Much better than the two series before it. Ben feels like a human again and the inclusion of aliens into society at least as far as the city of Bellwood is concerned is quite nice. Also seeing Wyatt back in character creation is a treat specially with the callbacks he does in the background.

I love it. I do find people complaining that it ignores AF and UA hilarious. I will admit the first season of Alien Force was ok. There are elements I liked like the Highbreed and Paradox but I think Omniverse does such a better job.

Dimensional travel can be hell.

>>204270
Oh yeah you go there and find out you're Justin Bieber.

GAZE INTO THE FACE OF TOEPICK!

Thumbs up to whomever had the concept of Merging the Lucky Girl persona into the whole hybrid angle and allowing her to bend those powers using spellcraft.

>>204307
aw man so she's still a hybrid?!

Welp, at least it still involves magic.

I only became aware of Ben 10 when Alien Force came out, and whenever I asked people if I should watch it or not, they always said to watch the original and pretend the rest didn't happen.

>>204315
Those people are your friends.

>>204315
Never understood fan's undying love for the original series. The first Ben 10 series is very far from great, with its mediocre storytelling, bland designs, forgettable villains, and annoying protagonist. There were a few promising moments in the first season, but those didn't last long as the series progressed.

Alien Force wasn't a masterpiece either, but the writers were at least trying to tell a story, which puts them above the previous show. However, they dropped the ball hard on characterizations, as >>204268 mentioned. I remember the exact moment I gave up on Alien Force too: It was when Ben's former bullies tried to pick a fight with him and Ben responded with an incredibly generic anti-bully speech. It was such a forced and uncharacteristic response from Ben that I lost hope any of these characters would ever feel real.

>>204318
While I agree with your points, I also find the first series more entertaining, and I really prefer Ben's idiotic heroic shenanigans than Gwen preachiness and self-righteousness.

>>204318
I found the original series to be a fun show. It's not particularly ground breaking by any regard but it was enjoyable.

AF and UA were not as fun. A bit too serious for my tastes at times.

>>204320
Basically, this. It was fun, not too pretentious. nice seeing a good ol' cartoon show with a villain of the week thing, aliens, mutants, magic etc, reminded me of 80s stuff like TMNT. And I found the dynamic between the cousins funny enough to watch.

>>204321
>Basically, this. It was fun, not too pretentious. nice seeing a good ol' cartoon show with a villain of the week thing, aliens, mutants, magic etc, reminded me of 80s stuff like TMNT. And I found the dynamic between the cousins funny enough to watch.

Ditto. When it was on I said "well it's not very good, but it could potentially be great."

And they basically ruined it instead. I'm still stunned at just how badly they fucked it up.

>>204322
Now don't get me wrong, I really liked it. The finale, the episode with the world-eating tick, the one with the zombiefying alien that they end up killing with anti-fungi powder, those were the kinda stuff I really liked seeing.

>>204322
I'd say Omniverse has done a bang up job. Honestly I thought McDuffie could have done a much better job. I mean I loved JLU. I loved Static Shock. But then he got to this show and I was bored. To be fair turning Kevin good was never his idea. He wanted the third kid to be Cooper, which makes so muc h more sense in retrospect.

Omniverse has brought it back to its roots which makes me happy and thewriters are making an effort. Malware and Khyber are some interesting main villains and Rook is actually a good foil for Ben.

>>204323
Basically you liked the bigger scale stuff more than like "Ben has to atop a dude who controls roaches"? That's understandable. The original series wasn't perfect I'll admit.

>>204325
Hmm... nah, not exactly. I'm not sure about the roaches guy episode, guess I was just a bit on the guy's side.

That just shows it had a lot of episode types there. One was an episode inside a videogame, the other one had Ben almost joining a sort of Guardians of the Galaxy.

To be fair, srs bznss as it was, Alien Forces had its merits on its own too, in my opinion. Kevin was a fun contrasting character. If the show didn't change and retcon suff, I'd have less of a problem with it.

They're actually rerunning Alien Forces or... maybe it's Ultimate Alien, I get those mixed, on tv here. I don't follow it religiously, but I sorta listen to it. There was a Charmcaster episode recently which implies she still used magic, so I guess Gwen was a combo of wizard/martial artist (original series)/alien hybrid, at this point?

>>204326
The interactions between the three kids in Alien Force were pretty good. I just find that the sequel series fiddled too much with source material that was perfectly fine to begin with. For instance the Forever Knights went from a bunch of groups with no real goals. Vilgax went from a space conqueror to a guy trying to use rules to take Earth. The Highbreed and Darkstar where fine villains though. That and I found the later aliens to be lacking in the creativity department. Swampfire was pretty much Wildvine+Heatblast

This guy's stuff is kind of cool. Even some of the original aliens aren't bad
http://kjmarch.deviantart.com/gallery/?q=Ben+10

>>204318
Same here. I guess most people that actually do like it had that series as their introduction to the franchise, so they are a little biased and nostalgia'd.

Omniverse is like mystery inc: just taking everything apart and building on the good. It's by far my favorite iteration of the series and could still use some sort of overarching plot instead of having Ben do small errands and minor missions. Not to say that i did not like Ben and the little aliens looking for smoothies. shit was cash.

>>204337
I'd say Khyber and Malware are planning something but I don't really know. Cartoon Network is fucking up the episode order. Apparently 16 year old Ben not having Feedback is actually a plotpoint.

>>204338
I could've sworn I had seen feedback being used by 16 year old Ben. He had a green leotard and more bolts than 10 year old Ben. Might just be me.

>>204339
>I could've sworn I had seen feedback being used by 16 year old Ben
It was at the beginning of Store 23 I think.. Which takes place after he gets it back and was shown out of order.

Omniverse Preview - Showdown: Part 1

>>204333
>That and I found the later aliens to be lacking in the creativity department. Swampfire was pretty much Wildvine+Heatblast
This. The alien designs on the first series were simple, but pretty well done.
And the first time I saw Swampfire, I figured he was probably a fusion of aliens or something.

>>204343
Yeah. It's out of order. At least its not on hiatus.
>>204347
That and they were all voiced by Bradley Dee Baker

So what are some other universes people would like to see?

I'd personally love a Kamen Rider universe. Crashhopper with a tiny scarf. Ken(shiro) yelling out his attacks.

>>204435
that is possible seeing how Waybig rocks the Ultraman hard.

>>204436
Maybe at the end of every fight Vilgax makes the monster of the week grow.

I also wouldn't also wouldn't mind like a Silver Age comic universe.

I was a stalwart follower of the original series, but I really found Ben to be unbearable in retrospect.
With Alien Force, they had a good balance of personalities, but the DNAliens were just so dull as a villain. While the overarching story was a good experiment, it just didn't move as fast as it needed to by half.

But having said that, I felt Ultimate Alien hit a genuinely good balance between the original series and Alien Force. Admittedly, the fact it was still built off the retcons introduced in Alien Force hampered it, but the personalities of the team were better developed.

>>204543
Alien Force was ok. At least the first season. Afterwards it went downhill. I remember when I gave up. The season one finale of Ultimate Alien.

Ok Malware is now the most pragmatic villain on this show after seeing this week's episode. Just wow

This episode just left me wanting more. and on another note, I'm beginning to find Tara Strong's timmy/young Ben voice a little irritating.

>>204543
to it's credit, it did make the main characters bearable. But what I am not willing to forgive about alien force and ultimate is how darn dystopian and boring the atmosphere was. Seriously made everything dull and uncanny.

>>204690
Dystopian has never been a problem for me. I tend to prefer it that way.
But I will agree to the issues of how dull the atmosphere was in Alien Force. I didn't feel that Ultimate Alien had the same issue, but your mileage may vary.

The fact that everything took place at night didn't help.

regular /co/ is getting it hard to Attea must be the one for the month.

>>205856
/co/ gets flavors of the weeks all the time. Quite frankly frog female anthros gross me out. The cold mucus skin is just ugh. Not to mention the lack of hair on her head hurts her. Very few anthros can pull off the no hair deal.

>>205856
>>205857
I can dig bald ladies.
And amphibian ladies.
And color schemes that use green and purple.

>>205857
>not wanting to feel her cold, slimy, freckled skin

Step it up, Anon.

>>205942

Well, gents, soon it will be time. The HAREM EPISODE WILL SOON BE UPON US! Looma, Julie, and Ester. Fun stuff. If only Attea could somehow pop up. It would be glorious. But three's not bad.

>>205856
>>205942
>>205961
I can't unthink it every time I see aviator helmets with goggles.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ben_10:_Omniverse_episodes

If any of those new episodes turn out to be true I'm looking forward to the next season.

>>216979
Finally. Jeez.

That whole trio was basically unused. Like the arc was just a waste of time.

>>216984
They're even getting names. Snare-O, Frankenstrike and Blitzwolfer.

If wikipedia is to be believed they'll finally show the vampires.

Well that as a good crossover Redesigns not too shabby . I hope they get a couple of returns and Ben gets the ability to handle Cryptid DNA.

>>217341
Whoa. That's actually a pretty cool thing to do. I don't remember much caring for the show, but still cool.

>>217341
The dad should be buffer and the logo is kind of weird looking but otherwise I'm fine with it.

>>217341
>Redesigns not too shabby
I'm just going to politely disagree and be on my way.

>>217341
HOLY SHIT
This is amazing.
Granted, their Ben10'ized designs are kinda hit or miss, but it's great to see them back.
Wonder if Rex and co. could get an appearance as well.

>>217341
>>217348
>>217358
>>217355

I chalk up changes in the design to canonical elements just for fun. It's been three years since the defeat of V.V. Argost and when Ben reassembled the universe he goofed up more than just Mr Smoothie and a sweater.

>>217341
The only thing that made me sad was that it wasn't their voices.
So sad.

>>217494
Really hope he's an alternate universe Ben

Surprised to see the Secret Saturdays making a crossover appearance. Now all that's left is for Generator Rex to pop up.

>>217504
clearly he's '90s Ben which should count for an alternate dimension, or at least future timeline.

>>217506
I remember there was a super scientist on the Saturday's show who everyone thought was weird for thinking aliens existed. I liked that show for the same reasons I liked the original Ben 10. It was fun. Plus Corey Burton practically chewed the scenery.

>>217507
Give him more spikes and have him voiced by the guy who does Hoss Delgado. He has to scream EXTREME at least once though.

I hope the IDW comic turns out good.

>>217511
bloody FINALLY someone remembered the Ultimatrix was a thing.
Worst thing that bugged me about the new series was the stupid omnitrix.

>>217512
I hated the ultimates thing.

>>217513
Eh, it was the Zeo/Turbo thing all over again for me.
They didn't give a single good reason why there was any change made.

>>217514
Hey, Turbo gave us car Zords. The Ultimatrix just gave us more Humongousaur and Swampfire.

Oh good lord. Rath has been naked this entire time

>>217529
That's just the way Rath likes it!

I hope these guys come back. They're great.

So we got Tim Curry last week. This week we got Sludgepuppies.

>>218410
The Forever Knights got it pretty hard. The one time they do help the world they're wiped out except for a couple of guys.

>>218425
It's not like they can't recruit more though.

>>218427
Wont be easy with Ben getting in the way.

>>218430
Then again I kind of like this small group. I like that ninja bot is back. Plus the twins have the better knight outfits. The ones in AF looked so boring.

ohh the Gwen faces this episode. All the emotion that had been missing prior to this incarnation of the show since Ben 10.

>>218658
Yeah, Gwen written as Gwen has been sorely lacking.
And any ep that raises the possibility of more Cousin-ships is a plus in this fandom. Especially if the cousin in question is a googirl.

>>218658

Someone is working on a Harem ending pic for Ben. All the ladies love that Tennyson.

So I saw the original Ben 10.

Anyone care to explain... everything that came after it?

Because it looks complicated.

>>218716
Cartoon network wanted more so they got other teams working on the sequals in a hurry?

>>218718

>>218718
This pretty much. Watch maybe the first season of Alien Force and skip everything after that until Omniverse.

>>218715
Ben could just say multiple wives is an earth thing.

>>218698
Someone make one for Alien Force.

Would you/co/?

>>218718
I meant that more along the lines of "I have no idea what the fuck is going on and it looks complicated" than "how were the shows made".

I'm hearing about timeskips, alternate timelines, time travel, spinoffs... I saw Ben 10. It was pretty straightforward.

>>218718
Yep Bandai America found a cash cow in Ben they hadn't seen in a long while I think and so they started spinning out tons of stuff. Course now they've run up into the contracts that Japan does with "if you show it then it will have a toy" So they've capped the aliens after the new versions Ultimate according to a post from Wyatt.

>>218722
Omniverse makes sense of things. It's not too bad.

One of the things that always bothered me was getting rid of magic for no reason in AF.

>>218716
>I haven't seen anything since Ben 10. At all. Nothing whatsoever. It looks complicated. Could someone explain what happened after Ben 10?

>>218718
>They made lots more shows for reasons of money.

>>218722
>No, I mean in terms of the plot. It sounds like the shows contradict one another? Anyone able to explain what's up? It sounds complicated.

>>218724
>Oh it makes sense. It's not too bad. Incidentally, there's no magic any more, or something.

>>218724
Which is one of the reasons I like Omni since they brought back her skills and ability with magic instead of that "its just alien energy stuff" Not perfect but better than it was and I like her hybrid hero look with the lucky cat style mask and her glowing emblem. She could still use a bodysuit.

>>218732
Also Universe was destroyed but Ben rebuilt it, why some things are different then time around as well.

>>218732
WHAT DO YOU FROM ME GWEN? STOP JUDGING ME!

But seriously Omniverse acts as a sort of an umbrella,for all the previous series. Basically the shit you have to know is after Ben 10 alien Nazis tried infiltrating earth. Ben assembled a team and stopped that. Vilgaxcame back as a wuss, Ben kicked his ass. Some warlord from Kevin's race tri collecting all the aliens so his could reach godmode, Kevin absorbed his powers and turned evil for all of five seconds. A greymatter alien, student to Azmuth, made a bootleg omnitrix that copied Ben's DNA. He's evil. Finally cthullu was revealed to be and alien that king Arthur punched around, which was what the Forever Knights were founded to do again, Vilgax becomes Cthullu. Ben kicks his ass again.

Thankfully cue Omniverse where shit is really way better.

Speaking as someone that HAS followed the show off and on, but apparently with key eps getting missed, the whole "rebuilt the universe, only it's different" thing confuses the fuck out of me to this day. How it happened what was changed, I mean. As long as we're explaining things, anyone wanna give a stab at that? The wikis I've read were... muddled. I'm gonna call them muddled, to be polite.

>Omni has fixed everything!

Gwen has gone from being a costar to appearing less than Kevin. Also: Kevin appears. Frequently.

No it hasn't fixed everything.

>>218735
An alien race called the Incursions were trying to use a universe destroying weapon as their bigger stick, problem is it went off. Ben transformed into Alien X, the closest thing to god in their universe but constantly burdened with a council within its mind that holds it up, in the nick of time and convinced his voices to restore the universe.

Unfortunately it wasn't perfect. Shit like signs or Ben wearing a hoodie instead of a jacket are a result.

>>218736
They've appeared about the same amount. Plus they bogged down shit in AF and UA to the point that Ben felt irrelevant at times.

Good work cartoon network.

Kind of wondering what happened to the Tokustars stuck in the Null Void

>>218737
Incursions being that froggy race from a while back.

>>218736
It's not the Gwen 10 show.

>>218742
no but that AU version of Gwen with the Omnitrix has been talked about making an appearance at some point in the show.

>>218743
and Kevin is going back to being a dirty mutie.

>>218742
>It's not the Gwen 10 show.

Correct, it's the Ben 10 show. And Gwen in the original series made a great straight man/foil for Ben.

Kevin never had good chemistry with Ben, and fucked up the chemistry Ben and Gwen had.

Which is detrimental to Ben (the star) since he lost the convenient "buddy" that his personality nicely played off of.

>>218763
I love the "I just saw the internet's reaction to me" expression.

>>218747
Rook isn't that bad actually.

>>218763
New member of Ben's harem?

>>218721

>>218715

>>219092
>Lil Bullfrag

loving the progress on this.

>>219092
Missing Julie.

well she and Ben did a clean split.

>>219092
>No Sludgepuppy cousin

It's nice, but you know there's things missing.

>>219094
>>219098
They're in the next pic along with Charmcaster, the Way Bad chick, and Rook's sisters.

>>219092
>>219166

I'm liking the monster arc

>>225561

So is the new one as good as the first stuff or are we still stuck in that fucking horrid schlock.

Its a lot better, Ben now acts like a Matured Ben should and not some cardboard man. Gwen and Kevin are off doing their own thing so Ben got a new Alien Partner named Rook who is a great Straight Man counterpart to Ben though Gwen and Kevin do show up from time to time. But overall it feels a lot better as a continuation to the original Ben 10 then the two series in the middle did. With the way it handles Flashbacks you can pretty much skip them now too. Also just about every alien girl been meets gets a crush on him. Gwen has magic again with spells and incantations and has her Lucky Girl persona and is getting her charms back.

>>225576
Hope he leads to visiting the Time War, theirs sounds as kickass as the Doctor Who version.

>>225577
>Doctor Who version

You mean the version that sounded badass as hell until we actually saw it, and then it was just a conventional war with Time Lords using rifles? THAT Time War?

Yeah, after THAT massive disappointment, I hope Ben Ten alludes to cool things in theirs but never shows it.

>>225579
Part of that will likely depend on who Spanner turns out to be.

>>225581
Ah Bullfrag hitting on Attea and she getting flustered, that was awesome.

I'm really really looking forward to Whampire.

>>225586
Will he sound like a standard vampire or Batman?

>>225588
http://youtu.be/Z0o3kuwMLlI?t=17s

>>225604
How many more times will she trick them into thinking she's good

>>225613
Well Ben did tell Rook he didn't trust her.

Kinda wish they left her as good to be honest.

>>225630
Maybe she'll have a turn around like Kevin did when something happens to her powers or something. Give Ben a Magic User since Gwen is now out doing her own thing as Lucky Girl again. Be a whole arc in itself Ben getting to trust her.

>>225630
She's more fun and dynamic a character as an antagonist/antihero.
Though I'm admittedly super-biased in hating like 99% of everything about Alien Force and Ultimate Alien. I know plenty of people liked AF/UA, but they always felt like a jarring, unnatural intrusion on the setting. Hell, I was so disheartened by them that I paid no attention to Omniverse until recently because I didn't expect anything worth my time. Then I find out Omniverse is fantastic, and I'm trying to catch up on things.

>>225638

LIES. NO ONE LIKED THAT SHIT.

>>225630
I don't think you can ever be considered good after you killed a few thousand people and tried to sell their souls to an old god.

>>225639
>>225638
I've barely seen anyone that likes AF/UA,but I can assume there's the occasional fanboy/fangirl that probably didn't knew better.

>>225653
I've seen plenty. There was a blog where someone put bags on all the heads of the Omniverse versions of the aliens from UAF.

>>225654
>someone put bags on all the heads of the Omniverse versions of the aliens from UAF.

Charmcaster mentions Providence, think she crossed them trying to break out of her domain at some point or was she speaking in the other sense of the word.

>>225654
...wow.
>>225655
I think that image sums it up.

>>225691
Probably the organization, considering the context of the dialogue, one-sided as it was.

Life Fiber DNA Though Likely he'd turn into a Hoodie.

>>225691
http://ask.fm/DerrickJWyatt/

>Charmcaster said Providence in this past episode. Was that a GeneratorRex shout out?,

>No.

>>225704
And from the Drawthread

Looks like Gwen 10 is coming back.

Catfight

The princesses Looma and Attea are at odds over who gets to marry Ben!

>>225748
I still see nothing wrong with the current Gwen.

Me neither, I like the geeky nature of her look now then the Prep look she was sporting before. Will we see older Gwen 10 or just the younger looking version I wonder.

So how about the idea that Scout is actually a female.

>>225832
Scout is all man.

>>225833
It's not impossible. they probably wouldn't go with a twist like that, but there's nothing to contradict it either.

>>225835
Well Scout doesn't have the bushy neck hair like other males. Though it might just boil down to him being another Plumber half-breed

>>225654
>>225655
I think I've found it.
http://ben-10-os-to-ua.deviantart.com/

This shouldn't be as annoying as it is.

>>225639
I didn't flat out hate it. Some of the changes were pretty ok.

>>225971
Heh bet they are watching Frozen, hence Ester looking a little pissed.

>>225971
Ben must be really great at eating out

>>226089

>>226094

>>226122
And the next Galactic war will be over Ben.

>>226123
I am curious which military would win.

>>226143
I see a stalemate and Ben having to make some kinda peace treaty.

"Rath is unsure at what this development means for the universe, but Rath respects all life choices."

>>226237

that hairstyle stops being cool after you turn thirteen, ben

>>226251
Having no actually seen this episode that appears to be the entire purpose of that picture.

>>226252
Yea the only way he could be more '90s if he pulls out massive guns (but Grandpa Max already does that) and if we never see his feet.

>>226251
I know you are NOT hating on the mullets.

>>226258
The top hair is technically too long to be a mullet. It's just the mask thing kinda obscures it.

This show is great.

Ben seems to have a Bulkhead.

>>226415
I think that might be Shockwave/Longarm behind his tail. And Unitaur should so be in the roster.

I wonder if we'll see any more Ben and Ester in the future.