wiki.

>>24502
>Habu: A worried-looking woman from the Calgara flashback; other than that, I have no clue who she is.

Probably Musse's mom/Calgara's wife.

>>24504
Habu 4 nakama.

>>24505
Brook already filled the space for a dead person on the crew.

Say, would I be the only one who would've found it interesting if this group (maybe +Hancock) had stayed on as the permanent New World Straw Hat crew? I mean, they're stronger on average than the current crew (with Buggy and Galdino perhaps dragging them down a bit), meaning Luffy might not have needed the timeskip to be New World-ready if they'd stayed on. I'm sure there'd be some resentment and feeling of cheapness that the characters we'd followed for ten years had all been red herrings, but I'd stay on because I'd be confident Oda wouldn't screw it up. How about you guys?

>>24511
No. No that's awful, stop.

>>24511
Are you...trolling, or are you simply insane?

>>24514
No, I just think, IF DONE RIGHT, it could've been an interesting twist. Oda likes twists, of course.

>>24511
If I wanted to see my favorite characters unceremoniously abandoned without closure, I'd read Naruto and Bleach. No, man. No.

>>24515
Not at the expense of the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT OF THE SERIES

>>24515
You have been sentenced to the gallows to hang from the neck until dead for treasonous and dangerous thoughts which threaten the kingdom.
Make peace with your living God.

>>24518
True. I admit defeat. I just grew to love those guys, is all.

>>24515
There is literally no way to do that right.

>>24528

<- ?

Hahaha, the shitstorm would be AMAZING. Like, the previous chapter would say "starting next week One Piece will be published in our seining magazine" and then BOOM, everyone gets murdered brutally. I mean I would drop the series immediately but looking back it would be pretty funny.

>>24511
My only gripe with these guys being Strawhats would be Crocodile and Daz Bones.

Croc is just better as an antagonist and rival, and Bones is just plain uninteresting.

And, like most people have said, I don't think it would be wise for them to just up and drop the rest of Luffy's crew like that. even if there are a couple of them that I really wish would drop off the face of the Earth. Not saying who, because it'll just start a shitstorm

>>24532
I don't think the Eclipse would translate well to the One Piece universe...mainly because I think the Straw Hats could survive it, though if Chopper, Nami or Usopp survived their mind would be shattered to splinters.

>>24535
Yeah, I sincerely want Crocodile to never go down the shonen manga "whoop we're bros so I'm good now" road. I'm hoping he faces down the Strawhats again because he's pretty much my favorite antagonist for Luffy. Nothing like watching all those plans and back-up plans and back-up-back-up plans of twisty dickery crumble under the weight of Luffy's sheer Luffocity.

>>24541
I love when they brought him into the War of The Best and Luffy immediately tries to take him out for going after White Beard.

>>24540

One Piece Eclipse: Kuma doesn't give a shit about anyone but Luffy so instead of launching them in chapter 513 he only launches their heads. There's your eclipse.

Unless Kuma can do that without killing people, which would be both pretty silly and immediately solve the current arc mystery. Whoops.

>>24541
>Nothing like watching all those plans and back-up plans and back-up-back-up plans of twisty dickery crumble under the weight of Luffy's sheer Luffocity.

Just because I love the Alabasta arc, I gotta say that never happened. Luffocity got Luffy pretty much killed, and it took a WHOLE LOT more than guts and friendship to save the day from Crocodile.

>>24544
When I said "Luffocity", I was thinking along the lines of raw determination to kick Crocodile's ass, not the power of friendship. Yes, it nearly got him killed, but it was also why he kept coming back. Stuck him in an elaborate death trap and left no possibility for escape, and he escaped it. The final battle was really satisfying because we saw in real time a man who had previously been depicted as so very in control and on top of every situation (despite making some really dumb decisions - elaborate death traps never ever work, Crocodile) on his very last rope, going from emergency contingency plan to emergency contingency plan (hook, poison hook, knife) but all of them being stripped from him by Luffy's colossal, unmoveable determination to punch him up good (the aforementioned Luffocity). At the very end, he had, for the first time, nothing left - the man who had an answer for every eventuality was out of them. He could do nothing but lash out and take the punches. And in the end, Luffocity triumphed.

That final fight is one of my absolute favorites because I really enjoy seeing the my favorite clever villains being not just defeated, but completely taken apart. It's gratifying.

>>24545
When Luffy had nothing going for him but Luffocity, it ended in this. Luffy really never stopped (aside from once to take a nap,) but Alabasta was remarkable in being an arc where Luffy's determination to get through anything DIDN'T save the day or end the fight. He entered into the final battle, the last chance to save everything, and LOST.

And then came back and won, but that had many other things helping him (things like Nico Robin and water barrels.) Guts only got Luffy so far.

>>24546
Er, yes? I never said it did? I know it wasn't just Luffy. I never said it was. I think you're under the impression that when I cited Luffy as my favorite protagonist to see against Crocodile I somehow meant he was the only protagonist who fought against Crocodile.

>>24547
No, I just misinterpreted a bit by the line of "backup plan upon backup plan falling to guts and determination." Alabasta's the first arc where sheer guts and determination weren't enough, so I took a little offense to that. I shouldn't have though, and it's clear that's not quite what you meant, so sorry.

LAW IS A SHICHIBONKERS LAW IS A CHICHIBONKERS XD XD LOL I SURE DO HOPE HE DOESN'T BECOME MORE OVERRATED NOW

Shanks:
>wear a strawhat for decades
>get the moniker "Red Hair"

Luffy:
>Wear a strawhat for a year or two
>get called "Straw Hat"

Anyone else find that kind of odd?

>>24594

Not many people in OP have hair that red.

Lots of people have black hair.

>>24594
Eh, I always figured that Shanks only went out and really made a name for himself after he left the Strawhat with Luffy.