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  • 08/21/12 - Poll ended; /cod/ split off as a new board from /pco/.

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105605 No. 105605
Episodes 11 and 12! Skeletons in the Closet and Endgame! We're here!

Oh yes, shit is gonna get realer than real folks!

Korra vs. Amon, IT'S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN! Will Korra overcome her Airbending block? Will she glow it up and unleash the fucking dragon?

Iroh Jr. is bringing sexy back along with his armada. How many women will flock to his velvety Rufio voice?

Asami's gonna get in some shit with her asshole daddy. Something's gotta give!

Bryan said he's especially proud of the soundtrack for this episode, so make sure to enjoy all the Ear Porn!

Hold on to your butts!

OP pic is a rough draft of the finale press art from Bryan's tumblr. And. Here. We. Go.
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>> No. 105606
man, i'm going to miss it because of work :-( and they still haven't put up the 9th episode on On Demand yet

it'd be interesting if one of the named characters dies, even if its a Disney death
>> No. 105607
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i am so ready
>> No. 105630
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No trainwreck please, no trainwreck...
>> No. 105640
Welp, looks like I have to catch it AFTER tomorrow night.

But seeing the hobo and his Hooverville (Tarrlokville?) in detail might be interesting. But I sure hope there are good solid socio-economic reasons for the existence of this village, not just "we don't like Amon so we're banding together to fight him."
>> No. 105641
Does anyone know when does the Tumblr Q&A gets published?
>> No. 105651
>>105640
We've known there was a poverty problem in Republic City from episode 1 and two main characters (Mako and Bolin) were part of that class of people until Toza pulled them out. And I'll say it again: gangs aren't composed of upstanding middle-class citizens, they're composed of poor people who have nowhere to go. If Republic City is infested with triads and there is a strong criminal underground then there are a LOT of poor, underprivileged people in Republic City. Which includes benders and nonbenders alike.
>> No. 105652
>>105641

Right here: http://vyou.com/legendofkorra/
>> No. 105663
>>105652
>>http://vyou.com/legendofkorra/2359680/Is-the-rest-of-Korras-world-as-modernized-as-Republic-City-or-are-there-still-those-who-hold-onto-their-tradit
ional-ways-of-life

Interesting. Finally some info on the outside world.

So modernity-wise, Republic City is basically the world's technological pinnacle, but it's not the only major modern city. There are other cities that are more heavily industrialized and/or more populated. The Fire Nation is largely industrialized, as are parts of the Earth Kingdom. The Water Tribes and the other parts of the Earth Kingdom are still "traditionalist" (rural, in other words).
>> No. 105694
I've been late with watching the episodes these days, but I don't think I'll be doing that with the finale here. It almost doesn't feel like a finale, though, it's too soon. I know we're getting a second season and that's fantastic, but it feels like we've just barely gotten to know the characters and now it's time for the big showdown.

And I'm sidetracking a little, but does anyone else hate that threads max out after 200 posts now? It might work for other topics, but these episode discussion threads fill up fast. Sharkman, would you be able to fix that or would one have to appeal to Anonex directly?
>> No. 105695
>>105694

>And I'm sidetracking a little, but does anyone else hate that threads max out after 200 posts now? It might work for other topics, but these episode discussion threads fill up fast. Sharkman, would you be able to fix that or would one have to appeal to Anonex directly?

That's something only Anonex has control over. Good point though, I'll try to pass the word on. Polite sage so this doesn't count against the bump limit.
>> No. 105698
Upped the bump limit to 500 for /a/.
>> No. 105699
>>105698

The Blue Danielube Waltzyoutube thumb
>> No. 105702
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>>105695
>>105698
Much appreciated!
>> No. 105710
http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/
>We hope you guys like it, and we hope you enjoy the finale! And if you don’t, well… there’s always Book 2, eh?
I'm a little worried now.
>> No. 105712
>>105710
You ever think maybe Bryan and Mike were a lot more involved with the movie than they've ever let on? Because it occurred to me this morning that the level at which fighting and bending now exist is not very far removed from what was purported to be "Shyamalan's" vision of it. Did we give them way too much credit for supposedly not being involved?
>> No. 105714
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>>105712

.....

Apologize to Mike and Bryan right now, then go to your room without dessert and think about what you've done.
>> No. 105715
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>>105714
You're not my father!
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>>105712
>Because it occurred to me this morning that the level at which fighting and bending now exist is not very far removed from what was purported to be "Shyamalan's" vision of it
Stop drinking.
>> No. 105717
>>105716
Not for nothing but that and the fight in Tarrlok's office are seriously the only memorable fights in the whole series up to now.
>> No. 105718
>>105712
Not really, Mako and Bolin are easily the least refined benders we've seen in battle and even they're more dynamic and fight smarter than the bending "masters" shown in the movie.
>> No. 105720
>>105717
Different strokes for different folks I guess. I'm not a fan of probending but I loved the match in the spirit of competition.
And everey other instance of Lin and Tenzin fighting has been very memorable to me. Now that I think about it, I'm enjoying the latter's airbending way more than Aang's, probably because of the animation and powerful sound effects.
>> No. 105722
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>>105715
Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

>>105717
So you've only watched two episodes?
>> No. 105726
in 15 minutes we meet our fate. In the meantime, have some sweet, smooth sax Careless Whisperyoutube thumb
>> No. 105727
Now matter how it's going to be resolved, Amon's identity will probably piss off a lot of people.
>> No. 105729
>>105727
>Amon's identity will probably piss off a lot of people.

OLD MAN JENKINS!!
>> No. 105730
The gloves made sense. I'd let the mechas slide on Rule of Cool. But mines and airplanes on top of all that is getting to be a bit much.
>> No. 105733
>That reveal

Awwwww SHIT
>> No. 105734
I CALLED IT
>> No. 105735
>>105730
What it's the 1920's the mechs are the only thing that don't make sense.

Also dat reveal.
>> No. 105736
>EXTREMELY REVEALING SECRET UNVEILED

>DA DA DA DADADADA DA AFRO CIRCUS
>> No. 105737
Councilman Tarrlok's middle name is "Exposition."
>> No. 105738
Does Noatok have that same condition Michael Jackson did that made him so pale?
>> No. 105739
MOAR FIGHTING NOW PLS
>> No. 105740
OK I WANT FUCKING AVATAR STATE NOW
>> No. 105741
Huh, so Tarrlok was right.
>> No. 105742
I can't WAIT for the SJW's to freak out over that scene.
>> No. 105743
"KID'S SHOW" MY FUCKING ASS
>> No. 105744
>>105738
Yeah, it's called not being exposed to the sun for god knows how long.
>> No. 105745
Never thought I'd see someone ragequit life on a Nick show.
>> No. 105746
>>105743
>That tear

He fucking KNEW.
>> No. 105747
Poor lieutenant.
>> No. 105748
>>105743
Yeah. I was kind of surprised he did that.
>> No. 105749
I was okay with Mako up until this.
>> No. 105750
>>105749
Seriously, only issue with this.
>> No. 105751
HA HA THE FANS ARE EXPLODING, THIS IS DELICIOUS
>> No. 105752
Yeah.....

What the fuck was that?
>> No. 105753
Ok, this was weak. Veery weak.
>> No. 105754
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
>> No. 105755
>that feel when everyone forgot Asami exists
>> No. 105756
Hey remember when Katara interrupted Zuko and Azulas fight and won it for him? Yeah this was way worse.


Should have ended on the boat blowing up.
>> No. 105757
>>105753
Personally, I think it'd due to the limited number of episodes. Like that needed to be an entire episode or two by themselves.
>> No. 105758
asspull much?

That going out into the wilderness and meeting avatar aang should've been like a whole episode by itself.
>> No. 105759
>>105752
Not being able to tell the story completely within the smaller 12 ep season.

>>105750
They sorta deserve each other though, you know what I mean?
>> No. 105760
HOLY SHIT I JUST WOKE UP AND THE RECORDING WAS CANCELED BECAUSE MY ROOMMATE TURNED OFF THE CABLE BOX THAT TECHNOLOGICALLY RETARDED SONOFABITCH
Does anyone know where I can find it?
>> No. 105761
>>105757
Absolutely.

>>105756
THIS IS A GREAT IDEA.

>>105758
Yup.
>> No. 105763
>>105759
No. Like seriously, that was the biggest fuck up they had. I really do hope Asami goes righteous on their ass.
>> No. 105764
>>105758
That's not an asspull.
But I agree in that it happened way too fast.
>> No. 105765
>>105763
I would prefer her going, fucking whatever, BOLIN~COMERE~
>> No. 105766
FUCK THIS SHIT, JESUS CHRIST
>> No. 105767
+ Amon's story
+ Iroh the one man army
+ Asami battle vs. Hiroshi
+ Tarrlock ragequits


- Korra airbending came kind of out nowhere, I think it would've been better for her to Avatar State there, would've been more believable
- Even Mai and Zuko's love connection was more believable
- Bolin is still less competent in battle than a dog
>> No. 105768
There were some awesome moments but yeah, I'm disappointed. Hopefully season 2 will be better.
>> No. 105769
Like I kinda have to respect that Mike and Bryan didnt know that they where getting any more episodes and didnt end it on a cliff hanger like a lot of other shows but COME ON
>> No. 105770
HOLY SHIT THAT WAS AMAZING
>> No. 105771
>>105767
Hey, that dog can metalbend.

>>105764
Yeah, she really needed to connect with her spiritual side slowly starting with Kurrok until she got to Aang slowly gaining everything back.
>> No. 105772
When Amon first removed his mask it was pretty amazing. I had no idea where the story was going to go at that moment, and I loved it.

I also really loved Korra's "NO... YOU... DON'T!" kick. Badass!
>> No. 105775
Damnit.
I really hope Asami will break Mako's nuts and bitchslap Korra in the next season.
>> No. 105776
The last part really needed an episode to itself, Korra and Aang seriously have to talk.
The shipping stuff went worse than I imagined, and the fact that thousands of people seemed to be ok under Amon and hate benders so much has to be addressed.
>> No. 105777
this whole thing really should've been extended into like 4 episodes. Too much happened too fast, and so all emotional impact was cheapened.
>> No. 105778
Really hate how rushed the ending was, especially how Lin had to deal without having bending for a whole of what, one episode? and we didn't even see it? That plus the whole convenient... oh shit we DID get caught even though lin stopped the airships thing. I feel very meh, Kudos to the murder suicide though
>> No. 105781
>>105767
Yeah, I would've been able to accept "AVATAR STATE >>>> YOUR FAGGOT BLOODBENDING LOL" a lot more easily than "Amon blocked all the bendings but Air"
>> No. 105782
>>105781
I saw it more like by blocking all of it he unblocked the one that was already blocked
>> No. 105783
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>Y7
>> No. 105784
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>>105778
>plus the whole convenient... oh shit we DID get caught even though lin stopped the airships thing

That scene totally made me think of Emperor's New Groove.

>No! It can't be. How did you get here before us?
>...How did we, Kronk?
>You got me. By all accounts, it doesn't make sense.
>> No. 105785
getting her bending back should have been the plot of the second season IMHO
>> No. 105786
Also I feel how korra learned to airbending is really contrary to what we saw tenzin teach her in the series making those lessons feel really pointless.

>>105784

Kronk owns,
>> No. 105787
>>105785
I don't know, mounrings on tv get boring pretty quickly. I'd say an epilogue episode would've been enough.
>> No. 105788
>>105785

I would have been super fucking pissed if that happened. Amon's kung fu was clearly weak shit, it would have depowered the Avatar to Diablo Normal levels. I fucking loved the ending.
>> No. 105789
>>105783
why does redemption always mean death?
>> No. 105790
I missed the show :(

Does anyone have a download/torrent link?
>> No. 105791
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105791
I rolled my eyes at the revelation at first, but as the story went on I really liked this plot point.
>> No. 105792
Goddamn DVR cut off the episode right at the commercial break following Tarrlok's story. I'll have to find the rest later.
>> No. 105793
>>105791

KIDS SHOW

Y7

RIGHT?

RIGHT?!

HAHAHAHAHAHAH
>> No. 105794
WAS KORRA GONNA FUCKING KILL HERSELF BEFORE SHE UNWITTINGLY WENT INTO THE SPIRIT WORLD AT THE END?

HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

>> No. 105795
>>105794

Damn. That's actually a possibility.
>> No. 105796
>>105794
I think it was clearly hinted by the direction, but I don't believe she would've actually done it.
>> No. 105803
>>105794
Nah. It was just one of those dramatic crying moments you see every now and then.
>> No. 105804
I'm glad this is the only message board or chan that actually liked the season finale in someway. Good god at all the whiners in /co/....
>> No. 105805
>>105803
Wasn't it the exact same spot she went to in the first episode, when she was pissed that Tenzin was going back to Republic City?
>> No. 105806
>>105804

I basically fired /co/ back around episode 5.

FIRED.

And I've been loving every minute since then.
>> No. 105807
>>105804
Because nothing's better than groupthink, right?
>> No. 105808
>>105786

Korra knew all the physical forms of the art. There was just a mental/spiritual block that prevented her from accessing it. Amon unknowingly took care of that with his hokey pokey.
>> No. 105809
amon was so beautiful

why
>> No. 105810
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>>105807

>implying /co/ isn't groupthink central
>> No. 105811
>>105810
>/co/ renowned for everyone yelling at each other all the time
>calling it a groupthink
>being a dumbass
>> No. 105812
>>105811

>the place that spawned 'can Korra take the knot'

Seriously?
>> No. 105813
>Maybe Asami and Lieutenant can have a betrayed by the person you loved party.
>> No. 105814
Jesus. I'd forgotten about the knot. There's a mental image I didn't need a refresher of.
>> No. 105815
>>105812
I think you should look up the definition of groupthink because you have it confused with "meme that no one likes"
>> No. 105816
>>105815

And what spawns a meme again?
>> No. 105817
>>105816
Not a groupthink if that's what you're implying like an idiot would.
>> No. 105818
>>105817

>A meme is "an idea, behavior or style that spreads from person to person within a culture." A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols or practices, which can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals or other imitable phenomena. Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes in that they self-replicate, mutate and respond to selective pressures.

Ad-hominems are cool too. Keep on flinging them.
>> No. 105819
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105819
Season 2 wishlist

1. This motherfucker right here is the new Uncle/Mentor figure since Korra doesn't need an airbending teacher anymore

2. Asami kicks Mako in the dick

3. Asami kicks Korra in the vag

4. Some Tales of Ba Sing Se shenanigans where we get to see the characters doing daily routine shit before getting back to the serious business

5. The Lieutenant picks up the pieces of the Equalist movement and the lingering tensions are a plot point of the next season

6. Mako and Korra are a functional couple and there is no more love drama ever now that things are all neatly resolved and we don't ever need to talk about it again
>> No. 105821
My only gripe is that the ending seemed a little DEM. But then again, the avatar can be pretty DEM.
>> No. 105822
>>105818
>Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within groups of people. It is the mode of thinking that happens when the desire for harmony in a decision-making group overrides a realistic appraisal of alternatives.
Quoting definitions is cool, but maybe you should actually read them.
>> No. 105823
>2. Asami kicks Mako in the dick
>3. Asami kicks Korra in the vag

So much truth.

Everything about the finale was great, except fucking Makorra.
>> No. 105824
>>105819
>2. Asami kicks Mako in the dick
>3. Asami kicks Korra in the vag

I really don't think Asami holds anything against Mako and Korra. I'm pretty sure by the time Mako told Korra he loved her he and Asami had talked it through and broke up without any negative feelings.

And besides, Hiroshi is the new king of the jerks.
>> No. 105825
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Oh! Another awesome moment was when Iroh punched a fucking missile HOW HYPE WAS THAT SHIT? I also enjoyed the return of fire-bending flying.
>> No. 105828
Liking it way more now that I'm rewatching it, the Amon stuff was good, the bloodbending got fleshed out and the reveal redeemed episode 9 for me (otherwise the flashback would've been pointless).
We just needed one more episode to better flesh out the last part.

>>105819
>5. The Lieutenant picks up the pieces of the Equalist movement and the lingering tensions are a plot point of the next season
You know, it will never happen, but I'd love to see the guy turn up in a weelchair (c'mon, we know from the previous episodes he just doesn't die) trying tu run a legitimate but uber right wing political party.
But maybe I just want to hear more of Henriksen sexy voice.
>> No. 105831
Iroh is still hanging from the Aang statue. Just waitin'
>> No. 105833
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This guy is freakin' awesome. Here's to hoping season 2 is based around him. Also we need to see more Bumi.
>> No. 105834
Welp, my theory about Amon being a chi-blocker goes up in smoke. But my theory that even advanced techniques like bloodbending can be made into toys with practice, perseverance and knowledge of how they work is confirmed.

I'm satisfied by everything that was in the two-parter, BUT, it really deserved to be stretched out into 3-4 episodes. The pacing was good for all the concentrated awesome they needed to pull it all together, but it doesn't excuse the fact that it really deserved more episodes. I blame this purely on Nickelodeon, and I should remind everybody that is crying foul that this is season one. If we based judgements of A:TLA based on the first season, we may not've gotten Season 2 or 3.
>people complaining about the technology leaps oh my fucking god WHAT.
Look at all the changes that happened technologically between 1900 and 1980. LOOK AT THEM. LOOK. AT. THEM. This point of contention shouldn't make me as angry as it does. Look at all the changes technologically from 1900 to 1980. Now try to imagine how that might have been sped up by what amounted to world peace, a desire to collude and move forwards, and the intimate ability to harmonize and experiment with materials, medical and energy science on a level so intimate as to be an extension of your own body. This means that these people needed less resources or specialized instruments to study and experiment with their chosen sciences. Frankly if somebody whips up a crude atom bomb, you shouldn't be fucking surprised in the least, since that was possible in the 50s.

I can't help but think the people complaining about this must not be much older than 10-13, or have no appreciation for how small our history with science and technology truly is.
>> No. 105835
>>105833
HOMG, I bet Commander Bumi has the most awesome stories on the planet!

Also, does anyone else think Pema is pretty much the least-strong female character in the entire season? Seriously. She just bitched, cooked some stuff and had a baby. I mean, okay, she was pregnant, so maybe she'll be more stable emotionally in Season Two, but eugh. Not much depth there.
>> No. 105836
>>105835
She’s practically a nun, and she isn’t an airbender. What were you expecting?
>> No. 105837
>>105835
She 'just' had a baby? It's probably harder than you think, and she did it during an invasion of equalists. That and there was the story of how she stole Tenzin from Lin.
>> No. 105838
>calling it now guise she goes into the avatar state once amon takes away her bending
>just look how she'll open her eyes and we'll see glowing
>lol this show is so predictable
>wait what
>> No. 105839
Wait so is a 3rd season even a possibility?
>> No. 105840
>>105837

>That and there was the story of how she stole Tenzin from Lin.

Enough with this fucking bullshit.

Tenzin himself said him and Lin were over before Pema and him became an item.
>> No. 105841
I generally liked the episode..
But a lot of it was clearly rushed.

Korra got her bending back way to easily. They could have made an awesome 2nd season about Korra trying to master airbending and her spiritual side, while having to deal with the fact that the equalists are probably not going to give up.

Instead they kinda resolved everything instantly. I found the whole deal about Mako cheesy, for whatever reason I would have prefered if Korra stayed single.. It would teach an important life lesson that you can't have everything.

Instead Korra gets all the powers, and all the love.

...I just realized Korra became a Mary Sue.

So, now that everything is resolved, what is left for season 2?
Amon in some strange way surviving and thirsty for revenge? Small equalist cells still plotting to turn the world (How would that even work?)?
Perhaps just a whole season of Korra being awesome and rescuing everything because she is special and all that.

I do not know man, they could take the series so many awesome places, but they did not.. It is a shame really.

But well, I liked the series even if the ending was a little hollow.
>> No. 105844
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>>105841
>Mary Sue
>> No. 105846
Is there a download link for the season finale?
>> No. 105847
>>105835
>weak female character.
Sonny, Pema is a mom four times over. A ten year old, a seven year old, a five year old, and a newborn. She's a non-bender, the wife of a statesmen, has two daughters on the cusp of becoming a tweenager or teenager respectively, a rambunctious little boy, and a newborn. For 28 months of her life she's been on more hormones than a cow and as immobile as a turtle while looking after the indiscretions and wild activities of one rambunctious free spirit after the other. And probably she'll pop out another once Rohan turns 5 or 6. And maybe once or twice more, since that appears to be how Tenzin rolls.

She's not a weak character, she's a full time mom in an action show. Samus and Cooking Mama have different adventures and dispositions.
>> No. 105848
>>105844
Perhaps instead of pointing out I am wrong, you could educate me of the true meaning of the term?

As far as I know it's a character who gets all the love and powers, just because the character is special.
Perhaps I am using the term wrong. Throughout the series she was a believable character, with her own flaws and desires.
By crying for one minute she gets her powers back, her love interest magically appears near her. Why?

I am only think of it being because she is just so damm special.
>> No. 105850
>>105835
She's reviving an extinct race anyone who hates Pema just comes off as butthurt Linzen shippers.
>> No. 105852
>>105848
> her love interest magically appears near her. Why?

Because he followed her...
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>>105835
>Also, does anyone else think Pema is pretty much the least-strong female character in the entire season? Seriously. She just bitched, cooked some stuff and had a baby. I mean, okay, she was pregnant, so maybe she'll be more stable emotionally in Season Two, but eugh. Not much depth there.

Yes, she's totally an anachronistic look at women before we started making Strong Female Characters.
>> No. 105855
>>105848
>Perhaps instead of pointing out I am wrong, you could educate me of the true meaning of the term?
The true meaning of the term is "character I don't like." Any other definition you've heard was made up on the spot by the person who described it to you. There was a definition at one time (a self-insert character in a fanfic who makes all of the plot and character relationships revolve around them, designed to allow the writer to live out power, social and/or romantic fantasies with the characters in the fic), but it no longer bears any resemblance to how it's used in fandoms today. Today it just means "Character I don't like."
>> No. 105859
>>105848

She didn't just "cry and get her powers back". She went Avatar State during a moment of terrible loss and grief. Compare that moment to when Aang went AS when he found Gyatso's skeleton. Once Korra went AS Aang was there to finally welcome her to the Club and bestow ancient wisdom upon her.
>> No. 105860
>>105852
I know that..

He still has some pretty awesome timing.

But still, the last we see of him before she rides off to be alone is just him standing there, with tenzin, chilling. She even told him to give her some time alone, even tenzin tells him to give her some time.

Instead he follows her, and finds her just at the awesome moment where she gets all her powers back and her depression is gone.

The episode was fine, but the ending was stupid.
>> No. 105863
SEE SUBJECT FIELD
>> No. 105864
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105864
SEE SUBJECT FIELD
>> No. 105865
>>105855
Thanks, but I like Korra. She is an interesting character, very relateable, until everything is given to her in the last 5 minutes. Which was kinda weird to be quite honest.
>> No. 105867
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105867
Well, I thought the season one finale was good.

I'm not sure why people were expecting a more intense fight scene between Korra and Amon, given how soft the fight scenes are in the Avatar series. I thought the confrontation between Korra and Amon was sufficient, especially when she just needed to expose his ruse to defeat him; not bloody him up. Korra learning how to airbend when someone she loved was in trouble was cliché, but not an unexpected or offensive one. Plus, with Korra slowly making a connection to Aang in earlier episodes and Amon blocking out her other bending skills, it was inevitable that she would finally break wind (but in a good way). Aang giving Korra the power to undue Amon's cockblocking powers was also inevitable, since Aang was the one who came up with the technique in the first place, but it would have been better if Korra came up with the technique herself, since the series seemed to be building a theme of characters going beyond their established powers.

The romance in this series was okay. Mako and Asami's relationship didn't last long once we got to the finish line and ended abruptly to boot, but I think their future relationship will play out like Tenzin and Lin Beifong's after they fell out of love with each other. The Makorra pairing doesn't offend me and there's good potential chemistry between the two for the writers to play around with in the future, but it was laid out a little thick near the end. I do hope Mako and Korra's relationship continues to evolve in the next season and doesn't revert to square one, like Futurama loves to do with Fry and Leela every time they think they escape cancellation.

I talked a bit about the good, now let me talk about the bad. I know people have complained about the series' pacing being too fast, but I haven't had a problem with it until the finale aired. There was a lot of ground to cover with Team Avatar taking out Amon's forces once and for all and I'm afraid an hour wasn't enough to elaborate properly on everything that was happening. A third part to this finale would have given the resolution more breathing room (it's so weird this season is 12 episodes long and not the standard 13), but when all is said and done, everything came out alright.

Amon's identity felt like a cheat to me. The most important rule in writing a mystery is that the masked criminal must be mentioned beforehand, but must not be obvious to the viewer. To have Amon's identity revealed to be no one seen in the show before and to have his motive and backstory explained in a lengthy speech an episode before the reveal just comes off as a cop-out.

I'm also not sure why they needed to bring in the General Iroh, other than to hint that he's Zuko's son. The gang didn't need Iroh's army to defeat Amon and I'm sure you could have substituted him in the fight with the Equalists' fighter planes with a character that was already established. Cutting him out would have also given the writers more breathing room for their other materials as well.

All complaints aside, I enjoyed season one of The Legend of Korra. Was it perfect? No. But it was fun to watch and a welcome breath of fresh air to some of the uber serious, ridiculously goofy, or incredibly dry animated action series on the air right now. So, thank you Michael Dante DiMartino, Bryan Konietzko, and Nickelodeon for bringing back the Avatar franchise and having a woman as the leading role. If nothing else, the series revival and season one finale was worth it just to see /co/ currently freak out about it. Now if you excuse me, I have some Makorra pictures from Tumblr to upload.
>> No. 105869
>>105865
Then think of it this way: I'm not going to spoiler alert, because by this point, you've either seen the finale or what the fuck are you doing in the finale thread?

The being whose power manifests through the Avatar has its own mysterious agenda, abilities and perceptions. Just as Roku could guide Aang who came before him, Aang is an element of Korra's personality. Korra is just the latest blessed disciple in a long line of mortals touched by the spirit, and thus her status as The Avatar of her generation. Korra's airbending capability was blocked. Why? By Korra's own personality? By the air spirits denying her access to their element? By the spirit of the Avatar itself?
I think the answer to all three of these questions would be, "Yes."
Amon's specific method of locking your ability to bend isn't cutting your spiritual ties, it's only sealing your ability to interface with the spirits. It's not divine and thorough, like the Avatar cutting you off at the spiritual root. It's selectively shutting off your ability to work with your element. But not removing it. He's just reaching down, flicking a switch, and then blocking it off against anybody less skilled than himself fiddling with it. As a prodigy who invested in bloodbending, that's his gift.
But how do you clip the wings off of a butterfly that is still a caterpillar? You don't. Because the organism doesn't have anything to remove. Amon didn't take away her airbending, because there was no airbending to take. This unlocking happened after Amon switched off the rest of her bending. I could practically see the air spirits making a gigantic god damned trollface at Amon after he considered her disarmed and the wind handed her a club and a bouquet of roses.

By that same extension, Amon also could've sealed away her Avatarness. If she had it, at the time. All she had was the ability to work with all four elements. Her REAL Avatarness comes in the form of being able to tap in to all the spirits and past lives for power and individually tap them for wisdom. If she'd made contact and expressed this connection, then Amon could've sealed that away permanently, too. Perhaps the Grand Spirit knew this, and hedged its bet that Korra could deal with him without endangering itself on the mortal plane the way it would've had Korra been able to realize the Avatar State. Korra dies, big whoop, it moves on to the next generation and Korra's spirit is added to the tapestry. Unresolved, angry, and with some crucial bits of wisdom for the next successor when next dealing with Amon.

And lo, once the threat of being spiritually neutered was over and done with, the Great Spirit benefactor of the Avatar Itself decided, "yep, lets get married to a glowy ceremony."

It's possibly I'm just spackeling plotholes. But I like to think by the way Aang and co. showed up to unify with her spiritually, this was less a case of bad writing and more a, "Just as planned."
>> No. 105870
>>105867
>The most important rule in writing a mystery is that the masked criminal must be mentioned beforehand, but must not be obvious to the viewer.

There's no rule saying that.
>> No. 105871
Anyone has link of both ep 11 and 12 ?
>> No. 105872
I think the reveal of Amon being Tarrlock's brother worked.

For one thing: It explained how he shrugged off Blood-Bending. It helped tie-in Tarrlock's story and it also basically gave us a large, overarching explanation as to how and why this all worked.

I have to give them credit. While the reveal wasn't handled as 100% gracefully as I would have liked, it worked within the confines of the plot and I can't think of any immediate holes that the revelation makes.
>> No. 105873
>>105847 (Anon from original comment)
Fair enough. I can accept that view of her.
>> No. 105874
That was pretty neato. I kinda hoped Aang showing up would've been the season 2 hook. He gives Korra her Avatar state, but she still can't bend the other three elements, so she has to go on journey of self discovery with her new Spirit guide, Aang. Season two is her traveling the world she's supposed to protect and maybe even heading into the spirit world. Meanwhile, everyone else gets to deal with the remaining Equalists in Republic City, because there's no way they're completely done yet.
>> No. 105876
>>105872
It also made the flashback way more meaningful. And it really made sense, Avatars can see the past only through their previous incarnations and that was all Aang could show Korra since it was the only time he was around Yakone.

>>105871
They're up on the pirate bay, can't give a direct link since it's blocked here.
>> No. 105877
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105877
Kyoshi and Yangchen look way hotter than I remembered.
>> No. 105878
>>105877

I don't remember fatty the cakebender being in that lineup either.
>> No. 105880
vimeo version of the finale for now The Finalevimeo thumb
>> No. 105881
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105881
"Wow. . . Nice boat."

>Wait what
>WHAT
>OH MY GOD

Should've ended the episode there. I didn't approve of the bending being restored; it invalidated the entire season.

I still loved the hallway fights with Amon and the Pearl Harbor firebending, though.
>> No. 105882
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105882
>>105877
Next Season, ELEMENTAL SENTAI BENDAMAN
>> No. 105883
>>105881
Yeah let's spend another series watching the Avatar learn the elements which we already know the process of. There was no way Bryke was going to end it without presenting a way to restore bending.
>> No. 105884
>>105881
It didn't invalidate anything, there was only going to be one season originally. Also why shouldn't THE FUCKING AVATAR be able to reverse the effects of what is simply an advanced blood bending technique?
>> No. 105885
>>105877
>they died young, so did Aang
;_;
>> No. 105886
>>105881

>it invalidated the entire season.

Actually, it saved the entire season. Stripping people of their bending indiscriminately is NOT OK
>> No. 105887
>>105877
That one guy is so fat he got to be the Avatar TWICE.
>> No. 105888
Sato is fucking Leonardo da Vinci steampunk mode.

A couple decades and they'll land on the Moon.
>> No. 105889
>>105867

>To have Amon's identity revealed to be no one seen in the show before and to have his motive and backstory explained in a lengthy speech an episode before the reveal just comes off as a cop-out.

True, I was really expecting the moment he took his mask off that he had somehow talked Tarlok into giving Korra that story so she would accuse him and look even more like a fraud herself. And that he would totally turn out to be someone we knew but never saw coming. Like, I dunno, Saikhan.

It would've been so much cooler. Also I was a bit disappointed that Amon wasn't really just a guy who wanted equality. But the scene on the boat made up for a lot of things, it was really gripping.
>> No. 105890
>>105886
>Stripping people of their bending indiscriminately is NOT OK
Yes. That is the point. Amon is not a good guy.
And while I don't think that Korra's ability to heal it "invalidates the season", it does make a couple things seem kinda cheap to me. Chiefly (ha) Lin's sacrifice.
>> No. 105891
>>105887
"We're sorry sir, but you need to buy an extra seat on the spiritual plane."
>> No. 105892
Spirit bending and the Avatar state save the day once again. How exciting. You know what else would have been exciting? If she'd won at least one of her own battles this season.
>> No. 105893
>>105887
>>105891

A life couldn't contain the greatness of his spirit, so he got got two reincarnations, both fat to make room for all that greatness.
>> No. 105895
>>105887
He just ate the water avatar, that's all.
>> No. 105896
>>105892

Did you even watch the show?
>> No. 105898
Any download links yet?
>> No. 105900
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105900
So was this guy voiced by Robert Paulsen?
>> No. 105901
>>105831
He decided to fly around the world, reversing the Earth's rotation and taking him back in time to undo some of the more serious damage done by the Equalists.
>> No. 105902
The murder-suicide was cool, but are we sure it's that uncommon on kids shows? I feel like I've seen it before in some dcau cartoon.

>>105898
Just found some streamings and low quality torrents.
http://ifwemetupatmidnight.tumblr.com/post/25732740163/legend-of-korra-episode-11-and-12-skeletons-in
>> No. 105904
>>105896
Her biggest victory this season was knocking the LT off of the pro-bending arena and he fucking survived so that doesn't even count. Other than that she got knocked unconscious and had her ass saved by someone else every time that I can recall. I really did not see any of that coming at the start of the season. I would not have guessed that they were going to make an expy of Katara with all of the bitchy attitude but zero emotional depth, Mary Sue up him to the degree that he can resist bloodbending and shoot lightning without doing anything but pointing, and have him be the actual hero of the series. If you had put a gun to my head in April and told me to write down all of the possibilities for what would happen I would not have put that down. I wouldn't have been able to put my head in a place that coked-up and stupid.
>> No. 105905
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105905
You know Asami, you've really grown up.
>> No. 105907
>>105904

>Other than that she got knocked unconscious and had her ass saved by someone else every time that I can recall
Saved by
>Lin when she's falling in the arena
>Asami in episode 7
>Mako in the last episode
?
?
?

Saved
>Mako
>Bolin
>Lin
>Tenzin
>Iroh
>Tenzin's kids

>I would not have guessed that they were going to make an expy of Katara with all of the bitchy attitude but zero emotional depth, Mary Sue up him to the degree that he can resist bloodbending and shoot lightning without doing anything but pointing, and have him be the actual hero of the series
You must've missed the part where she saved Mako after that and resisted bloodbending herself.
>> No. 105908
>>105906
the main character is supposed to be able to do shit like that. What's Mako's excuse?
>> No. 105909
>>105908

he's the OTHER AVATAR and was actually Amon the whole time.
>> No. 105910
Amon's own bending and his self hatred of bending reminds me of all of those homophobes who preach against homosexuality but are later outed as self hating homosexuals themselves. Amon had to keep his past a secret in order to keep the movement alive, kinda like how Hitler kept his Jewish past a secret in order to keep the Nazi movement alive.

Seriously I did not seeing Amon being a bender coming nor did I see the murder/suicide thing coming, although the story of his parents getting killed by firebenders felt like propaganda from the start.
>> No. 105915
>>105910
Hitler wasn't Jewish. But lets not divert this into a thread about Nazis or ww2
>> No. 105921
>>105881
>I didn't approve of the bending being restored; it invalidated the entire season.
No, it invalidated Amon's toxic grip on the natural order. And it's still a kids show. You gotta have a happy ending.
I wish they could have spread it out into another episode, maybe in the new season, but they only got so many and they where already done setting up season 1 when they got season 2.
>> No. 105925
There is no way Lieutenant wasn't gay for Amon.
>> No. 105926
>>105921
I don't think it needed a season but it definitely needed a few more episodes to tie it in like ten times better.
>> No. 105929
>The murder-suicide was cool, but are we sure it's that uncommon on kids shows? I feel like I've seen it before in some dcau cartoon.

"murder-suicide" really?

You see an explosion from a distance and suddenly they're dead with no way to return? You're quite gullible.
>> No. 105930
>>105929
Do you think Tarrlok did that just for shits and giggles? Even if they survived, which they most likely did not, he was still attempting to kill himself and Amon.
>> No. 105931
>>105929
You don't see Combustion Man running around anymore.
>> No. 105934
Waterbender in the middle of the ocean.. and some small fire explosion is suppose to kill him? Even though in previous episode fire is shown to not really hurt people at all?

If he really is dead, then it's pretty stupid writing. I know they can't show him dying on screen with a body, but 'explosion with no body' is one of the lamest tricks in the books of fake-deaths, and using it as a real death seems stupid.
>> No. 105936
>>105930
>Even if they survived, which they most likely did not, he was still attempting to kill himself and Amon.

Is this like the whole "Korra is a blood thirsty bitch because she tried to kill Tarrlok and he would have died if he didn't stop her". Attempting is the key word here. You can attempt all you want, especially villains. Let me know when Amon gets shot in the face like Joker did via Robin.
>> No. 105937
>>105936
No, it's not because we don't have any solid proof Korra was going to go in for the kill. We actually know what Tarrlok was trying to do because he put the glove on, unscrewed the gas cap and put his hand over it. He didn't accidentally trip and send a gauntlet flying into the conveniently opened gas gauge.

And they're most definitely dead. Bryke had an opportunity to bring Jet back for The Promise, but they shut that down Why would they suddenly change their minds for Tarrlok and Amon?
>> No. 105938
>>105934
>small fire explosion
Seriously?
>>105791

>Even though in previous episode fire is shown to not really hurt people at all?
Single fire blast =/= boat engine explosion
>> No. 105939
>>105937
Jet's death was terribly handled as well. When you have to confirm it at Comic Con next year and make fun of it in-universe, then you know they dropped the ball.
>> No. 105940
An even-handed, thoughtful review of the first season:

http://www.tv.com/news/the-legend-of-korra-season-1-wrap-up-a-delight-to-watch-flaws-and-all-28952/
>> No. 105941
>>105939
You know it was because of Nickelodeon that they couldn't be really upfront about it, right?
>> No. 105943
>>105941
Yeah, in that case they were actually explicitly forbidden to mention Jet's death on the show since he was still a teen and Nick considered that taboo stuff. That's why in the next episode Long Feng is only accused of brainwashing him.
>> No. 105944
>>105939
>>105941
Toph's solemn "he's lying" line delivered all of the finality that was needed, though. All of the alternate fan theories were reaching, honestly.
>> No. 105945
>>105944
Yeah, it was mostly fangirls being in denial, just like the ones who want Tahno on Korra's team.
>> No. 105946
>>105934
You don't get a FUCKING MUSHROOM CLOUD from a small explosion
>> No. 105947
>People actually doubting that Amon and Tarrlok have been killed off
You gotta be fucking kidding me
The explosion was large enough to make a mushroom cloud. Surviving that would be enormously stupid.
>> No. 105948
>>105944
"Go on, I'll be okay" is one of the oldest tricks in the book.

Especially in plenty of instances they are okay, even if they say it as a lie.

Thundercats did it in their premier episode with Jaga when he held off the lizard dudes.

And yes, since they never say "Shit, Jet died yo" or held a funeral or accused Long Feng of it, it wasn't clear. Especially with how the hell Smellerbee and Longshot survived. And they never even mention Jet being dead or "our old friend.. wish he was here" or anything.
>> No. 105949
>>105947
Given Amon's hax, I'd be disappointed if he didn't immediately surround himself with water the minute he felt the slightest hint of heat behind him. Unless he had the http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IdiotBall
>> No. 105951
>>105947
It's probably the least ambiguous death we saw in Avatar.
>> No. 105952
>>105947

I can see how people could believe Amon might survive, though. Master-class benders are ludicrously tough. Iroh II took a damn torpedo to his face and got away with only superficial burns. Amon using seawater to somehow protect himself at the last second seems plausible if you want him to survive.

Although I agree they both died.
>> No. 105953
Jet was clearly dead, Amon is clearly dead, just because you can't let go of some shitty tropes does not make that any less obvious.
>> No. 105954
>>105949
Dude, he already knew. The tear, remember? He just didn't resist.

>>105948
You make it sound like Avatar has a precedent of non-Avatar people actually coming back from the dead (something Thundercats does have in the lore). Even death fake-outs are rare; the only I can name is Zuko surviving Zhao's bombing back in the first season (and that one was foreshadowed).
>> No. 105955
>>105949
Failing to react in one second is hardly a case of holding the idiot ball.
And the guy was crying, he was clearly not at his best.

He could have survived, but he doesn't really have to.
>> No. 105956
>>105954
>the only I can name is Zuko surviving Zhao's bombing back in the first season (and that one was foreshadowed)
If you freeze-frame during the explosion you can see him putting up a fire shield.
>> No. 105960
I had no gripes about the two episodes while watching them. It's hard to when there is so much going on in 40 minutes, but having talked to some people makes me think that it was actually kind of bad.

things like Tenzin and his family being captured out of no where totally made lin's sacrifice seem less worthwhile, and then she miraculously got it back? Mako never even broke up with asami and he was always shoehorning something corny, Bolin is just third rate and should've been replaced by naga, Iroh and the united forces not doing nothin but tease us, but what irks me most is Amon.

Why did he flee or become irrational when he was outed as a bender? wouldn't a bender being against benders aide his cause. I know he lied about it, but that's retarded to begin with. I'm sure there were some benders within the equalist movement and vice versa. Issues like benders still abusing everyone are still commonplace. It's like the writers tried to make it seem black and white with no grey in between to wrap it up.
>> No. 105961
>>105960

Amon was fucked because the ruse that his face was ruined by a firebender was destroyed.
>> No. 105962
>>105960
Between the lie about his past, the lie about him being guided by Spirits and the lie about him not being a bender his credibility went right down the toilet. Nobody would've followed him after that, except maybe a lynch mob.
>> No. 105964
>>105960
>I'm sure there were some benders within the equalist movement and vice versa.

How many black people you see at a KKK rally?
>> No. 105965
So basically the whole point of this entire season was to show that waterbenders are the most powerful benders on earth?
>> No. 105966
Someone made the point that a bloodbender can probably feel people, and he proved it when he pulled Korra out of her hiding place. So, on the boat, he could feel Tarrlok's movements and knew what he was doing, and didn't try to stop him.
>> No. 105968
>>105962
yeah I get that, but why did he have to lie about being a bender to begin with? minus the bloodbending, which he could've omitted, him being a bender could've helped his cause by showing the non benders that even he finds something wrong with bending himself.
>> No. 105969
>>105968

See >>105964. He's not leading a peaceful discussion group about social inequalities, he's leading a bunch of thugs in a violent revolution in order to take out their perceived grievances against a subset of the population. Leading that kind of group and identifying himself as The Enemy are mutually exclusive.
>> No. 105970
>>105964
>How many black people you see at a KKK rally?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/635175667/Black-sergeant-was-loyal-Klansman.html

It's quite effective. "Even THEY know they're in the wrong". Amon's whole plan was retarded.
>> No. 105971
>>105964
>How many black people you see at a KKK rally?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/635175667/Black-sergeant-was-loyal-Klansman.html

It's quite effective. "Even THEY know they're in the wrong". Amon's whole plan was retarded.
>> No. 105972
>>105970

Did you even read that before linking it? The black dude there was under cover, and none of the klansmen knew he was black.
>> No. 105977
>>105954
He said he would just start over with his brother, and nothing could stop them both if they were together. Tarrlok agreed but went to the boat engine. Amon sensed this and the tear was because he sense his brother's betrayal and sighed, realizing even his brother was against him.

He created a water shiild and fled
>> No. 105981
>>105977
Hmmm, what a sad way to interpret that. I took it more as an emotional acceptance to the end of their sad lives.
>> No. 105983
>>105981
But he just got done saying "Muwahaha, I'll be back, I'll just start over".
>> No. 105985
Chanting to myself.
"jesus Bolin do something awesome already I waited for you come on COME ON"
For fifty-six minutes.
>> No. 105986
>>105983
Yeah, but I took that as the helpless ramblings of a man who knows its over. He's just wishing. Just fantasizing out loud. I mean, even Tarrlock agrees "just like old times". It doesn't mean that old times resembled them exploding. They're both just talking.
>> No. 105987
>>105985
I agree. After the whole "Bolin gets a date" episode we don't really see him do much in the series. I was disappointed.

Also, blog post:
http://mattdemers.com/post/25752631603/watch-review-the-legend-of-korra-s1e11-skeletons-in
>> No. 105989
>>105985

He got all the best lines, that has to count for something.
>> No. 105991
He was talking of starting over, not "muhahaha returning", i.e. do something else with their lives.
>> No. 105992
>>105989
With the "At least you got airbending down" he said what we all were thinking.
>> No. 105994
>>105977
I think Tarrlok recognized the parallel to his father's life, and didn't want the cycle of violence to continue.
>> No. 105997
Well, I just got around to watching the last four episodes.

I really want to like LoK. There's a lot of good stuff there.
They've just made so many strange decisions in its creation though.

Why did they spend the first half of the season faffing about with pro-bending and romance, then try to cram a season's worth of plot into five episodes?

Why the little air-bending-only interlude if they were just going to wrap it up in ten minutes?
Why not just have her go avatar state? We already knew that that superseded bloodbending.

Why pretty much everything about Mako?

Maybe now that they know how much time they have, the second season will be better, but so far LoK just seems... stunted.
>> No. 106000
>>105997
You already know the answer to your questions. They started this with one season in mind, then bam -- greed got to them. Not that I'm complaining, but I really, REALLY can't see where they could take a season 2 and make it fitting. It'll be like the Pirates of the Caribbeans trilogy. First installation with a self-contained neat little plot, then for the sequel we'll get Davy Jones and Krakens and zombie Amon coming back to join the team. You'll see.

And Iroh was 100% useless and not needed; just there for the fangirls. Search your hearts, you know this to be true.
>> No. 106001
>>106000
If they started with one season in mind, then why were the early episodes so pointless?

They kicked things off like they had another three seasons to stretch out in, then halfway through they realized the plot hadn't gone anywhere yet.
>> No. 106002
>>105997
>Maybe now that they know how much time they have, the second season will be better, but so far LoK just seems... stunted.

Mike and Bryan are great idea men, but not so great with the writing, which was obviously the biggest flaw in S1. The world, the plot, the ideas themselves were fantastic, just not executed as well as they could have been with better writers. Which is why I have high hopes for season 2.

They're getting back some of writers and directors from the first series (including Tim Hedrick and Lauren MacMullan, the writer and director of "City of Walls and Secrets), that alone should make a huge difference.
>> No. 106008
>>106001
>If they started with one season in mind, then why were the early episodes so pointless?
To set up the world and characters, show how they meet and interact.
>> No. 106010
>>106008
Which I thoroughly enjoyed, but they absolutely did not have time for.
Pro-Bending was fun, but the later episodes suffered for it.
>> No. 106012
Cripes the reason Korra kept losing is she didnt always take Naga with her. That dog can kick some ass...
>> No. 106018
>>106010
It's because they had underestimated what they could do in such a limited amount of time.
>> No. 106026
>>105992
Right? That was the time for her to count what she had left, not what she'd lost. If Korra had remembered off the bat that it's the ancestral spirit link that definitively makes her the Avatar, not so much the multiple-element-bending, she probably would have hit upon the right solution with a lot less heartbreak.

But no, Mako had to jump in with his faux-sensitive, self-righteous-
no, alright, fuck it, we're not starting that.
>> No. 106027
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106027
So what are the chances of him escaping and becoming the villain of Season 2?
>> No. 106029
>>106010

Korra should have met Mako and Bolin in the audience of a probending game, agreed to join the team they're trying to start, but the stadium is taken out before they can actually do anything. Bam, 1 episode. Or they could do 2 episodes with one dedicated to them trying to find work to pay their upstart. This would be treated as a kind of Tales of Ba Sing Se episode which introduces Republic City and it's problems, and they meet Asami or whatever.
>> No. 106030
One thing I did like was how bloodbending tied in metaphorically with the first series. In The Puppetmaster and The Southern Raiders, it's a tool for revenge. Justified in some cases, not in others. I felt it was appropriate Amon had the same tools.

Really, this season should have been named "Blood". The central themes of aribending: flexibility, following the path of least resistance, detachment from the world, ect, weren't as present.
>> No. 106036
>>106030

Might have given the game away a bit. Also difficult to market to parents.
>> No. 106051
>>105989
Oh, Bolin... Why so Sokka?
>> No. 106056
>>106051
This comparison really falls flat because a character like Sokka actually had a personality beyond just jokes and sarcasm. Sokka also provided some marginal use to Team Avatar with his own unique talents.

Bolin is not only weak as shit, his personality consists solely of jokes. He doesn't even get sarcasm, he's just... jokes.
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106058
>korra looses her bending
>realizes how badly the world needs its avatar
>tries to kill herself to renew the avatar cycle

i was only dicking around when i made theat theory up a few weeks ago, i cant believe it actually came true
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106060
>>106056
>his personality consists solely of jokes

Demonstrably untrue.
>> No. 106067
>>106012
When that damn dog pulled THREE MECHS down I just had to stare at the TV. Just DAMN.

Anyways, I feel less cheated by Korra getting her bending back because we weren't really getting spirit bending from Amon anyways. It was fancy bloodbending, but it just amounted to a permanent chi-block. Katara really should have recognized that even if she couldn't fix it.
Bolin had some good lines, but Asami managed to kicks his ass in usefulness. Also, whoever said Asami needs to kick Makorra in the junk, I'm for it. It's fucked up that things just dropped with her like that. The build up was good, but then we didn't get a satisfying conclusion, just some aimless wtf-ery.

Anyways, Amon being a lying ass fits, and he wasn't even really doing the same thing Aang was, but damnation did it make not a single fucking piece of sense for Korra to have airbending when everything else didn't work. I'm just going to assume it's because he had no idea what chi paths are required for Airbending.
Did Ty Lee ever hit Aang with her chi block? I cannot remember.

They really did waste waaaaaay too damn much time with Pro-bending early on, and while it was a good character establishing arc, it... just wasn't that interesting.

Also, we better get some fucking Bumi goddamit.

Also also, I still cannot believe that last scene with Tarlock and Noatok, that was... that was just stunning.
>> No. 106068
>>106066
>They really did waste waaaaaay too damn much time with Pro-bending early on, and while it was a good character establishing arc, it... just wasn't that interesting.
I agree.
But you know what? I think it gave me enough writing fodder. The implications of a professional sport based on a way of life for people in that universe are astounding and the possibilities are endless.
What started it? How did it get to where it is now? How much do we see of it in the other nations? Where is it going?

Shit, I got a "Don't get too involved doing fanwork" policy, but the thought itself was enough writing material for me to get going with some stories I've got in mind.
i.e. brb, writing pro-bending stories.

It might be just a throwaway entertaining idea for the writers, but its just another element I'd be more than happy to elaborate on in my mind.
Here's an idea. For pro-bending. You need earth, and water. firebenders can manage. So... before all this tech-supported modalities, they needed to play nearby a river. Speaking at a bottom-feeder level, like most sports are born.
...Maybe that guy thinking a River Plate reference was appropriate was on to something.

tl;dr, just me geeking out.
>> No. 106069
>>106067
I'm going by the theory that she didn't HAVE Airbending until the spirits decided it were safe to give it to her.
See, because you can't block off what isn't there. But spontaneously generates.
>> No. 106071
>>106067
Bumi was the fucking best.
Every time I get mad about how fucking stupid the last five minutes were, I stop, take a deep breath, and watch that clip, and 12 seconds later, I'm fine.
I so hope he has more screentime for Book 2.
>> No. 106072
>>106071
Thank god for the Bumi scene. I was crazy pissed off about how poorly handled those last few minutes were, especially taking a cool idea (Korra's gonna jumpbend! KORRA'S GONNA JUMPBEND!) and surrounding it with shipping instead of "Look at your friends, Korra, they fucking care."

But then, there's Bumi. And in less than 10 seconds he becomes one of the best characters we've seen.
>> No. 106077
>>106027
pretty slim

I swear the adults and old people were the best characters. no drama. just being grumpy and kicking ass. take notes bryke.
>> No. 106089
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106089
>You see an explosion from a distance and suddenly they're dead with no way to return? You're quite gullible.

This isn't one piece. People die when they explode on small boats in this show.
>> No. 106090
Yeah did you see a parachute when the boat exploded?

...didn't think so.
>> No. 106093
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106093
>pull the ending of Aang's story out of thin air
>build up an entire season of a second show as if you're going to go into where that ending came from
>oops it has nothing to do with anything
>here have some last-episode reveal
>> No. 106102
Worst part was no Zuko, telling Korra that some friendships are so strong, they can even transcend lifetimes.
>> No. 106105
>>106102

What with how Makorra went, I don't really think she'd give much of a fuck about that.
>> No. 106108
I actually hope there's no bloodbending next season, it's been cool but it's erasing fight scenes.
>> No. 106123
>>106089
Explosions are spectacularly undeadly in One Piece. I think Pell showed this quite clearly.
>> No. 106126
>>106123

That was his point.
>> No. 106131
>>106102
>they can even transcend lifetimes

Still incredibly pissed that Toph was dead, so we couldn't get this line from her.
It was one of the big things I was expecting out of LoK.
>> No. 106135
>>106131
Who said she's dead?
>> No. 106139
>>106135
Given the fact that Bryke jumped at the opportunity to shove a Zuko clone into the finale I'm pretty sure if Toph were still alive they would have worked her in somehow. Face it, she's dead.
>> No. 106140
Watched it.

Never thought I'd say it, but..

...I think they dropped the ball.
>> No. 106142
I feel like I'm the only person on earth that thoroughly enjoyed the finale.
>> No. 106145
>>106142
I imagine it's substantially easier if, like the creators, you have an overwhelming amount of appreciation for Mako.
>> No. 106147
>>106142
No, I did too. I didn't like the Makorra but unlike other people I wasn't allowing how much I was capable of enjoying it depend on the amount of shipping.
>> No. 106150
>>105910
>>kinda like how Hitler kept his Jewish past a secret in order to keep the Nazi movement alive.

That isn't true and you're only perpetuating the racist stereotype of self-hating Jews that are self-destructive.
>> No. 106152
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106152
MAKORRA
>> No. 106153
>>106150
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-24/hitler-dna-tests-show-he-likely-had-jewish-african-roots-daily-mail-says.html
>> No. 106154
>>105925
>"I trusted you"
>dat cracking voice
>dat quivering lip

Oh Lieutenant. Your story is as tragic as it is romantic.
>> No. 106156
>>106147
I really question that opinion because he keeps thrusting himself into every god damn scene even in the finale like the show is supposed to be about him instead of Korra. Remember back in episode 9 when he screamed at all of her friends and guardians to "give her some space", shoved them out of the way, then picked her up and hovered over her for the rest of the series? Why doesn't he take his own fucking advice? She can't even breathe without fucking Mako being around; no wonder she can't focus on achieving spiritual connection; he won't go the fuck away for ten minutes so she can do so much as think. God what an annoying bastard of a character.

Why did they think we wanted a Katara who never took a break?
>> No. 106157
reipost from a thread that probably shouldn't exist:

I was very disappointed and I think it's more that there are just way, way, way too many characters. Too many to develop, too many for the script to reasonably handle at making all of them interesting. I can see now that the main reason Asami and Bolin exis is so there's a Toph/Sokka team to go screw up the airfield; that's the only reason they were even in the show since episode 6. The only reason Mako is there is because Korra has to be beaten into the dirt so thoroughly she loses every ounce of self-worth and comes a heartbeat away from throwing herself off of a cliff so the Avatar state can kick in and save her from herself. Destination-focused writing is another problem; they always had this grand setpiece that they were building towards and ignoring everything in the way while giving us silly distractions like the Mako & Asami relationship; pro-bending; Korra bothering to do anything but get depressed; the entire season was focused on making the last two episodes in general and in particular the last five minutes of the 12th episode happen; they were never thinking about making the previous 235 minutes interesting enough to stand on their own.
>> No. 106158
>>106153
And he probably had Neanderthal DNA too, because people in Eurasia and America have Neanderthal DNA too.
>> No. 106159
>>106139

But not Zuko himself, what the fuck even is this argument.
>> No. 106160
>>106157
>they always had this grand setpiece that they were building towards and ignoring everything in the way while giving us silly distractions like the Mako & Asami relationship; pro-bending; Korra bothering to do anything but get depressed;

If you can't spot the contradiction in this statement...
>> No. 106161
>>106158
I believe the salient point is that by his own laws, the Nuremberg race laws; his marrying Eva Braun; his even existing, was contrary to the entire movement. Just like Amon being a waterbender.
>> No. 106162
>>106160
It's not a contradiction. The distractions didn't mean dick. They were there to fill time; to keep us watching until the grand finale that they had focused all of their attention on started.
>> No. 106163
So.. um ..

Why could Amon take away bending, again? I worked into my headcannon that he used bloodbending to somehow physically change the flow of chi or some other nonsense like an advanced form of chi blocking.. But then that ending scene came and we see Korra having to go all glowey and magical to change it back. Why? If it was just advanced waterbending in work, why couldn't Katara at least detect this?

And is Korra gonna have to go person by person and debend hundreds of people all over the city? Single-file line? And Yakone's facial reconstruction surgeons must have found a way to make him younger, too, cause he looked about 20 years younger after. Oh, and what did Iroh do, again? Was that cringe-worthy VA comeback worth it? Ugh.

I still enjoyed it, though. If one just pretends Mako is not in any scene and Korra just talks to herself all the time, the ending is as close to perfect as it could have been.
>> No. 106165
>>106163

>why couldn't Katara at least detect this?

I think she could. She just couldn't think of a way to counter it.
>> No. 106168
>>106163
I figured the block worked by fucking around with the brain in some way, and that Katara couldn't undo it because Noatak had been working on his bloodbending since early childhood, whereas Katara had used bloodbending twice in her lifetime out of anger and had since had it outlawed and tried her best to forget it existed.
>> No. 106169
Also I think at the end of the day the real issue with Legend of Korra (outside of the dumb relationship bullcrap) was that it tried to tackle issues that were in and of themselves fairly deep but couldn't provide an answer outside of "Korra good, Amon evil" and just skimmed over most of the underlying tensions.

Really I think the MAJOR ISSUE of this entire arc was something that was more or less casually ignored whereas if they just brought it up ONCE I think it could've helped. Specifically: when does enforcement and power truly assist the downtrodden and when does it just become tyranny itself? The Avatar's whole mission has been to basically bully people into doing things.

Avatar Kyoshi sent a man falling to his death, Avatar Roku stopped Fire-Lord Sozin's first imperial attack and Avatar Aang basically one-upped the entire Fire-Nation and it's Lord. Keep in mind most of these people were conquerors, mad-men and destructive loonies so they were typically just deserved with their ya know, genocidal tactics. But the issue Korra brings up is a lot less black and white. We instantly knew Aang was the good-guy and Ozai was the dark lord he must defeat, that's a trope and a storyarc as old as dirt itself.

But Amon actually had a decent point in all of this, that the Avatar MIGHT not always be just, that people's connection to the Spirit World might not always be right. That when even a nebulous but supposedly beneficial goal like "Balance" is rigorously enforced by a lone person, even one with god-like power, it can easily be seen as just the work of a tyrant trying to oppress people.

NOW, that's not to say I agree with Amon. I don't rightfully care what you say, the guy was fucking up people's chi irrevocably, breaking into houses, shocking political figures and in general was a right dick. He's an extremist, a well intentioned one, but an extremist none the less. I think the entire series would've worked a BIT better had Korra learned... strangely one of the tenants of Air-Bending. That tackling a problem head-on isn't the answer, that you need to be flexible and moreover, be willing to compromise and make hard decisions.

We sort of got that with Tarrlock and his new anti-equalist regime, but it doesn't really feel natural. I can take Amon being a blood-bender (fact I like how that tied into the Yakone plot, it made the whole thing feel a bit more neat and tidy) but I don't really like how nobody in Korra really stopped to ask "could the Equalists be right on some level?" and have Korra possibly face a moment of self-doubt or realization that she's dealing with a societal issue.

But instead the problem is mostly punched away and when Amon is outed that's just the end of the Equalists... I guess.
>> No. 106170
>>106169
No, the equalists are not right. Their argument was that benders were the source of all evil in the world. Look at Hiroshi Sato and tell me they could possibly be correct. They were delusional morons who never thought anything through.
>> No. 106172
>>106170
But evil benders have the ability to make a much bigger impact than 'normal' evil people. Which of course makes the technology giving the normal man similar powers, pretty questionable.

So basically they would be right, if they were consistent and also opposed to progress. Because that's also basically what you're doing by taking away a gift like bending.
So they would have to destroy the technology they used to overpower benders after their victory.

That sounds pretty ridiculous, but hey, if it makes the world a better place, why not.
>> No. 106173
>>106172
Beat it, hippie.
>> No. 106174
>>106172
Except there's no proof that the world would be a better place without bending.
>> No. 106176
>>106169
That's always been the biggest problem with Avatar, though. Tackling issues that it doesn't have the backbone to reinforce. Always. Since the start.
It's a series that's always trying to become more adult-oriented, mature and deep and then suddenly remembers they're on Nickelodeon and a good chunk of their audience is sitting there drooling and half-waiting for Spongebob to start. So they hold back the punch and fall back to their shipping crap. It's a lack of commitment stemming from what I can only guess is latent disillusionment on their part. I still don't even know how they managed to find their balls to do that Amon/Tarrlok ending.
>> No. 106178
>>106162

I think you need to rewatch The Cave of Two Lovers and review the definitions of 'journey' and 'destination'.
>> No. 106190
>>106178
Oh, okay, so you lay out for me all the characterization present in The Legend of Korra.
>> No. 106191
>>106176

True. But in the Last Airbender it was "We need to defeat a genocidal dictator of an imperialist nation."

It was the typical plucky hero gets a band of warriors together to overthrown the dark overlord story.

Here? It's a revolutionary extremist faction with a doctrine that's actually sympathetic. Yes they go WAY WAY overboard that you can't help but think of them as the "bad guys" but either way you expect more tact and grace with this.
>> No. 106193
>>106191
How is their doctrine sympathetic? There's no evidence they ever presented a political statement to the Republic City council or the other governments of the world for any redress of grievances. There was no Declaration of Independence filed her; no appeal to the bendocracy that they include others in their decisionmaking or transform the government into something that served the needs of the United Republic itself; all they had was a terrorist movement.
>> No. 106194
Anyone else expecting there to start being "Across the Universe" style interpretations of the ending, where it turned out that the reason why everything seemed to be fixed so perfectly at the end was that Korra committed suicide, and that the rest of the show is what's happening as she lay dying at the bottom of the cliff?

This isn't meant to be a troll post, I'm just curious.
>> No. 106197
>>106190

What, all of it? That's a pretty tall order, I don't have all day.
>> No. 106198
>>106197
>Bolin tells jokes
>Mako is a dick
>Asami gets shat on
>Korra doesn't learn anything
>> No. 106200
A lot of people's problems with this season seem to stem from the fact that they simply didn't have the time needed to expand on their ideas and characters. Maybe the 2 extra episodes we get in the next season can help that.
>> No. 106202
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106202
d'awww
>> No. 106203
>>106202
That italization needs to be on the "are", not the "you." Who else did Hiroshi call a horrible father?
>> No. 106207
>>106194
I wouldn't be surprised. They're some very stupid people who are fans of this show that cling to anything even faux retarded DEEP shit like that.
>> No. 106214
>>106198

Oh for fuck's sake, here, I'll do it with just Korra if it'll shut you up, you flippant dicksicle.

- At the series opening we can immediately see that Korra is a headstrong individual with great pride in her bending prowess. Her style and personality are totally physical, something which grates at her teachers. She doesn't have much respect for tradition, but clearly has respect for her teachers themselves. Still, she strains at the confines of her training, and is eager to complete it and fully realize her role and abilities as the Avatar.

- When she reaches Republic City, though, it quickly becomes clear that her sheltered upbringing has left her a bit...well, sheltered. Not only does she have the usual culture shock a rural bumpkin experiences upon moving to the big city, but she's never known want, or crime, or the need for restraint. When she learns of and experiences these things first-hand on her first day in the city, it disturbs her worldview and she wants to stay and try to fix it. Again here we see her longing to be a good Avatar, to live up to the expectations people have in her.

- speaking of, she's also obviously impulsive and impatient. She gets easily frustrated when she makes mistakes or things don't go as she planned.

- like Aang, she's bad at dealing with negative emotions like fear. Unlike Aang, though, who simply avoids the topic like a dodging fiend, Korra buries her emotions and throws herself at the subject, making a great big show out of not being bothered by what she's feeling (even though she really is). It's no mystery why her favored style of bending is firebending, this is a very Firebender way of dealing with your problems; where an airbender would dodge or an earthbender would block, Korra attacks.

- Going back to the sheltering issue, in basically every romance-related thing she participates in it's pretty obvious that she's bad at it. I mean for fuck's same she was asking Jinora and Ikki for dating advice. Growing up in a sealed compound, surrounded by kung fu masters and white lotus guards has clearly not been great for her love life, and her understanding of relationships, especially in The Spirit of Compeitition, seems pretty idealized and black and white and pretty obviously drawing on nothing but radio serials and other media's depiction of it. Hey much like her take on street justice in the first episode! Good guy vs bad guy, bad guy loses, good guy gets credit.

- As the series goes on we see her grow more frustrated with herself for failing to understand airbending, but also that this frustration feeds into a feeling of failure as an Avatar for her. Again, she wants very badly to be a good successor to Aang, to meet the expectations set on her shoulders as the Avatar. That she could neither airbend nor connect spiritually made her feel pretty worthless. Her confident self-image is more fragile than it at first appears, because everything has up until this point gone her way, and she never developed the patience to weather the difficult times, or the humility to properly admit to failure. Learning both patience and humility are the major internal conflicts in her character arc, and although she's never exactly a bastion of neutral jing, she did improve considerably - compare the rally in episode three with the ambush/rally sequence in the finale. In episode three, she wanted to just bust on into the rally, bending blazing, and take Bolin back. In the finale her plan centered around hiding and waiting for the right moment to strike.

- As you may have noticed, a lot of the above focuses around her identity both as a strong bender and specifically as the Avatar. And that should come as no surprise, because being the Avatar has been her entire life. Unlike Aang, or Roku, who didn't know they were anything other than unusually talented benders until they were twelve and sixteen respectively, Korra's known who she was from the time she was very young. She lived in a protective compound, she trained in three bending arts, her whole life up to this point was dedicated to being Aang's successor. So when she loses earth, fire and water, when she is effectively no longer the Avatar, her whole identity, everything she ever worked for, is gone forever. Not only can she no longer be the good Avatar that she had been striving for her entire life, while she lives she's actually impeding the arrival of the next Avatar. If she contemplated suicide, it's no wonder.

And that's just one character. Done off the top of my head, and on my phone, so there's frankly even more I could probably say. But I suppose you'll just respond with more greentext and flippantry, so keep fucking that chicken I guess.
>> No. 106215
>>106214

I like this.
>> No. 106216
Now, say it with me.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrokenBase
>> No. 106218
>>106142

I'm done posting anonymously.

There's a lot of stuff I enjoyed in the finale.

And overall, it was a fine season.

But on a personal level, and talking about things as a whole, it fails to live up to even the first season of ATLA, which makes it a dissapointment.

And even if I preferred other ships before the show started, I was all pumped up for Makorra in the first three episodes.

And then in the finale it's like the biggest thing that makes everything not work (excluding the ending, which was rushed as fuck once Korra contacted the Avatar Spirit).
>> No. 106220
>>106218
I think Korra had a stronger start but began losing steam by episode 5, while atla's season one got better.
>> No. 106221
>>106214
>Just for you, this whole post will be in greentext.
>Korra is headstrong, brash and reckless.
>She is kinda naive and thinks bending is the best thing in the whole world and simply can't understand how anyone could see differently
>In the finale Korra elects to go confront Amon by herself.
>At this point, Amon already has the entire city under his thumb and thousands of Equalist supporters
>The last time Korra tried to confront Amon solo she nearly lost her bending then and there
>There is absolutely no marked improvement Korra has undergone in her airbending training or control of the Avatar State that would lead her to believe that she would fare any better against Amon than she did in episode 4.
>So Korra goes and fights Amon in the biggest Equalist rally ever (where conveniently only six Equalists out of the hundreds there even respond to Korra's presence) and loses her bending
>She beats Amon anyway because the key to unlocking airbending was for her boy toy crush to be put in semi-mortal peril
>Korra acts like the loss of her bending is the very worst thing ever and looks just about ready to kill herself
>Rather than learning that the Avatar isn't all about bending or that she as a person is more than just bending, she just cries a bit and gets everything fixed all fine and dandy

>I really invite you to try and provide some examples of Mako and Bolin's development
>If I greentext enough, will you get mad enough to make the attempt?
>Because I would like to see the look on your face when you realize they have absolutely nothing going for them.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
>> No. 106222
>>106218

I think I'll be siding with Seyker here on the sentiment, if not the particulars.

Going into the finale, I thought that Korra S1 was better than AtLA S1. But when I watched it (aside from a few brilliant scenes) it ended up sliding behind S1. Was it the pacing? Possibly. But there's only so far that explanation can stretch itself- for a finale, they should have known they couldn't cover so much so fast.

Even before all the action was over it was in my head 'No, this doesn't match up'. And sadly it didn't get past that, even with that great boat scene.

It wasn't the characters who faulted it for me. It was the way the story itself was told. And that was a shame.
>> No. 106224
>>106221

Whoa, I really am psychic! Greentext AND flippant dismissal!

Keep fucking that chicken.
>> No. 106225
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>>106221

>Rather than learning that the Avatar isn't all about bending or that she as a person is more than just bending, she just cries a bit and gets everything fixed all fine and dandy.

This. This was really the only problem worth noting.

Superheroes in fiction should be people we all aspire to be. The Avatar, by default, is a superhero whose actions should be a model for everyone, whether or not they can bend. Her behavior, her life must be something to admire. Not her bending.

For her to be dis-enfranchised and then RE-enfranchised just as quickly takes away from her as a character. For me the most poignant moment in the finale was when Tenzin did his surrogate-father thing, "It's going to be all right." And then: "No. No, it's not."

But then it was.

It fucking was.

Meaning that scene was pointless. The emotional impact of her stomping out into the snow with nothing to live for is completely gone. Invalidated. Neutered.

It's just frustrating, the way the whole thing was handled.

(Sagging for my own failure to contribute anything meaningful to the conversation.)
>> No. 106226
>>106214
You're right about the bending being part of her identity but I still don't buy the suicide part. Then again she never really seemed to connect with the nonbending people as I assumed she would (I thought her and Asami were going to become BFFs and learn shit from each other)
>> No. 106227
>>106218

Also, I think I'd be more forgiving of the final minutes of the chapter (Korra fixing Lin with energybending), if it were another chapter, with a clear time jump.

I believe her getting the her bending and the Avatar State alone was a good way to end the show.

But if it needed to be self contained and resolve fix the problem created by Amon, I think an aditional chapter would've helped the pacing a great deal.

In the end, yeah, I kinda enjoy Korra, but my mind can't stop thinking how rushed it is.
>> No. 106228
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>>106218

>I'm done posting anonymously

Woah, everyone look out! We got a REAL badass over here!
>> No. 106229
>>106221
Who the fuck are you quoting?
>> No. 106230
>>106225

No I agree with that and reckon it's a worthy contribution. It was a bad play, writing-wise, to resolve something so big on the drama-scale in such a way.
>> No. 106231
>>106227

Yeah I agree. Even just one more episode would have given them the room to have their big finale and properly execute that ending. Unfortunately, they didn't have that.
>> No. 106234
Mike and Bryan are still pretty green in the writing department, and it shows.
>> No. 106237
>>106221

I may partially agree with you...but I'm just gonna slap that one just for the greentext.
>> No. 106240
>>106228

Okay......

That's... an intresting way to read my post...
>> No. 106241
>>106240

Well it does beg the question why you were doing it in the first place.
>> No. 106243
>>106241

I just erased my cookies recently. And got lazy.

And since you, Daniel, Sneaky and the rest are leaving your feelings and opinions in the open, I felt I should be doing the same.
>> No. 106244
>keep fucking that chicken

Keep Fucking That Chickenyoutube thumb
>> No. 106245
>>106234
I'd say they can be fine in individual episodes, the Blue Spirit and the Blind Bandit are fan favorites (and the first Korra episodes are mostly good in the writing department too).
They need a larger team for the season plotting and brainstoming, and luckily they got that for Korra's season 2.

Btw, the music in the finale was easily the best part, I need a soundtrack.
>> No. 106247
>>106245

>They need a larger team for the season plotting and brainstoming, and luckily they got that for Korra's season 2.

They need help with pacing, mostly.

I think most of the plots and ideas in the season are solid.

But the pacing is atrocious.
>> No. 106252
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>>106215
So here's my thoughts on the matter, probably on the series as a whole.

Legend of Korra had big shoes to fill. It didn't try to completly ape ATLA and do it's own thing instead. This is comendable. However I do feel that for every fantastic decision the writers made, there came 2 troubling ones.

I'll try not to rehash most of the points already made. Yes, the pacing is probably the series biggest problem. Yes, the characters don't really pop and are rather atypical. And yes, they miss many interesting opportunities for no earthly reasons.

But let's talk about, what I think is the key problem with Legend of Korra:
It lacks heart.
It lacks that deeper undercurrent, that made ATLA more than just a good cartoon. There were things discussed in the show. Characters made philosophical and moral decisions. The show had a message and you had to respect that, even if you didn't fully agree with it.
Legend of Korra on the other hand only ever had the potential for such things. An industrialized world! A socio-ethical conflict! A woman looking for her spirituality! All things to consider. Yet these things get shoved aside at the first opportunity. Korra and her friend struggle on a purely physical and base-emotional level. That's not to say that there aren't lessons. But they get the shorthand and they are as shallow as they come. Bryke seems to be thinking that a teenage audience is done learing and would react negatively towards anything more. Ultimately ATLA felt like something whole. Something that could entertain beyond that surface level. Korra offers 24 minutes of thrills, but nothing else.

Well what about the romance? Isn't that where the heart of the show is then? Not really. The relationship drama is one of the most alienating subjects of the show. Many say that Bryke can't write romance. Maybe, but I think they didn't even really try. Even though the romanitic tension seems to be the key element that defines the characters, the show seldom explores them. The scenes that do are short, stiff and feel mostly out of place. This is partly due to the fact that the characters hadn't been given time to grow in their own right, before they're shoved into the lovetriangle. But also because there's no flavor to it. A few short conversations, one on one, in hushed voices and a kiss at the end. There you have it. That's what the fuzz was all about. And yet it's ever present in all interactions of the main cast. It stunts their growth and their friendships at every turn and instead of having them work through it and ultimately change, it's just left to fizzle out in the awkward interactions. No angry tirade from Asami, no self-reflection by Mako, no Korra laying the cards on the table, like she'd usually do, to the very end. Bryke seems deathly afraid to hurt their characters feelings. So everyone just sorta goes their preset paths. Nobody fights for anybody's love and everything just falls into place. But in smoothing all this over, the entire ending seems unearned. Mako did nothing to win Korra. Korra's absence was what won her Mako. Asami was jealous, but never took action. There was no struggle here. No passion. No real opposition.

What it was, was pandering. And that's another one of my pet peves in LoK. It's nice that the creators show us their love. But when it moves into the realm of desperately trying to buy it, that's where I get sick. The lovetriange isn't the only consent that Bryke made to us fans. We love the steampunk stuff from ATLA? Bryke gives us mechs! We love Dante Basco? Here he is, shoved into a central role for the finale! We like our villains dead? Here's a rather contrived way of doing that, while keeping Korra's hands clean.
These things are awesome in their own right, but they seem so foreign, so misplaced to me in the bigger sceme of things, in this world they created, as Dante's voice does on a grown man.

These are my 3 problems with Korra. That said, it's still a very good, high quality show. But it's nothing more than dumb fun.
Really, that's kind of a shame.
>> No. 106253
>>106247
That too, the fact that there's also more directors for season 2 may have given the team some breathing room. I hope the experience with season 1 helped and two more episodes will make a difference.

I remember finding weird how at the 2011 comic-con Bryan said season 2 was going to be way better that the first, now I guess we kind of know why.
>> No. 106255
>It lacks hea-

Nope. Stopped reading there.
>> No. 106256
>>106255
Aw, come on. At least tell me why my point is bullshit.
>> No. 106257
>>106253

>We hope you guys like it, and we hope you enjoy the finale! And if you don’t, well… there’s always Book 2, eh?

It almost like they knew...
>> No. 106259
There was such a lack of "hybrid" animals.

I <3 Naga and Pabu, but the whole place needed more animals. It was almost like nobody else in the whole Republic City had a pet, background characters never took their pets to take a walk or whatever. I really missed it because the whole city seemed so... barren.
>> No. 106260
>>106214
Holy crap, like this too.
>> No. 106261
>>106255
I think it's true when talking about Makorra. It feels like even the creators didn't really care and simply put it in the show as a "there, have your romance with the douchey hot firebender".
Can't really apply to the rest of the show, though. I feel like its heart strongly resides in Tenzin and his kids: something as simple as Jinora waiting up for her dad at the beginning of episode 10 made one of the most touching and genuine scenes in Avatar, imo.

>>106257
They were somehow underhyped. Even in other posts and interviews they just quietly praised composers, voice actors and animators.
>> No. 106262
>>106255

I dunno, don't agree with all of his points, but I do feel this show lacks in the heart department because of how rushed things are.

People will always say ATLA's Season 1 is the weakest, but I got hooked from the begining because I loved most characters right away, and that attachment grew with time.

And while I do like most of Korra's cast, can't say I got to care and attach to them the same way.
>> No. 106265
But enough with the pacing discussion, let's talk about the real, huge problem with TLOK.

the lack of Korra's bare feet

What happened?
>> No. 106266
>>106261
>>106262
Well yes, maybe I shouldn't have said heart. It's kinda misleading.

What I ment was a lack of strong underlaying themes.
ATLA was very Zen, despite all the action and comedy.
LoK is neither that nor does it fill the void with anything else.
And that makes it feel less personal. It has no statement, no wisdom to share, it just wants to entertain.

Sure, I love many of the characters. Lin and Tenzin's family are great in their own right. They're not the problem.

And there are emotionally captivating scenes, but they don't figure into something bigger.

Take Lin's sacrifice. It was revealed to be ultimately pointless. But it had no consequences either. So apart from that one sad moment in which she lost her bending, there was nothing for me there.
>> No. 106271
Say, was there an official source that said that Lauren Montgomery and other writers were coming on for Season 2? I forget.
>> No. 106272
>>106271

http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/17645307674/shots-from-the-writers-room-today-mike-tim

>Shots from the writers’ room today… Mike, Tim Hedrick, and Josh Hamilton pitching out a script from season two.
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>>106271
Montgomery was in season 1 too but joined when the animation was already done, so she did post production stuff like color correction or something. I don't know if she's directing next season but she's definitely storyboarding.
For the other writers (I can only remember Josh Hamilton and Tim Hendrick) and directors I think all we got are some posts from Bryan's tumblr, too lazy to check through the archive.
>> No. 106274
My opinion:
They wanted to tell the story in 26 episodes. Nickelodeon didn't want this story to wrap up in two seasons. Mike and Bryan were faced with a "well okay apparently this first season story is going to be relegated to a 'pitch' to the network... sheesh." dilemma.

Season 2 and 3 and maybe 4+ will have less squashing. Because they'll be allowed to go on.
>> No. 106275
>>106259
That's big city life for ya. The Gaang spent their entire time in the wild, so I guess them seeing more animals and more frequently makes sense. I guess you could make a point about the grimness of progressiveness and industrialization's damage to nature and blah blah.
>> No. 106277
Hopefully, we'll get more information at comic con.
>> No. 106280
So, how was Aang able to restore Korra's bending? It has been stated before that spirits cannot bend, and I assume that energybending would face a similar restriction.
>> No. 106282
>>106280

It's not that spirits can't bend (where do you think Waterbending came from?) it's that bending doesn't work in the spirit world. However, previous avatars can manifest in the physical world through the current avatar. See: The Winter Solstice, Avatar Day.
>> No. 106283
>>106280

Energybending is fundamentally different from the other bending arts.

My guess is that it doesn't share the same rules.
>> No. 106290
Just watched the ending, Amon being Tarrlok's brother kind of made up for episode 9 so I was pleasantly surprised by that twist. I wasn't TOO bothered by Korra getting her powers back but I agree that the show focuses too much on the element bending aspects of her Avatar-hood and not the spiritual side or her responsibilities beyond being able to use all four elements. Also I never like romance plotlines or give them much thought so all the Makorra stuff was stupid, especially because of the way Asami and Bolin got left in the dust, but it's in no way a dealbreaker for me. Overall the ending was good, but not great. It was satisfying enough and conclusive enough, but on the whole the season was too rushed so it was gimped from the start. Hopefully the staff increase will mean a more polished Season 2.
>> No. 106300
so why was there a prison cell in the tower on air temple island?
>> No. 106303
well it did look as if it was just thrown together.
>> No. 106307
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>>106280
>BITCH I'M DEAD I'LL BEND WHAT I WANT.
>> No. 106323
>>106252
>What it was, was pandering.
This is what I've been complaining about for a while now, yet seemed to get ignored. I may be completely alone in this, but I really wanted this series to stand out on its own more. To get as MINIMAL references and callbacks to the old one as possible. Yes, I was fine with OldKatara -- it was a nice touch, I thought, to illustrate just how big the timeskip was -- but then we get that piss-bubbling line from Jinora about Zuko's mother. What? What was that? Who was that for?! That was one step from breaking the fourth wall in my book.
And then everything after that is "OMG YOU'RE TOPH'S DAUGHTER - WHO TOTALLY HELPED AANG BY THE WAY!", hey look at this statue of WHO IS CLEARLY ZUKO shooting fire for six seconds every other episode. And close-up on Toph's statue! Hey look, that statue looks like Aang -- I REMEMBER HIM! And then of course the second half of the season relied almost entirely on hamfisted flashbacks of the old cast and even a plot revolving them.

So it falls down to two possible reasons: Complete mindless pandering to the audience, or having no faith in this new series and having to use the old one as a crutch.

It's really a somewhat minor complaint, and nowhere near as severe as some of the other ones that dragged down the season, but still something that I felt brought it down from the start.
>> No. 106324
>>106323
about the statues... why wouldn't there be memorials dedicated to the people who basically saved the world and created a new country?
>> No. 106325
>>106323

This is an absolutely idiotic complaint. Those characters are major movers and shakers in the Avatar world. Of course their legacies are going to be important.
>> No. 106332
>>106324
It's not that they have statues, it's that their mere memory is crammed down the audience's throat every possible second.I think I counted about four times we got a close up on that Zuko statue's face throughout the season as if the audience will automatically cream themselves every single time. Which they may have done for all I know. Do you walk around seeing statues of Winston Churchill, FDR and Stalin everywhere you go? Everything was "what would Aang do?", "What would my grandpa (who inexplicably has my same voice) do?"

I wanted this to be what they originally promised: a brand new story completely detached from the original while retaining the same myths and lore. Instead we got The Last Airbender 2: Timeskip Boogaloo.

Whatever; I did say it was a minor complaint.
>> No. 106336
>>106300
Aang thought it was a good idea. He was right

or Aunt Wu told Aang he needed one and
predicted something right for once.

>> No. 106338
>>106300
Sex dungeon.

...

...In an attic.
>> No. 106341
>>106332
>Do you walk around seeing statues of Winston Churchill, FDR and Stalin everywhere you go?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Winston_Churchill,_Parliament_Square
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_statues_of_Stalin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_named_for_Charles_de_Gaulle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dime_%28United_States_coin%29

And hey, Napoleon was the Hitler of the 19th Century, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monuments_and_memorials_to_Horatio_Nelson,_1st_Viscount_Nelson
>> No. 106342
I don't mind Aang/Toph/Zuko being referenced like they were mostly because Avatar Roku's legacy was about as heavy in TLA as it was before.

Especially when we consider that Zuko is Avatar Roku's heir. Really the only difference was that instead of getting Roku's importance/backstory in small bits over 3 seasons we had to basically be given it over a period of 13 episodes. Once again, practically all problems in this show come down to the fact it's just break-necked pace so we keep getting too much information at once. We never once got a chance to sit back, breath or examine any other characters in any depth.
>> No. 106344
>>106193

Yes but see, they still tackled an ultimately moral and philosophical issue. They still argued that bending was the root of all evils and (with the way we've mostly seen Benders behave in Avatar?) we find ourselves too easy to see some elements of truth in what he's saying.

The approach and the means they take still paint them as the bad-guys, but the fact they don't really delve into this and instead just go "Well shit fuck those Equalists lets stop them!" and treat them as just a group of bad-guys without some kind of philosophy or creed just seems to cheapen the whole thing.

It's like they have Amon present the characters with a truly ponderous issue, and rather than questioning it and possibly explaining what's wrong (even just an "Amon, look at what you're doing-" kind of rant) they instead opt to just fight the equalists and turn it into what felt like a Benders vs Non-Benders fight when it SHOULD HAVE BEEN well-meaning but flawed heroes vs a group of crazed Extremists praying on the fear and inherit mistrust of a community without a natural but powerful gift.

I feel like there was some kind of plot-arc in there that was missing from when Sato and Asami deal with the fact they're non-benders but still ultimately talented. Or possibly an exploration more into Tarrlock's regime or something.

Again: this was a 26 episode show crammed down to be 13 episodes and it shows.
>> No. 106346
>>106344
If you've got twelve episodes to work with, you make a story that fits into twelve episodes. It's tough, old adage of short stories being harder to write than long ones, and it's just something Bryke couldn't do very well.
>> No. 106347
>>106323

That's one of the most stupid complains I've seen about LOK in a while.
>> No. 106355
>>106347
Alright. Proceed with your dry circlejerking down nostalgia lane in hand with shitty callbacks and pandering clearly meant for people like you.
>> No. 106359
>>106355
why are you so fucking mad about references to the old cast? it's not like they had massive amounts of time dedicated to them or anything, except for korra's vision in episode 10 which was about yakone, not gaang fun time. all the statues are in the background and take up no time at all.

also, i don't know about yours, but my city has dozens of memorial statues--politicians and soldiers and founders and generally important or heroic people (and animals)--and i don't think it's out of line to think that republic city would have memorials of their own. especially someone like toph, who invented metalbending and the founded the metalbending police force.
>> No. 106361
>>106359

Basically this.

If suddenly say Tenzin or Lin overtook the plot, then yeah, that'd be an issue.

But they don't.

The focus of the story remains with Korra, and all the "pandering" is there to build and expand the setting OF A SEQUEL.

And before you say any shit, no Iroh II did not take over the plot, he was there to provide aid and allow Korra to deal with Amon directly.
>> No. 106362
>>106332
>it's that their mere memory is crammed down the audience's throat every possible second.
>I think I counted about four times we got a close up on that Zuko statue's face throughout the season
>four times
>every possible second.
>four times throughout the season

So 4 times, for a few seconds each, totaling what is probably less than 10 seconds of screen time, out 264 minutes=every possible second.

Gotcha.
>> No. 106365
Kyoshi died at the age of 230...
>> No. 106368
>>106274
Unfortunately that's not what happened, according to interviews Bryke basically got free reign to do whatever they wanted for a sequel series; if they had wanted to do 26 episodes, they could have. But for some reason they have fallen in love with short-form season formats, in fact they argued that it makes LOK more like an HBO or AMC series (even though those shows have hour-long episodes).
>> No. 106376
I AM FULL OF FEELS

SO MANY FEELS

Okay, deep breath. Whew.

The whole finale was pretty up and down and I'm brimming with mixed emotions. I liked it overall, but I also agree that some things felt too rushed or unresolved, or were resolved a little too well.

For starters, Makorra. I had a feeling it would be endgame, but I was rather upset that Mako and Asami didn't finally get together and have a proper discussion and breakup before he and Korra professed their love for each other. Those two better get their act together and make it up to poor Asami. This REALLY needs to be addressed in the next season. I'm also starting to like the idea of Asami hooking up with Iroh II, or possibly Bolin, though the latter feels too much like "pairing off the spares", unfortunately.

And another thing, for this book being named "Air", I feel like we really should have seen Korra do more Airbending training, from the spiritual side as well as the actual bending itself. There were hints of it, but not enough for my satisfaction. It was cool to finally see some at the end, but again, it was cut way too short.

The rift between benders and non-benders hasn't been fully addressed yet. Again, it's been hinted at here and there, but it's another thing that REALLY needs to be addressed in the next season and should have been done more this season.

I'm also agreeing with the people who said it would have been more dramatic if Korra had to deal with the loss of her bending (minus air) until the next season, but I guess they thought it would be too cruel of a cliffhanger for the younger audience? And certain bitchier fans?

And I may be in the minority by saying this, but I'm a bit disappointed that my theory of Bumi II being a calm, sane, logical man appears to have been blown out of the water. The whole naming kids after their relatives thing would bug me a lot less if they didn't appear to have almost carbon copy personality traits too. I'm not saying they're clones, but while having another General Iroh isn't so bad, having another crazy/wacky/mad-genius Bumi is a bit of a stretch, and if Kya has a Noble Sacrifice moment, I may feel the need to hurt someone.
>> No. 106378
>>106376
And now to reply to some other posts in this thread.

>>105889
>True, I was really expecting the moment he took his mask off that he had somehow talked Tarlok into giving Korra that story so she would accuse him and look even more like a fraud herself.

I was definitely thinking this and hoping the same thing. But in the end, I was okay with the story being true after all.

>And that he would totally turn out to be someone we knew but never saw coming. Like, I dunno, Saikhan.

No, that would have been be lame. I actually liked that he was a completely new character, instead of having a tweeeest ending where he was someone we've seen before.

>Also I was a bit disappointed that Amon wasn't really just a guy who wanted equality. But the scene on the boat made up for a lot of things, it was really gripping.

Agreed, but the theory about Amon being some sort of Bloodbender after he resisted Tarrlok's Bloodbending made me take into account that possibility, so it wasn't too much of a shock. And yes, the ship sinking boat exploding scene was quite moving. I was hoping Tarrlok would do something to stop Amon after he was released, but I wasn't quite expecting that.

>>106225
>>106227
Gonna have to second this. The series finale of ATLA got an extra episode to wrap things up, it would have been nice if the same could've been done here. I hate to admit it, but yeah, there definitely were some pacing issues.

>>106274
>Season 2 and 3 and maybe 4+ will have less squashing. Because they'll be allowed to go on.

Keeping my fingers crossed for this.
>> No. 106379
>>105889
>I was really expecting the moment he took his mask off that he had somehow talked Tarlok into giving Korra that story so she would accuse him and look even more like a fraud herself.
I was kinda expecting him to have burned his face himself to make it look like a Firebender did it.
>> No. 106383
>>105756
I think it should have ended on Korra being in her Avatar State. But I guess it was an ok two-parter final.
>> No. 106396
>>106368

There is basically no way that is the case. You can get free reign to do whatever you want storywise, but you will never get your network saying 'here, do as many episodes as you want!'
>> No. 106402
>>106376
>And another thing, for this book being named "Air", I feel like we really should have seen Korra do more Airbending training

I've always seen the naming of the books as having to do with more than just what element the Avatar gets to use/learn. It's also about the people they meet, the places they visit and even the season themes. Book 1 began and ended in water. It was very Water Tribes-oriented (though also the most varied from locations they visited). Book 2, visibly, was very rocky. Almost every place all the characters found themselves in were either some sort of desert or mountain or just ROCK. Ended in the the Earth capital. Book 3 obviously dealt with Fire Nation; they even wore their outfits for most of the time.

This one (Book 4 in my headcanon - shaddup) was very.. cloudy. A lot of things in Republic City had to do with air. Also the first time we see an actual group and family of Airbenders with their own monastery.

Eh. I'm looking too much into this. Can't wait to see what the hell they'll name the next season. Can't help but feel they've backed themselves up into a pretty tight corner there.
>> No. 106403
>>106275
>>I guess you could make a point about the grimness of progressiveness and industrialization's damage to nature and blah blah.

Yes, I know that's what they wanted to show with Republic City. But it's still saddening.
>> No. 106405
>>106396
Well, I'm sure that they couldn't have gotten as many episodes as they wanted if they wanted 60 episodes per season or something, but they have made it clear that if they had requested a 20-30 episode season they would have got it.
>> No. 106406
We actually got to see a lot of airbending training (in episodes 2, 3, 4, and the issue was further addressed in episode 8) even if the only tangible progress Korra made was learning the forms.

Compare that to book two - earth: the only episode where we saw Aang's earthbending training was "bitter work".
>> No. 106413
>>105756

Just noticed this post.

Katara defeating Azula was fine.

Zuko taking the bullet for a friend over him finally winning over Azula was a more powerful and meaningful message. He wins and becomes superior by being a better person and potential Fire Lord, not being more powerful.

And it makes sense for Katara to get a shot at fighting and defeating Azula, considering that:

1) Azula killed Aang
2) Their conflict/rivalry that had been building up through season 2 and solidified with Crossroads of Destiny needed to be resolved unresolved.

A dragon fighting a lancer. It's classic.

And finally, Zuko did not lost, he throughly trashed Azula in that fight.
>> No. 106439
>>106413
>A dragon fighting a lancer. It's classic.

Yeah, I don't know how many times I've pointed this out. No matter how much fangirls love Zuko and want him to take down Azula, the laws of story pretty much guaranteed it was going to be Katara the second we found out Ozai was going to make it to the finale alive and still Big Bad. It's always the Lancer's job to take out the Dragon, and everyone else's job to get the hero and the lancer in position to take out their respective targets.
>> No. 106443
>>106439
Okay, I know TvTropes is a really cool website, but they're not rules or even something you should study. Tropes is not law for any sort of story, just common occurences, that's it, please stop talking as if it were. Everything about TvTropes reeks of armchair experts.
>> No. 106444
>>106443

That's why all tropes have subversions.

But honestly, after Azula killed Aang, nobody but Katara derserved to take her down.
>> No. 106445
>>106443
Look, fuck TV Tropes and whatever politics you might feel toward it. I'm using those terms because it's language that is convenient to what we're discussing and, as you've demonstrated, you know what those terms mean. It actually is a rule of good storytelling that what-TV-Tropes-calls-the-Lancer needs to fight what-TV-Tropes-calls-the-Dragon, because that's how character focus works. Katara got the second most character focus of any character, and that means that she needs emotional payoff in the finale more than any character other than Aang. She has to have the second biggest payoff to her story arc because she has the second biggest story arc. That's what I meant by "rules of story." To not have Katara get the second biggest payoff in the climax would be to invalidate all the time they had spent building up her character throughout the series. Basically, it wastes the audience's time.

If Zuko needed to be the one to beat Azula, the he needed to be the one who got the second largest amount of time--or else there needed to be a villain that got more time than Azula but was not as big a deal as Ozai.

Incidentally, honestly I'd mark Azula as a better Big Bad than Ozai altogether, because of how much time and character focus she got, and considered the fact that Ozai ended up being the Big Bad to be my biggest disappointment about the finale. But that's a separate issue entirely.
>> No. 106461
Wait a minute.

Weren't we supposed to see the advanced form of airbending?
>> No. 106462
>>106461
Taste my fury!
>> No. 106465
>>106445
UM. Zuko DID get the second most amount of time.

Did we even watch the same show??
>> No. 106473
>>106465
No he didn't. He got a fair bit, and you could probably fairly say that he got more than Sokka or Toph, but it amounted to a lot less than all the focus Katara got (partially because a lot of Aang-focus scenes doubled as Katara-focus scenes because of how intertwined their character arcs were), and most of that time was as a villain rather than as any sort of hero, and the payoff for that kind of story arc is in the redemption of the character rather than the beating of the villains.. He got a lot less character focus in Season Two (when he became an Antihero), and it wasn't until he unambiguously started on his path to become a regular hero that he started getting much character focus in Season Three.
>> No. 106474
>>106473
Okay if you think Katara got more character focus than Zuko than you should probably stop posting now and just go watch the series again.
>> No. 106492
Had to find a torrent. The feed up on Nick.com cuts off at Amon taking Korra's bending a way. Flipped my shit until someone mentioned Lin was in the episode, so I looked it up and was all "OH THERE'S ANOTHER 15 MINUTES"

I thought it was pretty good. Worst part was the Mako/Korra thing... I don't even ship, but Mako is a jerk and the avatar deserves someone better. Someone like General Iroh, who punches torpedoes in the face.

Was glad and surprised she didn't Avatar State right at Amon, but did feel like we could've used another episode cause of pacing.

Also, airbenders. Can't Tenzin's siblings birth airbending children? They're descended from Aang as well, so they carry airblending...blood. Mako and Bolin are brothers and they have different bending powers, and Tenzin, and Kya are siblings and they've got different powers. So couldn't the bloodline produce more benders? That can't be the end with just Tenzin's line.
>> No. 106494
>>106492

I suspect the mechanics of bending heritability are not well understood, even in-universe.
>> No. 106499
>>106494
Yeah, I think this is only about the second generation where children of mixed nationality have been common.
>> No. 106503
>>106492
They could but since Lin called Tenzin's family the last of the airbenders I'm assuming they haven't. Maybe one of their kid's kids could be an airbender.
>> No. 106512
>>106474

You are free to dislike Katara's development in the series, but the fact remains that she got more screentime and character focus than Zuko, was the second most prominent good guy barring Aang for the longest time and the most developed female in the cast.
>> No. 106515
Well I guess I'll read through everyone else's opinions and become jaded about it later, but for now
guys
the finale gave me feels :(
>> No. 106525
>>106515

I know that feel bro. I know that feel.
>> No. 106526
>>106492
as the son of a de-bended person, Amon himself is proof that his plan was flawed. if he took away all the bending in the world, it would just come back the next generation.
>> No. 106535
>>106515
I have to admit I was tearbending a little near the end when Korra was all depressed. I'm still full of feels too.
>> No. 106539
>>106526
Amon did not have to de-bend everyone.
No, the Equalist plan was to impose and enforce a prohibition of bending. Only bender who oppose the bending prohibition, would be de-bended.
>> No. 106560
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>> No. 106562
>>106560
Ha, awesome.
>> No. 106565
>>106539
Um, how many benders would _support_ the Bending Prohibition? Recall that bit with Haru in A:tLA season 1? Or the whole Waterbender Healer bit? Are they to be hauled in on suspicion?
>> No. 106572
>>106560
Perfect
>> No. 106578
>>106560
Oh man, I forgot about this nonsense. How DID he catch them?

Means Lin's sacrifice was literally for nothing.
>> No. 106583
>>106578
airplanes
>> No. 106584
>>106578
Am I the only one who realises that the reveal of the captured Air Family was to up the stakes in the show? Because that's precisely what it was and there's nothing wrong with that.
I'm really sick of people bitching about the writing. This show was carefully planned and well executed, why some people can't see that is beyond me.
NO, I don't want to argue the point.
>> No. 106586
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106586
Remember how Azula and company managed to constantly catch up with Appa, even though he could fly and Azula only had some lizards to ride on?

I'm assuming the Equalists simply sent out another airship or Satomobiles. Oogi eventually gets tied, and the Equalists catch up with them. An airbison probably sticks out like a sore thumb.
>> No. 106588
>>106584

Sorry, but something being carefully planned and executed doesn't mean it's going to be great.

They shouldn't have just exposition-dumped Amon's backstory, for one. The main one for me, I think.

And just having the airbending family captured right out of the blue after such heroism to have them escape...well it wasn't a plot hole of course, but it still left something to be desired.

And then the last few minutes of it all was just...yes a happy resolution, but completely un-fought for.

None of it is bad per se, the backstory was nice and the airbenders brought OH NOES and the ending brought YAAY, but these were all points where a lot of people could clearly see it could have been executed better, or done in a different way.
>> No. 106589
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Compare the girl on the far right
>> No. 106590
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>>106589
>> No. 106591
If they were going to completely blue-ball us on the final confrontation between Amon and Korra they could've done it better than making him into a Scooby Doo villain who scampers off to fight another day.
>> No. 106592
>>106589
>>106590

The plot thickens like syrup.
>> No. 106593
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106593
>>106589
>>106590
Look at that floozie!
>> No. 106594
>>106589
Wheres this from?
>> No. 106595
>>106594

It'll be from season 1 of AtLA.
>> No. 106596
>>106594
Katara's healing class in the NWT.
>> No. 106598
>>106590
>>106589
Between this and Korra being a Joo Dee these guys are lazy as fuck.
>> No. 106599
>>106598
What?
>> No. 106600
>>106598
Korra being a Joo-Dee? What?
>> No. 106601
>>106600
>>106599

I'm guessing he means there's a Joo Dee that looks like her.
>> No. 106602
>>106601

If you gonna be making crazy claims like this, you need to back them with PICTURES!
>> No. 106603
>>106598
They've created literally hundreds of unique looking characters, including crowds of detailed individuals that generally get scanned over in moments, and they're "lazy as fuck" becaue you can find find two instances where different characters look similar.
>> No. 106604
>>106584
Why not toss down a giant fire-breathing Godzilla squid monster in the middle of Republic City during the final fight? It makes no fucking sense, BUT BOY DOES IT MAKE IT MORE EXCITING!

I have no problem with Tenzin and his family being captured, but ONE line of him explaining how it happened might have been nice.
>> No. 106607
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>>106602
Second from the left, second row
>> No. 106608
>>106607

MY LIFE NO LONGER HAS ANY MEANING!!
>> No. 106613
>>106607
By your directions, thats the Joo Dee in the middle whos face is being covevered by the one in the front. Even looking at the others I don't see anything. This complaint is really piss-poor.
>> No. 106615
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106615
>> No. 106617
>>106615
she doesn't have a ponytail, she has a bun and loose-falling hair in front like the other joo dees

even by similarity of hairstyle her face is off-model for korra? and her skin is lighter than korra's? if you are going by hairstyle alone by that logic young amon is also korra lmao
>> No. 106623
>>106615
Eyes and nose are completely different, bro. Only similarity is hair, and they all have the same hair.
>> No. 106647
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>> No. 106648
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>>106647
I don't even know where to begin.
>> No. 106657
>>106648
Shotarrlok and Shotamon were so cute ;_;
>> No. 106685
>>106657
I don't get it.
>> No. 106691
>>106685
Shota - Young boy

Young Tarrlok and Young Noatok were cute... :\
>> No. 106697
>>106647
I laughed and then I felt bad.
>> No. 106716
Watching this again with some friends that hadn't seen it and I noticed that, while subtle, Mako and Asami do have a breakup moment. When they're leaving to go on their respective missions, Mako says something like, "I'm sorry things between us got so messed up..." (there's a bit more, but I don't remember word for word), then the two exchange this somber glance, Asami kisses him lightly on the cheek, they share another glance, turn and walk away from each other.

Not the most obvious, but it did happen.
>> No. 106718
>>106716
If Mike and Brian came out and said that was their break up moment, I would accept it, but on its own I just don't think that it was enough.
>> No. 106719
>>106716

I thought it obviously was.

And honestly was a lot more comfortable of one than many a break-up that I've seen.
>> No. 106720
>>106718
Yeah. All they had to do was have Asami say "but you don't love me, do you?" or something similar after Mako said he cared about her.

When I was watching the episode live, I didn't realise it was supposed to be a break-up scene. I only figured so after the episode had ended and it turned out they never discussed their relationship problems again after that scene.
>> No. 106732
>>106716

It never escaped my mind.

I just thought it was the most understated, non-commited break up in the history of break ups on Mako's part.

And in no way does it make up for so many episodes of him stringng Asami along.
>> No. 106745
I remember during the police chase scene in episode one, there was some fun jazz music. Was the jazz stuff anywhere else in the series? I admit I have a poor ear for picking these things up.
>> No. 106776
>>106745
They played a lot of old timey music towards the beginning of the season, but it was pretty much dropped by the pro bending finals.

Shame. It added a ton of atmosphere to the show.
>> No. 106795
Bolin's awe face at seeing Lin bend like a boss made my day
>> No. 106810
I would say Korra is less about a revolution and more an entire city getting in between the crossfire of two men who try hard as they might could not escape from their "legacy". But it would be too spoilerish if I got into detail
>> No. 106817
Ok I finally sat down and finished this series.

So what is Korra's legend here? It was more like a "Kyoshi indirectly murdered an asshole who tripped over a shaky cliff," story, but that's more like a single tale or whatever.

It's basically:
- i'm the avatar deal with it. better go learn how to blow gaskets soon.
- won a couple rounds of pro bending, lost a tourney tho.
- shit's going on around me!
- class struggles I might have to do something here maybe sometime.
- sup Mako you're kinda hot and taken and I love you laters
- grown ups are talking now
- asahsi;hgshiiiit bendings are gone
- whooosh air whooooosh
- oh wait no it's back now.

Don't get me wrong, it was overall enjoyable and fun to watch, but it's missing a lot of why I'm supposed to care about Korra (or any of the teens) or her journey from... How exactly was this a journey of sorts.
>> No. 106819
>>106817
It's not really a legend, I guess.
At the end of the day she was mostly a bitplayer or even a spectator as the events unfolded. And when she got proactive it mostly felt like the Spiritworld was throwing her a bone.

I guess the "Occurrence involving Korra" just didn't have the same ring to it.
>> No. 107358
>>106648

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
>> No. 107360
>>106817

Well, it's the START of her Legend, and she was still an important player in the conflict.

Though yeah... If this was a single narrative as it was originally concieved.... Not that great.
>> No. 107422
Happened upon this tidbit about the Finale:

http://chineseinavatar.tumblr.com/post/26545804651/legend-of-korra-skeletons-in-the-closet

>阿蒙的時代開始了 āméngdeshídàikāishǐle = “The Era of Amon has begun” or “Amon’s Era has begun”

>I find it particularly interesting how much of a figurehead Amon turned out to be; it was never “The Era of Equality has begun” or “Equality is the Answer” but “The Era of Amon has begun” and “Amon is the answer.”
>> No. 107461
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107461
Bad comparisons aside, I felt Bolin and Asami were more interesting during their first episodes than in their last
>> No. 107462
>>107461
What a forced and dishonest pic.
>> No. 107486
>>107461
I actually never realized this, but that picture is pretty spot on. Except for Asami, who - daddy issues aside - kinda stayed flat throughout.

Though it's hardly fair to compare them when one developed over three seasons with 20 episodes and the other only has 12 episodes so far.
>> No. 107487
>>107486
Uh, it's not spot on at all.

Mako was a jerk throughout, his nice moments consisting of him not being so much of a jerk.

Bolin was never really popular with the ladies in the show proper, it was just the early information that misled people.

Korra was never developed. Literally never grew as a character.

Asami was as much part of the team as Bolin was which is to say not at all considering how they're pretty much ignored.
>> No. 107488
>>107487
'kay
>> No. 107494
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>>107487
>Korra was never developed. Literally never grew as a character.

You don't fuck with perfection.
>> No. 107516
It's like I've ended up on /co/.
>> No. 107631
>>107487
>Korra was never developed. Literally never grew as a character.

She fell in love (for better or worse), found out what it's like to be really really afraid, and overcame that fear.

Beyond that she didn't change much, but I'd only see that as a problem if she had been in situations where you would expect her to change and she failed to. That didn't really happen. On the contrary, I'd say that if she changed a great deal THAT wouldn't make sense. She's a total fish out of water, a young woman that grew up in a very different society from the one she's in now. Where she comes from if you want to eat, you go hunting/fishing/foraging. So she shows up and she's a damn good hunter-gatherer and fighter, and that's pretty much her entire skillset. It's all she ever really needed up until then. She's utterly out of her element in Republic City, and while she manages to figure that out, there's seriously going to be a limit to how well she can handle the new problems she faces. Initially she thinks she can solve all problems by either beating someone up or going "well I happen to be the Avatar"... and she DOES learn pretty quickly that in Republic City that shit's not always going to fly. Trouble is, while she learns that "apply fists" isn't always a solution, the girl just doesn't have the skillset needed for other solutions. Even when she tries to be more cunning, it's kinda shit-tier cunning and she's no good at thinking on her feet if things go wrong (see: telling the crowd the truth about Amon, not securing a way out, having no idea what to do when he reveals his "scars").

Basically she's Crocodile Dundee, and while ol' Mick has his uses at solving some problems in New York, you wouldn't put him on a committee in charge of getting rid of racism, so it's a bit ridiculous for people to say "Why hasn't she learned to be better at talking to the Equalists?"

Because the girl just hasn't a clue what to say, that's why. Put her in a room with them airing their grievances and she's likely to go "uh... uh... who wants to go ice fishing?!?" with a manic panicky grin on her face.
>> No. 107642
>>107631
Also, there's only so much you can do to change or develop a character in 13 episodes. This is not a bad thing, by the way. One of the things I really liked about Korra's arc was how she comes out of the gate fists literally blazing and bold as brass. But when she's confronted with someone who can take away the thing she cherishes most in her life (bending), she's terrified. It's also apparent that's she's not entirely certain she can live up to everyone's expectations. Let's face it, Aang is a tough act to follow.
She's a person with thoughts and feelings, hopes and fears. Bryan and Michael nailed that, why people can't see that is beyond me.
>> No. 107648
>>107642
that's all find and dandy if anything came of it. Korra still won through force. She didn't even think about weather the plight of the Equalist was real or not. The only thing she can think of is "my superpowers are going to be taken away!" *shudders*.
>> No. 107649
>>107648
There's a lot more to it than that, and you know it. This should be obvious, but you're not going to find much opposition if you strawman everything.
>> No. 107651
>>107648
>that's all find and dandy if anything came of it.

The two brothers most responsible for the problem are gone.

>Korra still won through force.

No she didn't. Force failed utterly. Airbending let her get one good blow in when he thought she was already finished off. There's no way she could have taken him on in a real fight when all she had to fight with was one type of bending she had no practice with, but she didn't need to, she just needed to get him to bend on front of his followers. Her victory wasn't about her being stronger, it was about him walking a tightrope. Just bending once on front of her followers was all it took to ruin him.

>She didn't even think about weather the plight of the Equalist was real or not

Yup. Because she's the hick in the big city. Where she comes from this isn't even an issue. She gets pissed at Tarrlock when he starts oppressing nonbenders, and that's about the most someone with her background could be expected to do. She doesn't understand how almost ANYTHING in the city works.
>> No. 107652
>>107648
>The only thing she can think of is "my superpowers are going to be taken away!" *shudders*
At that moment she had no reason to believe that she still had her powers. The point is, she still tried to defend someone she loved anyway.
>> No. 107655
>>107648
She didn't win through force, she exposed Amon. If he'd kept on fighting, he'd have kicked her ass. But the fight didn't continue because Amon had gone and disqualified himself.

As for her not giving a great deal of thought to the Equalists... Korra is not one for giving a great deal of thought to anything. Bless her soul, the girl's just not the brightest of Avatars. If she sees clear oppression happening right on front of her she'll make a stand for what's right, but if you start talking to her about the socioeconomic difficulties in a society with benders and nonbenders, it'll all whoosh over her head.
>> No. 107664
>Also, there's only so much you can do to change or develop a character in 13 episodes.
Okay, this is just so wrong. It's literally wrong on every level. You can get character growth in a two-hour long movie. And you most definitely can get significant character growth in a 12-episode long series.

It is the job of the writers to work within the constraints of their medium to create a compelling story, characters and character arc. Saying that 4 hours of screentime isn't enough is simply ridiculous. Other people have done it well or excellently with less, there is no excuse for Bryke other than their own failings as writers.

And to address the point of
>Korra didn't win through force
Force may not be the best word. Force was almost guaranteed to be involved no matter what. Aang the pacifist had to use force on some level.

The problem is that Korra never actually changed her "charge head-on" approach ever. She was always attacking and never thinking and in the end she was rewarded for this reckless aggressive style by suddenly obtaining airbending which is almost the antithesis of such a mindset.
>> No. 107666
>>107664
Is that really any different from Aang never having to stop being a pacifist? I'm not sure why everyone walked in expecting Korra's core personality to change when the protagonists of Avatar have never been the most dynamic of the cast. In the original series, that title belonged to Zuko; for ATLOK, it's Tarrlok (who basically has his whole mind broken and shat on, the poor bastard).
>> No. 107667
>>107664
>The problem is that Korra never actually changed her "charge head-on" approach ever.

And Aang never changed his pacifistic approach.
>> No. 107668
>>107667
I thought the contrast was clear. In season one we see Aang run away and get frozen, in the finale we see him standing in Ozai's path to protect stuff. Or are you talking about the energybending?
>> No. 107669
>>107667
Aang changed his "running away and avoiding problems" approach.

That said, I also think that the S3 finale could've been handled better, but that's a whole other matter.
>> No. 107672
>>107667
Well, the difference there is between tactics and values.
As others have pointed out, Aang learned to be an effective pacifist - to prevent violence instead of just avoiding it himself - but his desire for a peaceful world never changed.
Come to think of it, I can't really think of much that I would call Korra's belief system. Except she, uh - doesn't like gangsters, I guess? And values her friends and family?
>> No. 107675
>>107664
>The problem is that Korra never actually changed her "charge head-on" approach ever.

Yes, she did. She slowed down. She tried subterfuge. She went "let's sneak into the stadium and expose Amon!"

It didn't work, but she tried. For Korra, it was practically a cunning plan.

You don't seem to be getting that Korra is just... well, when it comes to things in Republic City she really is a dumb hick. A fish out of water. Country Mouse in the City, girl raised by wolves hanging out in the royal court, Tarzan running for Senate.

I'm sure if they all went up North she'd wow the rest of her cast with her hunting skills, and there would be moments where she'd be able to go "wtf, don't you cityfolk know not to _insert_something_cityfolk_wouldn't_know_not_to_do_here_? You're lucky you weren't all killed!"

But when it comes to operating in Republic City, she's pretty much a wildwoman. She just isn't built to do the things you want her to. Again, you're basically asking Crocodile Dundee to handle complex social problems, then acting surprised when the best he can come up with is "punch someone in the face and hope it makes things better". She did figure out fairly early on that her way of doing things doesn't always work, but that doesn't instantly turn her into someone that's good at doing things other ways.
>> No. 107677
>>107675
Seeing as Korra was kept cooped up in a compound most of her days I'm not even sure she'd be all that great at hunting
>> No. 107678
>>107677
Eh, I don't think they kept her constantly under lock and key, they just liked to make sure people didn't wander off alone for no reason.

The girl's the only person to ever catch and tame a polar bear-dog, an animal the Northern Water Tribe has feared and hunted for ages. Decent at fishing too, from what we saw.
>> No. 107679
>>107675
>Tarzan running for Senate.

Oh god. This is an awesome idea. Tarzan running for office, being dismissed as a shaved gorilla, and lapping everyone with his ridiculous Lord Greystoke brain.
>> No. 107681
>>107675
>Yes, she did. She slowed down. She tried subterfuge. She went "let's sneak into the stadium and expose Amon!"

I'm sorry, but if you think unmasking in the middle of an Equalist rally of thousands and yelling "Amon's a waterbender!" when you have no proof is anything but a stupidly straight-forward plan, well... there's not much point in discussing anything with you at all.
>> No. 107685
>>107681
For her? It's downright STRATEGY. Just a few episodes earlier her cunning plan was grabbing a radio microphone and going "HEY! AMON! FIGHT ME!" Trying to expose him on front of a crowd was a big improvement for her. Lousy plan by most people's standards, but still a step up for Korra, considering that when Mako went "okay we need to stealthily see what Triple Triad are up to" she literally kicked in their front door.

You really seem to think the show is bad because a character didn't spontaneously become smart.

You don't become good at making clever plans just because you found yourself desperately needing one a few times in the past few weeks. That's not how it works.
>> No. 107688
>>107685
The series is bad because apparently the White Lotus who are apparently the greatest fucking idiots of all time now raised her to be a complete moron who can't fucking do ANYTHING but hit shit with her fists.
>> No. 107689
>>107685
Seriously. There's "smart" and "smart for Korra". They're not the same thing, and her Amon plan was smart for Korra.

>>107688
They tried EVERYTHING to get her to study more! They tried scowling, and looking cranky, and... scowling some more! But some shit is hard to teach. You just have to get life experience, and she never had a chance. She's got a good excuse for being clueless at a lot of things.

Mako, on the other hand, is inexcusably thickheaded. The guy supposedly grew up on the mean streets and ran with the mob. He should have been able to come up with a better plan than Korra's really bad plan.
>> No. 107694
>>107689
It's very clear that she never even had any basic instruction in combat tactics or she wouldn't sashay into a room full of fifty guys who demonstrably kick her ass in a second without any plans or means of escape.
>> No. 107704
>>107694
. . . Hm.
You know, there's a point.
>> No. 107710
>>107694
>It's very clear that she never even had any basic instruction in combat tactics

First off, there's a difference between being taught "combat tactics" out of a book, and actually getting good at using them in real life.

Second off, I'm not sure how you could even teach the kind of "combat tactics" you're talking about. I'm sure there's plenty of texts teaching combat maneuvers in the sense of "Here's a pincher, here's outflanking your enemy, make sure to have the high ground, here's some rules about laying siege to a city..."

I doubt even Wan Shi Tong's Library's has a book that advises what to do when you're the Avatar and you need to expose a bloodbending master as a bender on front of his followers, an auditorium full of chi blockers that hate benders, and your "army"consists of a lone firebender. There's really no way to train someone for that kind of shit. They just have to be damn smart and experienced at thinking up plans for ludicrous scenarios.
>> No. 107713
Just dropping in with a reminder

The Legend of Korra - Making o…youtube thumb

The reairing of Book 1 with Brychael commentary starts on Nicktoons tomorrow night at 9PM! Set your DVRs accordingly.
>> No. 107716
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107716
The book you're looking for is Gui Wang's "What To Do When You're The Avatar And You Need To Expose a Bloodbending Master As A Bender On Front Of His Followers, An Auditorium Full Of Chi Blockers That Hate Benders, And Your 'Army' Consists Of A Lone Firebender".

I have a strict policy against loaning books to humans now, but I suppose there's no harm in summing up the book's contents for you.

In essence it says you're fucked and should hope for a miracle.
>> No. 107717
>>107710
Azula's Art of War
>> No. 107723
>>107717
Actually, that "book" is a trap that explodes when you open it. Azula doesn't want any rivals.
>> No. 107724
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>>107716
With more than 500 pages it completely covers all the details as to how much you're fucked, but it really is a very good read.
>> No. 107729
Korra's a meathead. She's a jock. She's a very likable jock, but I don't think it's realistic to expect her to ever be that good at using her head. Maybe with years of experiences and some good teachers she'll get better, but I doubt she'll ever be very good. It's simply not where her aptitude lies. And that's fine, not everyone is cut out to be Ideas Girl. She does her best, and has strengths in other areas.

>>107689
Mako's lack of street smarts is unforgivable. MAKO! Y U SO STUPD?
>> No. 107734
You don't have to be smart to be capable of more than one approach to problems. It's a matter of having an open mind and imagination.

That said the level of stupidity of Korra's plan of "let's go into a stadium filled with enemies!" and the fact that only six of what should have been a thousand equalists even thought of attacking Korra is writer-induced stupidity on literally everyone. Korra would have to actually be brain-damaged if she thought that "plan" would work. I mean that seriously and I will emphasize that the only way Korra - or Mako, or anyone - could have thought plan would work is because of a total lobotomy.

As much as Korra isn't a genius, I don't think she's completely retarded.
>> No. 107748
>>107734
I think you're being ridiculous and holding the characters to unreasonable expectations. Korra isn't particularly clever, and she was in one hell of a bad situation, stressed, exhausted, with a clock ticking. Her plan was shit, but there were no glaringly obvious better plans available.

>only six of what should have been a thousand equalists even thought of attacking Korra

There's a core group of "Equalists" that can actually fight damn well. The vast majority are just going along, and it's hardly surprising that they looked at one another and went "the guys up there have things under control, no need for me to endanger myself." They're mostly people that were dissatisfied but not THAT bad off (remember that the actual homeless population didn't give a fuck), most of them have no great drive to risk their necks fighting the Avatar.
>> No. 107749
The only way to really beat Amon was to cut off his power base by exposing the truth about his powers on front of a LOT of his followers. Unfortunately a requirement of that is being near a LOT of his followers. There's not really a way around that. Honestly I'm hard pressed to think up something better than what she came up with.
>> No. 107752
>>107749
Without Sato and Amon they're no threat at all and both of them have to sleep some time. They had managed to infiltrate and maintain anonymity long enough to get into position to confront him; why couldn't they just kill him in his sleep?
>> No. 107753
>>107752
Congratulations.

You just made Korra look like a fucking genius.
>> No. 107754
>>107752
>Martyr him in his sleep

Wow. You managed to ensure a long and bloody war through the most honorless way possible.


You're really bad at this whole "Avatar" thing.
>> No. 107755
>>107752
Alternatively you could just capture them. This should be easy since Korra can just dress as an Equalist and sneak around their base.
>> No. 107756
>>107753
>>107754
Kyoshi would've endorsed it
>> No. 107757
>>107754
Also who cares if more equalists die? The United Republic and the world do not need people who agreed with their mindset or their tactics. They're fascistic terrorists.
>> No. 107758
>>107755
Kidnap the guy that can bloodbend with his mind?

GOOOOD PLAN.

Korra is looking smarter and smarter.

>>107756
Please. Kyoshi would have cut Republic City off from the rest of the world by making it an island.

And maybe she would suggest creating a Men In Black-like organization to protect Republic City's cultural treasures and, y'know, take it over and rule from the shadows.

Chin refused to move when she sliced a deep hole in the ground, and then he fell in because he was too fucking stubborn. Somehow people have turned this into "Kyoshi was the Punisher of Avatars!"
>> No. 107760
>>107757
>A war? Sounds like a great idea! Obviously everyone on one side would be pure evil and not just misguided and afraid, and nobody on the other side would die!

Korra's plan just keeps sounding better. Keep talking, guys.
>> No. 107761
>>107760
At least that would've been more interesting for the viewers than a literal Scooby Doo denouement.
>> No. 107762
>>107761
>Korra should TOTALLY have turned Amon into a martyr in the most dishonorable way possible, and caused a gigantic war, because it would have been interesting! Completely moronic and out of character, but interesting!

May you live in interesting times.
>> No. 107763
>>107716
>>107724
Read it in their voices.

Loled.
>> No. 107764
>>107760
And then Korra wins the hearts and minds of all the non-benders by alternatively flooding, earthquaking and burning down their houses.
>> No. 107767
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107767
Her plan won't go down as one of the best plans any Avatar has ever had, but

1. It really was a step up for her. Her original plan was to challenge Amon to a duel and then THROW A ROCK AT 'IM! A big rock...

2. I don't agree that her plan was even THAT bad. Bad, but not pants on head retarded. The best way to defeat Amon would be to discredit him on front of all his followers. She found out when he was going to be on front of all his followers, and she knew he could be discredited. All she had to do was prove that he'd been lying about his past. If he had no scars people would know, if he tried to run without taking off his mask people would know. What she didn't count on was him wearing a disguise UNDER his disguise. Who does that? Aside from Batman, I mean.

This means the Lieutenant is Robin and Mako is Baby Doll I suppose. I'm okay with that.
>> No. 107768
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107768
>>107764
I AM EXCITED ABOUT THIS PLAN! We'll be done in a month!
>> No. 107769
>>107767
I still don't get why he wears a mask. The "firebenders killed mah family and melted mah face" thing doesn't seem that important given that he's not looking for sympathy but strictly anti-bender sentiment; people who already have a bad viewpoint toward benders would join him even without a mask as long as he didn't reveal he was a waterbender; people who don't have a bad viewpoint toward benders wouldn't be so easily swayed by a story that isn't backed up by him showing his scars. It's just another in the pile of hackneyed nonsensicalities. Tarrlok wouldn't know what he looked like even if he saw him and neither would anyone else
>> No. 107770
>>107769
Regardless of the years that passed, Tarrlok would still recognize his brother.
>> No. 107771
>>107770
Siblings separated by that much time don't always recognize each other. Naotak hadn't even begun developing his adult face. It just seems like another stupid "revelation" that was supposed to make the audience look dumb for having guessed wrong about everything from his inconsistent eye color to his hands.
>> No. 107772
>>107771
>Siblings separated by that much time don't always recognize each other.

Okay? Would you gamble on "maybe he won't recognize me"?

And keep in mind that when the movement was starting, he was probably not hiding in heavily fortified underground bunkers. Being able to just take off a mask and blend in with the crowds was a good idea.

It also makes it a lot easier for the guys making the posters if they can just draw a stylized mask for your face!
>> No. 107773
>>107772
At this point I'm left with nothing but my immense displeasure at how stupid "Zuko and Azula but waterbenders" was as a concept for Korra's opponents.
>> No. 107774
>>107773
At this point I'm left with nothing but my immense displeasure at how stupid you're being.
>> No. 107776
>>107769
>I still don't get why he wears a mask.

Prrrrobably because he was a criminal?
>> No. 107778
>>107773
Zuko wasn't a fascist with delusions of grandeur. And Amon doesn't share any parallel with Azula outside of being a prodigy. They don't even have the same issues.
>> No. 107783
>>107774
Wat. How are they being stupid?

Anyways. He wore a mask for a few reasons. The main one was obviously to hide his true identity in case anyone (Tarlokk) recognized him.

The other huge reason is that wearing a mask made him become a stand-in for all non-benders and their fear/displeasure with benders. By wearing a mask he was able to coerce his followers to project their own experiences onto him. The "face" of the revolution essentially became the face of every non-bender that was part of said revolution. This not only strengthened his power among his people, but had the added bonus of protecting his identity as he wanted
>> No. 107788
>>107769
A man is just a man. But a mask is an IDEA. A symbol. A battle standard to rally around and power the revolution to victory!

Also, it's a whole lot easier to lead an a violent terrorist group when all you really need to do to get away from a raid is take off a mask. If your followers don't know what your face looks like, how will the cops?
>> No. 107789
>>107783

By oversimplifying Tarrlok and Noatak/Amon for the purposes of dissing LoK.

(though more on topic, I think Amon needed the mask specifically for the reason stated: he needed a symbol, something more powerful than just a man with conviction.)
>> No. 107800
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107800
>>107788
>> No. 107801
>>107788
Amon commiting public suicide would have been such an awesome ending.

"Today, you have proven to yourselves that YOU, the weak, the down-trotten, wield more power then you have ever dared to imagine. without a single earthbender you shook the foundations of Republic City! without a single waterbender you have turned the tides on your oppressors! without a single firebender you have burned your mark onto history!

but most importantly, you have proven that you no longer need a leader, and so I will free you of my burden."
>> No. 107825
I missed the creator commentary of episode 1, does anyone have any download links for it?
>> No. 107926
http://charlestheirishman.tumblr.com/post/26871280090/my-review-of-legend-of-korra-click-image-to

Typewriters: my worst enemy. I can never align the paper right, so my sentences would always look slanted, which bugged the hell out of me, because I just have to have everything neat and tidy.
>> No. 109215
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109215
Does anyone have the full version of the poster used at the final rally? I would really appreciate it.
>> No. 109341
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109341
I whipped this up when I had some time to kill.
>> No. 109442
>>109341
What is this from?
>> No. 109509
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109509
>>109341
Oh my. Sweet wikipedia page mock-up.
What is your madness behind the date system?
>> No. 109517
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109517
>>109442

It's just a Wikipedia mock-up. You find an article, edit it and then "preview" the changes rather than post them. You take a screencap of the resulting Wiki page, then cancel the edit. They're a fairly popular game on the Alternate History Dot Com forum, which is where I learned how to make them.

>>109509
The dating system is just something I made up on the fly, as there's no clear calender system given in Avatar.

The "Korra Reign" is an idea that global historical periods are by Avatar. The "second Horse Year" is that, counting up the Chinese zodiac years from an Avatar's birth, you call a given year by the number of times the Avatar's life has cycled through the zodiac. Korra was born in the Year of the Ox, so by the time of Season 1 she's in her Second Horse Year.

The less romantic and more practical way of dating things is the "AO" calender: "After Omashu." It counts up from the supposed historical date of Omashu's founding, which I put waaaay in the past since, counting by the Avatar statues shown in Episode 3 of AtLA, the Avatar Universe is crazy old. The world uses Omashu as a reference point mostly due to inertia and cultural hegemony. It's the oldest city around, had a lot of pull over the ages, and the Earth Kingdom (like China) is big enough that the countries surrounding it tend to loosely orbit it in a cultural sense.

Here's a second one I had done way back when.
>> No. 110654
piss poor pacing and writing compared to ATLA, the amount of shit they introduced and then passed over in the finale episodes alone made me sad
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