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222793 No. 222793
Previously! On Archie General: >>221521

>Sperging over not calling Mobius Mobius
>Trying to propose Sega Sonic actually has a canon
>THINK OF THE POOR WIKI
>Some kind of shark girl!
>Penders says things on twitter worthy of a screencap
>That wily Mav is up to his old tricks
>I'm pretty sure he was the one that used the phrase "Sega apologist".
>Holy crap it's almost X time.
>HOLY CRAP there's a crossover coming what the fuuuuuu-

And now, the conclusion.
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>> No. 222794
-uck.
>> No. 222798
>>222745
>what is Sonic the Comic
>> No. 222800
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>> No. 222801
>>222800
>Doesn't just become Pink Sally.
Boo.
>> No. 222804
Is the next issue of Universe out yet and I just haven't received it? I know my sub is up soon, but I don't think it's up already...
>> No. 222805
>>222793
Fuck you Growbro, that is the most whiny, passive aggressive thread starter I've seen in ages.

Don't make threads anymore if this is how you're going to start them.
>> No. 222806
>>222804
#60 came out digitally, that's all I know.
>> No. 222812
Reposting from the end of the last thread because I didn't even know there was a new one:

>>222778
>"We're looking at another 4-6 months of filler thanks to this event."
Do you mean you think the crossover's filler, or that there's going to be filler before it starts? Because none of us have any clue what's going to even happen in the crossover yet, and we already know what's going on in the issues leading up to it. The lead-in looks more like MM3 and MMX setup than filler.
>> No. 222815
>>222793
>I'm pretty sure he was the one that used the phrase "Sega apologist".

I'm fairly certain that wasn't me.
>> No. 222817
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>>222805
>> No. 222826
>>222801
That's because they did it wrong. Their fingers wont extended.
>> No. 222832
>>222815
SEGApologist isn't even harsh enough to accurately describe the rabid fanboys here anyway.
>> No. 222835
>>222832
Ooh, ooh. Can I take the troll-bait?
>> No. 222838
>>222835
Is everything considered trolling nowadays? You can't even call someone a douche without automatically being labeled a troll, even if they are a douche?
>> No. 222839
>>222838

I would classify my OP under general dickweedery, for instance.

To accuse you of trolling would be giving you the benefit of the doubt, because the sadder alternative is that you really do think these things
>> No. 222840
>>222838
I'll bite. The post was pretty much saying the Sega/Archie/Sonic fans here are worse than just "Sega Apologists" because...what? That they're liking the games/comics? Sounded like it was going out of its way to get people mad by insulting them for liking them. That's what troll-baiting is.
>> No. 222841
>>222838
>>222839
Are these two the same person, or is 839 someone responding to 838? It's hard to tell.
>> No. 222844
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>>222841
39's replying to 38, unless 39 is actually a secret clone created by Dr. Doppler for a terrible card collection. *cough*

So, what are you guys hoping for from X?
>> No. 222847
>>222806
Does the physical usually arrive after the digital is released? I have no idea what the release schedule is for Archie.
>> No. 222851
>>222847
Usually it's subscription then digital on the same day as the LCS, then newsstand. But with the winter weather and holidays, things are backed up so the digitals are coming out first.
>> No. 222888
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http://www.polygon.com/2014/1/30/5362352/nintendo-plans-to-actively-expand-character-licensing-business

Psst, Archie. Remember those Nintendo books you guys wanted to start? Now might be your chance.
>> No. 222889
>>222888
>Implying
We'll be getting My Little Kirby: Friendship is Poyo in two years to cash in on the new "video game character cartoon" craze. Comics are old hash.
>> No. 222890
>>222888

They probably mean things like more toys, Nintendo's been kind of adverse to any licensing that involves having a plot for the past few years.
>> No. 222891
>>222888
Mario comic could be a fascinating read.
>> No. 222892
It doesn't even have to be the main stuff.
An FZero or Star Fox cartoon, a Pikmin or Earthbound animated film?
>> No. 222894
>>222891
Even with Nintendo easing up on licensing, they would be 40 times as anal about Mario as SEGA is about Sonic. That's as many as four tens. We would get something more along the lines of NSMB than Mario Galaxy. I would love a Paper Mario comic, though.

>>222892
Yeah. Mario and Zelda are probably not going to see any plot-driven antics in licensing deals, but Star Fox and Metroid certainly have a lot of potential, especially about their expanded universes. Metroid wouldn't work in the same art style as Sonic and Mega Man, I think, but I'm sure that wouldn't be a large problem. I don't know that Pikmin would work: the games are very simple, plot wise, meaning you have both a blank canvas in front of you and almost nothing to go off of. I'd support an Earthbound comic if it meant we got legit releases of Mother 1/3 here in the states (and I've never played Earthbound.)

Archie has proven themselves in the area of lasting video-game-related-comics, so hopefully Nintendo turns to them first for a licensing deal in America, if they go with anyone. (Assuming that the Pendering didn't scare them off.) I think their second choice would be Dark Horse (which already has a connection with them, as Dark Horse released Hyrule Historia in America.)

It's probably too late for it, but it would be amazing to see Archie do a SSB mini series for the release of the upcoming games.

Wish SEGA would do the same. Still want that Skies of Arcadia series. :(
>> No. 222895
>>222894

>I would love a Paper Mario comic, though.

After Sticker Star?
>> No. 222897
Question

Can Nicole fly??
>> No. 222898
>>222897
If her body is supposed to be a "physical" form for her (able to touch, etc.) I don't really see why she should be able to.
>> No. 222899
>>222895
I haven't played it, but from what I hear I pretend it doesn't exist. TTYD would be a good jumping point. Never played the original...

>>222898
Depends on how she composed herself. When it was with the nanites, no. But now it seems she's back to just hologram, so I would say so.

My question is this: If she flies too high, can she still "see"? Can the hologram feed data back to the machine, so she could "fly" above a structure to see over it?
>> No. 222902
>>222899
She was always some kind of fancy "physical" hologram though....
>> No. 222904
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[Fanboy Grumbling Intensifies]
>> No. 222905
>>222904
You know there's something wrong when a lot of the reactions to this are simply "meh."
>> No. 222907
>>222905
It's because its taking up time in the main book

It's not its own book

its not the start of the X series.
>> No. 222908
>>222905
Meh or fan grumbles.
Classic and X crossing over is something most fans don't really ask for/wish for. It's something that's so easy to botch and can ruin the dynamic.
>> No. 222910
>>222908

Not to mention there was a crossover eight months ago.
>> No. 222911
>>222910
Yeah, we've spent all of that time on basically the one story, so that makes it all the more annoying.
>> No. 222912
>>222905
It it's just X starting up? FUCK YEAH. If it's a full-on crossover with them meeting each other? Oh god no fuck why. If it's some vague in-between...? What's it even supposed to be, besides an obvious comic event?
>> No. 222913
>>222912
It's either an actual meet-up or they're doing the "two timelines, one overarching story" thing people have brought up before and they're disguising it as a crossover.

Hopefully it's the latter.
>> No. 222915
How are the Sonic and Megaman comics for newcomers?
Any tips for jumping in?
>> No. 222917
>>222915
Sonic is right at a good jumping-on point, actually; assuming that this multiverse re-write sticks, you can jump in right after the Worlds Collide arc with almost no knowledge before hand. Knowing the main games would be helpful in some references, but not required. Then you can work on older issues at your pace, likely missing only a few references. If you want to go older, I think most people recommend as early as you want to start up until #80 or so, then go to #160 (about when Ian started writing) to pick it back up. Everything in between is of very random quality (both art and story) and Ian spends a lot of his first two years in the comic wrapping up a lot of loose threads, getting some stuff to converge nicely, and otherwise simplifying a lot of what would just pass for fan fiction

As for MegaMan, I dunno. I got in right before Worlds Collide myself, and haven't played any of the games in a long time, but, while I don't know some of the more minor characters, I'm not having problems following along.
>> No. 222918
>>222904

Speak for yourselves, this is awesome!
>> No. 222919
>>222904

Speak for yourselves, this is awesome!
>> No. 222920
>>222904
If this is a crossover I'm worried that the Classic characters will get over shadowed by the X characters, they're better robots over all.
>> No. 222921
>>222844
>So, what are you guys hoping for from X?

More prologue than the games ever got, so we get a storyline or two of the Maverick Hunters under Sigma taking down dangerous lunatics before the Day of Sigma.

Alia, Pallette and Layer, the rest of the later series Hunter support characters, and even Repliforce, showing up earlier and more often to bolster the cast.
>> No. 222925
>>222921
Repliforce was created specifically because of the Dopplertown event.

>>222917
Start at Mega Man 24. Yes, for all three series.
>> No. 222926
Preview out for the Free Comic Book issue. Only shows an unfinished page for the Sonic Origins side, but two finished pages of the X story, featuring Dr. Cain in an utterly ridiculous robe that somehow looked better when Inafune drew it- something rare!
>> No. 222928
God bless Spaz, hasn't quite figured out how faces work yet
>> No. 222929
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There's probably a better way of ripping these pages from the pdf but I'm a banana
>> No. 222930
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>> No. 222931
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On the eve of the MEGA MAN/MEGA MAN X Crossover comes the TWISTED tale that could only be called “A Chance at Redemption”! Dr. Wily is a free man, cleared of wrongdoing, and it’s all thanks to–Mega Man?! Can even an evil villain like himself live with a lie of that magnitude? Can he enjoy a life of robotics research next to his “frenemy” Dr. Light? Will the promise of power in Gamma be far too tempting? The answer to all your burning questions lie in this mega-fun issue!


>Plus, be sure to pick up both regular and variant editions to read both SHOCKING “post-credits” alternate endings!

Uh, care to elaborate on that Ian? Because that sounds kinda shitty. Are we just talking different Short Circuits or something?
>> No. 222932
>>222931
*sigh* No. Page Twenty will be different depending on which cover you get.
>> No. 222933
>>222932
I understand this kinda thing is supposed to get people to buy variants and stuff (and/or to tie into the crossover), but it just makes me want to skip on buying the issue and just get the TPB instead.
>> No. 222934
>>222932

I know that stuff is out of your hands, man. But if it was Paul, give him a light slap for me.
>> No. 222935
>>222932

Aw, man, I think I just heard your soul breaking. Sorry to hear it man.

Now I have to hope that my comic store GETS both covers...
>> No. 222937
>>222932
Uh... for those that buy digitally, how are we affected?
>> No. 222938
>>222937

Probably get the non-variant ending since variants are comic shop only thing.
>> No. 222940
>>222935

At least your comic book shop still carries it at all.
>> No. 222941
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>>222934

EXTRA EXTRA

MAN SLAPS CO-WORKER BECAUSE OF COMMENT ON INTERNET

READ ALL ABOUT IT
>> No. 222942
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>>222931
Seriously, why all this variant cover bullshit? The comic book stores are their smallest market, and the sales we've seen were more than fine. Why keep doing this shit? Is it even helping?

Fuck me, the comic's good but the corporate gimmicks are weighing it down.
>> No. 222944
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222944
If it helps, the variant cover for 36 is actually pretty good this time.
>> No. 222946
>>222944

No it doesn't help.
>> No. 222948
It's one page. One page. It's stupid, sure, but it's not like half the issue is different depending on your cover. Even if you don't get the variant, you're probably not missing anything.
>> No. 222949
>>222933
makes me just want to wait for /co/ to post both online
>> No. 222952
>>222948
It's the fear of what's next though. They start with writing for the trades, then lots of variants, then a big crossover hyped for months, now alternative endings.
>> No. 222953
>>222948
That one page means I end up getting less content for my money if I buy the floppies. That means I should wait for the trade.

This strategy is directly causing me to skip the floppy and give Archie less sales.
>> No. 222954
>>222953

Paul cares about trade sales, I doubt he gives a shit if these tactics make people skip the monthlies.
>> No. 222958
>>222954
I wonder if anyone would bother to actually, you know, tell Archie these things directly instead of just bitching about it online.
>> No. 222959
RESTRAIN YOUR EQUESTRIAN MAMMALS
>> No. 222973
So has StH permanently moved to shipping a week later, or is just delayed again?
>> No. 222974
>>222954
If they didn't care about monthlies, they wouldn't be trying to get people to buy the same comic twice.
>> No. 222978
>>222974
If Paul cares so much about trades, he might be trying to boost LCS sales so that more stores will carry the trades.
>> No. 222979
>>222978
My LCS only gets a few floppies, never any trades. But then, every comic shop Ive been to doesnt stock the trades. Only B&N gets a few archives
>> No. 222981
>>222958
Paul posts to Bumbleking. You're free to complain there.
>> No. 222983
They care about the monthly and the trades. But if they want to drive readers to one or the other, it's the monthly. There are no trades without it.
>> No. 222987
>>222983

I imagine they care a fair bit about subscriptions, since people that subscribed for Worlds Collide will need to renew right about the time this new crossover starts.
>> No. 222988
>>222987
I could easily be wrong, but subs count for a far lower amount of sales than you'd think. At least, according to the legal hoo-ha they post annually.
>> No. 223007
>Everyone complains that the Master Emerald isn't relevant and Sega forgot about it.
>New version of Sonic Dash has a plot, in which Eggman stole the Master Emerald.
>> No. 223017
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223017
It's here

http://www.tssznews.com/2014/02/06/reports-sonic-boom-part-of-complete-franchise-relaunch/

http://www.tssznews.com/2014/02/06/source-sonic-boom-planned-as-3rd-nintendo-exclusive-and-main-canon/

>First, our source has told TSSZ hat the Sonic Boom video game is at least planned as the third Nintendo exclusive title.

>Second, our source tells TSSZ that Sega plans to make Sonic Boom the main Sonic canon going forward–in effect making it a complete franchise reboot and confirming our story from two years ago. However, our source cautions this too could change, and how fans react to news of the reboot could significantly impact how it changes. In short: Your voice matters more than ever.

>Third, our source has confirmed development of Boom is being handled by an American studio and not Sonic Team. However, we do not know yet what specific studio is handling the game. We’ve also learned the Boom video game will be a 3D platformer that emphasizes exploration, and at this stage has multiple playable characters.

Trailer for Sonic Boom game

http://video.lefigaro.fr/figaro/video/la-bande-annonce-de-sonic-boom/3161522154001/
>> No. 223019
http://www.destructoid.com/sega-reveals-new-sonic-boom-sub-franchise-and-game-270111.phtml
>Sega of America president and COO John Chen stressed that "Sonic Boom will not be replacing the original franchise."

And this is why you should not quote TSSZ's "sources".
>> No. 223022
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Now for the cartoon

Sonic Boom™ - TV Series Traileryoutube thumb
>> No. 223023
Remember, if you have ever complained about people who didn't like Sonic's Green Eyes, you have voided your right to complain about simple design changes. Nostalgia fag.
>> No. 223024
Penders decides to chime in on Sonic Boom via Twitter:
>"My partner Larry and I are scratching our heads wondering why SOA didn't show this much independence from SOJ when we were pitching our film"

Because clearly if Sega accepts one pitch it means they must accept all.
>> No. 223025
>>223023
>implying that's anywhere near the scope of this
>> No. 223026
>>223023
There's a difference between arguing over eye color and practical design choices. This fetish for sports tape is reminiscent of Kingdom Hearts' for zippers, right down to neither being used in the manner in which they would be in a "normal" design or real life. That tape is being used in ways that are downright stupid. I mean really, on the shoes? That doesn't even make sense.

>>223024
Penders is an attention-seeking douche that's still desperate to be relevant to Sonic. What else is new?
>> No. 223027
>>223024
Maybe cuz his ideas were shit.
>> No. 223028
>>223023
I can honestly say "BLUE ARMS, SCARF, ETC" don't bother me.
Knuckles being super huge though, idunno.
>> No. 223029
Pros:
-Amy isn't just a doofus.
-Tails barely changed.
-Sonic having a bandana isn't a bad choice.

Cons:
-Why are we covered in tape.
-Game trailer makes it look like they're not trying to change Amy so much as make a new character and stick her face on.
-Knux is taking roids.
>> No. 223030
>>223024
This isn't even a film anyway. It's a cartoon and a game. Pretty sure there's a difference there.


>"My other reaction watching the game trailer was wondering what made Sonic unique if everyone else can keep up with him, especially Knuckles."

You talking about Sonic Boom, or Sonic & Knuckles? About 20 years late to complain about that.
>> No. 223033
>>223022

I dunno, I found this cartoon sorta dull and too "safe." There's nothing terrible, but nothing that makes me go "Oh I gotta watch that!" as well.
>> No. 223035
Please please please say that the sonic boom designs won't be in the comic. They are god awful
>> No. 223036
Nope nope nope tape tape tape nope nope nope.

>>223019
Because the Nintendo DS is going to be the "third pillar" and will never replace the Game Boy line.

>>223033
Yes. It seems like standard schtick, too; I never cared for AoStH, I was a SatAM guy, so this does not interest me at all.
>> No. 223037
>>223022
Why is Amy a balloon animal?
>> No. 223039
>>223036
>Because the Nintendo DS is going to be the "third pillar" and will never replace the Game Boy line.
Nobody even kind of believed that.
Call me when Ian has to redesign Knux.

>>223033
The pitches for future episodes sound pretty funny. Can't judge it from so little.
>> No. 223040
>>223039
>The pitches for future episodes sound pretty funny. Can't judge it from so little.

I certainly won't rule it out entirely that they might improve/get better with the writing/concept. After all, Generator Rex was one of those shows where the first impression I got was "this is kinda dull and playing it too safe." Eventually during I think either season 2 or 3, near the end, the episodes really began to catch my interest. I was merely commenting on this one short itself.
>> No. 223042
The new Eggman is kinda sexy.
>> No. 223044
At least the cartoon looks decent. The game's aesthetic interests me so I'm cautiously optimistic for that.
>> No. 223045
>>223042
The problem though is that he's no longer shaped like an egg.
>> No. 223046
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Hahahahahaha.

God help me, I love it when Sonic thinks it can reinvent itself.
>> No. 223047
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>>223045
Look again.
>> No. 223048
>>223046
Game's either gonna play well but look like shit or look great and play like shit.

There is no compromise here.
>> No. 223049
>>223046
Oh god I know they sometimes leave Sonic a cyclops but I always thought they did it to all of them, with only Sonic it really is like he's a weird bi-clops.
>> No. 223052
>>223017

Man, Amy really looks like she wants that supersonic D.
>> No. 223053
>>223049
Amy has it too. It seems to be a hedgehog trait.

What I don't understand is the blue arms. Just why? If you were going to have Sonic have blue arms, why not make Amy's arms pink?
>> No. 223054
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>>223053
Why did Sonic shave his arms before?
>> No. 223055
>>223054
The difference is there's a lot of white in Silver and Shadow's designs. There's not enough tan in Sonic's for the colors to be balanced here.

Yeah yeah green eyes etc but this is different as there doesn't seem to be any understandable reason behind it.
>> No. 223056
>>223047
I would not mind seeing this eggman in the comic
>> No. 223057
>>223055
The reason is he looks better with blue arms, screw pseudo intellectuals who think they know "color balance" .
>> No. 223059
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>>223057
I dunno man. I still think these look better.
>> No. 223060
>>223056

Wait till the next reboot and I'm sure you will.
>> No. 223062
Christ, why is KKM such a pill?

>sigh. Sonic boom. 3rd wii u game

He's just awful.

(and don't start on forum drama when you talk bout Mav all the time here)
>> No. 223063
>>223062
I don't agree with him on this stuff, but god forbid the guy has a negative opinion about Sonic for once.
>> No. 223065
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My thoughts: Cartoon looks great, Knuckles looks hilariously bad, Game should be interesting, cool to see a western Sonic project again after all these years. Doesn't interfere with mainline games, so we get twice as much to look forward too.

Whirlwind of a day, but ultimately a good one. Glad Sonic is still relevant enough to get this kind of attention.
>> No. 223068
So is Archie going to do an adaption of the upcoming Sonic Boom game?
>> No. 223070
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>> No. 223072
>>223070
I get the joke but if that was Zero it would not look out of place at all.
>> No. 223073
>>223059
Good job, that looks great.
>> No. 223074
>>223062
Wouldn't call him a pill. A whiny cunt, maybe.

Man I wish we get some enterview or something explaining each of the steps in the design process, if only to understand blue arms. It's just... they changed the spikes to make the sillhouette unique. the long proportions and bandages make it more "post-apocalyptic action hero". The neckkerchief is a symbol of heroism, straight from westerns.

What purpose can making Sonic look too blue serve? The blue is a very strong colour, it needs the tan to counterpoint. Either that or also remove the tan belly, otherwise it just looks bizarre.

(still hate everything this product is doing visually anyways. gameplay looks interesting.)
>> No. 223077
>>223072
Or Protoman.
Or Bass.
Or X.
Or Axl.
Or Sigma. In fact Sigma kinda did it already.

I get the "joke", but Mega Man has no fucking room to talk about faux "cool" designs and unnecessary bullshit.
>> No. 223079
>>223077

Could you imagine giving protoman a scarf, ugh
>> No. 223086
>>223059
The designs really do look better when you take away all the extra stuff, don't they? Simpler, more appealing.
>> No. 223091
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>>223077
>> No. 223093
>>223091
Aside from DreadLuigi, I prefer these far more than the Sonic Boom designs. The bandages don't look as out of place because the cast is wearing, you know, clothes.
>> No. 223095
>>223093
>Aside from DreadLuigi
>ASIDE from DreadLuigi

I don't understand
>> No. 223099
>>223091
...Wooluigi?
>> No. 223100
>>223093
>>223099
He's Machete as Luigi. Not every big person with dreads is Wooly.
>> No. 223102
>>223091
This in authentic, because it's actually better than what it parodies, the bandages aren't attaching the shoes to their feet.
>> No. 223105
>>223059
No, that looks worse. Much worse.
>> No. 223106
>>223105
I'm sorry you like stupidly busy designs.
>> No. 223108
It's more /cog/ than /co/ but we've gotten the first footage for Mighty No. 9, and the design of the last Mighty No.

Proto-Shadow-Cut Man ftw.
>> No. 223111
Actually hold on I'm slow as fuck but

>>223063
>for once
I thought I was pretty negative about Sonic? Just ask me about SatAM :V
>> No. 223112
>>223111
Hey, KKM, what do you think of SatAM?

>>223108
Wish I'd found out about that before the kickstarter ended...
>> No. 223113
>>223112
Then you'd have funder's remorse?
>> No. 223114
>>223102
Sports tape attaching shoes to the legs is a common thing in sports. Running, football, I see that a lot.

As for this show and its design: don't mind it. It still really feels like Sonic and different shows have different styles, I don't mind the change, its really just sports tape for the show about runners and the big strong guy being built big and strong. But the trailer also makes it feel so sonic it feels sort of hollow and simple, but we'll see.

In the game however Sonic and Amy's face are animated super weird.
>> No. 223115
>>223106
I'm sorry you hate change.
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>>223114
Yeah the in game models look super bad, I don't actually mind the designs too much.
>> No. 223117
>>223115
No, just bad change.
>> No. 223118
>>223114
If you look closely, Amy has this derpy grin on her face.
>> No. 223121
>>223116
Well they are in a work in progress.
But ending the game trailer on the same note as the Bionic Commando reboot is not a good sign.
Unless thats Caterkiller because that would be awesome.

And I like the blue arms, makes my fell less bad about miscoloring him that one time...
Could still use a res jacket/vest but it can wait.

P.S
Eggmans voices is still boss.
>> No. 223143
Thinking about it, it would be cool if they coloured the sports tape to be the secondary colour for each character. Tails=blue, Sonic=red, Knuckles=Green , Amy=yellow or white. That way the tape is immediately differentiated from bandages for those unfamiliar and ads a bit more extreme sports pop.
>> No. 223150
>>223143
And make them look like the Fred Wolf Turtles instead of the nick ones.
Also here is what these dudes think because why not:
Sonic Boom dissectedyoutube thumb
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>> No. 223159
>>223153
To be fair, he still hasn't figured out his only job as Guardian of the Mater Emerald was to keep Chaos from getting out.
>> No. 223160
>>223159

Or... maybe he has. When was the last game Knuckles was actually guarding the Master Emerald?
>> No. 223167
>an actual character designer takes a jab at sonic characters
And here we are.
>> No. 223169
Ever since all this information came out, I've wondered if Eggman will be written like Baron Praxis, or the Master Emerald will have a role similar to the Precursor Stone. Hell the robots in the game trailer look similar in design to the Krimzon Guard.
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Sonic 257 spoilers are out.
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>>223178

So people, still doubting the comic is heading for an Unleashed adaptation?
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223180
Poorly timed jokes are the best jokes.
>> No. 223185
>>223178
If its the multiverse creating a backlash of energy that's making the planet blow up, how is it related to Dark Gaia?
>> No. 223186
>>223185
Just replace the multiverse backlash with Eggman's rail gun. He's being woken up early.
>> No. 223188
>>223185
It triggered the cycle early? Not really seeing where confusion would come from.
>> No. 223189
Think of it like this he's got to get up when his "alarm clock" goes off like normal like you would.

If someone blew up your fucking house and it didn't manage to kill you chances are you'd wake up without the alarm clock.
>> No. 223190
>>223189
Now someone needs to draw Dark Gaia taking a nap when his roof flies open.
>> No. 223191
>>223190
Chip curled up asleep at his "feet" at the foot of the bed.
>> No. 223194
This doesn't make sense. Sonic Team is a-ok with there being both a TV show and entirely new set of games that do their own thing and are separate from the main canon, yet they dictate for the comic what's ok and what isn't and try to make it as synonymous with game canon as possible?
>> No. 223195
>>223194

Because they want the Sonic comic to match the games and are treating Boom like it's own separate thing, like they did for Sonic X, only this time the spin off cartoon has a video game behind it.
>> No. 223198
>>223194
Because the comic is there to support the main franchise. Boom isn't.
>> No. 223207
>>223198
Not him but I'm pretty sure if Boom is intended to "revitalize Sonic in the west" it's supporting the main franchise as well.
>> No. 223208
Has Snively been mentioned in the new 252 yet?

Because if he isn't mentioned by the end of Shadow Fall, he's gone for good!
>> No. 223230
>>223208
Jesus, calm the fuck down. Do you seriously think there's some kind of hardcore deadline or something?
>> No. 223263
>>223230
He was mocking the overreacting assumptions about the new canon. I think. I honestly can't tell the difference between exaggerated mocking and the actual overreactions.
>> No. 223269
>>223230
>>223263
He was probably talking about how Ian said at Bumbleking that he'll have shown or namedropped all the returning SatAM people will be done by the end of Shadow Fall, but this guy did it in the stupidest way possible.

Either way, one of the letters pages already confirmed Snively to be returning, so this really isn't an issue.
>> No. 223282
>>223269
That's all I wanted to know, thank.s
>> No. 223286
So the first reploid in the preview...

Is that Green Biker Dude?
>> No. 223292
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223292
I love Brawl in the Family.
>> No. 223305
>>223286
"We built our first reploid! It's so advanced, it even argued with me! It took the complete opposite position... it hated my OTP... note to self, send green reploid on a suicide mission..."
>> No. 223307
>>223286

No the helmet design is wrong.
>> No. 223327
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ロックマンギガミック…youtube thumb

Incroyable!
>> No. 223335
>>223307
He could get a battle upgrade
>> No. 223343
>>223327

I would play this game.
>> No. 223357
>>223327
I still can't believe Ariga himself animated that. The man's incredible.

I may be remembering wrong but I think I read somewhere the Archie comics won't be adding anything from his take on MM. Which sucks, I really loved policeman Ring Man.
>> No. 223359
>>223357
>Ariga animated that.
The video description says otherwise.
>> No. 223362
LORE -- Mega Man X Lore in a Minute!youtube thumb
>> No. 223388
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It's happening
>> No. 223391
>>223357

It's the same as not stepping on the toes of StC in Archie's Sonic. Maybe if Ariga throws in a Stern/Krantz cameo Ian could reciprocate, but that'd be about it.
>> No. 223392
>>223388
Tails seems to name his planes after rollercoasters.
>> No. 223393
>>223392
>Tornado
>Twister
>Rollercoasters
I'm… fairly certain those words had another meaning before they were used to name rollercoasters.
>> No. 223395
>>223357
>>223391
IIRC it pretty much boiled down to Ian understandably not wanting to just spend his time in Mega Man copying what every other writer did. He'll keep true to the games, maybe make a mention every once in a while, but he wants to do his own story, not just adapt Megamix/Igehara's manga/etc
>> No. 223398
>>223392
...really dude? Really? You can't think of another theme at work there?
>> No. 223400
>>223398
Not him but I have no idea what you're looking at, Mav.
>> No. 223407
>>223400
We should stop calling everyone Mav.
>> No. 223410
>>223407
No, +/co/. Now you are the Mav.
>> No. 223411
>>223410
And so the Hunter has become the Hunted.
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>> No. 223415
>>223410
And then +/co/ was a bulletin board.

>>223412
Hahahahaha!
>> No. 223416
>>223400
How is it possible to be this stupid?
>> No. 223417
>>223416
Why not spell out what's happening in >>223388 so those of us not experienced in comic editing know what it means.
>> No. 223420
>>223417
It has nothing to do with editing. It's a matter of seeing two planes named "Tornado" and "Twister" and assuming they're named after rollercoasters, and not that the rollercoasters and planes are both named for the weather phenomena.
>> No. 223421
>>223420
Nobody saying they're not also weather phenomahna, but when you see both mentioned at once you think rollercoaster.
>> No. 223425
>>223421
honestly no more than I hear "milk" and "gin" in the same sentence and think LGBT American politicians, buddy
>> No. 223426
>>223421
You do? News to me.
>> No. 223427
>>223421
carnie plz
>> No. 223431
>>223421
I want Roller Coaster Tycoon addicts to leave +/co/.
Truly they are poisoning our insightful and meaningful discussion of whether Sanic's arms should be tan or blue and just how thoroughly X will kill the Classic book.
>> No. 223433
I seriously think I'm on the verge of joining Ian's forum simply to protest the absolutely crazy and ridiculously inefficient ideas people are pitching around for fixing the Wiki's continuity problem. Nobody actually pays attention to talk pages or discussions on the wiki itself and the guys at BK are honestly considering things as crazy as making two articles for every character that still exists instead of separating their histories into different pages or something, as if the wiki isn't cluttered with redundant articles as it is.
>> No. 223435
>>223433

Why not just update the characters that are still around with new info and update the old ones to where they were left off?
>> No. 223436
>>223435
>Too much clutter
>Not muh continuity
>Everything not new is useless

Keeping things as they are is going to make everyone upset, but the best option according to most people is to just make MORE articles and fill them with more useless data instead of actually looking for efficient solutions. Character pages aren't supposed to contain a synopsis of every single event the character ever participated in, but don't tell them that.
>> No. 223444
So, event wise, in the new 252 what has Sonic actually done with the Freedom Fighters?

We know Endgame didn't happen, so the first 50 issues of the comic can basically be written off.
We know Sally didn't get robotized so the events since 225 didn't happen.
Antoine and Bunnie basically confirmed that the Freedom Fighters didn't appear in the game adaptions of this universe.
The Free Comic Book day story appears to remove the possibility that Sonic knew them from his childhood.
Penders events certainly didn't happen.
And all the events with characters that don't exist i.e Mogul, Iron Queen, Enerjak can't have happened.

So, uh, what can they have done together? It's starting to feel like Sonic has barely any reason to be hanging out with these guys. They have no significant history left.
>> No. 223446
>>223444

Spinball.
>> No. 223447
>>223444
So, because certain awful, shitty things didn't happen to the characters, that means they've never interacted before. Kay.
>> No. 223449
I think the problem with the Wiki(s) is that people don't understand how they should be organized/formatted. Someone a thread or two ago pointed to a page for Sonic himself, which was a short novel as written by Tolstoy.

The point of a Wiki page is to straddle the line between brief and descriptive, providing enough about something/one as a leaping point but not going into heavy detail in their life. A Wiki is not a collection of in-depth biographies and should not contain every little nuance about someone.

In fact, here's Sonic's page on the archiesonic wikia: http://archiesonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog Let's look at the section titled "The Iron Dominion"; the opening sentences are:
>Later, when a concert was held to celebrate Eggman's defeat, Sally escorted Sonic to the Colosseum, where Mina's band were playing. Sally noticed that Sonic wasn't enjoying himself, and Sonic told her his thoughts on Eggman's breakdown after his defeat. Sally replied that Sonic should focus on the concert for the moment and enjoy himself.
This is completely and utterly worthless. It's good as part of the issue it comes from, and might be good as part of the article for a synopsis of the issue (though I'd argue that's still too much detail), but horrible for what is intended to be an overview of the character. Considering that the series is almost entirely about him, it might even be more prudent to just have a few paragraphs about general information and then lists of his various major events that would go to other Wiki articles about those events directly. Trying to do any more than that will just lead to discussing everything that ever happened in the comic. So the sections for him would be:
>Early Life
>Major Events
Which would be a list of the game changers, like formation of the Freedom Fighters, End Game, Xorda, Super Genesis Wave, with one or two sentences per item as a super-brief synopsis with a link to the more detailed article.
>Abilities
>Personality
>Important Associates
There's a better term for this, I'm sure.
>>Family
>>Friends
>>Relationships (?)

>>223433
>making two articles for every character that still exists
This is fine when the characters/places didn't cross the Wave (either they weren't part of the event or they didn't get their memories restored by Nicole.) We're not far in so we've only seen a small recurring cast in the comic, but look at the planet: not only has the name been dropped but major locations/areas have shifted, so it would get two entries:
>Mobius
>Sonic's World

But for more minor characters, I agree. Assuming Mina exists post-Wave, her part is likely still extremely minor, so she would have one article with a pre-Wave and post-Wave history. Characters like King Acorn may be better served by having only one, since so far he's only been a bit character post-Wave; however, if his role in the comic expands, it may become prudent to split him into two articles. There are certain characters that will likely have moderate roles, like Muttski and Uncle Chuck, where we may as well get a new article started now.
>> No. 223451
>Omochao is apparently part of the Freedom Fighters now
SHUT UP OMOCHAO I KNOW HOW TO USE A JUMP PAD

>>223444
There is a lot we don't know. Ian had to be concise with the "everyone gets their memories back" thing to get new readers to stick around; essentially, the first five-six issues after the SGW were a hybrid series recap/series re-introduction.

Even with none of those events, Ian has a whole new history of "Sonic's World" to craft, albeit one that ties in with the games far more. And there's >>223446, at the very least.
>> No. 223452
>>223433
Psst. Some of us who suggested these terrible split article ideas are here at /co/ too.

My thinking's pretty much what Autonywork said at the bottom of >>223449 . When someone's split history starts to get big, having one article for them makes it a bit of a mess to sort through, especially when stuff like Sonic Origins comes into play giving them more backstory.
>> No. 223453
I wish Sonic had just rebooted. I hate that comics has this inability to make a clean break. The half dozen DC reboots that required mini-reboots in between them. Spider-Man's marriage. You can't have it both ways where you want to get rid of continuity but not really get rid of it.

No more half measures, Walter.
>> No. 223454
>>223453
A full reboot would've caused a much bigger uproar than this did.

>Spider-Man's marriage
Bad for a lot more than just being a half-reboot.
>> No. 223455
>>223454
Same anon. Meant the One More Day part here, not the marriage itself even though I made it sound like that.
>> No. 223456
>>223454
No, it wouldn't have. The exact same people making noise about hating it would still have hated it. There aren't fans liking the current direction only because the old stories that will never have resolution technically still happened.
>> No. 223458
>>223454
Agreed, because
>>223453
> make a clean break
will never be defined within the community in a way that would even make the bare majority happy. Where would such a break occur? When Sally gets de-roboticized? When Knuckles gets the rest of the Echidnas back? (Speaking of, I hope we haven't completely lost Thrash, I thought he was a good character.) When Eggman is taken down for good? When Naugus perishes or pulls a Mogul? Hey, what about Mogul, are most people happy with him just running a Casino for a few decades while he waits for Sonic to die? What about Snively and Regina?

There were so many open plot lines (and potential plot lines) within the series pre-Wave that, even tackling each line one per issue, it would have taken a year to bring "closure" and then people would still be pissed because whatever plot they were the most interested in would basically be washed over. Or you tackle some but not others, making some people less mad but others more mad. And during all of this you have the Pendering hanging over you.

I don't like sudden world re-writes, either, but there was so much pressure--internal and external--going on at Archie that it had to happen. Unless something like this is planned years in advance, there's no way to make a clean break.

(Speaking of loose threads, did Ian ever answer those questions about where plot lines would have gone had he been able to see them through? I assume it's on BK; anyone have a link to the thread?)
>> No. 223460
>>223444
That is the biggest obvious doomsaying leap of logic I've seen on the reboot, and that's accounting for "why is Sonic named after his planet."
>> No. 223462
>>223456
>The exact same people making noise about hating it would still have hated it.
Which is exactly why it would've been worse: Those people would've hated it, plus more people. There've been more than a few out there saying they're glad it wasn't a full reboot.


>>223458
>Speaking of, I hope we haven't completely lost Thrash, I thought he was a good character.
Ian said on Twitter not long ago that he's working out what to do with Thrash's backstory.


>Speaking of loose threads, did Ian ever answer those questions about where plot lines would have gone had he been able to see them through?
He said it's going to take a while to finish that. His guess was it might be out in the summer.
>> No. 223463
>>223460
>why is Sonic named after his planet
my sides

>>223462
Thanks
>> No. 223465
>>223458
What are you going on about? A clean break is defined. It was 252...or it could have been. And an ending isn't some undefinable thing that requires a year and every single plot thread to be wrapped up. They could have sent the old stuff off in an issue. Or a panel. Or just ignored it like they ultimately did. It didn't matter anymore. They had to move on.

>>223462
>Those people would've hated it, plus more people.
You don't know that anymore than I can claim a full reboot would've brought in even more new readers.
>> No. 223466
>>223465
>You don't know that anymore than I can claim a full reboot would've brought in even more new readers.
...I just said that there've been people saying they're glad it wasn't a full reboot. It doesn't get much more clear-cut than that.
>> No. 223467
>>223466
And some people wish it had been a full reboot. It all evens out!
>> No. 223468
>>223467
Fair enough.
>> No. 223471
>>223452
>Psst. Some of us who suggested these terrible split article ideas are here at /co/ too.
You say that like I should be nicer just because people can see what I say. I'm not talking down about the idea of splitting some things, I'm more than fine with that. It makes sense. I'm talking down about absolutely idiotic ideas like having a "Prime Sonic" and a "Nu Sonic" article. We can just as easily make the "history" section its own page(s) and keep the main article neutral.

That said...I'm not sure if any of the characters that have changed enough to warrant a second article are actually relevant enough to deserve one. I mean, look at Muttski. He wasn't really anything before, and Nicole doesn't exactly have a separate article for her handheld incarnation...

Maybe something like a category for things (events, places) that fall just in the "Prime" canon and one for things in current canon could help somehow?
>> No. 223472
>>223447
If you think the events of the entire previous timeline is just one shitty, awful thing, then a respectfully disagree.

>>223460
Whatever dude, but with every new issue it's appearing more and more like this timeline's Freedom Fighters are just some random group of mercs Sonic hangs out with while his not on a real adventure.

Hell, with Freedom HQ gone they don't even appear to have had a base of operations until Tails and Rotor just built the Skypatrol. What are the implications of that huh? Did they just form the group last week? Have the new Freedom Fighters been conducting all of their affairs in Sonic's kitchen?
Everything in this new timeline has been pointing to what I'm talking about.

This "doomsaying" crap reeks awfully familiar of the dismissive bull people said when people were concerned there was gonna be a reboot.
>> No. 223473
>>223472
I never said everything. I said "certain." You know, like how you specified Sally getting Roboticized or the events of Endgame (and given how utterly nonsensical Endgame was, can you really say a story is worse off not having to deal with that kind of bullshit in its past?).

>Hell, with Freedom HQ gone they don't even appear to have had a base of operations until Tails and Rotor just built the Skypatrol. What are the implications of that huh? Did they just form the group last week? Have the new Freedom Fighters been conducting all of their affairs in Sonic's kitchen?


There are no "implications." In the past they didn't really HAVE a dedicated base of operations until 160 issues in. By your logic, there was no "Freedom Fighters" before that because they were just operating out of their homes (Knothole and Motobropolis). Both of those places exist currently, so unless you think there's no reason they couldn't have been AGAIN operating out of Knothole or Mobotropolis before deciding to build a mobile base of operations, your argument is pretty much null.
>> No. 223474
>>223472
>Whatever dude, but with every new issue it's appearing more and more like this timeline's Freedom Fighters are just some random group of mercs Sonic hangs out with while his not on a real adventure.
That is completely 100% in your head. I say that with no predictions of the future, with no illusions of "the book will become everything you want." Unless you think that the history was literally erased to "nothing has ever happened except the games and they weren't part of it" and that they needed 250 issues to become friends, then your claim is absolute bullshit.

Because it's bullshit.
>> No. 223475
>>223472
>If you think the events of the entire previous timeline is just one shitty, awful thing, then a respectfully disagree.
I'm pretty sure they meant "Robotnik doesn't die =/= Sonic doesn't fight the French Frirus".

>Sonic and friends act like they just met up
Except for that whole part where they've been a group so long that Ant and Bun hooked up and got married. And the part where they're all very familiar with each other.

We're back at an "issue 1" state where it's implicit that they've had plenty of previous adventures but they haven't been shown to us because...well, how the hell are you going to do that without interrupting the current story?
>> No. 223477
>>223471
>"You say that like I should be nicer just because people can see what I say."
Nah, just saying I could see you over here too, since it sounded like you thought signing up was the only way to tell us you thought it was terrible. Though seeing it put like that made me laugh a bit. Nothing against you, just amused me.

Anyway, Luger wanted to split the FFs articles into two in the first place, and he's in charge of the wiki. I don't have a problem with splitting them, but I didn't like his suggestion to leave the Prime ones as the main articles and put the Nu ones as side articles when they're the main story now. That's just...what. So I suggested making the Nu one the main and making Prime its own thing instead.

But I get your point, though, and I actually kind of agree. Just moving history to its own page(s) while leaving the main article neutral would probably solve it all a lot easier for the long pages without even having to do anything to short ones like Muttski's page.

I'll post it over in the topic, see what everyone else thinks.


>>223475
>"Sonic doesn't fight the French Frirus"
You mean you didn't like seeing the Freedom Fighters beat up a French stereotype with crowbars while dressed as old women?
>> No. 223478
>>223473
Dude, what are you talking about? Claiming the old limestone cavern as their base was one of the first things they did after forming the Freedom Fighters, canonically. It was refurnished in 160 after a period of disuse, after Sonic had been in space for a year and shit, but Freedom HQ existed from the very first issue of the comic.

>>223474
>"nothing has ever happened except the games and they weren't part of it" and that they needed 250 issues to become friends, then your claim is absolute bullshit.

I am saying that is what has appeared to happened.

It appears there is scant few events from the previous timeline has happened. Maybe... 90%+ of their history has been wiped from existence.

And they haven't had 250 issues to become friends in this new timeline. You're operating under the false assumption that for every issue of the old timeline, every comic that now had been decanonfied, a hypothetical substitute comic we just can't see depicting events and adventures we just can't know about replaced them. That wrong. They're not even working on the same time scale. We don't even know how long they've known each other, probably less than a year if the Free Comic Book day solicits are correct.

>>223475
>Sonic and friends act like they just met up
No I didn't say that. Don't misrepresent me.

>We're back at an "issue 1" state where it's implicit that they've had plenty of previous adventures but they haven't been shown to us because...well, how the hell are you going to do that without interrupting the current story?

I flat out do not believe we will ever see these mythical "adventures" that are implied to have happened. We'll see the origin story, because that's kinda important.

But we aren't gonna see Ian skipping back to the between-time of the events before Heroes yet after SA2, or whatever between-time you choose. That's just not realistic. That's not how Flynn writes, he writes linear stories. At best we can hope for is a flash back, but why would we flashback to a time period that is never going to be expanded as part of a plot?? You don't just flash back to arbitrary time periods with no plot significance.

Bah, you'll ignore how unrealistic this is because it's a technically that suits your argument. Technically Ian COULD go back and expand on the between-time between games. Technically he COULD stop the comic going forward and revisit a time period that is irrelevant to the SEGA games plot. He won't though. Hell, we'll be lucky if he chooses to revisit and adapt the actual games, let alone the between time.
>> No. 223479
>>223478
>I flat out do not believe we will ever see these mythical "adventures" that are implied to have happened.

We don't need to. We're not saying we're getting their entire history up from when they first met until just now. We're saying we don't need that shit to assume they're friends, just like we didn't need that shit in issue 1 or at whatever issue a person picked up the story without reading every single back issue. You're assuming that because we didn't see literally everything that's happened to them, nothing must have happened. And you're assuming this because some very specific events aren't canon. It's amazing the lengths you're going to here to make yourself angry.
>> No. 223480
>>223478
>And they haven't had 250 issues to become friends in this new timeline. You're operating under the false assumption that for every issue of the old timeline, every comic that now had been decanonfied, a hypothetical substitute comic we just can't see depicting events and adventures we just can't know about replaced them. That wrong. They're not even working on the same time scale. We don't even know how long they've known each other, probably less than a year if the Free Comic Book day solicits are correct.

Back in #0, they didn't have 250 issues to become friends either, but aside from the ones who hadn't even appeared yet, they were already friends. At the time, we didn't even know how long they'd known each other then, too.

Like Penguin God said, we don't need to see every moment that happened in between them meeting and the present. We barely saw anything from the nearly ten years from Sonic Kids to #0.
>> No. 223482
>>223479
>you're assuming this because some very specific events aren't canon
You mean 90% of the old timeline. No need for vague allusions.

>We don't need to
>You're assuming that because we didn't see literally everything that's happened to them, nothing must have happened.

I don't think we "need" to see their past adventures. But I think it's pretty cheap and lame to invent a new history with Sonic for characters who have no other franchise presence than a non-canon cartoon and just say it was full of all these epic adventures that will never get expanded on. You know inventing off-screen histories that make OCs best friends with protagonists is a core trait of fanfictions.

If this is how it's gonna be it would frankly have been better to just begin anew, have Countdown to Chaos be about Sonic meeting the FF for the first time rather than dooming us to a future of
Sonic: Hey Sal, remember that time we beat Eggman offscreen together
Sally: Yeah, we have so much history that the audience will never know about
>> No. 223484
>>223482
>But I think it's pretty cheap and lame to invent a new history with Sonic for characters who have no other franchise presence than a non-canon cartoon and just say it was full of all these epic adventures that will never get expanded on. You know inventing off-screen histories that make OCs best friends with protagonists is a core trait of fanfictions.

And back at the start of the series, in both the comic and SatAM, they beat Robotnik quite a bit offscreen in adventures the audience never saw. We knew they'd been fighting him for years, but we never saw most of the pre-#0 adventures. They were just already friends with the protagonist for years to begin with.
>> No. 223485
>>223480
>Back in #0, they didn't have 250 issues to become friends either,
Yeah and back at #0 Sonic also didn't already have a huge history of canon adventures with heaps of other friends.

They had a sensible reason to be together, a specific plot to get back their kingdom. Which is kind of different from Sonic and the Freedom Fighters just forming the Skypatrol to police Sonic's World until time ends or people stop doing bad things.

>We barely saw anything from the nearly ten years from Sonic Kids to #0.
Well that's irrelevant, because what we did see was almost 250 issues of them building together a meaningful history.
It's a kick in the teeth to suggest 250 issues of history is equivalent to being the inbetweeners of the new game verse archie.
>> No. 223487
>>223484
Satam isn't canon. And the beginning of the old comic is not an equivalent situation, for reasons I point out here >>223485, sonic didn't have a deep canon history at that point, and because it was fundamentally not the same type of story. It was a funnybook, looney tunes, it didn't care about continuity. Unlike the modern book which is continuity driven and relies on a good plot, not funny jokes.
>> No. 223488
>>223485
>They had a sensible reason to be together, a specific plot to get back their kingdom.
And now their reason to be together is to take down Eggman, who still seems to have tricked the King in the past. It's a (slightly) different reason to be together, but it's still a sensible one. It looks like Origins is going to expand on it further.

>Well that's irrelevant, because what we did see was almost 250 issues of them building together a meaningful history.
How is it irrelevant? The 250 issues followed issue #0. The series didn't start with 250 issues of continuity. It started with "Sonic and his friends fight Robotnik, and have been fighting him for a while." That's where we are now as well.


>>223487
>Satam isn't canon.
Never said it was. I said that in both SatAM in the comic, they started off having already been fighting Eggman offscreen for a while, which is what you're complaining about the current comic having.

>sonic didn't have a deep canon history at that point, and because it was fundamentally not the same type of story. It was a funnybook, looney tunes, it didn't care about continuity. Unlike the modern book which is continuity driven and relies on a good plot, not funny jokes.
So? That's still what the first 250 issues of the comic were started up on. That's where the comic had its origin.
>> No. 223491
>>223488
You're conflating issues here. They're related issues, but not homogenous.

The (A) "Narrative would be better served if Sonic was just meeting the FF for the first time instead of inventing a phony history"

is separate from the (B) "It's a kick in the teeth to call the offscreen, inbetweener history of the FF in the new timeline as anyway equivalent to the 250 issues of real history the old timeline built up"

The first issue is about writing quality. The second is about characters getting the shaft and history being rubbished.

>And now their reason to be together is to take down Eggman, who still seems to have tricked the King in the past. It's a (slightly) different reason to be together, but it's still a sensible one. It looks like Origins is going to expand on it further.

No, it's not really. It conflicts with Sonic's personality, his carefree nature as depicted in the games.
He's not supposed to be the police or justice league. He's just supposed to be cool dude who reacts to Eggmans schemes.

It made sense in the old timeline for him to stick with the Freedom Fighters because he had history with them, and he started his FF career for a specific purpose with them unlike the generic "hunt down Eggman forever". It actually kind of strained belief that he continued with them forever, and was a common criticism of the old comic that Sonic was too involved in the FF, but it at least had a reasonable foundation for why it was that way. Not anymore. Not now that they're the guys Sonic hangs out with when he's not on a real adventure.

>How is it irrelevant?
Because you're conflating the issues, treating an issue about (B) as a pure writing quality problem, when it's about meaningfulness to the narrative.
It's completely irrelevant that we missed a few unimportant years of Sonic and friends growing up in the old timeline compared to the total gap in history that the new timeline creates. You're ignoring the total disparity that is nearly 250 issues of history and canon built up over time being traded-off for offscreen inbetweener antics, because you're so focused in on insignificant time skip and how you incorrectly believe it equates to problem (A).

>I said that in both SatAM in the comic, they started off having already been fighting Eggman offscreen for a while, which is what you're complaining about the current comic having.
>So?
So it's simply not a equivalent situation, for reasons I've already listed. Comparing the start of Archie Sonic to the beginning of 252 is like comparing apples to oranges, they're not even the same genera.
Classic Archie could "get away" with inventing a history for these characters before because they were working on what was essentially a blank slate (Yeah we all know Classic Sonic had a deeper lore in the games manual lets not get into THAT argument).
Not so anymore. Sonic has a huge canon backlog, used in the comic. He has an established cast of friends with defined roles. A well defined history.

And Classic Sonic, as a comedy, was not based on plot, which is important because it's plot was subservient to jokes, people didn't buy the comic expecting a compelling or even coherent story, they expected action and funny. The characters were simply stereotypes meant to fill roles.

Not so for Modern Sonic, this is a comic probably the most continuity based thing in the whole Sonic franchise at the moment. It depends on a compelling plot and interesting characters. Modern Sonic is held to a higher standard.

This is too much fucking writing.
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223492
Oh my god! You fucking cares? Do we really need to know every facet of their history to enjoy the new stories? If there's any new background we need to care about it'll be explained and then we can move on.
>> No. 223493
>>223492
I'm sorry we can't all be as cool and aloof as you bro, some people just care about what they like.
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>> No. 223500
>>223400
Wasn't me.
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