So...

We know that Sonic Chronicles hasn't happened yet in the new timeline, and it probably never will be adapted due to legal issues

But what about elements of lore in that game that have no relation to the items of dispute? Like the various alien races or Argus? Can they be referenced? Or are they just dammed by association?

>>226725

Seems more trouble than it's worth.

>>226725
Even though that cock sucker Penders has NOTHING to do with Sonic Chronicles he actually made it so SEGA cannot EVER do stories about Knuckle's species?

>>226725
That stuff is probably legal to use, but there's no way Sega or Archie would want them to.

>>226725
Ian seems to not like Sonic stuff going to space (he made a pretty quick move to tie up all possible plot threads involved with space early in his run), so I doubt he'd write in those races and the Argus event anyway.

That, and he loves continuity and Sonic and friends wouldn't learn about that shit until later so...

I wonder if they could use the game's version of Swatbots.

>>226730
They probably could...but why would you?

So when does Protoman get to have a hair joke at Flashman's expense

on a more serious note: it always bugged me how Protoman always knew what Wily was doing (although ITS DR.WILY AGAIN is predictable enough in classic megaman to make several jokes with), so having some of the Megaman 5 robot masters have friendships with Protoman (beyond Megaman 5) might be neat, although I hope it's for silly reasons (for example: Starman would probably want to hang out with Protoman simply because of his "Pompadour and shades" fashion style... and probably trades Dr.Wily secrets for cool shades, scarves and style tips.)

>>226732
I have no idea why Blues would be friendly with them. He already made his complete turn to good guy/anti-hero after 4 and those guys are one of the few sets of 100% pure Wily robots and actively framed him for criminal activity. If anything I would think he would resent or even hate the 5-bots.

>>226731

Well, they're more SEGA-fied than the originals, and do tie back to SatAM.

The Egg Swats are cooler though.

>>226737
Yes, I like them. Not only are they a good middle position between Swatbots and the game's generic Eggman robots (I forget their name), but they also look cooler than the game's robots. Not necessarily the Swatbots, or their upgraded form I also forgot the name of (Camobots?)

>>226737

Swatbots were the coolest when drawn by Spaz. I loved those guys, they had such personality and a sleek, storm-trooper design.

>>226739
I liked Mawhinney and Manak's hilariously expressive Swats more than Spaz's badass shoulderpad Swats. They've always been at their best when they're humorous, not cool.

>>226740

They're always humorous though, even if they're drawn by Spaz. I remember during the E.V.E. issue, issue 25, and issue 50 they all had there humorous little moments. While spaz's art made them LOOK really cool, their body language and the writing still made them loveably mook-ish. The only swatbots that WEREN'T humorous were the Shadowbots, who I think we can all agree were terrible (and I always loved the scene where these large monocolor shadowbots got mopped up by the regular swatbots).

At any rate, I've always seen the Egg Swats as a downgrade design-wise from the Swatbots. They might look like something SEGA would create for the Sonic Games, but they don't appeal to me the same way the old Swatbots did.

>>226741
Oh their dialogue was still silly, but they didn't look very silly under Spaz's pencils. In nearly every facet Spaz's Swats were more serious business, and it's most noticeable in their visors: the other artists drew them more rectangular, affecting a sort of dopey demeanor, while Spaz had the much-more-accurate "boomerang" look going on.
>The only swatbots that WEREN'T humorous were the Shadowbots, who I think we can all agree were terrible
Speak for yourself, SPES MARINE Swats look hilarious when drawn right. The problem is they weren't written very well...or often, for that matter.

>Egg Swats are a downgrade
Their effectiveness REALLY depends on the artist. Like, more than any other kind of Swat.

For some reason, I thought something ghastly was going to happen to Sonic in the closing seconds of that gif.

That, or he'd have a Nigel face.

Egg Swats are one of the biggest disappointments I had on something Bates did, and I choose to believe it was due to him being uncomfortable with it. They just don't capture the charm of either Egg Pawns or Swatbots and look like an awkward middlepoint.

I'd rather we go back to Egg Pawns with Badnik swarms and Egg Robos peppered about. The Egg Pawns can be great when treated as humourous soldiers like how Manak used the Swatbots.

>>226755
I completely agree with this.

>>226742
Shadowbots were humorous when they needed to be. In their first appearance, they were rekted by swatbots, then, despite being all cold and cool, they high-tailed it (complete with scared expressions) when Dulcy showed up. They're just Tryhard cool and failed for humorous effect.

>>226729
Funny how the games are now so focused on putting Sonic in space with aliens introduced every game.

And on a different note, I like how Dawn Best gave Bobr a stern talking to on Penders's forum.

>>226758
Change "stern talking to" to "veiled attempt to tell him to stop fucking up in every way imaginable." Which he then ignored/did not understand because it was just subtle enough that she couldn't be tossed aside as not supporting Ken.

I don't know why you'd like someone telling a guy he's handling his "job" wrong when he's either oblivious to it or doesn't care.

>rumours that Fireman has limited appearances in the comic due to Capcom not liking the personality he was given

this is bullshit, you can't ground fireman like that. Two suggestions to try and fix it:

Earth-to-Ian vague hints attempt to save Fireman from being CAPCOM'd mode: FireMan is a robot. who deals with fire-related industrial work. Which is extremly hazardous, and would be deadly to normal humans. And you regulalry characterise CUBOT, who has voice problems, just fine. And accidents do happen.

Not-so-subtle, Ian might want to plausibly deny anything in this spoiler suggestion mode: just give Fireman a Samurai-Jack tier robot gore moment to justify him getting a personality/speach reset to please capcom so he can turn up more, maybe have Solar Man as his support (like how Gutsman was for Concrete Man), probably have Fireman go full JUSTICE mode as he takes what could be a fatal hazard for Solar Man or a innocent or something

>>226777
Ian said they were originally going to focus on Fire Man for an issue but plans changed. He most likely hasn't gotten focus simply because he's been busy with the other 1-bots. However, the fact that he's not been used nearly as much as any of the other 1-bots, even Bomb Man, is a bit depressing.

In completely unrelated news, I just noticed the ad for Selects 10 mentions that it pulls from FCBD and Super Specials, among other things. Assuming they aren't being terrible and reprinting things already in the line, there's not much left for them to pull from.
The only stories not left accounted for (reprinted or otherwise assured for a reprint in an existing GN line) are issue 50, Sonic Live's main story, the Image crossover, that terrible SatAM story from Sally Moon, the 2-part Sabrina crossover, Naugus Games, Riders, FCBD07, and Gallagher's final two stories (Sonic 170 and 185). Maaaybe the Olympics issue if we want to push it. 50, Live, Image, and Naugus Games are never getting reprinted, Riders is almost certainly going to be a bonus story in the Babylon Rising Universe GN, and even if we get a new SCO in every Digest and Magazine until the new Select is released it'll only reach about 30 pages at most. Given its tagline and the number of pages it has to fill, it'd make sense for the Sabrina Crossover, Gallagher's "Badnik" stories/Archive ads, and FCBD07 to fill out most of the book. The question is whether they'll shove that terrible SatAM adaptation in alongside Riders to finish off the book or if they'll choose to print a few "weird" stories from the main issues so they can hold on to a few extra stories for Select 11.
The way stories are selected for reprints fascinates me far more than it should.

>>226760
>>226758
Link please?

>>226792
Google is your friend, I'm not linking Ken Penders' forum here.

>>226793
Tried, got nothing. I can't view BobR's profile and posts to find it either since I don't have an account.

>>226777
And this is why the internet is tiresome sometimes. That rumor is 100% false.

I had Fire Man saying "pardner" once. Capcom asked that we change it. That's it. Fire Man hasn't shown up as much simply because.... well, no conscious reason. He just hasn't.

I had pitched a story that basically starred him and had him helping out Gil and Krantz. It didn't get past the initial pitching stage, but I'm keeping it in my pocket to tweak and re-pitch at another point.

>>226795
Don't blame the internet for what you imply, Ian.

>>226796
Blaming the Internet for its wild unfounded speculation trying to play a blame game is a tradition for Archie comics.

>>226795
If you ever get past Mega Man 7 without using that story idea, you should try again and incorporate Freeze Man. There's a couple of things from the supplementary material you can work with using that guy in a "helping the police" situation and the two playing off each other basically writes itself.

>>226807
STOP.

>>226796
I blame it for taking anything I say and going every which-way with it, stating assumptions as facts. Half that time, I haven't implied anything.

How old do you think Muttski is?

Most people seemed to assume he was about Tail's age, since he looks that young.

But he appears in Sally's Sonic origins running away from the city with Sally and Antoine.

Assuming the youngest he could be is 4 years old in Origins, if he was Tails age (8) that would mean only 4 years have past since Origins and the present, which seems highly unlikely. Also it was presumed Sally is about 15 years old at the moment (going by the old timeline with adjustments), so that'd make her eleven years old in Origins, also seems unlikely (considering Amy is only 12 and there's a big difference between Origin Sally and Amy.

So unless Muttski is older and Nu!Sally (and Twan) is younger than we thought...

>>226822
Maybe we should stop caring how old Sonic characters are and just go with "young, teen, young adult, adult, old person" from now on since nobody acts their age anyway.

>>226822
I think seven years have passed

Muttski 4 + 7 = 11
Sally 7 + 7 = 14

>>226822
>Young Rotor has his hat
yesss

>>226822
Is that Bunnie in the background?

>>226822
Chuck's looking a bit derpy there.

>>226826
>Blonde rabbit with a front tuft and ponytail.
Gonna go with "well duh".

The ear-bow is adorable.

>>226827
>edgy Spaz-wannabe DBZ weeaboo dArtist
I'd get used to that

>>226829
That's entirely uncalled for. The guy's been doing a pretty solid job in his first few attempts at comics.

>Introduce Rotor's dad.

This will end well.

>>226807
Since someone brought that up; Freezeman could be the Deadpool or Squirral Girl of comic series. Openly breaks the 4th wall now-and-then and just be a fun villain.

>>226834
STOP IT! STOP STOP STOP!

With each "would be cool if" post you make, Ian can't fucking use it. Take that shit somewhere he DOESN'T openly and publicly lurk and post.

I'm trying to figure out a Game of Thrones / Sonic story, but I can't figure out who should be who...
This is what I've got so far:

Ned Stark - King Acorn
Catelyn Stark - Vanilla the Rabbit
Robb Stark - Silver the Hedgehog
Sansa Stark - Sally Acorn
Ayra Stark - Marine the Raccoon
Bran Stark - Cream the Rabbit
Rickon Stark - Cheese the Chao
Jon Snow - Shadow the Hedgehog
Theon Greyjoy - Jet the Hawk

Robert Baratheon - Mighty the Armadillo

Melisandre - Tikal
Stannis Baratheon - Knuckles the Echidna
Davos Seaworth - Uncle Chuck

Cersei Lannister - Bunnie Rabbot
Jamie Lannister - Antoine D'Coolette
Tyrion Lannister - Tails
Joffrey Baratheon - (Super) Sonic?

Margaery Tyrell - Amy Rose

Daenerys Targaryen - Blaze
Khal Drogo - Vector the Crocodile

Samwell Tarly - Big the Cat

The Hound - Omega

Any suggestions for other characters?

>>226836
NEEEEERRRRB

>>226835
Who the fuck you to say he can't? As long as Capcom and Archie give the final ok, he can do what every the hell he wants with whatever information he comes across. He can openly say "these are terrible ideas." and most people would be cool with that because he's the one writing this and has been doing a good job at it.

This a site for open discussion. So whether he's lurks here or not isn't going to stop shit. So when someone post "what if this happened" or "it would be cool if", you either join the discussion or STFU!

>>226835
Mega Man should beat Wily using the Top Spin when he pilots Gamma.
Galaxy Man should ask Duo what deep space is like.
Centaur Man should be in a petting zoo at some point.
Since I said it, Ian can't use it! Oh no!
The idea behind people not saying fan ideas around Ian is that he can't use completely original ideas people come up with that you wouldn't reasonably call coincidence. Mere suggestions about using a character at some point or having two characters interact doesn't stop Ian from doing them. If it worked that way, someone could easily invalidate the comic itself by spewing a bunch of suggestions in Ian's face. The idea of "STOP SPECULATING IN FRONT OF IAN HE CAN'T DO THINGS YOU SAY" being some kind of black and white law is just as stupid as people assuming Ken could just end Archie's license with Sega by suing Archie. It's more complicated than that, it's not like he can just sue over something out of Archie's control and Sega would blame Archie for it and pull the Sonic license, but people act like that's the case.

>>226838
>>226839
I suppose the conception is another false rumour, like the earlier "FireMan can't show up in comics because of capcom"

It's not entirly false - it's just that information gets lost in the "he said, she said" internet cycle, so "Keep your suggestions simple, stupid" becomes "suggest anything and it won't appear in the comic, due to legal"

people are just being too carefull and tiptoeing around a senstive area is involved as well, I guess

>>226837
The Nerb Foreman can be Walder Frey alright?

>>226841
I was calling you a nerd, but sure why not.

Mega Man should be really well written.

oh nooooooooo

But hey, maybe we can finally move past "that's not game canon, Ian can't do that" as well.

>>226845
Are you going to screencap this too?

>>226847

Maan, I know that wasn't the nicest thing to do, but if even one of the people making Ian's social networking more tiresome felt some shame then I'd say it was worth it. And it didn't exactly present any new information to get spread around and cause trouble for him, just presented it in a way that's harder for the sperglords to ignore.

In retrospect, I should have asked for his consent first. It was a spur of the moment decision. Sorry Ian.

>>226727

Actually, Archie CAN make new Echidna characters, however:

-they fear the possibility of another lawsuit from Penders, which is unlikely.
-Knuckles is supposed to be the ONLY Echidna left, and SEGA wants it to remain so (Tikal doesn't count since she's dead, and Shade and Nocturnus clan don't count as well because the game is not considered canon).

>>226847
>>226851
>>226852
What are you goofuses blabbering about?

>>226839
>Who the fuck you to say he can't?
Ian fucking Flynn says he can't, you fucktard.

If you've been a part of the community, you would know he's said MULTIPLE TIMES that he doesn't look at fancomics or things because he doesn't want to steal ideas from people.

Also in Bumbleking, everytime someone does something called a "fan idea", the mods cover it up in spoiles, because Ian has gone on record saying he won't use anything he reads because he wants to not be sued or called a plagiarist by angry fans.

>>226836
>Theon Greyjoy - Jet the Hawk

Heh

>>226851
Well you got through to most of the people there. I say most since there are some who still want to think it's fake.

>>226856

Nothing important

>>226860

My stance has always been that I'm not terribly clever and am not paid to come up with clever ideas, so most ideas that I come up with are not something Ian could not also come up with. Which is why I've been known to, for instance, list off a bunch of potential motivations for Quint that aren't outlined in the one crappy game he appeared in. Dumb? Yes, but not character assassination.

Now, what would be completely different is if I explained MS Paint Masterpiece's Quint in laborious detail in a place I know Ian reads. That would not be cool with Brock's rules.

>>226836
Dude, Geoffrey should be Joffrey, he even has a crossbow!

well, this was a unhappy turn.

but good news everyone!

Now that we're in Unleashed, Eggman FINALLY gets to build Eggmanland. After like what, 50 years of trying, he actually manages to build the place he always wanted to build. And we might see it in the comic.

>>226860
Fancomics are not even remotely the same as comments from Anonymous posts, you shit-stein!
Anonymous can't claim ownership of anything they say or post.
It's his professional policy to try and not step in other peoples toes. Not a fucking law of nature that says he'll do the opposite that everything that people suggest.
He's just being respectful. While you're being disrespectful.

>>226879
Fan ideas are fan ideas. Fan comic, a single line of brain-storming - it's the same thing. All it takes is one person to screen cap their post, time stamp it, and declare I ripped off their idea. It doesn't matter if they have any legitimate grounds - it's cheap and easy to make trouble, it's expensive and tedious to defend yourself.

Yes, it's asinine, but all it takes is one crazy to ruin everybody's fun. That's why I'm super-careful about it all.

>>226883
I sure hope you're not trying to say that even the implication of ideas as simple as "HEY CHARACTER X AND CHARACTER Y SHOULD BE IN A STORY TOGETHER" means that you can never write said type of story, because that goes beyond asinine.

If you take that stance, you're just giving people easy ammo to sabotage/troll the book. Sure, it's important to lean away from more complicated musings, but I seriously hope you're not trying to imply ANY fan idea, even something as simple as say "It'd be great if a story focused on Bubble Man and Wave Man working together" would just eliminate the possibility of that kind of story ever existing.

>>226886

Welcome to the retarded world of copyright law.

Enjoy your stay.

>>226887
Except it almost certainly doesn't work that way, because fans have speculated and proposed things that ended up in the comic that actually ended up happening (mostly because a lot of things that happened in the comic aren't hard to call, what with the comics being based on a series of several games and all).

If it worked that way, the comic would be unable to proceed at this point.

>>226886
Don't be fucking retarded. Seriously.

>>226886
Look. If you want to pitch a fanfic, do it in private. Otherwise, let him worry about it. Speculate, predict, whatever. All this overthinking is worse than just letting people talk about the comic. Chances are, you're not going to accidentally say something so specific it can't be used, and nobody's going to get in trouble if they do: it just won't be used and nobody will notice. Just relax.

>>226886
>>226888
And there have been a few fingers pointed. Minor instances, I can't remember the details now, but the counter-claim made almost instantly was "Ian goes out of his way to avoid fan-made stuff."

It doesn't cover all the bases, obviously. Some folks will figure out where I'm going with things, there will be coincidences, and there will be folks who flat-out will swear I'm stalking their every personal blog post.

But my policy is there, it's very public, and I'm ardent about it. And if it saves me from some of the near constant drama, then it's worth the effort.

>>226888
People guesing Ian's easy-to-figure mysteries is different than someone going "You know what? I hope [character x] does [super specific thing with no context from the story] in the future

>>226890

Blues' got back

>>226890
But I didn't want to pitch a fanfic, and I haven't. I just seriously asked him if he's honestly going to axe ideas as simple as two characters interacting because he stumbles upon someone saying it would be a good idea somewhere on the internet (pretty sure he wouldn't).

I get that it's better to have a black-and-white view on this, for Ian's sake, but then you have people constantly in fear that anything anyone says will be rendered impossible to show in the comic and it makes even simply discussing things harder. You get posts like this
>>226814
where someone gets all stressed over a spoilered comment.

No matter how the situation is approached, SOMEONE has to deal with a lot of annoying bullshit. I don't blame Ian for not wanting to be the one to deal with it.

>>226901
>Blues' got back
Seeing as the artist likes to draw lady Proto Man... As well as shipping her with Metal Man.

>>226921
Why Metal Man? Is there some connection between the two I'm not thinking of?

>>226922
No idea, but as random as it is, I do like that he/she gave Proto Woman metal blade earrings.

>>226922
A lot fujoshi seem to like them together, I *think* it's because they are both the "cool older brother" of the Light/Wily robot masters.

someone post the variant page for mega man!

So are the Sonic / Mega Man FCBD reprints like last year? Im only allowed 2 freebies at my shop and I'd rather not waste a slot on a reprint

>>226936
The Mega Man X segment is a reprint of the backups seen in the regular issues. The Sonic segment is the Sonic Origin strips that have been running in the SSSSSS digest.

Dr. Julian Snively with action goatee

I wat.

I need to know who added this caption to the reprinted version of this story. Something about it tickled me.

Was it Jon? It was Jon, wasn't it?

Also I just realised: Ian can totally bring up Nanites exsisting in the Nu continuity, if he's legally able too do so

Consider that what Sonic Heroes's Metal Sonic could do (such as liquify itself and Metal Overlord), and compare it to Nicole pre-reboot, and they are remarkably similar tech (minus the fact Nicole was probably more advanced in what she could do), so that might be fun to reference during Sonic Origins, since that seems to be the flashback issues of the nu continuity and obviously nicole needs one since shes a freedom fighter, or alternativly at another point of time where it could be relevant, such as Silver Timey-wimey stuff (because y'know, Silver changing his future via changing the past and all that jazz probably leads to weird alternate apocolyptic futures for him, where the future dodges one everyone-dies scenario and goes right into another)

>>226966
Nanites are such a generic and wide-spread concept that I don't know how they would be legally barred from doing so. IIRC, the Nanite City and Nicole's physical body came from Tommy, which in turn came from ADAM. Was ADAM a Penders creation?

Even if they were, it would only be against a specific plot of it. Ian could just go "Let there be nanites!" and it would be. Of course, Nanites can also be one hell of a plothole/Deus Ex, so I don't think that he would want to go through the trouble of putting them in play again unless he had a good storyline for it.

Alright more age info to refine our new timeline!

So now we know Muttski is supposed to be roughly Tails age (8), and Ian strongly implied it was an artist error that he was running, meant to be carried by Chuck and indicating he's probably supposed to be younger than 4 years old at the time.

That gives us a time-frame for measuring how long it's been since Eggman conquered Mobotropolis.

If Muttski was...
4yold - 4 years have passed
3yold - 5 years have passed
2yold - 6 years have passed
1yold - 7 years have passed

Combine this with Sonic's age (15), who we've also been told knew the Freedom Fighters as kids. He was either
11 years old
10 years old
9 years old
8 years old

IF the other FFs kept their same base age in the new timeline, then during Origins they'd be
Sally = same age as Sonic
Rotor = +3 years older than Sonic, so 14, 13, 12 or 11 yold
Bunnie = same as Rotor
Antoine = +5 years older than Sonic, so 16, 15, 14 or 13 yold (this looks pretty much impossible)

BUT they probably have new ages in this timeline so this part's irrelevant.

>>226971
You're really overthinking this.

I want to see what Ian does with this guy. "Nooo! You beat my buddy!" is engrish gold, plus Xtreme has so much writing potential. We can get more in-depth with middy's and techno's characters, learn who the Shadow Hunters are, exactly, and maybe even see what Zero is up to while X is replaying the old games.

>>226974
It's basic maths buddy. What's the point of a micro series that sets up the history of a new continuity if you don't try and make sense of it.

>>226995
Knowing Zero, he probably spent a lot of that time being dead/half-dead.

I don't get why they can't show young Tails running from Mobotropolis but they can show young Tails working with young Rotor?

>>227003
Tails running from Mobotropolis implies all sorts of things.
Tails talking to Rotor implies nothing.

That's literally all there is to it.

>>227004
Implies what?
The reason Tails couldn't be shown at Mobotropolis was because Archie can't show SEGA characters growing up. Quote Flynn "Eh... SEGA has asked we not show anything implying the game cast as aged."

But... yeah, later in the same book is shows a younger Tails... showing us he aged?

>>227005
Aging isn't really the same as existing in the past for fictional characters. They're not allowed to have the Sega cast grow older: there's never been anything said about them being unable to show the cast as younger.

derp

>>227008
>Aging isn't really the same as existing in the past for fictional characters.
Well apparently SEGA doesn't care about the difference between that because they've mandated neither can happen.

>>227003
>>227013
It was probably just an artist error they forgot to change, the Origins comic is full of them. I hope SEGA isn't mad.