Here's an old screencap I saved a while back in the early Korra going and I stumbled upon it while straightening up my folders.

What a mindfuck this was.

Tangentially continued from >>108642: can someone explain the "remember before episode 6 when we thought Korra was a Strong Female Character" joke that's been circulating on tumblr? I can't think of any particular offensive development (by tumblr standards) connected to that specific episode.

>>108871
They probably wanted her to be more like this and gave up when Episode 6 came around and she was still fully clothed.

I recently learned whitewashing is not an issue to SJ acolytes when the whitewashed characters are evil (e.g. the al Ghul family in the Batman movies), because when fighting oppression you must portray every single poc in a positive light.
But then they bitched about how having a brown villain was so problematic the moment Tarrlok attacked Korra and still got pissed when Amon's skin got paler.

>>108873
but oppression only ever comes from white people or can ultimately be traced to being their fault, so that's not out of character
also all nonwhites are Mary Sues and Stus in real life with no willfully evil individuals whatsoever, so if you ever show one with flaws that's because you secretly hate them all

>>108873

For what it's worth, Racebending.com criticized the Nolan movies over the casting choices of Liam Neeson and Tom Hardy.

Even if a character does manage to meet the PC standards of the average user on dumblr they'll just ignore them anyway.

>Female
>Hispanic
>Lesbian
>Intelligent detective
>SJ crowd doesn't give a shit and fawns over gifs of the various white straight men on The Avengers

Maybe she needs to be a handicapped ftm otherkin too?

>>108879

That doesn't seem like a proper comparison. Tumblr as a whole was fawning over Avengers, not just the few scattered SJWs or actual activists who liked the movie, and others talked about Black Widow (and to a lesser extent, Maria Hill) being badass, both on a more social context, as well as just being kick ass. Hell, I've seen people point to Jane Foster and Darcy in Thor as part of an argument that Thor can actually count as a feminist movie.

Found an awesome post that deconstructs the "bawww where was my Bender Privilege storyline Bryke?!" whine:

http://makorracaps.tumblr.com/post/27948654193/exequalistmako-cviperfan-that-brief-shining

>>108882

>>108882
You do know that they were trying to actually emulate class struggles, right?

They just failed spectacularly.

>>108884
Were they? Where did you hear that?

>>108884
The point is that the class struggles of Republic City aren't actually tied to bending, which is simply an irrational target of blame held by a couple bitter (and unfortunately charismatic and powerful) characters.

>>108885

It's supposedly from the commentary episodes from Mike and Bryan themselves. I haven't seen it, though I doubt people here would outright lie about it.

I think this is like the third time I've linked this video.

Korra:Making Of A Legend! Epis…

>>108884
>>108895

>If they're feeling unrepresented and oppressed
>If they're feeling
>IF THEY'RE FEELING

You know who else feel unrepresented and oppressed? BASICALLY EVERY CROWD OF ANGRY PEOPLE EVER. Feeling tread upon and victimized does not actually make it so.

>>108896
Ergo ALL crowds of angry people have nothing of value to say!

Perfect logic!

>>108897

No you fucking moron, it means you shouldn't take their feelings of victimization at face value. Meaning >>108884 is a dumb sack of fuck.

>>108898
How can you even post when your head is so far up your ass?

Like seriously, this is the most willful refusal to accept the facts that I've seen since I've been on this website.

A) Non-benders are most certainly underrepresented. Although the bending status of the Council is only minimally in question, it's a fact that none of them other than Tenzin were even concerned with Tarrlok's curfew.

B) As incredible as this is is to believe, people do not go out and march and fight for movements just because they "feel" like it. People don't join revolutions just because they're in the mood for it. There is always some problem that needs addressing, even if people don't always go about it the right way.

C) I really love how you interpreted Mike and Bryan's lines entirely around ONE FUCKING WORD TO COMPLETELY DISREGARD IT. Your brain pretty much went "Oh! I am on the verge of being wrong! But wait, Bryan said 'feel', THAT MEANS I DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN ANY MORE! I CAN FORGET THE PART WHERE HE SAID OH THIS IS A SERIOUS MOVEMENT! OR OH THIS IS LIKE A CLASS REVOLUTION!"

>>108899
Can you address the points made in >>108882 then? Tell me how, against all that, you can say that benders are the oppressors here?

People don't seem to be looking at what's presented in the show. Yeah there are big problems in Republic City, but "bender privilege" isn't one of them. Signs point to it being a massive poverty issue in reality, not systematic oppression. Amon used benders as a scapegoat to unite people stricken by poverty and gang violence and rise to power. It's not that hard to see! Several real-life dictators have made use of this technique! It works very well. Class revolution occurs because people are suffering, but that doesn't mean they have the correct target. With poverty issues there isn't really a target to push all the blame on and then overthrow, and unfortunately that makes it real easy for particularly charismatic people to manipulate the people in those situations.

They actually didn't drop the real issue because it's evident all the way up to the final episode where Korra and friends take refuge in a big shanty town (an unsegregated area made up of both benders and nonbenders, no less). It wasn't dealt with either, but I wouldn't expect Korra would be able to heal a wide rich-poor gap with waterbending. She was only able to take care of the guy who was twisting the situation to suit his own needs. We might see this thread continued on in the Asami and Mako plot threads in Book Two, because she's in a position to make a real change in the way wealth is distributed and he's in a position to get the gangs under control.

For fuck's sake, how is this a debate?
Amon claimed Benders had it sweet, and preyed on the fears of lower-class nonBenders. "You'll be pushed down into the poorhouse by them!"

MEANWHILE, IN THE ACTUAL FUCKING POORHOUSE, BENDERS AND NONBENDERS ARE BOTH BEING FUCKING POOR.

We SAW the shanty town. We SAW the lowest tier of Republic City AND IT HAD BENDERS AND NONBENDERS LIVING TOGETHER, IN HARMONY, SHOULDER TO SHOULDER IN SHARED POORNESS.

Amon's talk was shown to be full of shit, because we saw the actual lowest class, and it was nothing like what he was saying. Yeesh.

>>108899
>As incredible as this is is to believe, people do not go out and march and fight for movements just because they "feel" like it.

You know who feels unrepresented and oppressed? White anglosaxon protestants in America. No, seriously, feeling oppressed is not the same as actually being oppressed. We never see any real evidence that they're being oppressed, but Amon is there going "hey you ever notice how all wars are caused by bending? It's true! Benders keep dragging nonbenders into war! Yeah, that last war was all abou bending, not about a powerful political leader deciding to conquer the world..." He's telling them they're victims and that he'll destroy the ones victimizing them, and holy shit don't make me rattle off all the real world historical BASTARDS that pulled that shit. We never see any indication that they're being oppressed, but that doesn't mean someone can't distort the facts and make them feel oppressed.

>>108903
That said, while most genuine movements do come about because of genuine problems, there's no guarantee or even any suggestion that the problem and what they're marching against are the same thing. Not to get all Godwin's Law here*, but Weimar Republic Germany had problems--but despite the fact that people were marching, it wasn't the jews.

* - which I hold I"m not--I'm not comparing one side of this argument to the nazis, I'm comparing a charismatic fictional villain rallying a group of people in a bad situation into blaming those problems on a minority of the population who might have genuinely had positions of power and insular subgroups that gave way to nepotism from time to time for all their ills and offering to round them up and eliminate the threat of them to the Final Solution. But the internet doesn't always appreciate the distinction.

>>108905
Eh, Nazis didn't just blame the Jews though.

They hit a certain sweet spot in the chaotic society of the time. The Government was insecure and looked more incompetent every day, desperation was growing and many a person was pining after the "good old times" when there was one ruler, who directed the land with military strictness and kept the people save from outside and inside threats. Democracy was failing before their very eyes and there were many loopholes in the Republic which extremists could exploit.

Scapegoating the Jews was actually more of a byproduct and useful, given that antisemitism was deeply rooted within european societies since the Dark Ages. But it wasn't a driving force.
Many historians argue, that Hitler had a very small window of opportunity which he managed to grab. The NSDAP was more popular than ever before, but the numbers were actually already receding when Bismarck put him in charge. But at that juncture it was already too late. There was no civilian uprising to put old Adolph on top. He had tried that already and failed.

Comparing that to the Equalist movement is kinda hokey.

>>108906
Hindenburg

>>108907
Whoops, yeah sorry, I did mean Hindenburg.

Bismarck would have never put Hitler in charge of cleaning his shoes.

>>108906
No, not really, because this show wasn't aiming for a photocopy of real life.

Amon is meant to remind you of Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, all those guys. He went out and said "Life not perfect? You know whose fault that is, right? Benders!" He may as well have said "educated people!" "Jews!" or "Immigants!" ("Immigants! I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them!").

The two rich corporation owners we met were nonbenders, and there were benders in the shantytown, so Amon was full of shit. But he made people feel like they were being oppressed, and then once the ball got rolling and he started intimidating benders he was able to get Tarrlok to actually DO what Amon had been claiming benders do. Up until then though, everyone was suffering and/or profiting about equally.

>>108911
I wasn't talking about the show, I was talking to anon.
The Equalists don't make a lick of sense when you think about them too hard. When the only thing you really stand for is: "IT'S ALL THE BENDERS FAULT!" you should never amount to more than say the Westboro Baptist Church does in any civilized society. Especially since benders are present everywhere, in all classes, cultures, professions and most likely families since the dawn of civilization... Not denying that they have been dealt a natural advantage in life, but it's kinda like blaming left-handed people for all your problems in our world.

>>108911
I wasn't talking about the show, I was talking to anon.
The Equalists don't make a lick of sense when you think about them too hard. When the only thing you really stand for is: "IT'S ALL THE BENDERS FAULT!" you should never amount to more than say the Westboro Baptist Church does in any civilized society. Especially since benders are present everywhere, in all classes, cultures, professions and most likely families since the dawn of civilization... Not denying that they have been dealt a natural advantage in life, but it's kinda like blaming left-handed people for all your problems in our world.

>>108913
>They've been dealt a natural advantage

As much as people with skills/aptitudes.

And part of why it's so easy for Amon to do this is he's not calling for Benders to be murdered. He's throwing in a pseudo-religious "cleansing" free of charge.

"Left handed people are the cause of all your problems! Look at this list of famously bad left handed people! Rise up and kill the Southpaws!"
"Wow. No. That's just crazy."

vs.

"Left handed people are the cause of all your problems! Look at this list of famously bad left handed people! But I will cleanse the Southpaws of their impurity, and we will all live as Righties in harmony!"
"Hmmmm... it'd be kinda doing them a favor, then? And you say this will make all my problems go away?"

>>108869
Gay relationship w/ brother two years younger worse than "Straight" relationship with pre-pubecent girl. This says much about the priorities here.

>>108873
Of course when you somehow convince everyone that PoC(tm) are incapable of evil or foolishness how do you fix problems that are caused by evil and/or foolish PoC?

>>108899
>B) As incredible as this is is to believe, people do not go out and march and fight for movements just because they "feel" like it. People don't join revolutions just because they're in the mood for it. There is always some problem that needs addressing, even if people don't always go about it the right way.
So the Jews _were_ oppressing Germans back in the 30s?

Yes, Godwin is In Play.
>>108912
Rationality is not always enough to shut down movements. Consider Truthers and Birthers alike.

>>108899
>A) Non-benders are most certainly underrepresented. Although the bending status of the Council is only minimally in question, it's a fact that none of them other than Tenzin were even concerned with Tarrlok's curfew.

They're pussies that got scared and let Tarrlok take over. We saw no indication that they had put in place discriminatory policies before that, as Amon had been claiming.

>B) As incredible as this is is to believe, people do not go out and march and fight for movements just because they "feel" like it.

No, but they can be deceived into blaming scapegoats with ease. There ARE people in the city that are having to deal with crime, poverty, and everyday uncertainty. Amon came along and said "the reason for all that is Benders, and I can wipe away their bendiness!" He offered people an easy fix.

>C) I really love how you interpreted Mike and Bryan's lines entirely around ONE FUCKING WORD TO COMPLETELY DISREGARD IT.

Well... it's an important word? They feel marginalized by Benders, yes. But what we don't see is any evidence that they were actually being marginalized when Amon came along. He was charismatic and persuasive, he convinced people that their woes were all due to Benders. It's not true, there were plenty of rich non-Benders and plenty of homeless Benders, but he got people saying "by the spirits, he's right! That's why business hasn't been doing well lately! Benders!"

For it to be a class revolution, Benders would have to be the upper class, and nonbenders the lowest class. There were nonbenders among the cities elite, and there were Benders living in abject poverty in the sewers. It doesn't wash.

>>108920
So you're saying the whole Nazi Germany thing happened just because?
Yes, people had essentially carefree lifes and loads of free time and just thought: "Yep, I sure don't like those Jews. Maybe someone should do something about them? That Hitler seems like a reasonable fellow..."

I really hope I'm reading you wrong here. In any case:

Please read this >>108906 or watch a documentary or something.

>>108923
er, "city's elite". Three hours sleep is not enough.

>>108924
>So you're saying the whole Nazi Germany thing happened just because?

No, we are saying that the Jews*cough* Benders were not behind some massive conspiracy that required their them to be put down before Things Got Better.

>>108926
Right. The Germans were suffering serious economic hardship, and someone with a lot of passion and charisma came and told them that all their problems were the fault of people who were different enough from them that they could convince themselves it was true. It was the easy answer, and convincing mobs to go with the easy answer is way easier than convincing them to believe something like "There are a lot of causes behind the plight you're going through, including but not limited to a huge international recession, continuing fallout from the restitutions we're making from the previous war, and a downward spiral of worker morale reducing our overall productivity, but if we can start believing in ourselves again, start producing and taking risks in terms of starting businesses, and spend money rather than save it even though that puts the individuals among us in worse situations economically, we might be able to pull through it."

No one wants to hear "making things better is going to take a lot of hard work, and you're going to hate it, but you'll be better people for it." It's so much easier to tell them "You guys are perfect just the way you are--everything is (SUBCULTURE X)'s fault, and everything will be idyllic once we take them out of power / run them out of the country / exterminate them."

>>108926
Then word it better. Christ in a handbag.

>>108928
While this is all true, you can't reduce the Nazi ideology to just antisemitism and social darwinism. They loved that but their rhetoric was far wider spread. It's not that simple. They claimed to have all the answers and those didn't begin and end with the deportation & killing of Jews. And that's what bugs me about the Equalist comparison.
Because the Equalists were that damn simple in the show.
It doesn't sit well with me. It's an example of fantastic-racism, is all. Might as well compare the Sith or Cobra or the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants to the Nazis. Because they too have points in common with them.
There's just not enough to the Equalist Ideology (at least that we saw) to even merit having this analysis.

The important thing to take away from this is that The Equalists got a huge number of people who claim to be in favor of fair treatment for everyone to agitate for the systematic annihilation of an entire subgroup of humanity based on their genetic inheritance.

>>108932
>While this is all true, you can't reduce the Nazi ideology to just antisemitism and social darwinism.

1. Sure you can. Not necessarily a good idea, but you can.
2. It's not just Nazis. Amon isn't Hitler. It's that his scapegoating is reminiscent of MANY real world examples of bastards going "you know who's the source of your problems? People that are different from you!"

Okay, so it's not exactly 1:1 with Hitler's Germany. It's not intended to be. The way Amon tried to turn people against Benders is meant to be a bit reminiscent of how Hitler blamed the Jews for everything. And how Mao blamed "the Liberal bourgeoisie." And how Pol Pot blamed damn near everyone. Amon isn't meant to be completely analogous to any one of these guys, they just wanted a variation on "powerful maniac inspires people to seek easy answers through scapegoating". The complex political and socio-economic climate of Germany immediately prior to Hitler's rise to power isn't really important.

the equalist/nazi comparison is actually a pretty good one since benders are a priviliged race who occupy most positions of power and started a world war. just like jews. but that doesn't go both ways, since not all benders are powerful/priviliged, and that's why nazism and equalism are both wrong. nazism is obviously more complex since it's a fleshed out ideology and comes with a theory of government, but on that simple level, you can compare them.

>>108938

>>108938
Okay, this discussion is dead.

>>108938
>>a priviliged race who occupy most positions of power and started a world war.

except Jews weren't and have never been such thing anywhere... not even today in the US where right-wing christians have such a servility towards sionism yet they still hate the Jews.

>>108994
Zionism, and it stems partly from the belief (unique to American Christians) that "the Jews must be in the holy land for the Rapture to happen." It's a bizarro semi-racist reason for supporting Israel.

sage for >>108938

>>109000
jesus fucking christ

i know we kind of brought this on ourselves by drawing comparisons to germany, but i never asked for this. i never wanted this. please stop everyone

>Why so many Jewish bankers?

Because for a ridiculous length of time, Christians banned themselves from moneylending, and frequently refused to give Jewish people jobs (they couldn't own land, couldn't be farmers, were blocked from most trades), meaning they were forced into that (as it turns out, sometimes profitable) job career. And shit just kept on happening like that. Fast forward to America, and Jewish people were blocked from climbing corporate ladders, faced serious problems running for office, and weren't welcome at most investment firms. Even now most banks are clearly not Jewish, but there are a couple (like Goldman Sachs) that have historically had a high percentage of Jewish people running it. Why? Not exactly a tough question: the company was founded by Jewish bankers that were excluded from other firms. The company ended up with a high percentage of one ethnic group that couldn't get work elsewhere. We've been passing on this shit since the damn middle ages.

>Why so many jews in media

Same principle. The media has long had a bad reputation as being "unChristian," and Jewish people faced substantial prejudice if they tried to get "good Christian jobs". It's one of the more idiotic things in the rainbow of bigotry - forcing groups of people into certain jobs by excluding them from others, then going "they're going for those jobs on purpose! Because that's what 'their kind' is good at! Hurr durr!"

>That's the equalist question in a nutshell.

No, it's really not. Because the equalist situation is nothing like the nuanced reality of any real world group's discrimination. It's an incredibly simplified form of scapegoating suitable for a cartoon, and the forces driving it are unique to a fictional world. Benders are not an ethnic group. Benders can have nonbender kids, nonbenders can have Bender kids, and in those situations where only Benders are employed to do something, the reasoning tends to be along the lines of "well hell, find me a nonbender that can throw lightning and I'll gladly give him a job at my power plant". It does tap into our shared memory of real like movements against certain groups of people, but once you start digging it quickly becomes clear the similarities are only skin deep.

>>109006
>Because for a ridiculous length of time, Christians banned themselves from moneylending, and frequently refused to give Jewish people jobs (they couldn't own land, couldn't be farmers, were blocked from most trades), meaning they were forced into that (as it turns out, sometimes profitable) job career. And shit just kept on happening like that. Fast forward to America, and Jewish people were blocked from climbing corporate ladders, faced serious problems running for office, and weren't welcome at most investment firms. Even now most banks are clearly not Jewish, but there are a couple (like Goldman Sachs) that have historically had a high percentage of Jewish people running it. Why? Not exactly a tough question: the company was founded by Jewish bankers that were excluded from other firms. The company ended up with a high percentage of one ethnic group that couldn't get work elsewhere. We've been passing on this shit since the damn middle ages.
>Same principle. The media has long had a bad reputation as being "unChristian," and Jewish people faced substantial prejudice if they tried to get "good Christian jobs". It's one of the more idiotic things in the rainbow of bigotry - forcing groups of people into certain jobs by excluding them from others, then going "they're going for those jobs on purpose! Because that's what 'their kind' is good at! Hurr durr!"
Yeah, that's what I was saying. Minus the generic anti-Christian stuff, you pretty much made my point. Why do people try to prove others wrong by proving them right?

>>109000
>>You can't deny that there a lot of jews on wall street and in media, though. The same was true in post-WWI Germany

And this analogy somehow is supposed to make sense because there was a wall street and rampant media in the war-ruined post-WWI Germany of course.

By the way 2 out of 3 Stooges were Jewish and that is simply awesome.

>>109017
Also, half of KISS!

Anyway, can we please find something else to bitch about now?
Please?

>>109018
I'm with you, I'm just expecting Antisemitic!Anon to stop drinking the Stormfront Kool-aid and comparing benders with Jewish people and equalists with nazis.

>>109016
>Yeah, that's what I was saying.

1. No, you said "Jews caused a world war".
2. No, he said that an ethnic group had been forced into certain careers by having their progress in other fields blocked. That's absolutely nothing like what's going on in the Avatar world. There's a handful of jobs that nonbenders can't get, like "generating lightning to power the city," not because of discrimination but simply because they simply don't have that superpower. Meanwhile there's no jobs that Benders can't get. They can even join the Equalists! Isn't that right, Amon... or should I call you Noatak?

But again, it's not an ethnic group. Every single person at every single Equalist rally had to have at least one relative that was a bender.

>generic anti-Christian stuff
Wait... are you pretending that Christians didn't ban themselves from lending money, and didn't ban Jews from owning land/being farmers?

http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/religion/jews/middleages.htm

>>109017
>There were no jewish bankers in Germany

>>109020
How am I a stormfag if I said that blaming a large group of people for the actions of a few is wrong? I'm just saying that history is more complex than saying jews/benders never did anything wrong as a group. It takes no courage to be anti-racist if you believe minorities are special snowflakes who have never done bad things on medium-to-large scales.

>>109023
>1. No, you said "Jews caused a world war".
They've definitely been involved in funding and taking sides in global conflicts, yeah.

>2. No, he said that an ethnic group had been forced into certain careers by having their progress in other fields blocked. That's absolutely nothing like what's going on in the Avatar world. There's a handful of jobs that nonbenders can't get, like "generating lightning to power the city," not because of discrimination but simply because they simply don't have that superpower. Meanwhile there's no jobs that Benders can't get. They can even join the Equalists! Isn't that right, Amon... or should I call you Noatak?
Jews aren't blocked from any careers outside of Nazi Germany where their privilige quickly turned into active persecution. I think that makes a good comparison to LoK, since the benders as a class had just about any path open to them until Amon seized power.

>Wait... are you pretending that Christians didn't ban themselves from lending money, and didn't ban Jews from owning land/being farmers?
Of course not, I was just objecting to your "Christians are responsible for all bad things" sort of tone. I half-expected you to starting typing a passive-aggressive rant about Mitt Romney and Fox News by the way you sounded.

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>>109051

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>>109000
>You can't deny that there a lot of jews on wall street and in media, though. The same was true in post-WWI Germany, which is why they were such an easy target to turn their aggression to. Or let me word it a different way, if the banks were mostly controlled by jews, would hating jews be okay? That's the equalist question in a nutshell.

In a word: NO. The whole 'some of X does something, all of X must be punished' is a line of reasoning that leads to disaster on all levels.

>>109057

The guy's banned for the next three days, we can leave is nonsense be for now.

Thank you Admin.

Not really stuff that makes you angry but seriously, how are most of these innuendos?
http://avatar-parallels.tumblr.com/post/28326382441/fire-lady-its-not-just-a-childrens-show

#1 ok
#2 wat
#3 doesn't really imply sex
#4 ok, maybe
#5 there's a slight chance this was done on purpose
#6 nope
#7 not sexual and not an innuendo
#8 just potty humor
#9 ...

>>109057

As a member of the Hebrew race... Looking at his words, I think that's the point. Remember:

>but that doesn't go both ways, since not all benders [and by analogy Jews] are powerful/priviliged, and that's why nazism and equalism are both wrong.

The fact that some of the people who provided resources to fuel world wars happened to be of a certain ethnicity doesn't mean that said ethnicity is to be held entirely responsible. But that's what people thought, and that's all that matters in the long run. (Whether they were persuaded to believe it or already believed it is irrelevant.) No one is trying to justify them - it's simply an explanation for why an ideology was popular.

I hate to divide a point across threads, but I'll say it again: Perceptions hold greater power over reality.

>>109190
Thanks, I'm the bannedguy and that was exactly my point. Being anti-racist doesn't take any courage if you're just going to whitewash anything bad that race has done anyway. I'll stop with the real-world comparisons, but if you accept that benders have held a disproportionate amount of power and caused a lot of destruction in the world, that doesn't mean that the average bender should be held responsible for that. The majority of benders are still innocent peasant peoples with dead parents killed by firebenders. I don't think what I said was really shitposting, but whatever.

>>109364
It's not about whitewashing the bad things that other races have done, it's that you were empirically wrong about what bad things that a certain race had done (not that a race is an entity that can do things anyway, it's individuals who make decisions and act upon them).

Studio MIR posted this cute pic oh Meelo and Korra to their facebook. Keeping with their Olympics theme. Meelo could totally take Korra, right?!

Despite all the awesome pics they published on their facebook page (ahem, the Korra/Asami moped pic the fandom devoured like mana from heaven) and the entirety of the animation of Book 1/the upcoming books, suddenly Studio MIR are the whitewashers. In South Korea.

http://feverishlycool.tumblr.com/post/29179350210/korrawr-masterarrowhead-slavocracy-fffff

>This needs to be submitted to damnlayoffthebleach

andthentheresthisASSHOLE.jpg

That'll sure teach 'em! Submit their fanart to a passive-aggressive tumblr that doesn't accomplish anything! Fuck you Studio MIR!

The entire show staff should consider detaching themselves from social media.

>>109558
To be fair that is pretty blatant whitewashing, but nobody at MIR would give two fucks if damnlayoffthebleach posted about it.

>>109558
I'm just so tired of these people.

>>109560
But do they ever get tired of themselves?

So, uh. If this thread is still active, there's something I'd like to discuss.

Aang is dead. We get that, right? He's toast. No longer existing except in spirit. So, doesn't his bending-restoration on Korra's sorry brown butt violate the rules of the spirit world or something?

I mean, the dead Avatars are supposed to be a source of inspiration and knowledge for the newest Avatar. But they're only disembodied spirits, right? How the hell does it make any sense that the extinct shade of a person should still be able to act on the world at all? Doesn't that violate the natural order in any way?

I dunno, something that made me frustrated I guess

>>109765
We don't really know a lot about the spirits and how they can interact with the physical worl, and in the last series we saw two dead Avatars manifest themselves into the physical realm (Roku and Kyoshi). Granted, they were using Aang's body to do, so I dunno'.

And just for future reference this the thread for talking about aspects of the fandom that make you angry, not the canon.

>>109765

Physical manifestation of the spirits of previous Avatars through the current one never stopped being a thing.

http://innerpalindrome.tumblr.com/post/30125894587/lets-talk-about-portrayals-of-women-and-femininity-in

>>109829
You know what the crazy thing is? All of the sane, reasonable tumblrs I've found related to Korra have been Makorra blogs, or have been run by Makorra shippers.

Crazy how that shit turns out.

>>109830
Please take your dumbass passive-aggressive posts somewhere else.

>>109832
What? If there was a dig in there then it must have flown over my head. And now that Asami-bashing has by and large disappeared the Makorra shippers do come off as reasonable.

>>109832
I was not trying to come off as passive-aggressive, so sorry if I did? I guess I should have said the people who usually write these huge essays on how Korra is actually the worst thing to happen to women are typically anti-Makorra or anti-Mako, and they aren't even reasonable about their dislike. And I was being sincere about the Makorra fans actually seeming to be pretty reasonable as a whole. Obviously there are still a few who are basically Zutarans in disguise, but no one group of people is perfect.

> people who usually write these huge essays on how Korra is actually the worst thing to happen to women are typically anti-Makorra or anti-Mako
Ur Example: Riley.

>>109829

>Korra needed to be saved by a man (Aang)
>completely ignoring everything about the Avatar Spirit and the Avatar Cycle
>Yang Chen saved Aang and the Avatar Spirit after Azula zer-zapped his ass
>conveniently forgetting Korra saved Mako from Amon

why.jpg

>>109836
I thought with ALL of the Avatars showing up in that last scene implied they were all helping Korra out, Aang just spoke to her because he was the Avatar preceding her.

>>109767
That's not what happened in LoK 1's finale.

>>109829
> we’re expected to read Korra as a strong, independent woman, but in the last episode she’s more of a damsel in distress who has her happy ending given to her by a man without having to work for it herself.

Am I to assume that it would have been All Better if the whole Avatar thing at the end skipped a couple of iterations for the spokesperson?

>>109845
Clearly Aang should have used interpretive dance.

>>109842
To be fair we don't know the finer details of how spirits can manifest themselves, or whatever. For all we know, Korra was the only one who could see them... and you know the Avatar spirit is probably one of the most powerful spirits in the physical and spirit world, it can do what it wants.

>>109830
You're actually right.
http://makorracaps.tumblr.com/post/27145171981/people-who-say-asami-was-shoved-to-the-back-in-season-1
(good post except fot the ~problematic part but hey, it's always tumblr)

And frankly the Asami worship is way more prominent and over the top than the hate (which I haven't seen since episode 4, btw).

>>109846
If they could fix Korra's problem, why didn't they fix Aang's inability to access the Avatar state after he was hit by Azula's lighting?
It couldn't be such a big deal if some random rock could fix it.

That's like trying to use an electric solder plugged to the cable you're attempting to fix.

>>109834
>>109833
>>109832
>>109830
I think you're right, and the reason the makorra guys come off as reasonable is because they're hated by the rest of the fandom. I think being ostracized like that generally produces more sensible fans than a hugbox will, even when the thing they're a fan of is shit.

>>109849
Wasn't Aang's block a result of physical problems, not spiritual? But either way I'd take 'your past lives show up to help you' over 'a rock can fix your problems'.

>>109847
>and her relationship with her love interest will always receive the most importance, just like Aang and Katara got more focus than any other relationship on the show
Actually, I didn't get the impression that Aang and Katara's relationship was the most important one on the show. For example, Aang and Zuko's relationship was obviously more important than any of the romances. The author mentions unlocking the chakras during The Guru, but that process was so convoluted and it's never mentioned again, so I don't think it's fair to use that as evidence that Aang's relationship with Katara was more important than his other relationships. I liked ATLA because for most of the show, the focus was on the main cast's friendships and not their romantic troubles.

>>109852
IMO Amon's bending severing was mostly a physical process, and not too different from what Azula had done.

>>109856

>>109856

True, but Amon messed with Korra's bending, while Azula messed up Aang's connection with his previous lives.

>>109854
For a series that was 12 episodes long I think the main couple got the expected amount. It's not like we got a 'Cave of Two Lovers' sequel or anything.

I think because a majority of the active fandom dislikes Makorra they like to blow things out of proportion. Like, some people said episde 8 was a shipping episode because Mako and Korra looked at each other right before he was arrested. It's like, guys, love interests look at each other, it's fine.

>>109859
Makorra is bad because of what it did to Mako's character.
Also, Asami's suffering.

>>109860
Asami's suffering I think is actually vital to her character arc: her morals are above her relationships (even familial ones).

>>109861
I am willing to accept it if Mako and Korra are the ones who suffer more in the next season than other etablished characters.

>>109860
>Makorra is bad because of what it did to Mako's character.

But it didn't do anything to his character? Mako didn't tell Asami about the kiss because he didn't want to hurt her, not because he thought he was a pimp or anything.

>>109862
I don't get why people want them to suffer. Is it because they think it's the only way a character can develop or because they think it'll be some kind of payback for breaking poor Asami's heart? In the long run, the thing that's going to be more devastating to Asami is the loss her father and how him allying with the Equalists is going to damage the company, not the loss of her boyfriend who she knew for a few months tops. If Korra or Mako get hurt, Asami isn't going to say, "HAHA THAT'S WHAT YOU GET!", and it's really stupid that seems to be the attitude the fandom is taking.

>>109864
It's because Mako and Korra acted like jerks and they didn't get any sort of comeuppance.

Meanwhile, Asami gets taken down all the pegs helped in part by Mako and Korra. For a sympathetic viewer, it's hard not to want some more equality.

>>109865
>Meanwhile, Asami gets taken down all the pegs helped in part by Mako and Korra.
Hey, even Asami agreed that she needed to find out the truth about her father eventually.

Though, I actually do agree on wanting to see Mako having to go through a little hell, as it would finally bring the character focus to him, in a change from how in the first season he's just been kinda of an observer to other people's misery.

>>109864
>But it didn't do anything to his character?
That's part of the problem.

Asami just got pooped on repeatedly and never deserved any of it. imo it's not so much that Kora and Mako were jerks, just that the stuff with her dad was bad enough and she didn't need to get her heart broken on top of it, and nothing looked up for her by the end of season 1.

Makorra would have been totally fine if he hadn't been dating Asami or even if Asami had like, one good thing happen to her in the course of the story that made up even slightly for all the bad shit that happened to her that was totally beyond her control.

>>109865
>It's because Mako and Korra acted like jerks and they didn't get any sort of comeuppance.

I don't think they acted bad enough to warrant the kind of punishment fandom wants for them. Someone getting killed, or losing their bending -- because they were dumb teenagers and couldn't control themselves for a few split seconds? It's not like Mako was fooling around with Korra continuously behind Asami's back. He tried his best to move forward but he couldn't really hide the fact his feelings for Korra were stronger, and that doesn't make him an awful person.

>Meanwhile, Asami gets taken down all the pegs helped in part by Mako and Korra.

This didn't happen at all. Korra didn't accuse Hiroshi out of jealousy, she did it because she had reason to believe he was an Equalist and she was doing her job as the Avatar. She didn't look gleeful over the fact that she was making Asami question her only living relative, and she got pretty upset when Mako accused her of being jealous. And like I said, twenty years down the line if someone were to ask Asami which of the two was the worst thing to happen to her, losing her dad or her boyfriend of a few months, she'd look at whoever asked the question like they were an idiot.

>>109866
>Though, I actually do agree on wanting to see Mako having to go through a little hell, as it would finally bring the character focus to him, in a change from how in the first season he's just been kinda of an observer to other people's misery.

Like, seeing his parents be murdered in front of his face and then being thrown out onto the streets with his little brother where the only way they could survive was by working for the Triads? I think Mako has suffered enough, and I'm sure he'll face his problems in the second season, but people talk about how he's selfish and a jerk when he basically gave up his childhood to raise Bolin. I hope we get flashbacks instead, because god knows the brothers need some focus.

>>109870
I swear to god, so many people who watched this show have some impressive cases of selective memory.
When everyone's escaping in the airship, Korra is obviously feeling awful about what just happened to Asami. Not only that, but she flat out tells Mako to go be with Asami because she's the one who needs him more right now. Korra was also thoughtful enough to invite Asami to live on Air Temple Island just like she had with the Bros.
How do people forget these things?

>>109871
Apparently Korra was supposed to throw herself at Asami's feet and beg for forgiveness.

Don't get me wrong, I do think Korra should have apologized but I would've been okay with, "I was being selfish and judgmental and now I really regret hurting you."

>>109870
>people talk about how he's selfish and a jerk when he basically gave up his childhood to raise Bolin. I hope we get flashbacks instead, because god knows the brothers need some focus.
Oh, no, I wasn't going in that direction. More focus, whether on the issues of the past or new problems, would solve every problem there is with the brothers.

>>109872
This is getting into AU talk, but how would events change if Korra didn't try to be the hero and never reported Hiroshi to the cops? The mecha tanks never go through their first "test run", Lin's officers are never captured...

>>109873
Hiroshi invites the brothers down into his basement for popsicles.

Asami is separated from the bros. for reasons and plot and is told by her father that the boys left for business in the city or tell her that Korra barged in and grabbed them up.

Hiroshi has his daughter look after things at the factory and then phones the police and requests that Lin meet at his mansion and to bring Korra because he developed a device that could 'help' the authorities in their apprehension of Amon and the fall of the Equalists.

The mechs undergo a test against two different sets of benders and win because everyone but Mako forgets that they are Earthbending masters or are Bolin. Four apparent threats out of the way. If Asami questions anything claim it was ancient lionturtles.

>>109870
>Like, seeing his parents be murdered in front of his face and then being thrown out onto the streets with his little brother where the only way they could survive was by working for the Triads? I think Mako has suffered enough
Am I the only one who's getting sick of the darkedgy backstories for all these characters, ATLA may have had those too but it made more sense since it was a war.

>>109876
Just because there isn't a war going on doesn't mean people can't die as a result of violence.

>>109876
It makes sense in Korra as well, since they're in the city and there's a poverty problem. Crime is more common the more people there are, and violent crime is more common among poor and uneducated people. Republic City is basically a Hong Kong / New York / London sort of place, so of course there are going to be plenty of murders and organized crime.

>>109868
You know, everybody is saying that what happened to Asami this season was horrible, but while I certainly sympathise with her losses I think that Asami's character arc carries an important message that is often ignored by kid's shows, that sometimes doing the right thing will leave you personally in a worse situation than if you didn't, but to truly be a good person you have to be willing to do the right thing all of the time, not just when it is convenient for you. So personally I'm sort of ok with Asami getting the short end of the stick by the end of the season, when so often beating the bad guy means that all of the good guys get everything they want out of life, it's good to see a case where at least one good guy was horribly damaged by the conflict and will have to pick up the pieces. (And yes, I realise that Asami will eventually come out on top, but for now I'm enjoying the nuance)

>>109829

Oh look a pretty thorough rebuttal to the points laid out by innerpalindrome

http://crystalzelda.tumblr.com/post/30357481238/lets-talk-about-portrayals-of-women-and-femininity-in

>>109878
But Asami is rich and Mako and Bolin are pro-wrestlers. They're not exactly random poor people.

>>109883
It's not about crime happening TO random poor people. Anyone living in the city and not staying strictly within gated communities is going to run INTO random people all the time. And some of those people are going to be violent criminals because it's a city and that's what cities are like. It's why they have a big police force in the first place--places like the Southern Water Tribe in ATLA didn't need them at all, and even something like Kiyoshi Island would probably get away with just having a single constable, whose position was more or less ceremonial (though no doubt the Kiyoshi Warriors themselves would've handled that personally anyway, in that particular case--I'm just talking size and village makeup at the moment).

Cities have violent crime. That's my point. The bigger the city, the worse the crime is going to be. Especially in a 1920's-style era when it's easier to get away with them.

>>109881
Avataraang's tumblr really got more and more retarded, reblogging so much misguided social justice crap. Glad I unfollowed that idiot.
And what's with Lin adn Korra not having a positive relationship? Did they need these characters to say "sorry we started on the wrong foot, I'm glad we've come to respect each other after figting together"? It was all cleraly implied at the end of episode 6. Show, don't tell.

I swear, before episode 5 happened some feminists were complaining about how Korra was going to let Mako go when he was with Asami, while had their genders being reversed, the protagonist would have actively pursued the love interest anyway.
A week later, Korra did exactly that and it was still problematic for some reason.

People where eager to find something anti-feminist with Asami's character since day one
- oh, so she's going to be evil seductress equalist spy? nice sexist cliche, white cis male writers
- now she's pitted against another female character, that's so problematic (nevermind the fact that she never had a problem with Korra and flat out admitted liking her)
- they're obvioulsy setting her up to betray the team and join her father in the finale, all because of a relationship with a man!

Season two won't fix anything since at this point they just want to be offended. They'll complain abut male gaze or something the next time Korra scratches her butt.

>>109886
>And what's with Lin adn Korra not having a positive relationship?

As a girl, I think Bryke did a damn fine job handling Lin and Korra's relationship. Lin isn't the type to wear her heart on her sleeve, obviously, and I think people who wanted her to throw a friendship party for Korra are being selfish and not realizing all friendships develop differently. I think it could use a little more insight, yeah, but I don't think Bryke are awful CIS sexists who hate women.

Also echoing the avataraang disappointment, they used to be one of the best Avatar tumblrs out there but unfortunately she's been lost to the SJ crowd. I pretty much just follow makorracaps and crystalzelda for actual rational thinking.

>>109881

There is a good point in that original argument about having the main female characters in competition with one another over a man at some point. The women were all written respectfully however, so as unnecessary as it was, it wasn't as bad this kind of thing usually is. Most everyone would have preferred to not have the love triangles anyway.

I'm not sure what's wrong with the Korra-Lin relationship. I thought that was one of the best written character dynamics in the whole show. Looks like it's same people bitching about Azula still being crazy in the Promise. It's like they're completely adverse to/too impatient for any kind of interesting character development. I wonder if they also believe Zuko's choice at the end of season 2 was bad writing?

Ignoring the very lamentable misreadings of Lin (people seem to miss how she risked her life for Korra and Pema) for the moment, may I ask: what do people find offensive about female-female antagonistic relationships? Didn't people used to want more active female villains, even? I don't have the tolerance to shift through the tumblr/sj community myself, but it almost seems to be viewed as badly as stuffing love interests into fridges.

>>109883
They weren't pro-wrestlers when their parents were killed. Which brings up a point: Mako trained his ass off for years (and presumably Bolin, too, but Mako seems to handle the financial thinking) to get his firebending the way it is now, and what does that give him? An exhausting manual labor job and a sports gig that barely pays rent.

>>109893

It's not the antagonistic relationship that's a problem. It's that there's 4 principle female characters where both the two young and two old were antagonists over a dude. The Lin-Korra issue is perfectly fine IMO because they clashed over Lin's sense of responsibility and Korra's vigilantism. But having the Korra-Asami and Pema-Lin conflicts both be over boyfriends just feeds into the large pool of women fighting over men in media. Like I said before, LOK handled it in a much better way than most, but it's still disappointing considering how well ATLA handled antagonistic relationships between women without making them seem like petty catfights. Now that the love triangle crap is out of the way though, I'm sure the next few seasons will be totally fine in this regard.

I'm not saying Bryke are sexist scum or whatever tumblr is on about. They do a fantastic job writing women, but they're human and aren't perfect. This is more of a small slip-up than anything else.

>>109895
>but it's still disappointing considering how well ATLA handled antagonistic relationships between women without making them seem like petty catfights
So you're saying you thought they came off as petty catfights in ATLOK? Because I seriously do not see it. There seemed to be less antagonism between Korra and Asami than there was between Toph and Katara (who didn't even have a point of contention beyond clash of personalities, whereas Korra and Asami had both the Mako issue and the fact that it wouldn't have been unexpected for Asami to blame Korra for her father getting arrested), and while Lin didn't seem to like Pema, she was cordial with her and protected her, and even sacrificed her own Bending ability to protect her and her children.

Meanwhile, Katara and Toph's squabbles actually came to a literal fight. In the mud.

>>109899

>Meanwhile, Katara and Toph's squabbles actually came to a literal fight. In the mud.
I completely forgot about that scene, if something similar ever happens in Lok heads will roll. The writer of that episode is back for Korra's season two, let's hope he got the sj memo.

>>109899
It's not they they were petty catfights, it's that they were fighting over a man. Katara and Toph argued, but made up in the end and compromised. Does anyone doubt that they were close friends by the end? The same applies to Lin and Pema.

>and the fact that it wouldn't have been unexpected for Asami to blame Korra for her father getting arrested.
But that wasn't the case, their entire argument was over who gets Mako.

>>109903
In general Lin just doesn't strike me as the type to have a wide social circle, so I don't really get the outrage over her and Pema not being bffs. They obviously get along now and Lin didn't hesitate to sacrifice herself to protect Pema and the kids.

>>109903
They had no argument over who gets Mako. Asami was angry at MAKO for being wishy washy and never blamed Korra at all. Korra was initially jealous of Asami for being more ladylike and for getting to Mako before she could, and she was petty as hell, but Asami proved to her twice that she wasn't just a pretty face and Korra came to respect her by the end of episode 6. They also had a fight over whether or not Hiroshi was in league with the Equalists which had nothing to do with Mako at all.

There wasn't much Pema-Lin antagonism either. Lin was bitter about Tenzin leaving her but later rekindled their friendship without any hints that Lin wanted to "steal" Tenzin back from Pema. Pema passed off her hyperactive 4 year old son to Lin when Lin was asked to guard the place because she was 9 months pregnant. Lin later sacrificed herself to save Tenzin's entire family.

none of that is fighting over who gets the guy??

>>109905
I misspoke. Instead of "argument" I meant interaction.

>>109905

It's still causing antagonism between them over a dude. They got over it pretty quick and focused on being angry at Mako like they should, but it sucks that they even bothered with that crap in the first place. As said before, it was handled much better than most cases, but there was no damn reason for it to happen.

>>109904

Them not being BFFs is no big deal. It just sucks that there are only 4 main female characters in this show, and every single one of them is/was in romantic conflict with another one. It's especially bothersome that one of those conflicts is over an asshole who's treated both Korra and Asami like shit at one point. Really, they should have just kept the Lin-Tenzin-Pema history (which was pretty well done and made Lin's sacrifice all the more touching), and done away with the Korra-Mako-Asami bullshit.

>>109903
>It's not they they were petty catfights, it's that they were fighting over a man.
Is that inherently bad?

>>109901
>The writer of that episode is back for Korra's season two, let's hope he got the sj memo.
Let's not, I don't want them to cave or cater to tha crowd.

>>109907
>It's especially bothersome that one of those conflicts is over an asshole who's treated both Korra and Asami like shit at one point.

Mako didn't treat Korra or Asami like shit? He did some dickish things (unintentionally I might add), but he hardly treated Asami or Korra badly.

>>109915
Yeah, he's an irritating character, but he wasn't a bad person. Just unlikable.

>>109915
>>109916
>Mako didn't treat Korra or Asami like shit
And the Jerkbender Of The Week…
Come on people, this is literally on the frontpage all the time.

In their little band of "friends", Mako has acted like a unrepentant jerk to all of them. Like seriously, I don't think he apologizes for anything ever. Not even for threatening to cut all ties with Korra when she had legitimate concerns over the majority of Republic City's industrial power being in Equalist hands.

If you really want, I could list all the asshole things he's done and NOT apologized for (and came out on top with a total lack of karmic retribution).

>>109913

It's extremely oversaturated in media (especially for girls). Korra is a kid's cartoon, and Bryke have stated they want her to be someone girls can look up to. It just sucks that they'd have all the main female characters conflicting over men in a show with that intent. Plus, it's another in a long line of stories telling young girls that the dude being a jerk actually loves you, so it's ok if he's horrible to you.

I don't think it was intentional on their part. They probably just looked at Twilight and its ilk and decided to go with what's popular.

We are watching different shows. Whenever Mako did or said something douchey (hardly horrible in a world with bending triads, violent cheating athletes and a masked terrorist going around crippling people) Korra called him out, insulted him, or threw him something. She didn't stop chasing Hiroshi to please him. She didn't fell for Tarrlok's manipulation when he was using Mako to gain leverage. You don't see that in Twilight.
And he did apologize for his behaviour, more than once.

>>109923
>Like seriously, I don't think he apologizes for anything ever

He apologized for misjudging Korra when they first met, he apologized when it turned out she was right about Hiroshi, and he apologized to Asami for hurting her in episode 11. When he and Korra were fighting in episode 5, they made up.

I don't know why people seem to get so hung up over him accusing Korra of being jealous when she accused Asami's dad. Hiroshi had basically become a parental figure to Mako -- he barely knew the guy and he dished out 30k so some rookie team could compete in the finals, was ok with him dating his daughter AND let Mako and his brother move in with them when they were homeless again. He had ever reason to be on the defensive when Korra started claiming Hiroshi was an Equalist. Was the jealousy line still dickish? Yes, but just a few episodes before Korra had been up in Mako's face saying when he's with Asami he's thinking of her, and then threw herself at him when he admitted he liked her -- she's an asshole herself. But when he was proven wrong, he apologized, and it's not like he didn't have any reasons to initially take Hiroshi's side.

>>109923
But he's not treating them like shit, just being a jerk. This isn't on the same level of "fighting over someone who treats you horrible" like >>109930 said. Besides, imagine if Mako believed Korra immediately and turned against Asami's dad. Do you think people would still call him an asshole if he did that? Probably.

>>109930
It's obviously not all that common, since someone in this thread pointed out that it wasn't present in ATLA.

>>109916
This. Mako isn't a very likeable or well-done character at all, but I'm getting tired of the way rabid haters exaggerate how evil and horrible he is, like he was a serial babyraper or something.

>>109938
Well, he was a firebender.

>>110013
Okay, that last comparison actually made me laugh.

>>110013
>creators don't think of him as his own character

>>110016
The flawless skin one is clearly the funniest.

>>110013
>>prose handjob for Zuko

That's pretty damn funny.

That moment when Grey DeLisle became my favorite voice actress

>>110353
Dude, I hope she never changes or ragequits from whatever it is shes doing. Those voice clips as Azula are fucking hilarious.

>>110353

I'm surprised it took this long for the SJWs to lose their shit over her.

>>110353
She's a goddess.
Too bad the sj bullies aren't gonna stop, she's on their blacklist now.

>1. Grey did say a joke about Justin Bieber having a vagina, and since some transexuals thought it was offensive, she should have just apologized sincerely.

So that's the horrible thing she did, talk about first world problems.
Isn't it funny how trans people make like 1% of the population yet on tumblr everyone is a disabled autistic trans atheist of color?

>>110359
Considering trans people are murdered on a near-regular basis because attitudes like that that are perpetuated, nah, I don't think you can call that a first-world problem. It's a flat-out problem, period.

Whether you agree or disagree about whether what she did was bad enough to rile up Tumblr, she's handling this like a 13 year old rather than a near-40 year old who hopefully has the experience to know that sticking her fingers in her ears and going "This MY blog I do what I want, it's just a joke" rather actually listening to what the people not going "fuck you" as their complaint have to say isn't going to do you any favors. (Also "I can think of more offensive blogs! PORN BLOGS!" Really?)

I'm saying this as a fan of her work. It's alright to take a step backward and recognize when people you enjoy and admire have fucked up.

>>110361

Hey, I know lots of kinds of people who get murdered on a near-everyday basis. Doesn't mean I'm not going to make jokes about murder. Fuck, I know Goths who've been killed for being goths. You saying I can't make laugh about stereotypes like their 'tortured souls' anymore? Pfft.

There's too much high-horsing in the name of tolerance and people can't take jokes anymore because everything's an attack on them.

Anon is right, it's just first-world problems. Grey is old enough to have what Tumblr doesn't; some perspective.

>>110362
I can assure you you would be singing a different tune if one of those people you knew were violently murdered just of the way they dress (seriously, I've heard of Goths being discriminated against but I don't recall there ever being a story of one them being beaten, raped then tied to fence post and left to die). And if for whatever reason you wouldn't, well I can't say anything about that but in general people react negatively to those sort of things.

As far as I can tell, these SJWs have been pretty cordial about the whole situation, probably because a lot of them respected Grey and she reacted like a 13 year old. It isn't so much as a first world problem as it's people trying to help make things better for oppressed people by tackling the language problem, like you know, by trying to stop 'he has a vagina HAHA IT'S FUNNY' sort of stuff.

I was pretty neutral to Grey before she got a tumblr, but now I gotta say I don't care for her much. Not gonna rag on people who're still fans though.

A nice summary of the clusterfuck last night http://aleishadreams.tumblr.com/post/34219839912/almostisntgoodenough-2012-10-24-02-51-what-did

The whole thing started when people were harassing Grey DeLisle in her own tag!

>>110365
Sooo both sides were wrong. Gotcha.

>>110361
>Considering trans people are murdered on a near-regular basis

Funny how I never hear about it in the news.

>>110363
>As far as I can tell, these SJWs have been pretty cordial about the whole situation

They freaked out about something that shouldn't be an issue and harassed Grey for no reason. Grey said "I didn't mean to offend anyone", which should be obvious, but they're asking for an apology, and they don't deserve one. They do this all the time, when someone in their circles says something politically incorrect, they demagogue them until they get an apology. I'm happy someone's finally standing up to them. If Grey committed some unspeakable/unforgiveable offense, then fine. They should stop talking to her or about her, and cloister themselves in their own little world so the rest of us don't have to deal with their bullshit.

What's that saying... telling me I've offended you just lets me know I have more control over your emotions than you do.

>>110367
>Funny how I never hear about it in the news.

There is a lot of shit you don't hear about on the news.

Read about 'em here: http://www.avp.org/ncavp.htm

>>110369
Doesn't mean that it's a widespread problem

>>110370
When the average life expectancy of a trans person is 23 years of age (due to murder and suicide) I'd say it's a problem. But I'm derailing the topic here, and what it's stemmed from has more or less been resolved here >>110365

Tumblr desperately needs to find it's sense of humor.

I'm pretty sure if I posted dead baby jokes they would flood me with child abuse stories.

Grey's latest:

>An Open Letter To The Social Justice Mafia of Tumblr:

Hey Guys, (and by “guys” I mean cisgenders, transgenders, gays, lesbians, bi-sexuals, straights, Lithuanians, Converted-Catholics etc….hope the generally used term “guys” isn’t offensive ) -
The reason that I deleted the negative posts from my blog yesterday was NOT because I was sorry. I deleted them because they were pure negativity and I can’t believe I actually felt the need to DEFEND myself for a stupid Justin Bieber joke from 3 months ago…or the so-called “ableist/racist” joke:

“I got your back!” -Siamese Twins
(STILL HILARIOUS!!!)

Listen…I have friends and followers of all colors, sizes, genders, creeds and abilities and I’m truly proud to know them…and as a former theater geek, I would venture to say that I may actually have MORE gay friends than straight ones as well as a transgender family member that is celebrated and embraced
wholeheartedly.
Wanna know what all of these people have in common? A SENSE OF HUMOR!!!!

Tumblr is my “happy place”! I log on to escape the day to day crap, tell dumb jokes, attend prom on Tiny Chat, and fangirl with the best of them! I AM A NICE PERSON.
Not one of my stupid posts has EVER been mean-spirited or targeted ANY group of people in a nasty way.
The “SJWs” on the other hand have called me horrible names, made malicious accusations (I never called gay people one-armed iguanas…and when I used the term “normal people” I was referring to the 99% of Tumblr without a bug up it’s ass!!!), and have blogs that spew more hate and vitriol than I’ve ever witnessed on the internet…and as a person who enjoys reading YouTube comments…. that’s saying A LOT!

This whole thing is really sad because I truly believe that a lot of these people started out with the best of intentions. Unfortunately, in so VICIOUSLY defending their beliefs against so-called bigots and transphobes like me (and TINA FEY!!!??? Seriously!!!!) they have actually BECOME the very sort of people they think they’re fighting against.

The only hate that I truly hold in my heart is for BULLIES and that is what you people are.

This is the last time I’ll be addressing this nonsense. Everyone is getting sick of it and I’m no exception.

Think about spreading love and laughter from now on. It’s much more powerful than hate (plus you’d probably get WAY more followers!!!!)

XO
-Grey

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COMMENCE SHITSTORM ROUND 2

>>110376
I'm falling in love with this woman.

>>110376

http://alittledropofheaven.tumblr.com/post/34283661154/my-take-on-social-justice-warriors-grey-delisle

>>110379

>tl;dr It’s okay. I had to get it off my chest. First Sifu, then Bryan, now this. Maybe the crew of A:TLA are not the problem. Maybe you are. Ever thought about that?

I do like abridged arguments. Grey's TRUE problem is that she didn't have a tl;dr at the end of her open letter. That's just criminal.

>>110379
>First Sifu, then Bryan, now this.
Actually Bryan, the evil white cis man, still hasn't done anything bad for sj standard, at least not on tumblr.

>>110381
As a heterosexual cis white ablebodied ableminded carnivorous male Bryan is the worst person on the planet Earth by default as far as tumblr is concerned.

>>110381
>>110382
A white cis able bodied male-conforming blob attempting to write a strong brown female is oppressive. No wonder she gets her bending privilege back.

http://isgreydelislefunnyyet.tumblr.com/

Tumblr continues to provide the mature and well thought out arguments the internet has come to expect of social justice.

Thank goodness Yamino is way too distracted with Sailor Moon to notice all this bullshit, though I wonder what could she think about this.

And speaking of >>110385
There's also this one: http://gayone-armediguana.tumblr.com/

>>110385

This lovely little stalkerblog is run by http://stelmarias.tumblr.com/

>>110386
ugh, I hate taking about internet celebrities but feel compelled to post this.
http://yamino.tumblr.com/post/34239061481/it-really-sucks-when-a-cool-famous-person-who-you

avatards, you guys have way too much drama in your lives

go out and get laid and stop filling twitter and other internets with your drama shit that you could get over by toking up

love, da fopster

>>110389

I'm perfectly fine with a nice and boring fandom inbetween Books of Korra, it's just the fandom has been hijacked by a gaggle of assholes with Unwarranted Self Importance that start shitstorms at the drop of a pin. It's really getting old now and it's goddamn tiring.

>>110386
From the name it sounds like a troll blog.

>>110391
The depressing thing is that social justice blogs have gotten so ridiculous and over the fucking top these days that a troll and a genuine lunatic are nearly indistinguishable if the troll avoids laying it on too thick.

>>110376
>Tina Fey
wait what

>>110388
She's simply not that bright, honestly. I stopped following her when she started transtrending with the whole they/zey crap, basically appropriating trans* stuff because she looks androgynous (but I'm told she toned down that). This is the woman that unironically praises Ditto (yep, the pokemon) for being genderfluid. This is the woman that claims with a straight face that public restrooms signs are oppressive and heteronormative.

>>110395
>transtrending with the whole they/zey crap
>praises Ditto for being genderfluid
>public restrooms signs are oppressive and heteronormative
what the fuck, seriously

This latest shitstorm seems to be subsiding. I'm just gonna drop a couple rebuttal nuggets I bookmarked while it was raging:

http://woolyhoodyboy.tumblr.com/post/34219817980/everybody-knows-im-a-motherfucking-monster-grey

>I’m trans and I think this is bullshit.

>1. I browsed through 15 pages of Avatar, poop and selfies. No cissexism so far.

>2. Are you really offended by someone who blogs Avatar, poop noodles and selfies?

>3. I’m called a gay, one-armed iguana, who cares? It’s a fucking iguana.

>Oh, she voices the Diablo female Wizard. Lol, I’ve only played the male Wizard!

>Anyway, her blog just seems like trolling and random crap. Don’t make all the trans people look like whiners.

http://equivocal-etude.tumblr.com/post/34219751764/everybody-knows-im-a-motherfucking-monster-grey

>>LO-fucking-L is THAT why everyones mad? No she didnt call them that, she said something like “if i offended a gay one armed iguana demographic”

>>im still searching for exactly what she did because im very curious and ever excited to start fighting with people

>>who did she abuse? And what does her skin colour and identity have to do with anything?

>>and hahaha youre gonna find all the shows shes in so you can boycott watching them looool you people are HILARIOUS

>To random passersby, you make the trans community and social justice bloggers look bad.

>>110395

You seem to have been following a different blog because I've never seen that from Yamino. Never seen her use neutral pronouns for herself and the only mention of bathroom signs I've ever seen are stories of when she got harassed because she looked androgynous while using a women's restroom so on that front she seems to have actual personal experience. The Ditto thing I vaguely remember, I'll have to double check, but I think you have your wires crossed.

That said, I missed out on all the Grey DeLisle kerfuffle because I was spending all my time playing video games or being at work this week. I think I won out on that regard.

>>110401
Sometimes I kind of feel bad for the regular ass transgender people who are trying to quietly move over to the opposite sex without stirring up a fuss, and how they now get associated with the bigenderdemifluidpanaromanticsexuals screaming die cis scum everywhere they go.

I imagine it feels like a much more horrible version of being gay and being largely defended and represented on the internet by yaoi fangirls.

>>110388
>>110395
Damn it yamino,
we used to be totes bros.

>>110403
These people already ruined "transgender" as a concept for me, I just have too many hangups about it (philosophically) and these people online just called me bigot cis scum for having them. Weird since I have a trap fetish 0_0;

now people are making blogs like "wherearegreydelislesnipples" and shit
do these people even see what they're typing?
http://wherearegreydelislesnipples.tumblr.com/

>>110411

I'm fucking lost. Beyond lost.

This is some sociopathic sick shit. I hope these assholes get doxed.

So apparently one of the retarded (Oh, sorry, that's ableist) Tumblrites made their way to the Cracked.com forums and started trying to spread their bile there as well.

http://www.cracked.com/forums/topic/48745/links-that-reveal-famous-people-to-be-horrible-human-beings/460

It's about halfway down the page from a poster named Telesam.

>>110413

Looks like nobody there is buying their slop. Good.

In related news, these fucks have been trying to 'out' antisocialjustice27 as a Grey DeLisle sockpuppet today too, only they're total fucking idiots that can't use computers. So they are absolutely wrong. Here's a link that debunks this garbage:

http://abhortion.tumblr.com/post/34463743180/grey-delisle-reciepts

Grey made a few posts on tumblr in the evening showing off photos of her day, taking her son out for a day at Chuck E Cheese and a go-kart track. If these assholes are to be believed Grey was able to travel with her son around Burbank, supervise him, and keep him safe while running a tumblr sockpuppet journal from her mobile device AT THE SAME TIME. Something fuckin' Azula would be jealous of!

Pic FUCKING related.

>>110412
Don't wish that on anybody. It's illegal and it just means you sink to their level.

>>110414

http://lord-jojo.tumblr.com/post/34463760821/so-apparently-someone-found-grey-delisles-ip

sauce on the IP shenanigans.

>mfw a SJW tries to get technical near me

http://ungit.tumblr.com/post/34472145749
I lol'd.

>>110414
>>110416
People are falling for it.
http://sf-drama.livejournal.com/3392600.html

>>110421
>People are falling for it.

Of course they're falling for it. You linked to a site already filled with SJ fundamentalists. That would be like saying people are falling for creationist propaganda by linking to www.answersingenesis.com/

It only proves that the only places they can get support for this kind of shit is by preaching to the choir. Link that crap on any normal website (i.e. ones not exclusively dedicated to and populated by Social Justice fanatics) and you'll get the same exact reaction you saw in my link to the Cracked.com forums. People scratching their heads and wondering what the fuck it is these loons are going on about.

>>110421

What happened to sf_drama? They used to be hilarious.

Social Justice Warriors happened to sf_d. It used to be hilarious, and then the feminists took over.

>>110424

>then the feminists took over

Because lol femenism, right?

>>110425
yes, very much lol feminism

>>110424
ignoring the misogyny troll above, I have found "internet feminists" to generally be among the worst of the SJW crowd, especially because of how ubiquitous they are compared to the other types
not to mention feminism is a lot broader of a topic so it's a lot easier to trigger their wrath than it is to trigger, say, an otherkin/multiple/ableism SJW
I swear, they actively search for excuses to call you a traitor to your sex over the stupidest and most mundane shit

>>110427
not being feminist doesn't make you a misogynist...

>>110428

I would argue that. Besides, blanket labeling misguided social justice bloggers as "feminists" *is* misogynist.

>>110429

Pfffft.

>>110428
doesn't matter how much you do or don't agree with the actual ideas of feminism i.e. women and men shouldn't be treated on different levels just because of their sex
according to them, not agreeing with them 100% = not a real feminist = misogynist

>>110429
reread my post, I was very clearly referring to the feminist wing of militant social justice warriors, of which there are a lot, not all social justice warriors or all internet users who are feminists in general

>>110430
You know what? I deserve that. This is why you stick around, for when I say stuff like that.

>>110431

Sorry, I never know where to draw the line anymore.

I guess in repentance, a link I found that has kind of a tangential tie to Delisle's Beiber joke:

http://dumbthingssocialjusticeblogssay.tumblr.com/post/28782511375/im-a-trans-man-who-dislikes-the-tumblr-social-justice

(The rest of that blog is good, too.)

>>110431

I read an interesting thing about the feminist SJWs. It basically brought up the point that they're mostly younger women and teens who were too young to remember how badly the 2nd wave of feminism handled things (and probably haven't taken a women's studies class to learn about it). So they go back to that whole us vs. them rhetoric that isn't at all appealing to changing minds and getting people outside of their circles to talk about issues. It's sad really because SJWs basically take important, real issues and make a mockery of them. Think of how many people they've alienated who might've stopped and listened if they weren't such reactionary dicks. ) :

>>110424

sf_drama was always feminist. Some of their best posts were taking down misogynistic dickbags. They just went extreme SJW on us, I guess.

>>110429
>Besides, blanket labeling misguided social justice bloggers as "feminists" *is* misogynist.

Wait so you take this back? Because I disagree, they all self-identify as feminists so this doesn't make much sense.

>>110442

Wait, like, you disagree with me taking it back, or disagree with the original statement, which I am taking back?

Months ago, I came across a spat on wank_report about how Social Justice Warriors had killed Journalfen. Found that hard to believe, but now I'm a believer. It's hard to make fun of anything related to social issues without coming off as being insensitive to someone.

>>110443
I disagree with the original statement @_@

Someone needs to post this.

>>110442
not all of them do
there's a lot of overlap to the point that feminist SJ is almost an umbrella class of SJ, but you've got other kinds which don't necessarily identify themselves as feminists such as otherkin, transethnicism, pluralism, and veganism SJ
in fact there are a bunch of racism and cis-male homosexuality SJWs who are openly misogynistic, so no, not all SJW are necessarily feminist SJWs

>>110449

This comic...it's offensive.

>>110450
>in fact there are a bunch of racism and cis-male homosexuality SJWs who are openly misogynistic, so no, not all SJW are necessarily feminist SJWs
But they all identify as feminist, the black SJWs just get a free pass for saying bitch/cunt because it'd be raciss to tell them off

>>110461

...Wait, when did the race of the hypothetical Social Justice blogger suddenly come into the conversation?

>>110452
You are offensive, slaver.

>>110471

I know you are, but what am I?

>>110473
The Dai Li, another source of evil.

>>110475

No, I am rubber, and you are glue, and what bounces off me sticks to you!

http://regina-and-the-dragons.tumblr.com/post/34240560755/this-is-my-grey-delisle-debacle-receipts-masterpost

Seriously tumblr?

>This is where she, out of nowhere, starts complaining about ~*~SJWs~*~ and how ~*~ridiculous~*~ they are. And then she dismisses the concerns of trans* people by comparing them to “the one-armed, gay iguana demographic,” which is shitty both because she’s dismissing legitimate complaints and because it demonstrates that she doesn’t really understand not being an enormous douche as anything other than catering to niche demographics.

Never understood why social justice types are so hostile to one-armed gay iguanas and other marginalizes classes of society like them. :/

I feel like I gotta say something.

Yeah, some people get irrational in regards to this subject. Sometimes it leads to them being an outright shitty person by sending death threats, stalking, etc. Sometimes they're people who aren't effected at all and are just joining in to give themselves pats on the back. It's not wrong to shake your head at those people.

But when you adopt the stance of "anti-SJW" and start making sarcastic remarks about triggering blanksexuals and stuff like that, you have started down a bad road. Because no matter what directions individuals might take it, the core concept of social justice is a pretty important one: "let's not be shitty to each other." By framing active supporters of that concept as automatically suspect, you make it easier to disregard the concept itself.

Grey made a joke about Justin Bieber having a vagina (which, frankly, is grade school material in terms of comedy). Someone else said that that's kind of a shitty joke to make because dudes with vaginas actually exist and have to put up with a lot of crap. She could have apologized or even ignored it, but instead she scoffed at "social justice warriors" and managed to worsen the situation tenfold by picking a fight with an entire ideology.

I just get uneasy when people get into wankfests over putting down SJWs, especially because it always seems to attract the people who genuinely do think [LGBTQ/ethnic minority/feminist] rights are a load of bull. You might not agree with them, but you're making them feel at home.

>>110539

She didn't make fun of the SJWs until they started screaming at her, though.

>>110539
>But when you adopt the stance of "anti-SJW" and start making sarcastic remarks about triggering blanksexuals and stuff like that, you have started down a bad road. Because no matter what directions individuals might take it, the core concept of social justice is a pretty important one: "let's not be shitty to each other."
No it isn't. Social justice is based on being shitty to people they deem as "privileged".

>dudes with vaginas actually exist
>mfw

>>110539
SJW's? 'Social justice warriors'?
Worthless people, scum on the ass of humanity.
More like Social Justice Wankers.

>>110539

People can be left wing and laugh at China.

And China does more to destroy the integrity of the left than those who laugh at them do.

>>110541

Dude, Female-to-Male Trans people at least exist. That's not even any sort of preaching, it's pretty basic.

The problem isn't with Social Justice, it never was, the problem is with the Riley's who think it's okay to tell somebody they deserve to die for being born white/cis/male and what have you. It's the select few communities who do stuff like claim they have multiple personality disorder (or multiple systems, as they like to call it) and claim you're an ableist or "singlist" for telling them they don't really have Rose from Homestuck in their brain. If that were otherwise true, those of us that protested the movie years ago would have been no different that shit like the Arkh project.

>>110539
>Someone else said that that's kind of a shitty joke to make because dudes with vaginas actually exist and have to put up with a lot of crap.

...Yeah, that's not what happened. What happened was that she was badgered and hounded for her display of privilege. Once your solution to stop perceived bullying is to become a bully yourself, you deserve to be mocked. Regardless of what cause you're being an asshole in the name of.

>>110539

>Grey made a joke about Justin Bieber having a vagina

This isn't what happened. At all.

The 'joke' was made nearly a month before Grey started commenting on SJW assholes spamming her askbox with hate and the Big Dog SJW's only had the 'Beiber Vagina Cissexist joke" that never really was as ammo to launch against her.

The problem here isn't with social justice advocates, it's with sociaopathic assholes on the internet using social justice as an excuse for their cyberbullying.

>>110548
>communities who do stuff like claim they have multiple personality disorder (or multiple systems, as they like to call it) and claim you're an ableist or "singlist" for telling them they don't really have Rose from Homestuck in their brain
Huh? This is actually a thing?

>>110554

It sounds like I'm making shit up, but there really are people like that.

(Even down to the "Rose from Homestuck" bit. This blogger was lamenting the introduction of a troll who was an SJSally to the cast of Homestuck.)

>>110559
oh come on please tell me that's a troll

>>110580
I wish you were right.

>>110559
Avatar fandom taught me, some people idiots

>>110559
>Tumblr Feminism®

>>110586
Avatar fandom taught me that valid criticism is dismissed with "troll" and "tumblr"

>>110587

Yeah, that image isn't wrong; the first part was people's biggest complaint with the finale even. I know people online can get hyperbolic about LOK's problems, but they still exist.

>>110588
If it's not hyperbole it gets ignored (even by the creators).

And if it is hyperbole, it is posted as a macro image and loses all credibility.

>>110587
Fanboys, mang

You want some valid criticism? I got some valid fucking criticism for you. All these whiny little shits complaining about the show are blowing it all out of proportion. Yes, the show could have benefited from being about 4 episodes longer to flesh out the characters a bit more, but when I see things like that ridiculous "strong females" image macro it makes me want to beat one of those pricks with my laptop (which won't actually happen, calm your tits).
Would you rather that Lin had done NOTHING to try to stop Amon? Don't you think that even if she knew what she did wasn't going to stop the Equalists from getting the Air Bender family that she'd just say "Fuck it."? No, she would have done whatever it would have taken to stop Amon and his cult.
Would the fandom have preferred that Asami were more like Bella Swan from Twilight who just curled up and cried when things went to shit instead of getting up fighting the bad guys even though her own father was one of them?
Maybe you can get away with the one about Korra, but you've lost out on the one thing that has defined your entire life then you're allowed to be a little sad about it.
All in all it seems to me like the fandom wanted this show to be some kind of epic morality play instead of just a story. Even though it's a story told with tight pacing, gorgeous animation and attention to detail, not to mention some top-notch voice acting, it somehow just wasn't good enough unless the whole list of moral cliches was checked off.
But I'm sure they'll all still watch every fucking episode and deconstruct each one atom by atom to make sure they're just the right kind of pissed off.
Fuck them.

>>110592
At least by watching it they give it ratings? That is unless they just watch on Youtube. Bryke learned to ignore the fandom long ago so it doesn't phase them when things get blown out of proportion.

>>110592
Not sure how to respond to this kind of stream of consciousness rant.

I will say though, things would be a lot simpler if people stopped trying to control others in the fandom. Learn to ignore shit you don't like, as no amount of complaints or temper tantrums will change anything. And this applies to both the criticizers, and those who criticize the criticizers. Personally I wasn't inspired by LoK, so my perspective might be different from someone more emotionally invested.

>>110592

>>110592

I'd have liked it if the show was written better. Seriously, calm your ass down.

>>110593
>At least by watching it they give it ratings
One does begin to wonder why they bother. If they dislike the show as much as they claim to, they should be endeavoring to keep them from making more episodes.

>>110595
Then don't respond to it. And I've ignored it for a long time and I'm sick of it. You can't go anywhere online and discuss the show without there being a loud contingent of people dumping all over it. Seriously, the show wasn't perfect by any means but the RELENTLESS trashing makes me nuts!
>>110597
I thought the writing was fine, just rushed. I honestly believe that the show suffered because it was just too short. Everything else about it was fine. Remember, if you're entitled to your opinion, and you are, then I'm entitled to mine.
>>110598
This is precisely what I'm saying. Is there a word for a fan who hates the thing they're a fan of? These people exist in EVERY fandom, but they insist on participating in said fandom purely to dump all over the property in question. It happens with Star Wars, it's happening on 4chan's /co/ with Young Justice, it happens in music (there's a Smashing Pumpkins board out there that I swear exists for the sole purpose of trashing the new record, even though they all insist they like the band). For the people who like whatever it is, this shit gets old really fast. For myself and Legend of Korra, I am DONE with it.

>>110599
If people insulting a show makes you nuts, you should probably take a step away from the internet and reexamine your priorities.

I'm a huge Avatar fan, but just because people dislike whatever it is I like, doesn't mean I'll throw a fit.

>>110600
>take a step away from the internet and reexamine your priorities.

I love this argument and I'll tell you why. It implies that the person it's being flung at has nothing better to do than get online and be annoyed. Because how dare that person go to a message board dedicated to a specific property and comment in any way.
My priorities are fine, thank you very much. If want to take roughly ten minutes out of my day to come here and see if there's been any news about the show, look at cool fan art and participate in the discussions about both shows then I will damn well do so.
You yourself are entitled to "prioritise" and "throw fits" as you see fit.
For anyone else who may have missed this, all I am is one fan frustrated over deluge of negativity and decided to say so. Thanks.

>>110601
>It implies that the person it's being flung at has nothing better to do than get online and be annoyed.
Actually, it implies that you shouldn't be taking criticism of a show (I assume that you had no part in making) personally.

You're going to have to get used to people not liking what you like because it'll happen a lot. Granted, you could just get angry every time, but I'd advise against it.

>>110603
It seems anon is annoyed at how nothing is going on here except for bitching about the current state of things, and I agree. I used to come here often to see what the latest activity with the Gaang Jr. was and other fandom going-ons. Nowadays, the only thing really going on is complaining at the drop of a pin. Sure, there's still some other activity, I check every now and then for interesting fan art, but a lot of wind has been taken out of the community, even before Korra aired.

>>110604
I'd say excitement was pretty high just before and during Korra's first half. Honestly, I don't think it was until the finale that everyone just kinda blew up.

But yeah, that's just how it is. Can't make people (contributors) get excited for cool AUs when a sizable portion doesn't even like the original content.

>>110592

A billion denares to this gentleman. He's absolutely right.

Sadly, so is: >>110604 . Certainly for me, Hanging around here and /co/ has been a largely negative experience as a fan, so I haven't contributed nearly as many stories or pieces of art than I would've liked. And it seems everyone would prefer to complain about the show than go back and do stuff...and me, well I still draw Gaang Jr. fanart every now and then just to doodle, but there's no place for it anymore here, even though I enjoy shit like the round robins and stuff. Hell, we haven't even got a Wolfbatman Beyond thread up here.

Still. Lets get some perspective. We managed to keep going for so long before because it was off the back of a 3 season series with 24 episodes in a piece, not one season with half of that content. For it's size, aside from the ending I'd put it up against the first 12 episodes of Avatar handily, certainly once you get passed the 'newness' of the Avatar-world.

Ah well, I dunno...maybe I'll try and make something for something later. Or something. We'll see. Point is I like the board but its just been miserable coming on here for the past few weeks and the only new comments are ones bashing the show or arguing all the god-damn time. We aren't a fast-moving board of thick flowin' and varied opinions here; stuff sticks around, so people need to be more aware about the rest of the silent majority before they post stuff...namely that the silent majority stay that way because they simply don't went to get engaged in the constant negativity they see here. I sure as hell don't. So please guys, just ease up- there's /co/ to talk all the trash you want about it...(and this thread, but I'd prefer if it weren't the only one decently active).

>>110606

You're jumping to conclusions. I don't post in here that often because Korra just doesn't interest me as much as ATLA did, not because of the negativity or whatever. I love the world building and the animation/art is incredible, but the story (past the first 4 episodes, which were fantastic) and the characters were mostly blah. It doesn't help that the story arcs are self-contained, so we can't have the same kind of speculation that we had for ATLA. I'm optimistic for the next seasons to be better, but at this point I'm mostly interested in the comics and what else we may see of the older Gaang in LOK.

Maybe once I have the free time, I could start up a thread on the background paintings or something? I can't see there being much negativity with that one.

>>110600
It's not that "insulting a show we like" is annoying us, it's that we can't talk about something we enjoy because people turn any conversation about the show into a bitchfest. We can't do Wolfbatman Beyond threads or anything like that because if we do, someone inevitably has to derail the thread into BITCHING ABOUT KORRA THREAD #7752.

I can't speak for everyone who's complaining about Bitchfest 2012, but I know I personally would not mind so much if you motherfuckers would learn to talk about ANYTHING ELSE.

>>110609

What's worse, bitching or bitching about the bitching? Seriously, chill out and start a thread about something cool to talk about. You're taking this way too personally.

>>110606
Thank you darling, and I'm a lady, rather than a gentleman (pic related, sort of). Still, it's nice to know that there are people out there who get my point.
>>110609
This also illustrates my point nicely. There isn't a single aspect of the show that can't be discussed in almost any type of thread that doesn't get invaded by the whining crowd.
>>110612
Oh and this "you're taking it too personally" bullshit? Yeah, I'm all done with that, too. As I pointed out before, I'm talking about a specific show on a board dedicated to that show. I'm expressing my opinion on something going on in the fandom of that show and how I'm unhappy with what's going on. If anyone is going to accuse me of "taking it too personally" then I have to dismiss them as being ridiculous. I am using this message board for it's intended purpose, deal with it.

>>110608

Well I'm not speaking for everyone obviously, but I've talked to other people and they generally agree, so I have to assume it's something like that.

>>110612

Get some perspective, son. There's griping and then there's griping 24/7. When the entire fandom looks like it's just gnashing its teeth because they can't get over relationship issues in a kids show it really just sours the whole idea of getting involved discussions or activities about it simply because you don't want to deal with the inevitable bullshit that'll turn up (or you imagine will).

>>110617

Uh, what? All I said was if you don't like how the discussion is going, then start a new topic. Complaining about people complaining isn't going to do anything.

>>110620

And where does complaining to people who are complaining about complaining put you?

>>110621

I'm not complaining, just stating a fact.

>>110620
As it has already been pointed out, how many times do we have to do this? There have been many threads made about other aspects of the show that are without fail inevitably invaded by Bitchfest 2012. We're just plain sick of it.

>>110623
Okay this is just ludicrous. I went through two pages and found about five threads trying to discuss new things and there hasn't been a single mention of hating the show.

https://plus4chan.org/b/a/res/110493.html
https://plus4chan.org/b/a/res/110451.html
https://plus4chan.org/b/a/res/110240.html
https://plus4chan.org/b/a/res/102323.html
https://plus4chan.org/b/a/res/110028.html

This isn't to mention the fanfiction thread which has always been a hotbed for new ideas.

Hell, even the space race thread that we have going on now is just a rehash of a pretty recent idea in the fanfiction thread.

This "problem" is nonexistent. You are not being assaulted with "bitching". These threads died on their own because guess what, there aren't as many people excited about Korra as they were for AtLA. That is an undeniable fact.

I'm not trying to depress anyone here, but pointing fingers and playing the blame game for why this board isn't as active is not helping.

sage for unrelated bullshit to Avatar

>>110624
So you're saying that in the 30 threads you looked at, you found five that didn't have bitching, and that counts as a point in your favor? That's a 16% success rate.

>>110625
emphasis on "trying to discuss new things" so not counting this thread, the fanart threads, etc.

seriously, this nitpicking bickering is retarded

I'm just here to say I know that no matter how much of an improvement season 2 is, people will still be calling Korra awful because Mike and Bryan failed to adhere to their bizarre headcanons.

Looking at you, people already shipping Bolin with Korra's cousin.

>>110627
>shippers in charge of not being total retards

>2013
>Nickelodeon in charge of not hiring total retards

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>110632

This shit? That shit you're doin' there? That shit's ending.

>>110634
Wow

>>110638

Hey, it was only for a day and he deserved it. It's one thing to talk about valid criticisms of the show (Mako's characterization, the pacing, the ending, yadda yadda) It's another to call all of Korra's production staff retards.

>>110632
>2013
>assuming that writing a tv show is the easiest thing ever and it will always turn out perfectly every single time you do it and if it isn't perfect then you must have some sort of mental handicap and should be shunned for it

in other news, here is actually a good post that sums up why I don't ride the mako hate train:
http://semi-slaughtomatic.tumblr.com/post/22498394688/oh-what-was-that-mako-you-think-korra-is

>>110643

Too much sense for this thread.

Sharkie, ban this rabble-rouser.

>>110643
That... doesn't make him not a wanker, especially with how he acts on it.

You seem to be getting off on not being one of the 'sheep' who 'blindly hate on him only because its the popular opinion'.

>>110643
>in other news, here is actually a good post that sums up why I don't ride the mako hate train:

There are far more 'Likes' to that post than I expected.

Also, I thought this comment was interesting:
>And reading this, I start to see that this whole Asami-Mako-Korra situation is the traditional love triangle with the gender roles reversed: the center point (Mako) is torn between the stable, “societally acceptable” love interest (Asami) and the wild one who takes her- uh, him on adventures (Korra).
http://rowboatcopss.tumblr.com/post/22538641833

Hadn't thought of it that way.

>>110646
There's actually a pretty sizable population of Mako fangirls on tumblr.

>>110643
And the Jerkbender Of The Week…
still relevant

>>110647
fangirls fall head over heels for hot assholes, isn't that the "conventional wisdom"?

>>110649
mako isn't really an asshole, though. he did an assholish thing (not being upfront about his feelings about korra) and he can be a stick in the mud but he isn't like edward cullen tier.

>>110650
Mako is a teenage boy. Teenage boys are not famed for the great relationship choices they make. The fact that he was torn between who he thought was a better fit socially (Asami) and who he actually had an unexpressed desire for (Korra) is very telling. I mean he LITERALLY expressed his concerns out loud. Not to mention that there was the underlying concern (epxressed in more sublte ways) that he wanted his little brother to be happy.
Also, one of the problems that people with rough childhoods have is that they are at times unwilling to trust new people. Or sometimes they trust too willingly. Mako displayed his unwillingness to trust Korra when he first met her, only to realise that she has the ultimate in trustworthy credentials as the Avatar. Bolin of course, trusts her right away becasue he reflects the opposite of Mako's trust issues.
He made some bad decisions and didn't behave as well as he could have, but that hardly makes him an asshole. A dummy-head sure, but not an asshole.

>>110649
the presentation and handling of his character was badly done but as an actual person he's not as morally bankrupt as the antifags insist he is

The way they portrayed Mako's character wasn't necessarily that bad, it's just that they broke the cardinal rule of "show don't tell".

We're told that he had a rough childhood, as growing up a homeless orphan would imply, but we don't really get to see any of that.

We're told that he and Bolin worked for the triads at some point, but they apparently left on decent enough terms that they could go back if they wanted, so it couldn't have been that bad a gig.

We're told that his brother means the world to him, but he's shown to be very condescending towards Bolin more often than not. It might be realistic, and even justified, but not in any way that endears him to the audience.

>>110658

>it's just that they broke the cardinal rule of "show don't tell"
Is it really a rule though? Because the most acclaimed Nolan movies constantly break it, yet no one seems to care.

>>110659
Nolan's Batman gets plenty of flak for that.

>>110659
That's because it's Batman. We know his history, even in a complete reboot rewrite. Blind, deaf, and dumb people know Batman.

We have been told of this teenager who is apparently suppose to be the responsible level-headed cool under pressure guy who rose to the challenge of raising his younger brother after a traumatic experience - but we aren't show anything to this effect in his maturity or planning.

We have been told that Korra has at least managed to get the forms of airbending down but still can't actually airbender. We see her use her other elements, but she doesn't even try to see if a followup form will produce air during a confrontation and when she does it's a punch of air to apparently selflessly save, of all people, Mako.

At least with Asami we are told she is, in the words of many Asamifags, pretty much perfect and we have evidence shown to us over the course of the Book. But she was a plot point and helped bring down the series by being this point in the n-sided love polygon.

Overall this United Republic of Nations is just no country for told men and many other people just wanted more of the Gaang back when we weren't just Knights of the told Republic.

>>110661

>That's because it's Batman. We know his history, even in a complete reboot rewrite. Blind, deaf, and dumb people know Batman.
Stopped reading right here. Inception isn't Batman and that movie is 100% tell don't show. Page character's sole purpose is getting tons of exposition dumped on her.
Could say the same about Memento and the main character explaining everything to the phone/public.
People are just so selective when it comes to this rule, apparently when something is cool (Nolan movies) it just doesn't apply.

>>110661
>We have been told that Korra has at least managed to get the forms of airbending down but still can't actually airbender. We see her use her other elements, but she doesn't even try to see if a followup form will produce air during a confrontation and when she does it's a punch of air to apparently selflessly save, of all people, Mako.

That's because bending ISN'T supposed to just come to you in the middle of a fight. It can happen, yeah, but Katara was able to just learn waterbending through practice.

Also, about Mako being cool under pressure the biggest example of that was one of the moments a lot of people hate him for: when he managed to zap Amon full of lightning.

>>110658
Nick gave Mike and Bryan 12 episodes to tell their story, and since the show isn't called "The Legend of the Fire Ferrets" that explains why we didn't get to see as much of their background as we would have liked.
I've been thinking about this for awhile and it really seems to me that a lot of the show's problems (which weren't as bad as everyone makes them out to be and I really like the show) could have been solved by Nick/Paramount approving a full 3 season 21-22 episode run, rather than the initial approval of just a 14 episode mini series. It demonstrates that they have no faith in how successful the franchise can be. They watched that racist piece of shit movie flop and just assumed that was the end of all things AtLA. But they either woke up a little and realised that money can be made on this thing or Mike n' Bryan pitched to them really, REALLY hard to renew the show. Think about it, what the story and the characters really needed was more time. It wasn't until Nick/Paramount saw the level anticipation Korra was generating that they went ahead and gave Mike n' Bryan another season, of course the show was too far into production (maybe even complete) for them to change anything in anticipation of expanding the story. Then once the ratings were in that's when the show was extended further. But if they were given that time from the get go, we would have a much more thorough picture of the cast.

tl;dr The characters got shafted by Nick/Paramount who didn't see fit to give them more time.

>>110664
Didn't Bryke say that Nick came to them almost right after the show ended about continuing the series?

>>110665

I had thought Nick asked Mike and Bryan to do a mini-season, and they said "yeah, we totally can." Still, remember all the old rumors of new content that was gonna come out, then M. Night came along, and suddenly those all stopped?

>>110666
More than rumors. I remember seeing scans of Nickelodeon internal documents about Avatar movies.

>>110663
If she had been practicing like she said, then it could have happened.

I mean, Bryke's original original idea had Aang learn firebending while fighting Ozai and observing him.

And with the lightning...I don't know. Iroh had said things that sounded nice and zen-ish and stuff and then 70 years later the electric company says: "Yeah that's really pretty - just do it!" I guess if Azula can separate the energies and have no internal conflict while she is seeing her mother and banishing everyone left and right and raving mad at her brother I suppose Mako could create lightning thanks to Amon flailing him about. I just remember when that stuff could kill you and not just act like a taser.

>>110665
>>110666
>>110667
You guys are all right and I also have a clear memory of that press release. People were thrilled at the idea of Avatar animated TV movies or OVAs, but all of that disappeared when the movie tanked. I even have a clear memory of Sifu Kisu saying that there would be no more Avatar animation because the movie had done so badly. All of this could have lead to the Network losing faith in the property, especially since they never seemed to demonstrate much faith in it to begin with. After the first season there was no further push for action figures, clothing or fast-food tie-ins. There was a book series but that seemed to be it. Even now that an Avatar show has once again proven to be a ratings success, there's still a severe lack of merch. All of this makes the idea of Nick/Paramount limiting a new series is at least plausible.

>>110669
Wait, the animated movies/OAVs/whatever were scrapped long before the live action movie was finished.
Korra's production started months before it even came out (voice actors auditioned around March 2010).

>>110670
I am just speculating, y'know.

Mako isn't a bad person, just a bad character. Or at least I think so. And that tumblr link seems to be defending him as a person, not as a character.

>>110662
>People are just so selective when it comes to this rule, apparently when something is cool (Nolan movies) it just doesn't apply.
That's fair though, because storytelling rules are never 100%. It comes down to you can break the rules of storytelling if you do it in a cool way, but that's always a risk.

>>110664
>racist piece of shit movie
>_> Dude... I don't want to say go back to tumblr, but c'mon.

And in response to your post, I think the problems with Korra wasn't its length but the people working on it. You know how /co/ says Bryke have Lucas syndrome? They're so much better than Lucas, but it's true in the sense that Lucas was surrounded by yes men when he made the prequel films. Bryke sort of have that problem; they had so many great ideas in Korra but no one to edit it or show them adversity. That's fine, they're not natural writers and they'll get better, plus they have the two new writers as well.

>>110652
Awkwardly placed line breaks made me read this post wrong. Way wrong.

I've noticed, with some bemusement, that the title of this thread is 'Let the FanDUMB be known'! And so is a thread where those who liked the show could tut and mock the occasional idiocy of this fandom.

And now it has come to pass that, somehow, this thread is about the idiocy of the show, argued by the very fandumbs this thread was made to mock. The irony is deliciously bitter.

>>110677

>>_> Dude... I don't want to say go back to tumblr, but c'mon.

Telling you right now, you will find yourself hard pressed to find somebody here that didn't think the movie wasn't racist, or at the least, you won't see that notion unchallenged by some of us here.

>>110684
How was it racist?

>>110686

Are we really going down this route? After all this time, are we really treading these old waters again? Fuck it, I'll just bullet point it:

* The casting calls specified "Caucasian, or any other ethnicity" for all four main characters, which was fucked up considering you don't write it that way to say "all ethnicities" as well as flying in the face of the specific cultural backgrounds Avatar was explicitly based on.

* All of the Fire Nation, and all of the villains/antagonists, were played by a menagerie of brown people ranging from Indians, to Iranians, to Maori, to Latinos. If Jessie McCartney hadn't unexpectedly dropped out, we wouldn't have even had that.

* None of the Asian actors portrayed any characters with names once Suki/Jessica Andres was cut from the movie. They were all either victims of the Fire Nation who needed a pep talk from Ong to fight back, or outright traitors like the old man in the Northern Air Temple. The last Asian actor we see in the movie is a woman giving Uncle Eeroh a foot massage.

* M. Night bragged about changing a section of the Earth Kingdom to be African-American. (Not African. He specifically said African-American, whatever that means.) In the actual film, they show up for about ten seconds, and also need to be liberated from the evil Fire Nation by Ong and his two followers. The original cut of the movie has them participate in some big dance afterwards They otherwise had absolutely no ability (and apparently, no desire) to defend themselves until Ong shows up.

* The only characters from either Water Tribe with names, save for Seychelle Gabrielle as "Believe in Our Beliefs" Princess Doormat Who Dies Yue, were played by white actors, even when the rest of the Southern Water Tribe was clearly Inuit.

* In fact, save for Princess Yue, all of the protagonists who had names were white. You could make a case for Noah Ringer claiming Native American heritage months after the movie was released, but the production seemingly never knew that, given M. Night saying "he felt mixed race with an Asian quality to him," and Noah went on to play a white kid in Cowboys and Aliens.

* The authentic Chinese script that was used in the cartoon is replaced by a bunch of bullshit squiggles.

* More related to the production than the movie, the staff also occasionally fucked up, like casting director Dee Dee Rickets' "If you're Korean, wear a kimono. If you're from Belgium, wear lederhosen," gaff (kimono are Japanese, lederhosen are Bavarian) or Rathbone saying he definitely would need a tan to play Sokka.

So yeah, it was a clusterfuck.

>>110677
Go back to 4chan with your inane Mike n' Bryan hate.

>>110677
>>_> Dude... I don't want to say go back to tumblr, but c'mon.

are you serious, even /co/ acknowledges the movie was racist (though they'll complain about the differences from the show and the acting before that).

also, i would say mike is a pretty decent writer, but it isn't bryan's thing.

From /co/

>>110690
She-Ra IS pretty awesome.

Way more so than He-Man.

>>110690
because I'm sure Korra could've climbed a mountain or some shit to unblock her chi

then again, that's from /co/

>>110692
Thats a very weak way to brush it off.

The point seems to be... Aurora (sp?) lost her powers and got them back through merit, while with Korra not so much...

Though to be fair it was also the case with Aang at the finale of his series to a lesser extent, what with the "getting thrown into a rock which pressed a chakra point allowing him to go Avatar State again".

>>110693
At least Aang actually went out fighting in the first place

>>110692
People need to stop thinking Amon just blocked people's chi, Katara says it in the last episode that Korra's ties to the elements were SEVERED.

People go on about how they wanted her to go one some quest to reach out to the spirits, and that's basically what she did. Aang even says Korra called him there. She reached out and the spirit world grabbed her hand. Yeesh.

>>110690
>>110691
She's also an unapologetic Wonder Woman rip-off. Mind you, I say this as a fan of both characters. Also, She-Ra was a glorified toy commercial, just like her brother's show was. The Avatar shows have a lot more merit than that.

>>110693
Adora.

>>110697
This, so goddamn much THIS. I think Korra was allowed to be sad about what happened, but I honestly don't think she would have moped for that long. Eventually she would have resolved to be the best damned Airbender should could me and search for a way to reconnect to the other elements. Of course, when Aang and all the Avatars showed up it was a way to demonstrate that it isn't just the bending that makes one an Avatar, it's in the person's very soul.
Plus it was such an awesome scene to see THAT many Avatars!

>>110697
How does bloodbending do that?

>>110698
>Also, She-Ra was a glorified toy commercial, just like her brother's show was. The Avatar shows have a lot more merit than that.

Uh huh.

>>110701

To be fair, the A:tLA toys came after the show, and didn't last to season 3. He Man specifically was made to help sell the existing toy line.

>>110701
Dude Avatar's merchandise is practically nonexistent next to other show's because Nick didn't think people would buy toys of the girls.

>>110682
uh
>>110697
I'd say this thread is for all the "fandumbs" who are so dumb they just totally make shit up and say it's canon.

But who am I kidding, anyone who actually says "fandumbs" to describe a person is probably the biggest idiot of them all.

>>110705

Ha!

>>110705
I hope that wasn't some jab at me because everything I said in my comment was backed up by canon.

>>110701
And here, ladies and gentlemen, is every piece of Avatar merchandise that was ever made ever. Every single last piece of it all gathered in one place.
I'm sorry, but what were you trying to prove here? That because SOME merchandise was produced for the show it negates everything else that makes the show unique? I don't think so, pal.
Also, if you put this next to a picture of just She-Ra merch then there's no contest for which one generated more useless plastic.

>>110710
Doesn't that just make it worse, when She-Ra is so much more awesome and admirable when compared to Korra despite being from a toy show?

>>110712
No.
She-Ra was compassionate, noble and a warrior but so is Wonder Woman from whom she is directly derived. She-Ra's show had the same mediocre animation, voice work and generic plots that every other toy tie-in show of the era had. The only reason She-Ra exists at all is because the producers of He-Man noticed that a large amount of girls were watching that show so they created a pinker, fluffier version to sell toys to them. Again, I say all of this as someone who grew up with She-Ra and He-Man.
Your utter refusal to see what makes Korra and her show interesting means I'd only be wasting my time with explaining things other people already get. But hey, if you want to bang your head against that particular wall, go right ahead. Just be careful that you don't break your rose-coloured nostalgia glasses in the process.

>>110714
You're getting a bit too defensive over this. Don't take it so serious.

>>110715
Oy, here we go again with the "taking it too seriously" BS, please refer to my previous thoughts on that.
No, I'm not giving you a link, that might be taking it too seriously.

Okay, uh, I haven't seen She-ra but did she have a life outside her powers? Was she able to interact with other people and construct an identity that didn't revolve around being She-ra? We gotta remember, Korra was locked away for 13 years where we should assume almost every day spent there revolved around her bending and being the Avatar.

It's like, when you're little you discover you have a passion for drawing. Your family fuels that and by the time you've reached adulthood you've evolved into being a skilled drawer, it's what everyone knows you for and your job revolves around drawing. And then one day, bam, you can't draw anymore -- your hands weren't injured in any way, you just can't draw. It doesn't make you any less of a person and nobody tries to make you feel that way, you might even have a secondary skill you can fall back on. But the thing is, you've dedicated your entire life to drawing, it's part of who you are and now you just can't do it. I think it would be okay for you to feel utterly depressed over it for awhile.

Korra's situation was a lot worse because she wasn't allowed to focus on anything besides her bending. At least the metaphorical artist had that option.

>>110687
I still don't see how any of that is racist. Can't we just say it was a bad movie without being all political about it?

>>110719
Almost everything he mentioned qualifies as racist. They aren't getting political, that's just stone cold racism.

In a show where everyone physically and culturally resembles Asians of our world, it's a huge fucking problem when the casting calls for caucasians (who don't appear in Avatar at all, there are no white people hiding on the other side of the world) for the main cast. Minorities get barely enough representation as it is in Hollywood that isn't a stereotype (Octavia Spencer who is black won best supporting actress last year for a role in which she played a *housemaid*), so when there's a live-action movie being made based off of a show with Asian characters in it this should have been an opportunity for Asian actors. It wasn't the fact that the casting calls were open to all ethnicity, it's the fact they specifically mentioned caucasians while everyone else was thrown in as a forethought.

It's ALSO a huge problem when in the show the Fire Nation was pale as fuck, but in the movie they're all brown (not even a specific race like Indian, which makes it worse), while our heroes (who were brown in the show) are suddenly white as hell.

>>110724
>Almost everything he mentioned qualifies as racist. They aren't getting political, that's just stone cold racism.
Are you defining racist as "things that have to do with race"? Because that's not a very good way to define it.

>Octavia Spencer who is black won best supporting actress last year for a role in which she played a *housemaid*
The movie was about two housemaids during the Civil Rights era. Why are you implying she didn't deserve that award or whatever.

>>110719
And to bring us back to the thread topic, right here is a perfect example of "fan-DUMB".
Or just another friggin' troll...

>>110726
Colorblindness is not a good thing to have, anon.

>Why are you implying she didn't deserve that award or whatever.

Where did I imply that? The problem wasn't her acting, it was the role she played, which was a typical minority role. There's a term for this I'm sure, but I can't remember it.

Basically, she was rewarded (by mostly white people) for playing a role that adhered to their standards.

>>110728

I dare think they didn't give her the reward because she was comfortably black. You're going a step too far in the other direction here. Or several. Perhaps a triple-jump.

>>110726
Look, it's like this:
Back in the early days of Hollywood the only roles black people could get were either as servants or criminals. When it came to roles for black women they were more often than not cast as maids or "Mammy" roles ala the role Hattie McDaneil had in "Gone with the Wind" (What's going on in this thread--OH LAWDY, she's the woman in the image). The argument can be made (no pun) that Octavia Spencer was only playing that role because it was a period peice, but you also have to take into consideration the fact that the book and movie it's based on are all about how the white women save the black women who can't save themselves. The white women in question give themselves enourmous pats on the back for doing so. Some people don't think that's cool.
Also consider this:
Nichelle Nichols, who played the iconic role of Lt. Uhura on Star Trek, was at one point considering leaving the show. It was none other than Martin Luther King, Jr. who convinced her to stay on because it was one of the few roles on television that showed an intelligent black woman as something other than a maid or secretary.

>>110731
Hey I was just trying to convey that minorities often only play stereotypes.

But yeah, I'll stop.

>>110727
How am I dumb? I just don't like calling things/people racist without hard evidence. M. Night's movie was bad and that's enough for me.

>>110728
>Where did I imply that? The problem wasn't her acting, it was the role she played, which was a typical minority role.
How? And so what?

>>110732
It WAS a period piece. What's your problem?

>>110736
Think about it this way. The Last Airbender proved that Hollywood is so opposed to having East Asians in starring roles that they wouldn't even cast them in what was for all intents and purposes a kung fu movie.

When a minority can't even headline in a genre they invented, something is kind of messed up.

>>110737
>The Last Airbender proved that Hollywood is so opposed to having East Asians in starring roles that they wouldn't even cast them in what was for all intents and purposes a kung fu movie.
But it doesn't prove that at all. M. Night is just one guy who's also an idiot, not all of Hollywood.

>>110739
Since you're bringing up Bruce Lee, you must also be aware that Enter the Dragon was the first Hollywood produced film of this kind. Other films were made by Chinese studios which is why the always featured Chinese actors. Also, Bruce Lee developed the original concept for the Kung Fu TV series, but the idea was stolen from him and a white actor was cast as the lead.
Seriously man, at this point you're just being willfully ignorant of Hollywood's mishandling of the portrayal of Asians and Natives in movies and television. You're just another exampled of "fan-dumb".

>>110739
Not that I really want to dip my toes into this brewing shitstorm, but if your using that picture as counterpoint to his argument, you're actually proving his point.

Bruce Lee was famously and continually fucked over by hollywood. He lost the lead role in the series "Kung Fu"", a series created with him in mind, only to lose it to David Carradine specifically because the studios didn't think people would watch a show with an Asian lead. He eventually got his big break as a leading man... after moving back to China and making movies there because he realized that regardless of his accomplishments or abilities he would never ever be given a leading role in an American movie.

And he was right.

Even after becoming the single biggest movie star in the world at the time (outside of America), Hollywood still only offered him his role in Enter the Dragon on the condition that he share top billing with a white actor (John Saxon). In the original cut (which I own) Lee even shares a title card with Saxon. Saxon's name appears first.

>>110742
>>110744
>posted literally within a few seconds of each other.

GET OUT OF MY BRAIN!!!

>>110742
>>110744
>who cares

>>110746

A good deal of us here, if you're actually looking for an answer and not just being a little shit.

>>110747
Hey Sharkie, guess who's being a litttle shit?
>>110746

I'm posting this here because frankly, I have no idea where to post it (and I'm not sure I want to start a new thread) but it has to be posted somewhere:
http://korranation.tumblr.com/post/40637072423/who-would-play-tahno-in-a-lok-movie
All white dudes, WHAT the ACTUAL FUCK!?

>>110959
On looks alone, Ezra Miller's not a terrible choice. But yeah, it's kind of weird that they're all white dudes.

I'd go with Gackt. He's very believable as a prettyboy celebrity.

>>110959

Rami Malek is at least Egyptian and not 100% whitebread. But this list is pretty bad since Tahno is based on an Kizaemon Saiga (pictured), a Japanese kickboxer per Bryan's word. The person running Korranation should stick with reposting fanart and making announcements about the show if they don't understand how fucked up the casting was for TLA.

>>110959
Saw "Perks." Ez Miller has got them acting chops and he plays up in a way that'd make him so Tahno-worthy...
Say what you will about race, but if that dude's ever cast, It'll be on merit alone.

>>110959

Oh dear.

What were you thinking, Korranation staff? This is the last fandom you wanna try pulling race-lifting on.

Lord knows what the Korranation staff was thinking with this nonsense but I hope to god Mike and/or Bryan actually SAY something about it this time!
My pick is this guy right here, Tetsuji Tamayama who played Takumi in the Nana live action movies. Tahno and Takumi are both self-centered jerks that women throw themselves at, so the role wouldn't be too much of a strech for him. And look at how HOT he is!

>>110959
O don't want to be an ass, but Tahno is as pale as a fucking albino, of course it would be mainly white dudes people who think of to play him!

I mean just look at that guy without knowing the character and without his pro-bending uniform, would you honnestly have guessed that guy was a waterbender?

>>110965
You're being an ass. Your post is full of typos which doesn't help your argument at all. Nevermind that you're argument is that only white people can have pale skin.
Go fuck yourself.

The correct answer is no actor at all because fuck live action.

Also I didn't see any of you fags bitching that the VAs for the cartoon are predominately white.

>>110970
it's tricky with vas because you can't really say 'we want tahno to sound asian' without coming off as stereotypical and possibly racist.

>>110970
Getting a job as a voice actor is not as hard for asians as getting a job in Hollywood. With minor characters with Tahno, it's not actually that big a deal--the reason TLA was such a joke was because it was an opportunity for Hollywood to give three non-white actors the chance to be the stars of a big Hollywood production without either having to resort to tokenism or making the movie about race, an opportunity which is extraordinarily rare.

Now the fact that the movie ended up being so bad that no one got a career out of it, but when the whole racebending thing started we didn't know that. It was a big-budget flick, and given the source material had the possibility of being something that could launch careers for some young actors. That was why it was so troublesome. It's not something as dumb as the characters not looking like the ones in the cartoon.

>>110970
Nobody complains about VAs not matching their character's ethnicity because unless you're going for the heavily-stereotyped-immigrant-accent, people will generally sound like the people from the environment they grew up in. It's the same reason why all black people don't sound like Kenyans or whatever, they sound like whatever group of people they grew up with.

Honestly, the fact that I even have to explain how accents work based on location rather than ethnicity speaks volumes about you.

http://jhenne-bean.tumblr.com/post/39519193171/beatrixspoke-lyndez-avatarparallels

>>111028
>falling so easily for the words of a cult leader
i worry for these people

>>111028

http://lucindasparks.tumblr.com/post/41567107740

>>111030

and an addendum

http://happy-amateur.tumblr.com/post/41586592725/dittolicous-lucindasparks-jhenne-bean

>>111031
>>111030
i like how people also conveniently leave out that asami, a non-bender, was actually pretty fucking brutal during her fights with equalists. someone on tumblr pointed how pissed off she gets during those particular fights.

Why on earth do you people complain about me bitching about the show and then go out of your way to seek out people who don't even get what was going on and bring what they bitch about back here to show everyone else how wrong they are for thinking that way?

>>111033
SSSSSH before we get a million shitposts about how this fandom isn't nice/happy/productive!

>>111033

Thing is, this is the exact thread for dumping the unrefined sludge of fandom stupidity in (with a convenient hide thread button next to it!) while your brand of bitching shows up in EVERY active thread on the board AND IT NEVER FUCKING STOPS.

>>111036
The first of many!

>>111036
The first of many!

http://expensiveenglishlessons.tumblr.com/post/42092843549/bryankonietzko-a-case-of-the-fridays-making

Damn psychos.

>>111061
holy shit what did these guys DO to piss off the fandom so bad? korra isn't the first mediocre sequel to ever be made.

>>111062
>>111061
also

>MAKING CARTOONS IS HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD

if tumblr actually liked bryke they would be getting their asses handed to them for that remark alone

>>111062

The avayat fandom has a high concentration of emotional unstable people.

>>111061
Meanwhile, Sifu Kisu is and continues to be The Bro:

http://sifu-kisu.tumblr.com/post/42087213593/bryankonietzko-a-case-of-the-fridays-people

>>111061
>expensiveenglishlessons
Stay beautiful, Fire Lord.

>>111066
i thought that sounded like them

This is more laughable than rage worthy, but whatevs.
http://www.change.org/petitions/cartoon-network-nickelodeon-all-current-television-programming-prevent-grey-delisle-from-seeking-employment-in-childre
ns-programming-2

>>111239
I'm convinced at this point that no public figure or celebrity in their right mind would have a Tumblr presence, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a downturn in the number of such people getting onto Tumblr; why risk being held to impossible standards by SJWs and getting your reputation easily smeared?