>>222044
> it was simply because his presence that set her off.
Which I'm sure is based on shit he's pulled before.

And the monarch thing seems to be linked to the crowns in some way.

>>222084
Not every princess has a magical crown like the one's showcased in The Lich. It would also kind of mean that PB recognizes Ice King as true royalty, which I kind of doubt.

>>222143
I don't think anyone has denied the Ice King's status as royalty. No one other than him and maybe a Gunther or two really WANTS the Ice Kingdom, after all, and he DOES have a crown.

That was my favorite episode of Adventure time.

Looks like the next sword Finn gets he'll need a new arm with.

The episode went in a different direction than I thought that it was going to, which was both a nice surprise and a set up for a later joke.

Looking forward to whenever he comes back later on.

HALF-BAKED NO MORE!!!

Wow, this is really getting obnoxiously bad, Finn is just godawful.

Adventure Time, please stop trying to make me despise Finn, this is just too much and you're too good at it.

>Cinamon BunXFP
What

The writing is just so awful over time.

>>223283
Well someone is just acting out cause of their ex aren't they.

Finn was kind of annoying, but I didn't mind too much, mostly because he wasn't the focus of the episode. I really liked how Cinnamun Bun's developed over the series, and how the removal of the sugary glaze from his face represents an outright rejection of the glazed-over outlook on life that's been obscuring what's actually a rather keen sense of perception. Also, I think FP x CB is adorable, if only because I expect them, that guy who wanted to be a chef, and Jalapeño Pepper to make the Fire Kingdom into another food-themed kingdom. Even that old lady who poisoned her did so with fancy tea, so I'm seeing a lot of potential for things to get culinary.
What I'm more curious about right now, though, is FP's less evil relatives. There's her older brother, who's protective of her but was willing to serve in her dad's military, her younger brothers, who we don't know much bout but who might look up to her, and her aunt and uncle, who, while judgmental, didn't kill Flame King for the throne like he killed their brother. Furnius and Torcho might even be on good enough terms with her now that she's locked up dad, though Furnius at least has the "Let's use ice just because it's more painful." thing going against him.

>>223281
Romance always sucks. It ruins everything.

>>223296
No it doesn't, but it's sure as hell godawful here.

>>223298
Well I was talking in reference to shows like Legend of Korra, Thundercats 2011, Regular Show, Gravity Falls, etc.

As far as AT is concerned, the whole crush/romantic side of Finn is inherently the worst part of his character. It may come down to the writers, but I cannot bring myself to like Finn whenever he's in his love obsessed phases. Enough so that I wonder if I even enjoy AT as much as I used to. To put it into perspective I LOVED that Cinnamon Bun cock blocked Finn because I felt he deserved it.

So... uh... haven't seen the latest ep, but... theoretically... to a couple that both love Finn-FP as a couple, and both hate Cinnamon Bun, and who were planning on watching the latest Adventure Time on Valentine's Day by the power of TiVO... you think the theoretical couple should be making other plans now?

>>223300
Yes, not so much cuz of the love thing but because it's terrible.

>>223299
>Well I was talking in reference to shows like Legend of Korra, Thundercats 2011, Regular Show, Gravity Falls,

TMNT, Young Justice, Venture Bros... holy crap, they're ALL turning into Venture Bros when it comes to love. "YOU WILL FAIL, GET USED TO IT" in every show...

>>223304
Cue ep where Finn tries to woo FP with a song, accidentally setting fire to a cross. Then her dad comes out and goes "she's not here. Need a ride home?"

>>223300
It's a terrible episode where the characters go consistently out-of-character and nothing is gained from it. Boring and so blatantly set up just to close an already closed plot line that calling it a waste of time is being too nice.

So are there two cinnomon buns now?

>>223304
>>223299
Ben Ten is using up all the Pimp allowed this generation.

>>223309
I'd go so far as to call it the worst episode, but that will always belong to Frost & Fire.

Did any romance in Young Justice turn out well in the end? I gave up on the show for a variety of reasons, but it'd be nice to get an idea just how much of a trend this is.

XTC - I'm the Man Who Murdered…

>Basically Finn

>>223300
Honey, just read Playing with Fire with that special someone of yours while playing some chill, gentle music in the background. It's like an OVA by Studio Ghibli in comic book form.

>>223318
>>223316
>>223309
>>223308
>>223304
>>223296
That goes for you guys, too.

>>223320
I did, I really liked it, which is part of the reason I find the episodes so gross.

>>223318
The romance in Young Justice was pretty awful overall. They focused on romance between Bumblebee and her boyfriend was a waste of time (both of them being minor characters). Add in stupid opposites attract in S1 with Kid Flash/Artemis. Then you got the worst one, Superboy/Miss Martian. Felt forced and the characters sucked in S1. Then came S2 and Miss Martian is dating a lame character who no one liked (due to how ugly he was for starters). The reason being Miss Martian canonically mind raped Super Boy and she was never punished for doing that and then at the end its implied that Superboy gets back together with his mind rapist.

Seriously, romance was atrocious in Young Justice. Its a shame because Greg Weisman overlooked decent romance in Gargoyles, so this was just a big bag of do not want on his behalf.

>>223300
I liked it, but agree it wouldn't be the best time to watch. If you like Regular Show's High Five Ghost, I'd go with the latest of that instead.

>>223320
Except reading that just makes watching the awful writing of the show worse.

>>223322
Sounds like you're just prejudiced against fishface people.

Sounds like people are taking this show a little too seriously.
Including the writers themselves.

>>223339
If the writers were actually taking their job seriously then the quality might actually be better.

>>223342
I just don't think they should bother with all this uninteresting relationship stuff. This show shines when it delves into the bizarre and fantastic. This romance stuff bogs it down.

>>223346
This is true, they make Finn incredibly creepy and pathetic with this stuff each time, I like my fair share of romance but it brings nothing positive to AT and we could do without it.

And its a disturbing contrast to when he's adventurous.In those situations his wreckless nature works for himself. But in these situation that kinda stuff goes into disturbing self abuse.

They've discovered that shitting up the show with love triangles and breakups and drama normally reserved for trashy soap operas rakes in the retard shipper audience

There's no saving it now

>The writers
>The writers
>The writers

Okay, they're not the fucking Borg.

Incendium: Adam Muto, Rebecca Sugar
Hot to the Touch: Cole Sanchez, Rebecca Sugar
Burning Low: Cole Sanchez, Rebecca Sugar
Ignition Point: Somvilay Xayaphone, Bert Young
Frost & Fire: Somvilay Xayaphone, Luke Pearson
Earth & Water: Somvilay Xayaphone, Seo Kim
Red Throne: Seo Kim and Somvilay Xayaphone

Basically there's just a HUGE tonal difference in the writing style of Sugar and Somvilay. She was writing Finn as having serious emotional depth. I'm not saying it didn't make him come off as a wenus sometimes, but it established that this relationship was a huge fucking deal to him.

Somvilay... doesn't roll like that apparently. Sugar's Finn would've been freaking out at the ending of Red Throne. Somvilay's Finn went "oh darn, I've been cockblocked by Cinnamon Bun."

It's the plague of Western television. Different eps written by different people result in huge shifts in characterization.

>>223351
I just wish they didn't dump every single FP episode on the same guy. I'm not looking forward to any episodes with her in the future because they'll all likely be her doing barely anything and Finn being just awful.

At least spice it up once in a while with PB and Marceline.

>>223355
Its like the writers are spiteful towards her existence or something.

>>223320
Why did they even have Playing with Fire written if they were going to take things in the direction the cartoon did?
None of it matters, Flame Princess is off trying to heroically reform her homeland and is no longer likely to blow up the planet by accident while Finn ended up just being a toxic boyfriend who continues to act creepy around her even when she has no interest in him.

The guy who wrote her episodes was terrible with the plot threads, never developing them properly and just closing them off in unsatisfying ways when he didn't know how to handle them any longer.

>>223356
>Its like the writers are spiteful towards her existence or something.

No, it's like Rebecca Sugar is gone. Ever watch Steven Universe?

I'm not saying there's nothing good any more in Adventure Time. That's hogwash, it definitely still has strong eps. But there's no getting around the fact that Sugar brought a very different way of writing emotional shit to the table (and she brought that talent with her to Steven Universe).

It Came from the Nightosphere, Susan Strong, the Real You, What was Missing, Incendium, Hot to the Touch, Daddy's Little Monster, Lady & Peebles, I Remember You, Jake the Dog, and Simon & Marcy. Pick an ep that had emotional punch, she was usually involved. Usually. I'm not pretending things like Puhoy and Be More didn't happen. But her departure was a huge loss for the show, partly because it's incredibly jarring to have one person treat a relationship as something serious and emotional only to have it be passed on to someone that just doesn't feel that way.

It's not that anyone there hates FP or Finn or anything. It's that the writer in charge of FP eps changed, and it was NOT a smooth transition.

>>223355
>her doing barely anything and Finn being just awful.

But that's what the entire Flame Princess storyline always was, basically. It started with him being creepy and depressive, and she did nothing but be passive or explode into a rage for her first like 6 episodes.

>>223355
>At least spice it up once in a while with PB and Marceline.
I liked this episode (>>223294 & >>223325), but agree that if there's one thing that bothered me, it was missing another opportunity to bring Marceline in on an FP episode, seemingly just to give Cinnamon Bun more opportunity to look more mature by having someone to babysit.

>>223351
There's also Vault of Bones, which shows them actually trying to share their lives instead of just romancing, and Too Old as another example of Finn being creepily over-romantic. Though like the latest episode, Too Old seemed less attempting to define Finn and more just using him as a convenient plot device in the aftermath of Frost & Fire, and even then it was largely an excuse to get FP away from Finn and show a huge fight. Possibly extraneous note: I'm thinking Frost & Fire might've been a better turning point with Finn actually retaining his earlier lessons and trying to hold FP back and her leaving to protect him again, like in Hot to the Touch. It'd make her seem less stable, but that could've been an even better lead-in to FP's sense of uncertainty in Earth & Water. I guess those are the kind of differences between writers you're getting at, though.

>>223360
Annoying that Rebecca left before FP started confronting her dad, it would've been nice to have had depth in her relationship with Finn and her life in general at the same time.

>>223349
I take the show on an episode by episode basis. Sometimes they're good, sometimes they're boring.
The current relationship ones tend to be pretty boring, but there's usually a more interesting one around the corner.

Don't think this was linked here yet: The Adventure Time Encyclopaedia

>>223351
>Somvilay Xayaphone

This man is fucking toxic.

Wow is something wrong with plus4chan or something

Normally by now some mouthbreather should've come along to squeal that the only possible reason you could ever dislike terribly written romance dragging down the characters is because you're a ronery single virgin loser

>>223397
It's not about the romance though, it's just about one awful writer.

Romance episodes ain't my favorites but when they're written by anyone other than Xayalapalong they're usually decent to what I'd dare to call good.

Though when all romance is made by the same dude you do have a point.

>>223408
Thing is, he's very clearly NOT writing romance eps. Sugar did. He's writing eps where he rips the romance to shreds, as a joke. lol, apparently.

And I wouldn't say he's awful. Luke Pearson and Somvilay Xayaphone = the team that gave us Candy Streets... and the team that gave us Frost and Fire. It's not that we're dealing with completely untalented people, it's just that they're clearly not able to handle what Sugar left behind. And they made a fucking mess of it instead.

I feel slightly bad for Seo Kim. "Congrats, you're on the adventure time team! And two of your eps will very clearly go down as two of the three most hated episodes the show's had. Sorry 'bout that."

>>223424
Tossing it in the garbage is the absolute best way to handle what Sugar left behind. It's already been brought up in the thread; Sugar's Finn was a fucking creeper who got way too emotionally invested in dumb infatuations and she made him act like a huge tool.