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219771 No. 219771
Do you like aztecs /co/?
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>> No. 219887
The good doesn't wash the bad, nor the bad the good.
>> No. 219888
>>219887

He's not trying to. He's just pointing out the good and the bad, not making excuses for one on behalf of The other.
>> No. 219918
This is a cartoon about a rarely-seen-in-media ancient culture by people who seem to be from Mexico and thus have a better chance of delivering a non-stereotyped portrayal of Aztecs than the shit you find in American cartoons by white people.

Speaking of white people, going by your logic, we shouldn't make stories set in the United States or Australia starring white people if they don't repeatedly go into gruesome detail bout how white people claimed a continent that was already populated for their own, and then fucking decimated the people who already lived there with guns and alcohol and smallpox. And then, once they were established, the new Americans kidnapped innocent people from Africa and forced the people who managed to survive a trip across the Atlantic Ocean into slavery. The status of "slave" in America was inherited from parent to child and they had no hope for freedom (unlike Aztec slaves, who were mainly criminals, war prisoners and debtors who could buy their freedom, were often freed upon their owner's death, and their children would not inherit their slave status).

You guys don't get to demand that the Aztecs be portrayed as monsters in one of the few cartoons made of their culture when you don't portray your own people as monsters in your own media, even by all accounts, white colonialists are just as bad as they come. Shut up.
>> No. 219928
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>>219918
Interesting discussion you had anons about this project we are working about it.

I see anons upset about the bad side of the aztecs, mostly of the sacrifices, we are not trying to show the aztecs as innocent people destroyed by the savages spaniards, as many people think, we are trying to show another face of them, with their virtues and vices, with their great archivements and mistakes, we investigad with a lot of people, expert in the aztecs as Eduardo Matos Moctezuma, and Miguel León Portilla, people who shared us their knowledge with us.

Even we speak with the nahua people, the descedents of the aztec people, who tell us about their past, and even with a indigenous priest who worshipped their old gods, mostly all the information collected its to develop in a proper way the plot of the future movies and series

The mark of the jaguar take the history and myth in one, putting adventure, romance, fiction and humor, its a project we want to share with all the people, but sadly we suffer from funds, because the mexican goverment doesn´t support us, bu we are not surrender, sadly our kick its not going very well, so we are thinking in create a webcomic or a 2d videogame about the mark of the jaguar.

Also, please, ask me anything about you want to know of the project, as plot, characters, resources, inspirations, anything you want.
>> No. 219931
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>>219918
>Speaking of white people, going by your logic, we shouldn't make stories set in the United States or Australia starring white people if they don't repeatedly go into gruesome detail bout how white people claimed a continent that was already populated for their own, and then fucking decimated the people who already lived there with guns and alcohol and smallpox. And then, once they were established, the new Americans kidnapped innocent people from Africa and forced the people who managed to survive a trip across the Atlantic Ocean into slavery. The status of "slave" in America was inherited from parent to child and they had no hope for freedom (unlike Aztec slaves, who were mainly criminals, war prisoners and debtors who could buy their freedom, were often freed upon their owner's death, and their children would not inherit their slave status).

Well... yeah? I mean, if cartoons are set in the time period when that was going on, yeah, definitely.

And you left out a lot of shit Christopher "Why does this fucking bastard still have a holiday?" Columbus did.

>>219918
>Aztecs ... in American cartoons by white people.
Like?
>> No. 219933
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219933
Well I dont give a fuck about people.
Now mythology on the other hand, there is where you can find some fun stuff to retell.
>> No. 219934
>>219931
>Like?
Road to El Dorado is the only one that comes to mind, though they were as much Mayan or Incan as they were Aztec.
>> No. 219936
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219936
So much potential.
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>>219936
>> No. 219941
>>219934
A. Not Aztecs.
B. If we say "close enough" it still doesn't back up Anon's claims that the Aztecs get depicted badly in white dude cartoons. The cityfolk were depicted as being pretty cool for the most part, aside from one guy that was a massive prick. And Cortez was rightfully shown to be a gigantic asshole.
>> No. 219942
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>>219937
Neat.
Also just look at this list.
>> No. 219945
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>>219942
This is our version of Quetzatcoatl.
>> No. 219948
>>219945
I confess I was expecting The Feathered Serpent to be a little more... colorful.
>> No. 219950
>>219948
Its the human form, in their nahual version, it will be the feathered serpent.
>> No. 219953
Oh. Oh shit, its you guys working on this?

Look, I'm into it.
Just
Man, don't call it an anime.
I know why you'd do it. Maybe you guys don't like it either, but you gotta appeal to the 'frikis' and all that.
But its still a huge disservice to what you're doing. Anime isn't a genre, but yknow.

Whatever. Gonna keep quiet bout the whole Moral issues. Not a fan of sacrifices, yeah. But me, I'm sticking to my guns that the spanish invasion fucked up mexican society forever.

...Whatever.
Suerte, guys.

Also, been wondering
Is it true there's a fuckload of animation studios in Guadalajara?
>> No. 219955
On one hand I am super excited about what you are trying to do, it sounds really neat, on the other I have to agree with >>219953
so yeah, good luck.
>> No. 220165
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http://www.zotzcomic.com
>> No. 220181
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220181
Wow. I was really excited about this project and now I found it here with the people onboard. If you guys haven't supported this project already, the Kickstarter is here:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ocelotlco/the-mark-of-the-jaguar

I can't add anything that wasn't already said regarding the grimmer histories of the Aztecs, but it looks like you guys have a firm grasp, and at the very least, did your homework. I'll support that far more than most around here.

Thank you for posting your concept sketches, the costumery and
art of the Meso era has always been a favorite of mine, one that you don't see replicated virtually at all, and your designs really show their depth of accuracy and creativity handling this. The mesoamerican mythos are unmined for all the creative gold.

I'll be honest, I'll be happy to see anything you're able to get out of this project, even if it comes through anything less than a movie.

I wish you guys a ton of support!

Question: Were you intending on including other Mesoamerican cultures, or would that be a far reaching expanded universe kind of thing?

Request: Please include a Legends of the Hidden Temple cameo at least once in any way. I need it in my life.
>> No. 220185
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>>220181
Hi there, thanks a lot for your support, we are trying to do our best in making this project alive, sadly the mexican goverment doesn´t support us very well, and our kickstarter its going a bit slow, we need to hurry in promote.

Anyway, i will respond your questions.

1.- Yes, we are including other people from mesoamerica as zapotecs, mixtecs, mayans, cholultecas, purepechas, and even the pipil people from el salvador.

We are thinkin in include some AU, using concepts as golems, the intervention of the gods in the political life of the aztecs, spaniards defeated and all that things.

2.-Why not?, we are taking feedback from the people who support our project, one of the things we are planning for the next year its a webcomic for the project to show more about the univeres of the mar of the jaguar.
>> No. 220376
Well, sacrifices and barbarism aside, look at it this way!
These guys had indoor plumbing and both private and a public school system before the europeans!
Hell, education was better in the pre-hispanic era than it is now in half the nation!

>>220185
>the mexican goverment
Aka, Televisa. :P
I think you'd have a better shot going with more private companies. I've some wording with people in publishing and such, and they've all agreed its a safer bet to do so in Mexico, considering "internet culture" is several years behind here, and print and television still have some life in them.

I hear Fox actually wants some more mexican productions, so if the Patada doesn't work, maybe give them a pitch.

...
But seriously, how's the animation stuff in Guadalajara?
...
...And seriously, drop the anime moniker. Thats a regional title not a genre, c'mon I really like this but srsly dood
>> No. 220679
Seriously though, private investment is totally an option.
>> No. 221179
Looks cool. I'll probably spring for the digital concept art. I think if you were making an actual short and advertised a bit better you'd be getting a lot more money.
>> No. 221182
How about Carlos Slim? Is he easily approachable?
>> No. 221186
>>221179

That sounds like a good idea. Try to make a pilot episode instead of a whole series, and then people/investors might be more interested.

I know that's easier said than done though.
>> No. 221266
>>221182
Pfhahah.
That might be a bit much, but actual networks or producers are easily approachable.
>> No. 221268
>>221266
I could possibly see Cartoon Network or maybe more likely The Hub Network beimg interested maybe even Disney. But yea at this moment the networks are easier to get into at certain levels because those people were like you not that many years ago. Heck I wouldn't be seriously considering that the pitch I'm working on could catch an ear at Disney ten years ago but now its a more open game.
>> No. 221297
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>>221268
Thanks a lot for your feedback guys, actually we are looking for the next year private investment, the director in february will make a trip to Germany to show the project in search of investment, but we are planning a little webcomic and a 2d videogame about the project.
>> No. 221298
>>221297
what you've shown so far it would work well as a Volgarr/Zelda 2 ish type game paired with the web comic.
>> No. 221325
>>221297
Sounds great! Good luck, and I hope to enjoy your work in the near future.
>> No. 221348
>>221298

I wonder if a webcomic with videogame segments in the vein of Prequel could work?
>> No. 221441
>>219814
Really late to the party but; what is up with the cock-socks a few of the men are wearing?
>> No. 221447
>>221441
typical Aztec dress.
>> No. 221462
>>221441
fanservice for the ladies
>> No. 221464
You know, I am super excited to find out about this.
I'm going to admit, I've been interested in Aztec mythology for a while now; but I haven't ever found an outlet for that interest.
Almost came close in a game of Scion, but the ST said the game took place in Japan and there wasn't any way to get him there.

Even briefly tried to make my own sort of game in Mutants and Masterminds.
But I just couldn't find enough information.
>> No. 221466
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>>221348
The game plot its about the first total war against the aztec empire and the Tlaxcallan empire in the year of 1515, the main character (Xilacatzin) guided by Popohcatzin, the nahual wizard, will try to prevent this war, we are trying to create a mix of a 2d videogame with rpg elements as Baldurs Gate for example.
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bump
>> No. 222058
http://signup.viacom.com/NickShortsPitches/NickShortsPitchSubmission.aspx

project dudes you still hanging around nick is opening for short animation pitches
>> No. 222080
>>222058

Hope you're prepared to wait ten years before you're actually on TV
>> No. 222082
>>222080
Heck fielding things as much as possible. I've playing with a few ideas that I think would be good.
>> No. 222110
>>222082
Hi there, sadly we are projecting to get funds to the film in august, but they are good news, we are planning the webcomic of the project, a probably date of launch of the webcomic its in the middle of february, suggestions about the webcomic are glady welcome.
>> No. 222115
>>222110
that's good, show off the comic when you start on it the new Patreon site might be a help get some cash for the week to week.
>> No. 222720
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Take a look anons.
>> No. 222961
Looks good
>> No. 223032
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a bit look
>> No. 223041
>>223032
That is s great looking layout.
>> No. 223461
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Th last view of the future webcomic
>> No. 223464
Sorry to not see it animated, but glad that this is still going, and still looks amazing in every way.
>> No. 224114
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>> No. 225667
>>225666
Nice
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