http://lightspeedsound.tumblr.com/post/23020469062/dear-white-washing-avatar-fans-toph-is-not-white-a

>complain that fanartists have been racist as hell by whitewashing Toph
>picspam fanarts of Toph looking Asian as hell or drawn in 'anime kawaii uguu~' style as evidence
>Boom. Racist.

Tumblr is becoming self-satire. When was that memo sent out? I clearly missed it.

>>102237

This...this is a parody, right? It has to be a parody.

>>102238
>>102237

Like, this one in particular looks about five times as east Asian as the images of Toph and her parents combined.

>>102238

http://damnlayoffthebleach.tumblr.com/post/23193593875

DLOTB reblogged it without commentary, implying they were silently agreeing with the OP. I don't know what the fuck anymore.

>>102240

Well that doesn't surprise me, parody or no.

>>102237
>Tough as Ovaries
>Books: -Harry Potter, The Hunger Games, Sherlock Holmes
>Any book, really. I was an English major.

Aaaw, no Supernatural to complete the perfect record? No scattered RDJ posts? What a pity.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

More amusing than upsetting, but this reviewer is seriously dumb.

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/05/19/the-legend-of-korra-season-1-episode-7-the-aftermath-tv-recap/

>It’s also worth mentioning that during this episode, Korra runs into Tahno, the snooty, devious pro-bender who had his powers taken away by Amon. He’s a sad sack now, seemingly depressed by his non-bending state. But he leaves her with a bit of a smirk–and I think that indicates there’s more going on here than is on the surface. Is Tahno faking his non-bending condition?
Yeah, that's definitely what the show was impliyng.

>>102243
Exactly how much of the city needs to have its bending taken away before this idea reaches trooferism levels of implausibility?

>>102237

I wish I could say this surprised me, but after that firebending Korra thing a couple of months back...

Posted this at the tail-end of the last thread, but it had been eaten by the bump limit by then. Some people *really* want to see the Equalists as fighting for social justice:

http://cadesama.tumblr.com/post/23258761574/lets-talk-about-makos-equalist-sympathies-up-to

And keep in mind, this was posted after Amon's Episode 6 speech.

>>102244

Well Amon definitely running SOME kind of con. Note how even though we've 'seen' like seven people lose their bending, we haven't actually seen it happen. The camera's always looking away or at something else at the time.

>>102245

They really, really want to see benders as an underprivileged class. When the two richest men in the city are nonbenders (presumably the head of Cabbage Corp is, or they'd have mentioned that when, you know, they were arrested for conspiring with the Equalists). That doesn't happen a lot in societies with economic oppression directed at them.

It doesn't even occur to them that maybe they shouldn't take Equalist propaganda at face value.

>>102251

*nonbenders

>>102251
I think Amon pretty much lost all credibility when he started the whole, "let's threaten anyone who doesn't agree with us with electric gloves and soon we're gonna have robots".

>>102253

Pictured is the exact moment the Equalists submarined their own cause.

Dude is a non-bender and is just doing his fucking job calling the action for the audience and you go in and fuckin' shock him while he's on the air? That's abominably stupid.

>>102254

Oh man. That is some ripe fanfiction material right there.

"His name was Shiro Shinobi."

>>102254
He's obviously a bender-identifying nonbender oppressor with internalized prejudice! Check your privilege!!

>>102245
Oh joy, and some nice Asami-bashing (I think?) in there, too.

You know, I like to think of myself as a social justice-minded person. I chose my college largely for its social justice record, participate in boycotts, have expressed interest in attending protests, and am disgusted by people who can act like Geoff Johns (or, hey, Mike and Bryan) shot their dog, raped their dog's corpse, then raped their mother to death with their dog's corpse while Omar al-Bashir is still a free man. And these girls creep me the Hell out. I'd imagine their ideal world would be something like the world shown in that one Fairly Oddparents episode back when it was actually good: everyone an identical gray blob.

>>102278
I think the main problem with these types of people is that they don't have an ideal and aren't working towards any real goal. They just want to tear others down to make themselves feel like they've done something good, without actually having to do anything. Also they only really target other people who understand the social justice lingo (who may be fellow idiots, or real activists who actually are working to change things for the better) because they know those people are the only ones who will care or feel hurt when insulted like that.

>>102259

>Lin, he kept those Avatar trading cards in his desk, he'd never risk getting them damaged in his coat.
>They needed the push, Tenzin. They needed the push.

>>102279
I think a lot of that lack of goal comes from the extremist SJer mindset of just dividing everything in the world into "privileged" and "oppressed," which are no longer states that can be altered by sufficient effort, but perpetual labels, given by virtue of birth, that people use as community and how they identify themselves and others in an active way. The perception is that the injustices are so great, the disparity between privilege and oppression so large, that there can't be comparison, and it's the labels more than individual circumstances that determine which of the "sides" you're on. And because that disparity is taken to be indefinite/infinite, there's no end goal except perpetual struggle against the other team. In a perpetual struggle with battle lines drawn, any victory, even just tearing something down without building something up, is lauded out of the hope that with enough of them, something will change.

>>102251
>It doesn't even occur to them that maybe they shouldn't take Equalist propaganda at face value.

I have to admit that the "Amon may have a point" refrain got old very fast. No bender in Republic City have a say in who is on the ruling council and unless they were expelled out of hand how would benders _not_ be employed by the local mob and/or police?

>>102287
That said, I hope someone at least asks at some point why there aren't any non-benders on the Republic Council. The anachronistic makeup of the Council (divided into five 'nations' that may not be representative of the Republic's population anymore) might be an explanation, with the bending vote concentrated and non-benders split, but there has to be some explanation eventually because all we've got for justification of the Equalists' cause is a rather petty "benders killed my parents; they are very bad". If the problem with the Council is one that can be reformed, then it goes some way toward making the Equalists more unreasonable and unsympathetic for refusing to engage with the process.

It might be that Aang was seeking a solution to this constitutional problem that involved Yakone somehow, and It All Went Horribly Wrong, leading to a retrenchment of bending power and the rise of Amon.

>>102288
I really think all of the council members being benders is just a coincidence. I mean, the characters themselves (save for Tenzin) were obviously made that way to probably a show bias against the Equalists, but I don't think being a bender is a prerequisite for being a member of the council. So, like, if Tarrlok left the council for whatever reason for all we know it's very possible a nonbender could replace him.

>>102288
> That said, I hope someone at least asks at some point why there aren't any non-benders on the Republic Council. The anachronistic makeup of the Council (divided into five 'nations' that may not be representative of the Republic's population anymore) might be an explanation, with the bending vote concentrated and non-benders split,

That is a major point. Perhaps it should have been explained more clearly, but IIRC the council aside from what amounts to Prince-Abbot Tenzin is not elected by Republic City but appointed by the EK, FN, NWT, & SWT. Mako and Bolin have no more representation than any of the Equalists.

>If the problem with the Council is one that can be reformed, then it goes some way toward making the Equalists more unreasonable and unsympathetic for refusing to engage with the process.
Or makes them superficial and shortsighted in their attempt to purge the people who would be allies in a movement (peaceful or otherwise) for Home Rule.

>>102288

Something that occurred to me the other day is that I really wonder why we don't see anti-Water Tribe sentiment. I mean, the Republic is built on fire nation colonies in the Earth Kingdom, and the Water Tribes are a million miles away, so logically the bulk of the population is going to be Earth and Fire, right? And you can tell that that's the case just by looking at the makeup of any crowd scene. And yet, they're represented in government at twice the level of any other nation. Only Tenzin is more disproportionate, and I doubt that anyone will begrudge a bit of disproportional representation to them given that he and his daughters are literally the only surviving Air Nomads.

>>102289
That's like saying that you only think it's a coincidence that all the US presidents have been male.

>>102292

It would be if there was good reason to think being a bender gave you an advantage in terms of getting chosen to run shit, like being male does. But there isn't, really. I mean, hell, in Aang's time three of the four non-Tenzin nations represented (Earth Kingdom and both Water Tribes) were ruled by non-benders. Wealth has pretty consistently sat in the hands of non-benders (Future Industries, Cabbage Corp, the Bei Fong family - probably. I'm pretty sure her parents are non-benders?). And benders are almost certainly a minority of the population (other than among the Air Nomads, who were a spacial case). So shit isn't that simple.

>>102294
You're right on some level, but if you think that a minority group having control of an entire city is due entirely to coincidence, then you are naive.

>>102295

There's basically no reason why it couldn't be a coincidence, based on what we've seen of the Avatar world. And even assuming that it isn't, it's still not really comparable to the male dominance of the presidency.

>>102297
>no reason why it couldn't be a coincidence
>minority group with total power
I guess you don't understand how probability works. Or the unfairness of political systems that demonstrably favor a minority group's vote over the majority's. Not to say that Tenzin or any of the council is out to oppress non-benders, but the total lack of non-benders on the highest authority of Republic City cries of a horrible misrepresentation of the people, so much so that to think it's merely a coincidence is fucking stupid.

Like seriously, this is beyond naive, it's just plain dumb. I don't know how you cannot comprehend this concept, a system that does not represent its people is broken and does not simply happen by accident. It does not.

>>102300

Umm...no. Especially given that we don't actually know if the council members aside from Tarrlok and Tenzin are even benders.

We don't know if this is systemic. We have no idea about the makeup of past councils. We don't even know how they're appointed. We don't know if this council is representative or anamolous. One data point is not a trend.

If there was clear signs elsewhere that such favortism does indeed fall on benders then that would be one thing. But historically that hasn't been the case.

>>102301
The Fire Nation councilwoman is a fire bender. There's also a strong possibility they're all benders.
Just sayin'...

>>102302

And even Amon doesn't bother complaining about the makeup of the council.

Also just saying.

>>102301
You don't need to create trends or graphs or have a historical timeline.

What matters is that the current government does not accurately represent its people. That is the problem and revolutions have rightfully occurred for less. I am not making any assumptions as to what the bias is, but it certainly must exist because this misrepresentation does not happen by accident. Governments are not made by chance or coincidence. And this one was made without the proper representation of non-benders.

>>102304

Ummm...if you're trying to show that there's social bias towards benders in the Republic City government then yes. Yes you do have to have trends and historical understanding. If you don't understand that then there's not ven any point discussing it with you.

Do we know how the council members are elected, exactly? I'm Canadian so I can't get onto the click-around adventure and read the stuff posted there, so I might be missing out, but you guys are talking about it like it's a democracy and there's no evidence it is in the show itself?

I think it's likely the first council members were Aang (air), Katara (southern water), the mayor of Yu Dao (fire) and the mayor's wife (earth). As water tribe people began to move into the city they added a fifth guy to represent the northern tribe, who might have been picked BY the northern water tribe which highly values bending. And in that case, yeah, 3/5 council members are coincidentally benders. If the mayor and his wife are too old or something by the time the council is established, their daughter will probably take the earth seat and some other fire nation person would take the remaining one. Their method of electing new members is probably vaguely incestuous; Tenzin definitely got the job just because his father was on the council before him, and the rest may have gotten where they were by personal favour too. This is a world where the nations are still ruled by royal families. Kinda stands to reason Republic City wouldn't be so different--it is just an oligarchy instead of a monarchy. Whoops!!

Although I guess it's worth mentioning that since benders are the manual labourers doing the dirty work in factories, Republic City is very unusual in that the rulers are also blue-collar. And while they are the ones who make the laws, non-bender companies like Cabbage Corp and Sato hold all the financial power. There actually is a kind of power balance between non-benders and benders, and the real issue would be that it's still in the hands of a small group of councillors and obscenely wealthy people and not the common folk.

It's dangerous to think of benders and non-benders as social classes though, I think. If you think like that you're thinking with Equalist propaganda.

>>102306
>>Do we know how the council members are elected, exactly?

It's still a big question mark. There's been no suggestion of elections or anything like that yet, or a parliament. The United Republic might not even necessarily be a democratic republic.

>>It's dangerous to think of benders and non-benders as social classes though, I think. If you think like that you're thinking with Equalist propaganda.

While I'm inclined to agree, remember that even the Good Guys have spoken of the bender/non-bender classes as fact. Tenzin talks about it in council sessions, and ever-disagreeing Tarrlok does nothing to needle him about using the language of revolutionaries. Pema spoke to Katara about wanting her fourth child to be a non-bender "like me." So it's common currency in the United Republic (which essentially includes the Air Nomads).

The other nations are another question. Korra, with her SWT upbringing, was totally shocked when first exposed to the concept of bending being a bad thing. She wasn't sheltered by the White Lotus *all* her life, and we can hope she was allowed to visit her parents over the years, so if the idea had currency at the South Pole it shouldn't have been completely alien to her. But it might be that the SWT -- like the NWT, EK, and FN -- has a strong national/cultural identity to draw on to bind together its benders and non-benders. The United Republic is a young country, and the Air Nomads are a reconstruction via Aang with certain alterations (biological family units, non-bender members) camping on Republic City's doorstep.

>>102307
>Pema spoke to Katara about wanting her fourth child to be a non-bender "like me.

That seemed to be more parental exhaustion- Having kids that can control winds could be tiring when you can't.

> She wasn't sheltered by the White Lotus *all* her life, and we can hope she was allowed to visit her parents over the years

She said goodbye to them before she left for Republic City, so they must have only been a short distance away. I kind of had the impression that she continued to live with her parents and either White Lotus set up shop in their village or that her parents came with Korra when she went to the White Lotus camp?

So with all this cross-cutting of bending and socio-economic status, did it ever occur to anyone that the non-bending elite might be the bourgeoisie to the bending nobility? Money isn't the only factor here, and all the yuans and car factories in the world matter diddly-squat to a class that derives its power from birthright. (NOT heredity, in case people want to put words in my mouth and start that stupid argument again.) Now, the concept of "buying a seat" might seem anathema to our modern minds, but back during the days of the Enlightenment and the French Revolution, the wealthy "middle" business class felt rightfully shafted that despite their accomplishments, they had zero representation in the government because they were born into the wrong family. Cue rhetoric about rights and equality, drag some peasants into the fight, and a head or two gets chopped off and a regime of terror is born.

To me, this seems parallel to the power dynamics of Republic City: No matter how far a non-bender "makes it", the system (and society) will always end up favoring those born with magical world-altering powers.

Of course, in the case of Sato, this is moot because his motivation for supporting the Equalists stems from rather petty personal reasons rather than larger socio-economic factors.

It's also moot because Amon is making a clear power grab and all this stuff about inequality is insincere, he just wants people to side with him and knows how to push the buttons of the lower classes of people. It's just as likely that benders are being used as scapegoats to rile up a revolution so that Amon can usurp the council, and have a lot of support in usurping the council. Nonbenders are the majority.

Start with poor people who are underprivileged because they are, well, poor. Give them a group in which to lay all the blame on. Give them a means to "fight back" against this demonised group. Give them power and hope. Show them biased examples of the group doing bad things, downplay any good they are doing, make them fear and hate them. Work your way up. Righteous anger is a powerful thing, and when you have a whole city full of angry people who are in your favour, you have a pretty good chance of taking it over.

Interesting discussions about the council makeup. When we first see a council meeting, Tarrlok does refer to "us benders", and since he's appealing for the council's vote, he's obviously not just talking about himself.

Do we have it confirmed that the councillors are appointed by the other nations, though? It seems a weird setup for a "republic" to have, being governed like a joint-sovereign colony. I guess the associations we're meant to make are with Shanghai under the International Settlement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_International_Settlement) or Hong Kong when it was a British colony later transferred to Chinese sovereignty but not fully integrated with the mainland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Hong_Kong - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Law_of_Hong_Kong). Not sure how this will play out in the end, but I suspect this will come up as an issue in the future.

>>102330
Republic City is based off Hong Kong (mixed with New York City) so my bet is on that one. I'm not sure there's *time* in this season to address the setup, but since the bender vs. nonbender problem is unlikely to be resolved immediately after Amon is beaten, I can see it coming up as a plot point in the second season.

What kids are probably going to take away from Legend of Korra:

Teacher-Now kids, what did we learn?
Kids-Nerds, peasants, and those of the socialist persuasion are evil and should be oppressed and disregarded.
Teacher-KIDS!!!
Kids-Except if they're good looking.
Teacher-Great, you all get an A.

>>102314

You reminded me of this, anon: "He's Alive. " Twilight Zone (1963).

>>"What are the dynamics of a crowd? How do you move a mob, Mr. Vollmer? How do you excite them? How do you make them feel as one with you?"

>>"I dunno. How?"

>>"Join them first, Mr. Vollmer."

>>"Join them?"

>>"Yes. When you speak to them, speak to them as if you were a member of the mob. Speak to them in their language, on their level. Make their hate your hate. If they are poor, talk to them of poverty. If they are afraid, talk to them of their fears. And if they are *angry*, Mr. Vollmer, if they are angry give them objects for their anger. But most of all, the thing that is most of the essence, Mr. Vollmer, is that you make this mob an extension of yourself."

...

>>102358

Reminds me of the post that described Pokemon with the original series.

>>102358
The Velma-Korra comparison REALLY falls flat.

>>102361
Same with Fred-Mako. They were really stretching it with this one.

>>102363
That's the point. It's a joke. It's supposed to be ridiculous.

http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/azula-for-you.225356/page-3#post-7833647

>Aang is a child, yes. But he embodies the very worst of children. He is a coward. He abandoned his duty. He abandoned his family. He abandoned his honor. And he continues to do it right up until the end, where the Deux Ex turtle gave him a push.

>Aang spits on the ideals I hold highest. I cannot ever like a character like that. He is loathsome and disgusting. Perhaps when he grows older he might grow to be a decent being, but as he is shown in the show? He is a abomination, totally unworthy of the regard people hold for him. Unworthy of the love his masters felt, and unworthy of his power.

Even setting aside the misconception about the Finale (storming off to meditate on a moral quandary and getting summoned to a demiplane in your sleep does not construe abandonment of anything in my eyes), this fellow seems to have a bit of a Thing about Aang.

>>102368
Isn't everything set into motion because he runs away from home on Appa and falls into the ocean? It's been a while, but I seem to remember he runs away from the Air Temple for some reason or other.

I don't entirely agree with this weirdo, but he's partly right. Aang does seem to embody a lot of very negative qualities. But I guess what he missed is that that's the point -- he's a flawed character. A "normal child" given all these ridiculous expectations and duties. Nobody said he was perfect; in a way they're all flawed. Besides, he has his good qualities, too.

>>102370

Aang has avoidance issues out the yin-yang, and he probably will all his life. That's a pretty fundamental part of his character.

THIS clown, on the other hand, refuses to acknowledge that he grew in any way over the course of the series, and...I mean just listen to him, he's border-line psychotic about it.

>>102376
Honestly the guy sounds like a standard "The finale sucks because I wanted blood and Aang didn't murder Ozai" kid, rationalizing the whole thing with essays about honor and abandonment that don't really hold up.

>>102368
Oh hay thar, serialkiffer. :P

>>102370
>Isn't everything set into motion because he runs away from home on Appa and falls into the ocean?

No, everything is set into motion because Sozin realized that the comet would allow him to go all Manifest Destiny on the Earth Kingdom.
Then, after he has to kill Roku to get that plan off the ground, he commits himself to war against the Avatar in general, which means the Air Monks get to tell a 12 year old that he is responsible for saving the entire world.

>>102370

Posted by that same clown downthread:

>First, I never mowed a lawn. That is grunt work.

Confirmed for neckbearded basement-dweller than posts about 'moralfags' all day on /b/ and /r9k/

>>102396
No no no no, you missed the best part. WHY he has never mowed the lawn:

> I prefer to stay with matters requiring skill or intelligence. Thus I have always been very careful to arrange matters so I could avoid such things.

> I am quite physically fit, but I am hardly going to do manual labor if I can avoid it. It would also require me to go outdoors, and run the risky of getting dirty. The first is something I do my best to avoid aside from specific circumstances, and the second is to be avoided in general.

I'm unfamiliar with this forum and this twat, do people roleplay there? Is this guy just playing a character? I don't know how anyone could say this shit and not be joking.

>>102398
Yeah, good luck to this kid once he's done with high school/college. You'd be amazed how many employers, regardless of the position, will give extra consideration to those who have done physical labor jobs in their past simply because those jobs generally require an added level of hardship and discipline which makes someone far more appreciative of being able to sit in front of a drafting desk or computer all day.

>>102398
>>do people roleplay there? Is this guy just playing a character?

I'm a regular over at the Spacebattles forum. No, people there don't roleplay outside of a specific sub-forum, which is not the one this particular thread is in. I'm not familiar with the poster in question, but what you're seeing is likely the real deal.

>>102384

I know you said that as a joke but I seriously think this has to be him.

>>102403
He sounds like this one guy at TVTropes to me, particularly the thing about heroic characters being "childish" for not killing their opponents; the guy I know says the same thing about Luke Skywalker not executing Darth Vader. I don't know how many of you guys read One Piece, but the guy seems to express morality similar to "Dark Justice" from that manga.

>>102406
... Sounds like the kind of asshole that ruined superhero comics.

>>102406
It's "Absolute Justice."

>>102408
No, "Dark Justice" is the even more severe Justice practiced by Rob Lucci; it holds that you deserve to be executed not only if you're an enemy, but also if you're an ally who screws up. Lucci demonstrated this by killing 500 hostages for being weak enough to be captured in the first place. This guy seems to take a similar opinion, arguing that if Luke is too much of a "child" to kill Vader, he should be killed and replaced with a "better" hero who is willing to do the deed. I can tell he'd HATE the ATLA finale.

>>102423

i actually read some of that out of bordom if you're gonna be a race freedom fighter get your fucking facts strait....

"Even today, I don’t think Bruce (Bruce Lee) would be given a chance in Hollywood as leading man, because I still don’t really see East Asian leading men on TV or at the theater"???

REALLY???? so you've never heard of Jackie chan? Jet Li? PAT MOTHERFUCKING MORITA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! seriously stop with the b.s. there are plenty of asian superstars and even more ethnic stars are still popping up. and how come no one ever mentions how white characters became black? like nick fucking fury???? it happenes both ways people quit nitpicking i've seen white characters played by asians/blacks/mexicans ect it happens too so quit whining for eaquality when there's plenty to go around. if you havnt seen a black superhero get some spotlight let me remind you of spawn for fucks sake writtin by a white guy. seriously get the facts straight or shut the fuck up already............

>>102425

You're an idiot.

Pat Morita is dead. Jet Li and Jackie Chan are getting older, and their most famous movies, the ones that usually gave them the lead roles, were usually Chinese. Jet Li didn't make his American debut until nearly a decade of Hong Kong in Lethal Weapon 4. Jackie Chan had to wait until Rumble in the Bronx and Rush Hour after being in film since the sixties.

Spawn hasn't been relevant since the 90s, and Nick Fury was based off Ultimate Nick Fury, a purposeful re-imagining of the character invented roughly around 2001, heavily featured in Ultimate Spider Man, which was Marvel's most popular book.

For every White character that gets changed to something else, we get plenty of movies like The Last Airbender, 21, and Extraordinary Measures, so "happening both ways" in this case means diddly because the comparison straight up can't be made.

So yeah, you're an idiot.

>>102425

>come into fandumb thread
>post a gigantic load of stupidity

Dude...

I was afraid we were running out of fandumb, then this came.
http://avataraang.tumblr.com/post/23883774971/masterarrowhead-korra-the-leaf-asami-sato

>Ugh, that’s just disgusting. Who the fuck talks like that about a show aired for kids? I’m hoping Asami gets to dump his ass - there is absolutely no question that his behaviour has been unacceptable, and I think we’re only just starting to scratch the surface of Asami.
>Well, at least there’s no confusion. Mako’s an asshole, and apparently they hired the right VA for the job. I’m starting to think I’d prefer this show without the brothers - Bolin’s hilarity does not nearly make up for this nonsense.

>Wow umm… yeah.
>This kind of kills the mood of the series really. I’ve already noticed that Korra doesn’t have that same kind of epicness as ATLA did, but now that I know even actors doesn’t take it seriously I just.. feel like giving up?
>plus.. that comment is pretty upsetting imo. :T

>Okay, I really can’t even like Mako anymore because of this. :| His voice actor is obviously uninspired by his character and has no respect for the work of art he is PRIVILEGED to be a part of. He was LUCKY to land this role. On top of that, he’s a fucking douchebag misogynistic asshole. Congrats, David Fuckass, you have ruined a perfectly good character for me.

It' like hating Gandalf because McKellen isn't a wizard.

>>102538

Just specifying who said what, cause Tumblr makes it hard to tell who said what.

http://anodynified.tumblr.com/post/23921715556/withoutahat-avataraang-masterarrowhead

>Ugh, that’s just disgusting. Who the fuck talks like that about a show aired for kids? I’m hoping Asami gets to dump his ass - there is absolutely no question that his behaviour has been unacceptable, and I think we’re only just starting to scratch the surface of Asami.

>Well, at least there’s no confusion. Mako’s an asshole, and apparently they hired the right VA for the job. I’m starting to think I’d prefer this show without the brothers - Bolin’s hilarity does not nearly make up for this nonsense.

---

http://strangestwords.tumblr.com/post/23886158168/avataraang-masterarrowhead-korra-the-leaf

>Okay, I really can’t even like Mako anymore because of this. :| His voice actor is obviously uninspired by his character and has no respect for the work of art he is PRIVILEGED to be a part of. He was LUCKY to land this role. On top of that, he’s a fucking douchebag misogynistic asshole. Congrats, David Fuckass, you have ruined a perfectly good character for me.

---

http://bifauxnen.tumblr.com/post/23884436924/avataraang-masterarrowhead-korra-the-leaf

>Wow umm… yeah.

>This kind of kills the mood of the series really. I’ve already noticed that Korra doesn’t have that same kind of epicness as ATLA did, but now that I know even actors doesn’t take it seriously I just.. feel like giving up?

>plus.. that comment is pretty upsetting imo. :T

>>102541
>I’m hoping Asami gets to dump his ass

But... Mako didn't say anything. It's not his fault his va is a bit of a jerk.

>but now that I know even actors doesn’t take it seriously

I'm pretty sure a lot of people who don't do voice-acting often don't take it really seriously, and I don't really blame them. They're just doing it for the money and of course they're interested in the show, but as long as they do a good job and don't let their carelessness leak into the character, I don't really care if they don't take it seriously.

>>102546
His VA isn't a bit of a jerk. Damn retards are frothing at the mouth because he said the shallow part of himself that he's less proud of would go for Asami, because she drips beauty, although he's got a more sensible side that could go for Korra.

You've got to have a malfunctioning brain to see "I've got a shallow side. I do. Me. This is me I'm talking about here, I'm the one with that negative aspect" as "girls are sluts".

These individuals do, in fact, have malfunctioning brains.

I just want to say that I absolutely loath the discussion system on Tumblr.

>>102589
Oh it's terrible. I'm appalled it ever caught on. How? Just... how? It's the worst possible idea for how to do a blog. "I'll post something, and instead of you guys replying to it on the same page, let's go off in 500 different directions."

Just... no. Die, tumblr, die.

>>102538

They just see 'slut' and their knee jerks. Never mind that he's talking about himself. Who is not a woman.

>>102549

100% this.

>>102596
>Who is not a woman.

I've yet to see verifiable proof, despite demanding it repeatedly.

Never could make heads nor tails of tumblr either, despite a few people insisting "fangirls have a natural aptitude" for it. From what I've seen though, I'm probably better off.

>>102601
Just to be clear here, you're asking for pictures of David Faustino's junk?

>>102603
Yes, but let me stress this: it's only for research purposes. You have NO idea how many ethics committee hoops I had to jump through for this one. Now if he would just comply, I could get some hard data.

>>102608
>hard data

>>102608
Isn't it kinda cocky to assume you'll be able to reach your conclusion with so little input?

>>102237

http://lightspeedsound.tumblr.com/post/23910874744/i-was-reading-your-rant-on-toph-being-white-washed-and

>I think Asians shouldn’t be drawn with caucasian bone structure and eye shapes they don’t have.

>I’m actually getting very tired of everyone telling me how Asian Toph looks in that post.

>Because…no.

>Toph’s eyes. are. slanted.

>It doesn’t matter that “oh, other full Chinese people don’t have eyes like that” etc.

>Her. Eyes. Are. Almond. Shaped.

>Additionally: No. She may be light skinned, but light skinned Asian is NOT THE SAME SHADE AS WHITE. There are different base colors there. Do I really need to talk about how the shades and tones are different? Because that’s going to take a hell of a lot of time.

>I don’t care how OTHER. ASIANS. LOOK.

>Toph looks like a very distinct type of asian, and erasing that is white washing.

>White washing is obviously character specific. I mean, white washing Toph is obviously going to be different from white washing, say, Zuko. Why? Because Toph actually has green eyes. If you made Zuko’s eyes a typically “white” color (i.e.: lighter, green or blue), it would obviously be white washing.

>So…yeah.

>Everybody stop pointing out about how some asians look like that picture. Toph doesn’t.

...I got nothin'.

>David Faustino slut controversy
>No mention of this guy

>>102611

>Tough As Ovaries

...Huh

>>102610
Well I certainly wouldn't want a cockup on my hands. I'm willing to suck up my pride - anyone with any suggestions for how to pump up the quality of the research, open your mouths. This is open to all comers.

>>102611
>Toph looks like a very distinct type of asian, and erasing that is white washing.

Uh, she does? Do they mean she should look like the people that come from whichever culture the Earth Kingdom is based off of? Because it's a mix.

>>102611
>Toph looks like a very distinct type of asian

I'm just not seeing it. Then again, neither could she.

>>102611
The fuck? Toph doesn't even look that Asian to begin with. And it's a fucking cartoon based on fucking anime, everybody already looks "whitewashed" to some extent. If she/ze wants to get upset at anyone blame the fucking Japanese for drawing that way in the first place.

>>102619
Only white people think anime characters look white.

Projection much?

>>102619
The predominant anime stylisms date back to Tezuka, who adapted them from early American cartoons.

So blame Disney.

Really, it's just a good rule of thumb in general.

>>102620
Well yes, of course he's projecting. That's a strength of the style, the extremely expressive faces make it easier for you to see yourself in the characters regardless of where you're from. It's a style that invites projecting.

>>102620
What? I'm the person who made the post here, and I'm full Chinese. It's not projecting at all when it's was intentional. If you want to get upset blame Osamu Tezuka who started it for being an Ojisan Tommu or something.

>>102623
>>102621
Tezuka is one man. His style is dinstinct and exclusive to himself. His shit doesn't look anything like Naruto, One Piece, Dragonball, Precure, or any other series. Trying to pigeon hole every anime under one style (from the 50s) is dumb.

>>102622
Not really. Japan finds it funny when Americans insist anime characters look white.

>>102625
There's like an official term for this sort of thing called Mu Kokuseki. And I hate to have to link to TVTropes because the site is a festering boil but:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Mukokuseki

>>102625
>Tezuka is one man.

Really? I heard he was five and a half.

Tezuka popularized certain stylistic techniques, in particular the use of extremely large "Mickey Mouse" eyes because they're more expressive. That doesn't mean there isn't a great deal of variety in anime (no shit Sherlock), but one of the stylistic mainstays is large eyes, and Tezuka is the one that got the ball rolling with that in Japanese animation.

Trying to pigeonhole anime into one style is dumb.

Trying to tell that to people that know their history is also dumb. Stop being dumb, Anonymous.

>Not really.

Yes, really. Of course the Japanese find it funny. They go "what? But they don't look Caucasian at all! There's no large noses or anything..." Irrelevant. The extremely expressive style unrealistic faces make it very easy for people of all races to put themselves in the shoes of the characters. The fact that it's not intentional doesn't change the fact that people from Japan go "oh, those characters are obviously Japanese" while people from America go "why do the Japanese fill their cartoons with white people?" The style makes it easy to project, and people tend to be self-centered enough that it doesn't occur to them that people from other countries would be just as able to see themselves in the characters.

>>102625
> His style is dinstinct and exclusive to himself.

Er....kinda, in the sense that you can usually tell Tezuka had a hand in something. But "distinct" would be to imply that he has one style, which is flat out untrue. Tezuka worked for over seven hundred years, invented every genre, and every substyle of manga is based on a substyle of Tezuka's own personal style that he used in one of the 9,233 manga he worked on.

...okay, it was actually just above 700 manga that he worked on. Which is still a ridiculous number. And he really did work in pretty much every genre, and had a style so elastic and prone to evolution that he hit just about every sub-style of manga you can think of along the way.

There's a reason people call him the God of Manga. It is not because he was popular or even just because he was the First. It's because the medium really did more or less just spring forth fully formed from his divine noggin.

>>102625
>Trying to pigeon hole every anime under one style (from the 50s) is dumb.

Jesus dude, look around. This isn't the sort of place where people are impressed that you know there's more than one artstyle in anime. This is somewhere that you look like an ass for pointing it out.

There's a huge variety in anime, but there ARE a few elements that pop up more often than others. Big eyes are common, just not ubiquitous, and Tezuka's the guy that MADE them common. And big eyes are the reason why people all over the world can see themselves in the characters when they look at anime or at "big eyes" cartoon characters in general, including the Disney stuff.

http://equalistsfuckshitup.tumblr.com/post/24023521338/no-really-the-team-avatar-deal-miss-me-with-that-one

tumblr is trying to compare fictional oppression to real world oppression again

stop that, you guys.

>>102715
>a bloo bloo bloo bloo, this kid's cartoon isn't as deep as i want it to be

Fuck's sake. Either appreciate it for what it is or fuck off.

The comparison to Full Metal Alchemist is especially delicious. FMA, the story where the main characters are not figuratively but literally blonde aryan-esque "white saviors" that go around saving minorities and the underprivileged? The one where the nakedly middle eastern analogues, Ishbalans, barely get any real plot time other than as Scar's and Roy's tragic backstory? lololol sure. FMA did race relation metaphors "better". tumblr social justce... sheesh.

>>102715
> Is the fandom forgetting how the 100 YEAR WAR WAS A BENDER ON BENDER ETHNIC CONFLICT AND THE NON-BENDERS WERE CAUGHT IN THE CROSS-FIRE

It wasn't really though, it was Sozin making a power grab and he had the backing of an entire nation, not just the firebender minority. The Air Nomad massacre was obviously machine vs. airbenders because they couldn't get up to the temples otherwise. The Earth King is a non-bender so it's likely the kings before him were as well. Sozin used the comet for the initial push, however he was winning his war because the Fire Nation was the most technologically advanced.

The 100 Year War was more accurately one power-hungry asshole who happened to be a firebender vs. everyone who got in his way.

>>102719

Technically, the Ishbalans were an analog for the treatment of the Ainu, not any Middle East ethnic group, but the timing of FMA and ubiquity of an oppressor country slaughtering people allow easy comparison to modern day American issues regarding the war on terror.

>>102727
I didn't know that. Neat.

>>102727
Fair enough. Since the Ainu-Japanese-relations issue is more relevant to the Japanese audience, that would make more sense. The main point is that the minority's presence in the story was pretty shallow and used mostly for backstory fodder.

>>102724
>>It wasn't really though, it was Sozin making a power grab and he had the backing of an entire nation, not just the firebender minority.

Exactly. It was nations fighting nations. The bender/non-bender conflict is strictly a TLoK Era thing. In the AtLA Era, nationalism and elemental identification were so intertwined as to be inseparable; Zhao even called the non-bender Yu Yan archers "sons and daughters of fire." The closest it gets touched upon in a negative light is the occasional small joke at Sokka's expense, and that's vastly outweighed with how eliminating another nation's bending tradition (like with the Hama and the SWT, or Haru's missing father) is presented as a form of cultural genocide.

It's only in the Fire Nation Colonies that things got muddled, and even then there were strong feelings of nationalism. Kori might have been an earthbender, but she strongly identified with Fire Nation via her father's bloodline. Meanwhile you had protestors at Yu Dao's gates wanting to return to Earth Kingdom rule. No one (as of Volume 1) has agitated for independence. The colonials seem to think of themselves as either EK or FN.

The fact that FMA is set in a fictionalized Europe points that it could also be a parallel to any one of dozens of other ethnic conflicts perpetrated in the first part of the 20th century. Hell if you really wanted you could read it as an analogue to the Troubles, although that might be stretching it a bit. Arguing over which conflict the Amestrian/Ishbalen thing is supposed to be a parallel to is pretty pointless, not only because the answer is 'none of them' but because the answer could also be 'any of them'. It's about intergenerational conflict and breaking the cycle of hatred that perpetuates them. It can apply to a distressingly high number of real-world things.

>>102719

This, though, is just wrong. The Elrics didn't go around saving Ishbalens (outside of the parts where they saved every single person living in the geographic area of Amestris)...they barely interacted with them outside of Scar and Miles. Actually, the opposite happened.

>>102739
Ishbalans weren't the only minority/underprivileged group in the story. Elric may not have saved Ishbalans specifically, but they did save the Leto-cultists, and that one poor mining town from a corrupt government official, and so on.

>>102762

Those aren't really minority groups.

>>102762
Considering the militarism of the government in FMA, I'd say those areas were conquests assimilated into the country. Not necessarily minority groups in the population sense, but representation-wise, definitely.

>>102767
>I'd say those areas were conquests assimilated into the country

This describes literally the entire country except for Central and the five square miles around it. Hell, it describes the Elrics themselves. What, did you think the East wasn't a conquest too? Not to mention, you know, being Xerxian.

Look, there's only one group of people treated as racial minorities in Amestris, and that's Ishbalans. The population is clearly very heterogenous, but no other differences are remarked or acted upon except Ishbalan vs non-Ishbalan. The other conquered people clearly assimilated themselves into a big heterogenous "Amestrian" identity. You can argue until the cows come home about how realistic this is (and honestly, it's probably not all that, but I can see how it would make sense from a Japanese perspective) but that's how the world was constructed. If you're talking race relations in FMA, you're talking Ishbal. Period.

>>102770
I actually don't think the East was a conquest.

>>102774

All of Amestris was a conquest. Seriously, all of it. They say this explicitly while they were hanging out in the tunnel in the North; Amestris was once a tiny, tiny country (Central and the area around it), that rapidly became a lot bigger through conquest and annexations. Only a very small part of Amestris is original flavor.

Yes, she's luring them into a trap after saving them from one in the last episode.
This fandom is either too young or too dumb. Probably both.

>>102715
>not to mention- Pro-bending is an ostentatious display of bender-privilege.. it’s just a circle-jerk to the awesomeness that is bending
So all IRL sports are ableist and should be stopped. Think of the disabled people!

>DID THE WRITERS FORGET THAT KORRA IS AN INDIGENOUS WOMAN? The writers basically cut off her ethnic ties with an axe…
Yeah, ethnicity and skin color were always a problem in Avatar for Sokka and Katara .

>>102790
I wonder if this person had a problem with the airbending sports seen in the first series (or maybe even they could realize that the dynamics are a little different in a situation where EVERYONE has superpowers).

>>102715
> I have yet to see a scene where Bolin or Mako really acknowledged their privilege

*twitch*

Orphans. Growing up on the street. Acknowledging privilege.

>You see, I would have loved to see some rage from those who were oppressed by the firenation

>AANG’S ASS IS GONE… I want some real rage

>I want a real revolt

A) Revolts 50+ years after the people doing the oppressing left rather misses the point.

B) Having seen rage for it's own sake and it's results up close and personal (Los Angeles, 1992), I question the wisdom of those who find it glorious.

> DID THE WRITERS FORGET THAT KORRA IS AN INDIGENOUS WOMAN? The writers basically cut off her ethnic ties with an axe…
She seems quite proud of her parents, her kin, and her master. BTW, who are you to say how a SWT woman (or for that matter any PoC) should act?

>Again, why the hell did they not continue the series with Hama

>or a Hama-esque situation
Because sadistic revenge against those who happen to share bloodlines with people who screwed you over is generally a Bad Thing? Maybe? Perhaps?

>>102788
Asami wears makeup/doesn't bend/is rich/is overly sensual, therefore she is Evil. Did you not get the memo?

>>102792
>I wonder if this person had a problem with the airbending sports seen in the first series (or maybe even they could realize that the dynamics are a little different in a situation where EVERYONE has superpowers).

Or they think the Airbenders were the most tyrannical of the lot....

Nope, still can't tolerate tumblr enough to really look at any links to it.

How long until it goes and dies like livejournal? Is there anything I can do to speed it up? Because I don't think I've ever come across a worse way to discuss things. Fucking twitter is better.

>>102794
>>Or they think the Airbenders were the most tyrannical of the lot....

That wouldn't surprise me. Although the Airbenders usually get beaten up for the whole 'communal child-rearing' thing. On the softer side, I've seen it presented as robbing Aang of something ineffable. On the harsher side, I've seen it painted as all the nuns being enslaved/brainwashed broodmares and Aang essentially being indoctrinated into a cult.

Oddly, I've never really seen people play up Tibetan feudalism and serfdom when it comes to villainizing the Air Nomads. That seems like it'd be low-hanging fruit for folks into that sort of thing.

>>102724

>The Air Nomad massacre was obviously machine vs. airbenders because they couldn't get up to the temples otherwise.

Well, they did have the dragons...

>>102803
Because then they'd have to dispense with their "Free Tibet" badges, and they paid good money for those, they're laminated and everything.

I don't think the Fire Nation actually used the dragons. It was right about the time of the massacre that dragon hunting was picking up. Aaang and Kuzon actually stopped some poachers themselves. Iroh found the last (known) two in his time and let them live.

>>102804
I doubt the dragons would be willing to work with a culture that killed its kind to prove their honor. Roku, as the Avatar, was an exception because of the Avatar's connection to the spirit world.

>>102804
>Well, they did have the dragons...

That, and as we saw in the finale, the strongest of firebenders can fly under the comets influence.

Hmm there appears to be something brewing with Sifu Kisu on tumblr.

>>102903

Yup.

>>102903

I'm having trouble checking his stuff, what's goin' on?

>>102907

From what I gather, Sifu Kisu was flirting with someone he knew personally. This someone is 30 years old (I think). Some folks thought that Sifu Kisu had been saying racy stuff to an underaged girl. Called him disgusting. Sifu not happy and has been referencing himself as "disgusting" (see posts below) as Take Thats.

http://tmblr.co/ZPVVpvMUCpmg
>I like the TESTING scenario a lot better….
>We ARE watching you, we ARE playing with YOUR FEELS, we ARE disgusting, yada yada yada…..

http://tmblr.co/ZPVVpvMT_rCh
>Oww look an underaged girl?

http://tmblr.co/ZPVVpvMTuTMd
>Chuck;
>I’m a lover not a fighter.
>OMG! Am I being
>“DISGUSTING”?!!?!

http://tmblr.co/ZPVVpvMThvMB

>lanugi:
>I’m sorry, Sifu Kisu’s comments and posts are disgusting. He’s an older man talking to potentially younger girls, NOT TO MENTION affiliated with a kid’s show. I seriously just want to barf.

>Sifu Kisu
>LAWD my work here is done,
>FYI I don’t draw cartoons I simply make the violence in them a bit more artful.
>Okay potentially younger girls please stop talking at me it’s “disgusting”.

Yup, the tumbler user joker 575 or 757 flirted with him. She's 30 years old. Sifu flirted back.

People thought she was underaged and called Kisu disgusting.

Kisu not happy.

>>102911

http://tmblr.co/ZPVVpvMU8I17

joker757 asks:
Sifu I'm sorry about all the trouble I've caused teasing your sexy ass. Would it help if I told people that I am 30 years old and that we have met in real life more than once?

Sifu Kisu:
We’ll talk at class this Saturday, okay?

>>102909
>>102912

http://lanugi.tumblr.com/post/24122535115/you-really-are-an-idiot-do-you-know-i-am-a-long-time

>joker757 said: "You really are an idiot do you know? I am a long time REAL LIFE friend of Kisu who simply happens to be fascinated by the entire tumblr phenomenon. I was teasing him albeit publicly and he playfully responded in kind. YOU OWE THE MAN A PUBLIC APOLOGY since you've gone off halfcocked attacking someone with your pathetic ill formed point of view not even knowing one half of the full story. By the way I'm 30 fucking years old you dumb bitch!"

>Well, first off I’m sorry. Not for my post to Sifu or even the answer I’m typing to you now, but for the fact that if you really are 30, you still type like you have the mental capacity of a 13 year old. Obviously you’re not going to admit that you aren’t his friend, but this post (http://joker757.tumblr.com/post/23894334798/oh-my-fucking-god-he-answered-me) doesn’t sound like the response a real life ‘friend’ would have. Have a nice day!

>get called out
>insult immediately
>dig through accusers blog
>insinuate that they're lying with very scant circumstantial evidence

>tumblr

>>102913

Hooboy.

>>102914

bluandorange is making a production out of unfollowing him from that post as well.

Someone is starved for attention.

Don't want to get told off? Don't shit in other people's yards. Mind your own fucking business.

Tumblr overeating without even having their facts straight?

Stop the fucking presses.

I'm loving this. It just never occurred to them that maybe he actually knew the person he was joke-flirting with.

>>102919

Scuffle outside the Kellogg's …

Big Dude in Yankee cap = Kisu
Skinny as rail hipsters = the vast majority of tumblr

>tumblr

It just... it just needs to die.

>>103004
No. I'm loving being an audience member/critic in the peanut gallery, watching all of this drama unfold.

Tumblr is nice when it's just images, though.

>>103004
Tumblr is only good for wasting time looking at pretty pictures. If anyone goes on there looking for any sort of commentary then you're using it wrong and please stop

>>103025
I hate the naming convention though. At least deviantart lets you know the source when you save or repost it.

Bah. Both sides acted like children. The Social Justice crowd shouldn't have leap-frogged to the wrong conclusion and especially should not have insisted that their wrong conclusion was right. Sifu Kisu should have just corrected and then just ignored them.

It takes two to tango as they say. For now, I'm putting more blame on the Social Justice crowd.

!!!

So... Sifu isn't creepy?? He's still cool? *sniffles* HALLELUJAH. Faith in a small segment of humanity restored..

>>103032

He may not be creepy, but he is still DISGUSTING!

>>103031

Can you blame the man for getting a bit snippy when people start making serious and entirely ridiculous accusations towards you?

>>103031

If someone were to come to my personal blog and start making accusations like that they're going over the railing like that bony hipster in the video clip upthread.

"Mind yuh own fuckin' bizniss."

>>103036
You really can't call it a personal blog if you make it public for anyone to read. If you closed it off to just friends, then it'd be personal.

That said, it's kinda rude to the guy when you say he can't talk to younger girls. Few things are more damaging to your sense of youth than being told you're too old to be talking to girls.

>>103045
Revision:
Few things are more damaging to your sense of youth, manhood and most importantly self-worth than being told that it's "disgusting" and "creepy" for you to be talking to girls.

>>103045
I'd guess the chick who started shit with him in the first place doesn't care about that, given her subtle snide little jab at him

>I know for some reason you have a lot of fans, and I’m sure that feels very nice for someone at your age. But your sex posts literally clutter my dash and make me lose even more hope for this fandom and it’s blind worship towards anyone even remotely related to this show, no matter how many misogynistic and disgusting posts you spew for people to lap up.

>>103048
I really wouldn't call that subtle in the least.

I wish people wouldn't use these sort of age-based insults. We're all gonna get there eventually and experience the same sort of pains and tribulations, regardless of gender. The alternative is so much worse after all.

>>103035
>>103036

I understand that he would be upset. But. See:
>>102909

There's more posts like that that I can remember. Take particular note of his reblogging of one of Rinaldi's posts.

Yeah, the SJ crowd opened a can of worms that wasn't even there. Unfortunately, instead of just calmly addressing and graciously closing the situation - Sifu Kisu kicked the can around which just provided ammunition for the SJ crowd.

Anyway, both sides imo acted like idiots. The SJ crowd more than Kisu imo.

There's another way to think about it: would YOU pass up the opportunity to get tumblr kiddies riled up over nothing just for the opportunity to pull the rug out from under their feet later? If it were me I don't think I would have been able to resist letting them shit all over themselves continuously for weeks before the reveal.

You know, for all their campaigning for equality for all and stuff, some of these social justice types seem like pretty horrible people themselves. I ran across one just today who actually said "Violence is the correct way to achieve racial equality" in as many words.

>>103182
That's why this thread exists, my friend.
Welcome to the party. Try the bocconcini.

>>103182
It was Amon. He uses Tumblr.

>>103185
I mean, just think about it. If these girls were around in the '60s, they wouldn't be marching on Washington for justice. No, they'd be lobbing bombs through politicians' windows, and I think they know it, too. As someone very interested in SANE social justice, it honestly kind of pisses me off.

>>103199
If they were around in the 60s they wouldn't have done jack shit because they are all just armchair activists. If they have to actually get up and do something to be involved in social justice they won't do it. Tumblr just makes it easy to air really stupid views 30 years ago you would have only heard when they were piss drunk and arguing politics at christmas dinner.

>>103200
Very true.

>>103182
>You know, for all their campaigning for equality for all and stuff, some of these social justice types seem like pretty horrible people themselves. I ran across one just today who actually said "Violence is the correct way to achieve racial equality" in as many words.

Yup. If you are dead set on creating oppression then random or systematic attacks on the people you claim are oppressing you and have the numbers/power to do so has a fair chance of working.

What was that? Oh you wanted to stop your oppression rather than give people and excuse for it?

There are some movements who take the angle of "The Worse The Better" insofar as that creates more mass support, but that is a negative sum game and guts any claim that equal rights is really a goal.

The Sifu Kisu thing is still not over. (Not surprise.)

http://sifu-kisu.tumblr.com/post/24461497008/fan-of-the-tv-show

I'll just be thankful that Kisu changed his Tumblr design to something a lot more readable.

I'm not being serious at all but what if all Air Nomads were airbenders because they would throw toddlers from flying ski bisons to see if the kids could airbend?

>mfw Riley's Crew are starting in on non-black people cosplaying as Korra

Frankly I was waiting for this with all the cons going on the past 2 weekends. Here we have a latina girl with olive skin doing makeup tests with her friend Tahno and his guyliner. I have skin like hers, I can get pasty as hell during winter but I tan hella easily in the Spring/Summer. I'll just link to a response from another PoC who sees through all the bullshit.

http://betachan.tumblr.com/post/24522213630/rebeloreo-himapapaftw-damnlayoffthebleach

>>103532

Whitewashing: picking a white actor to play a role in a film that should have gone to a black person as the character was based on a person who was black

Whitewashing: purposely altering the way a character or person is drawn to "tone down" ethnic features

Blackface (not whitewashing): picking a white actor to play a role in a film and then make them up to appear black, instead of simply getting a black actor to play the role

Not blackface or whitewashing: tanning to look good in a costume of a character you like

Also "everyone lighter than [this girl] should not be allowed to cosplay Korra" is dumb as shit not only because they are excluding most asian and native american people (which the cultures of the Avatar universe are based on) but because while this girl has a really good costume and looks great in it, she doesn't have the right skin tone either. Korra isn't this dark.

>Korra isn't this dark.

That kinda depends on the lighting, really. However, if you draw Korra surrounded by bright light that surrounds her and washes out her colors, you and the photons in your eyes are racist.</riley>

>>103532
Why do people pay attention to this asshole? Can anyone tell me?

>>103540
That's what bugs me so much about layoffthebleach. In theory, pointing out whitewashing isn't a BAD thing, but it would probably help your case if you were an artist or you were familiar with different kinds of lighting. I'm pretty sure the people who run that tumblr have admitted themselves that they are not artists nor are they familiar with lighting techniques. It REALLY annoyed me when people tried to argue with them about how lighting can change skin color, they just kept posting those two pictures of Korra as if those were the only two tones you're allowed to draw her in.

Pic related. Korra looks pretty damn white but it's not because the colorists are secret members of the Aryan Brotherhood, it's because they know their lighting. Mako also looks different from how he usually does.

>>103532
http://aicosu.tumblr.com/post/24498189152/my-korra-makeup
Non-tanned latinos get a lot of hate from the damnlayoffthebleach people, they feel like they're white people pretending to be pocs or something.

>>103580
Which proves those folks don't even know what the fuck they're talking about, because Latino refers to your country of origin and self-identity more than your genetic history. A pure African is just as Latino as a blond and blue-eyed Jew whose parents came from Germany, as long as they both consider themselves to be Latino. This argument reeks of "No True Scotsman"ism.

>>103581
Militant social justice bloggers being super judgemental along genetic lines? Color me surprised.

>>102611
Why does everyone say Toph has green eyes??? They look blue to me.

>>103595
Nah, they're green, albeit a light minty shade of green.

>>103581

Not just that, but Latinos in general come in literally every color and just about any ethnicity a human can be. We have ones decended from Europeans, Afro-Latinos, ones who were descended from natives, mixes of everybody in between, and I'm not sure if you can count The Philippines (though I do) but that means we can look Asian, too.

Shit, one of our most famous boxers, Canelo, is a total ginger.

Actually, that's kinda funny with me. I'm 100% Mexican. Grandparents literally born in Mexico to generations of Mexicans, parents born here (actually, I think my dad might have been born across, but I'm not sure right now.) I'm...pretty pale, though. I can tan, but I burn really easy. My dad's nickname was "guero" because of how light he came out. My aunt is light, too, but her <i>twin brother</i> is dark-skinned and once got mistaken for Pakistani.

By the by, that one tumblr still ranted about Toph being totally not Asian in there...or they moved onto some Orientalism thing, I honestly forget.

>>103580
It's funny because I have know a few Hispanic people that are super extremely pale but their facial structures, hair textures, and accents are all unmistakeably Hispanic. Hell, my best friend is the chola-est person ever, and she's like 3 shades lighter than me. And I'm extremely mayo.

>>103600
Speaking of Latino gingers I actually worked next to one from Mexico who had the whole package (freckles, pale skin, red hair). Everyone in his family was Mexican too, except (or maybe "including", not sure what they think of the whole thing) his Basque grandpa. And one of the managers was a Brazilian Jew who was very German in appearance and had a very blond and pale wife, but I don't think anybody who's ever met them in person would question their Latino-ness.

>>103606
On tumblr there is only "whitey" and "everybody else"

>>103580
>hispanics
>white people pretending to be pocs

Ooh! Colorism! My favourite! Being hispanic myself, and adverse to tanning because I like my untanned, un-burned skin thank you very much, I get this all time. On top of the "I can't tell if you're arab, asian, white, or something but very likely not white anyways."

I think it's one thing to call out when, let's say, film studios have a tendency to favour lighter-skinned folk, but it's idiotic to claim only a rigid view of what consitutes a certain race. It's basically telling someone they don't count as a minority, despite the fact they are not privy to majority privilege.

I fucking hate that cosplay, which is essentially non-Halloween fun dressup times, has such a bullshit community. AUGH I shouldn't have opened this thread.

>>103578
I remember that time when an actual artist went way out of his way to give an extremely detailed and interesting explanation of how we perceive colour and value and how to apply those concepts to lighting in paintings, and he used his own (clearly not white) face to demonstrate how bright light changes the value...

and the damnlayoffthebleach people said he was wrong and also a racist for defending a Whitewasher(tm)'s picture. Whatever credibility they still had burned to the ground right then.

http://chaobunny.tumblr.com/post/24576372868/wow-so-much-tension-on-my-dash-about-that-cosplay
Glad to see there's still some people free from the tumblr sheep mentality.

>user otaku-sex-beast, a black woman posts that calling white people racist for cosplaying as Korra is bullshit
>Riley's followers start in on user, saying her opinion doesn't matter because she is white
>user antisteller, a black man, joins the reblog chain agreeing with OP and generally says that everyone's flipping their shit over nothing
>is told "You need to leave. Your opinion does not matter. It’s not even relevant. Please go jump in some fucking traffic and stay there." Again assuming he is white.
>user nahchillhomebro, a black man, posts this http://nahchillhomebro.tumblr.com/post/24646372297/blackivists-on-tumblr-got-the-life-game-fucked-up
>damnlayoffthebleach instantly calls them 'an anti-black racist bitch'

I'm seeing a pattern here...

In conclusion otaku-sex-beast wonders aloud why black people are taking such strong ownership of Korra when she's derived from Inuits and no Inuits are complaining about aicosu cosplaying as Korra http://otaku-sex-beast.tumblr.com/post/24653115199

Here's the OP that kicked off today's shitstorm if you feel like digging through this mess. http://otaku-sex-beast.tumblr.com/post/24644064139

Why are these shitstorms only popping up in regards to Korra?

Is it because she's the main hero where Katara was just a party member or something?

While we're on the subject, why isn't anyone throwing a fit over non-Chinese guys cosplaying Bolin, or Mako, or any other character in the entire series?

It's kinda of amazing, given how much competition it has, but Tumblr may honestly be the single worst thing on the internet.

Yes, even worse than /b/.

>>103676
At least /b/ understands what they are, They are very upfront about being racist childish scum.

>>103676
Eh, calling it the worst thing on the internet is probably too extreme, considering there's a lot of good stuff on tumblr too. You could say, however, the social justice circle on tumblr is the worst place on the internet.

>>103675
If you desire a serious answer it's because some black people appropriated Korra as "one of them" because she's within the spectrum of not-white, logic be fucking damned as to what culture she belongs to and which ones it corresponds to in real life. Once that happened, they had to defend their idiocy because it's all they have.

>>103680
No, it's because Riley and the people behind damnlayoffthebleach are extremely successful trolls in that they can instigate huge, messy fights between people who would normally be pretty ok with each other without fail. Tumblr culture's social awareness and the Avatar fandom's racebending thing created kind of a perfect storm which allows them to keep existing and keep raking in the tears.

I mean for gods sakes they don't even like LOK. They were the ones mouthing off about Korra being a "white saviour" after the first episodes were leaked. They're only here to make people mad.

They are not trolls in the sense that what they are doing is facetious, though. I don't doubt at all that this shit is what DLOTB actually believes.

>>103681
Plus the people who jump into discussions started by DLOTB are more or less being affected by mob mentality, I think. And the desire to be seen as champions of justice, which you don't become if you defend "racists" or ignore arguments of that sort when you see it.

>They were the ones mouthing off about Korra being a "white saviour" after the first episodes were leaked.

I nearly forgot about that. What a stupid 180 she did.

>>103681
>They are not trolls in the sense that what they are doing is facetious, though. I don't doubt at all that this shit is what DLOTB actually believes.
That is very important. Thanks for noting the distinction.

>>103676
Nah, for how annoying these tumblr types are, at least they SAY they're fighting for a cause (though I have no doubt that they'd rather stay home and watch TV than ACTUALLY fight for a cause). They could definitely be worse.

They could be news-website commenters.

>>103687
>They could be news-website commenters.

You could write a book called "Losing Faith in Humanity" just by scraping news website comments. They really are that bad.

Petty AND Stupid.

Skimming past this thread the last few days I thought it was "damn lay off the beach".

Now that I've spotted my mistake... I'm going to pretend I didn't.

>>103674
A lot of these so called pocs on tumblr are just bored white people pretending to be something they aren't.
http://meravie.tumblr.com/post/22317301131/only-on-tumblr
Which is sad and pathetic.

Riley is pretending to be black but at least she's actually a woman of color.

>>103697
Pretending to be something you aren't is still pathetic, especially when you get on a high horse about your fake identity

Not related to damnlayoffthebleach bullshit but it is related to moronic fans.

Even the creators are annoyed by fans who scream troll every time something happens in Avatar. omg theres romance in this show i like?? between characters who are SO MUCH BETTER with other people?? omg bryke u trolls ur just doing this 2 spite me

>>103746
I don't think there's as much malice in there as people think, unless they've been getting death threats from the fans again.

>>103746
Yeah, the fans have really started abusing it. It was funny when they were dubbed trolls for specifically baiting the Zutarans at the con. But the story not going the way you want is not trolling. The story not going the way you want and then the creators making fun of you for it is trolling.

>>103746
>>103753
Yeah, people definitely overapply the "troll" label way too much, ESPECIALLY on Tumblr.

I love it when people are tumblr are butthurt that Korra isn't their personal social justice commentary vehicle and think that Korra can solve this situation by "sitting down and talking with Amon" instead of fighting.

Yeah I'm sure Amon had a real heart to heart with that squadron of metalbending police officers after he stripped them of their bending and kidnapped them about how they were abusing their 'bender privilege' to ENFORCE THE LAW.

http://puzzlegirlsandpoprocks.tumblr.com/post/24835590716

>I adore Amon because everything he is saying is right. He’s right that the benders have special place in society because the 100 year war was started by and fought by benders. Non benders were oppressed long before republic city.

>I just wish the show didn’t make him out to be this evil leader. He’s taking bending away, blowing up stuff and really making a mess of things. For people my age, I can understand that’s he’s not evil but for kids things aren’t that easy for them to understand. They’ll actually hate Amon and side with benders even though you really should side with the non benders.

>The only way they can really save the Amon plot for me like you said IS for Korra to actually sit down with him. Not fighting, all she does is fight. You can’t listen to someone when you are fighting. She actually needs to be the diplomatic and not just the fighter.

Oh look...

>I'm a mod of Korraisnottan

Shocker.

>>104142

You have no overjoyed I was to hear her say "Let's knock some heads; they'll never know what hit 'em" in the promo for the finale; like fucking finally she's just going to unapologetically KICK FUCKING ASS until it's got a boot mark on it like she should've been since episode 3.

>>104142
>For people my age, I can understand that’s he’s not evil
I actually laughed in front of my monitor.

Amon's peaceful thoughts on bending, literal quote from the trailer (he also said the same thing in episode six).
>"you will now be cleansed of your impurity"
Yep, sounds like a reasonable and totally not evil guy.

How in the fucking hell can someone who's supposedly a supporter of "Social Justice" look at someone who's platform is "I hate and despise you because of how you were born, and think I have the right to alter what makes you you" and think that MAKES HIM THE FUCKING GOOD GUY!

It would be one thing if Amon was doling out this kind of punishment to benders that abuse their power, but he wants to do it to ALL BENDERS, regardless of abuse or not. Again, he's actively campaigning that those born "different" are an abomination and need to be cleansed... HELLO!!!

Can these abominable dumbfucks not see that they're supporting a agenda that's actively in opposition of their own by championing someone like Amon!!!

I mean... it's just... FUCK!!!!!

>>104151
http://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/0020122

>>104152

So what I gather is, they side with Amon because they have no personal code and feel bitter or persecuted, and have latched onto movements in place of that?

In which case, Amon's words chime with this string of persecution, and thus vindicate him in their eyes, despite his apparently contrary philosophical viewpoint.

But as they do not have their own viewpoint, this hardly matters.

I can dig it.

>>104155

>>104156
That gif is fucking hypnotizing.

>>104151

My guess would be that they simply see bending as transferring an inherent privilege to a person. Doesn't matter if that person, for instance, never trained to use their waterbending, or that their waterbending is of no useful application to their chosen profession. It's a form of privilege that non-benders can never potentially have access to. So it's inherently bad. Period.

And Amon can take it away non-lethally.

Additionally, sometimes added is the argument that bending isn't inherent to a person. To these people, taking away someone's bending isn't the same as chopping off a limb. Because bending is a "special" power, the bender is just being brought down to the normal standards of non-benders. To them, it's as simple as taking a gun away from someone.

I've seen people I otherwise find quite reasonable and astute in the fandom make these arguments to me. One even disagreed with Amon's goal to grab power for himself but otherwise approved of his violent means as a sad necessity to creating a fair society in Republic City.

It's not terribly different from what I sometimes see for people who rooted for the Fire Nation in the original series, arguing that their imperialistic war and various genocides was a valid price to pay for Sozin's self-proclaimed cause of bringing industrialization and wealth to the rest of the world. If you hold an ideal highly, it's quite easy to trample over the faces of innocent people to attain it, especially when you think they deserve it.

You know, I just realized something.

These girls would probably get along really well with Karen Traviss.

>>104151
Because these are the same people who feel that equality doesn't mean race, religion, gender and sexuality are now ignored or treated on even grounds. Equality has been argued as something akin to vengeance or retribution, bringing those who are perceived to be privileged down to the level of prejudice and discrimination experienced by the minority.

I need to stop looking at tumblr. It is a becoming a guilty pleasure to read the train wrecks that are these SJ blogs.

>>104162
Like I said earlier, they'd probably prefer it if everyone was a featureless gray blob.

>>104163
they would not as they have no true goal in mind

they would probably hate the gray blob scenario more than anything because it means they no longer have anything to argue or be bitter about, and thus they have no purpose in their empty lives anymore

>>104163
They're a variation on the self-hating scum who inhabit /r9k/. They see someone who isn't as shitty as they are and insist that they be destroyed; whereas /r9k/ being mostly non-confrontational asserts that anyone different from themselves simply does not exist. Either way they would be happier to do away with all of the uniquities of mankind that constantly remind them of their shortcomings than abide them or develop any in themselves. Fuck 'em.

>>104163
I'm not sure. On one hand I agree because (using words I think they'd use) any difference in a person causes a difference in privileges, and an ideal world would eliminate such disparities. On the other hand, I see a HUGE separatist idealism. e.g., Only people of group X are allowed to discuss the moral implications of Act A or Issue B because nobody else has experienced our oppression from these. It seems like it would be hard to argue for sameness if suddenly everybody had a "right" to talk about the issues you want to discuss.

I really, really hope these people grow up and learn that this anger isn't worth the time and energy. I get the need for continued improvement in society, but hating on other people for inherent differences, positive or negative, is just stupid and detrimental to one's own mental and emotional health.

>>104159
>To these people, taking away someone's bending isn't the same as chopping off a limb.
Then how about multilating a singer's vocal cords, or scarring a sprinter's legs?

>>104173
>>Then how about multilating a singer's vocal cords, or scarring a sprinter's legs?

Usually, it's turtles all the way down, declaring that bending isn't comparable to any real world talent/ability/whathaveyou. Other times it's played off by just stating that former benders will have to learn other skills and accept they compete on an "equal" playing field with non-bender now.

Equality only works when you try to elevate people to the same level.

>>104142
>>104175
How stupid can they be? Wow.

>>104159
>To them, it's as simple as taking a gun away from someone.
They don't believe in the right to bear arms either, how expected.

>>104190
Fascists generally are not intelligent.

>>104173

Lets not get into this, as the two really aren't comparable. I always feel a lot of people miss the point when it comes to this bit of the argument.

>>104202
What these morons apparently didn't pick up on is that according to Konietzko the Avatar world's god everybody actually is the same in terms of potential ability to bend; some of them just suck at it; meaning Amon's mission is not only completely futile but idiotic and wrong-headed on its face. He'd have to exterminate humanity itself for there to stop being benders. Maybe he IS a spirit after all.

>>104202

There isn't a proper comparison, but at least in A:TLA, bending was a sign of hope, a mark of one's culture and an integral part of society. Taking away a community's benders was basically cultural genocide and a major destructive force to morale of the entire group. Maybe it's closer to cutting off a top-knot or something more culturally based, but it still doesn't have the same impact.

Point is, A:tLA established bending as something important to the spirit and culture of the four nations, to have LoK try to turn bending into something that's the direct analogue/equivalent of racial or class privilege not only makes no sense, it's contradictory to the previous series.

>>104207
It starts to get that way when you have a place with a new culture based more on business than bending. Factions develop independent of the nations based on who has what abilities, and old boys clubs develop naturally from there.

Ding-dong.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/2012/pretending-youre-oppressed-the-new-internet-fad-2/